Re: Wasting our Freedom
hmm, on Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 08:56:47AM -0400, Theodore Tso said that > On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 06:29:48AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: > > Now if they'd fix the copyright message to only mention Reyk all would > > be good. > > It *does* mention Reyk, if you would bother to look. The thing which the keyword is `only'. only = him and noone else (at the moment) > Theo is kvetching about, and which apparently is enough to cause the > *BSD zombies to start attacking without actually _checking_ _for_ > _themselves_ is whether or not Jiri and Nick did enough to work so > they should have their names listed in the headers. In other words, are you publicly stating that you have checked, and found the amount of work done justifying a (c) addition of not even one but 2 persons? > all of the megabytes and megabhytes of flamewar is over these two > lines: > > > * Copyright (c) 2006-2007 Nick Kossifidis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > * Copyright (c) 2007 Jiri Slaby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Petty, isn't it? Let's just say it's b.s. like this which is why, 16 > years ago, I decided to work with Linux instead of BSD. so you don't mind if a couple of us go around adding say 10 lines of code to files you authored, and then put our copyrights under your name? good! i am glad to hear that. a bit of additional "undeserved credit" is always welcome anyway. would look good in my cv. it is not just a bit of undeserved credit. the (c) owners will be asked in the future regarding any legal aspects of the files they hold copyrights to. i don't think those 2 gentlemen have earned that yet. -f -- dum spiro spero -- as long as i breathe i hope - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Wasting our Freedom
hmm, on Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 05:08:46AM -0700, David Schwartz said that > > As said above, the accusations, if you read them correctly, were not > > wrong, but spot on right. Unless someone proves that dual-licensing as > > in "you may follow terms A or terms B at your choice" implicitly implies > > being allowed to remove A altogether should you choose B. > > You are confusing licenses with license notices. The GPL says you must keep > GPL license notices intact. Otherwise, it gives you complete freedom to > modify. This means that if you choose the GPL, you gain (from the GPL) the > right to remove the BSD license *NOTICE*. > > This has no effect on anyone's substantive rights though. Removing license > notices has no effect on actual licenses. but how do i know i have a bsd licensed file if the license notice has been removed from it? i know copyright applies to a file which has no (c) line in it, because it's implicit. but licenses are not implicit, are they? -f -- treat each day as your last, one day you will be right. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Wasting our Freedom
hmm, on Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 05:08:46AM -0700, David Schwartz said that As said above, the accusations, if you read them correctly, were not wrong, but spot on right. Unless someone proves that dual-licensing as in you may follow terms A or terms B at your choice implicitly implies being allowed to remove A altogether should you choose B. You are confusing licenses with license notices. The GPL says you must keep GPL license notices intact. Otherwise, it gives you complete freedom to modify. This means that if you choose the GPL, you gain (from the GPL) the right to remove the BSD license *NOTICE*. This has no effect on anyone's substantive rights though. Removing license notices has no effect on actual licenses. but how do i know i have a bsd licensed file if the license notice has been removed from it? i know copyright applies to a file which has no (c) line in it, because it's implicit. but licenses are not implicit, are they? -f -- treat each day as your last, one day you will be right. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Wasting our Freedom
hmm, on Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 08:56:47AM -0400, Theodore Tso said that On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 06:29:48AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: Now if they'd fix the copyright message to only mention Reyk all would be good. It *does* mention Reyk, if you would bother to look. The thing which the keyword is `only'. only = him and noone else (at the moment) Theo is kvetching about, and which apparently is enough to cause the *BSD zombies to start attacking without actually _checking_ _for_ _themselves_ is whether or not Jiri and Nick did enough to work so they should have their names listed in the headers. In other words, are you publicly stating that you have checked, and found the amount of work done justifying a (c) addition of not even one but 2 persons? all of the megabytes and megabhytes of flamewar is over these two lines: * Copyright (c) 2006-2007 Nick Kossifidis [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Copyright (c) 2007 Jiri Slaby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Petty, isn't it? Let's just say it's b.s. like this which is why, 16 years ago, I decided to work with Linux instead of BSD. so you don't mind if a couple of us go around adding say 10 lines of code to files you authored, and then put our copyrights under your name? good! i am glad to hear that. a bit of additional undeserved credit is always welcome anyway. would look good in my cv. it is not just a bit of undeserved credit. the (c) owners will be asked in the future regarding any legal aspects of the files they hold copyrights to. i don't think those 2 gentlemen have earned that yet. -f -- dum spiro spero -- as long as i breathe i hope - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
