Re: [Slightly OT] x86 PROM project
On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Erik Mouw wrote: > Have a look at OpenBIOS: > > http://www.freiburg.linux.de/OpenBIOS/ > > The project wants to create an IEEE 1275-1994 compliant firmware, like > used by SUN (for example). I'd like to see something like SRM; but with better support. (SRM is the 'BIOS' for alphas, BTW). - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Slightly OT] x86 PROM project
Because the original question was: "I've been tossing the idea around in my head for a while, and after I got my first SGI I realized that something like this would be fairly useful. Basically, I'm wondering if anybody is already doing something like this (not linuxBIOS, though the code for that could be a useful base). Thanks." Note the _not_ linuxBIOS part. If memory serves, you said... > On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 02:02:38PM -0600, Matthew Fredrickson wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 08:08:32PM +0100, Erik Mouw wrote: > > > Have a look at OpenBIOS: > > > > > > http://www.freiburg.linux.de/OpenBIOS/ > > > > > > The project wants to create an IEEE 1275-1994 compliant firmware, like > > > used by SUN (for example). > > > > I don't want to appear to be offensive in regards to this project > > considering I have no prior knowledge about it other than what I've seen > > at the web site just now, but it appears that there is a lot more talk > > than coding occuring at this project. > > Ok, so what about this one? > > http://www.acl.lanl.gov/linuxbios/ > > The code is on sourceforge. > >Michal > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > Khyron mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Key fingerprint = 53BB 08CA 6A4B 8AF8 DF9B 7E71 2D20 AD30 6684 E82D "Drama free in 2001!" - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Slightly OT] x86 PROM project
http://playground.sun.com/1275/ http://www.firmworks.com/ If memory serves, you said... > What does everybody think of the idea of trying to write a RISC PROM-like > BIOS for the x86 architecture? > > I've been tossing the idea around in my head for a while, and after I got > my first SGI I realized that something like this would be fairly useful. > Basically, I'm wondering if anybody is already doing something like this > (not linuxBIOS, though the code for that could be a useful base). Thanks. > > > Matthew Fredrickson > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > Khyron mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Key fingerprint = 53BB 08CA 6A4B 8AF8 DF9B 7E71 2D20 AD30 6684 E82D "Drama free in 2001!" - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Slightly OT] x86 PROM project
> >What does everybody think of the idea of trying to write a RISC PROM-like >BIOS for the x86 architecture? > >I've been tossing the idea around in my head for a while, and after I got >my first SGI I realized that something like this would be fairly useful. >Basically, I'm wondering if anybody is already doing something like this >(not linuxBIOS, though the code for that could be a useful >base). Thanks. Where this is on topic is in comp.lang.forth, since Open Firmware is a Forth. One of the c.l.f elders recently said he was going to wander off for a while and come back with what he could find out about this. I've copied a post or two on this subject to c.l.f since then. Related stuff; the FreeBSD bootloader is a Forth based on FICL, which is a Forth geared to be embedded in apps. In the hour or two I looked at that I couldn't get my bearings in the FBSD sources. I believe Open Firmware is bytecodes, and O.F. cards have actual drivers on them an O.F. host can request and thread into the O.F. dictionary (compile, in other words.) Most Forths are not bytecodes. Most Forths are address-threaded, or subroutine threaded, i.e. native code but implementing a true 2-stack virtual machine, or true 2-stack silicon. This is quite unlike Java, for example, which has Forth-like stack operators that are returnstack-frame-scoped, i.e. aren't an autonomous second stack. Rick Hohensee www.clienux.com My 3-stack machine and other oddities are in ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/install/clienux/interim - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Slightly OT] x86 PROM project
On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 02:02:38PM -0600, Matthew Fredrickson wrote: > On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 08:08:32PM +0100, Erik Mouw wrote: > > Have a look at OpenBIOS: > > > > http://www.freiburg.linux.de/OpenBIOS/ > > > > The project wants to create an IEEE 1275-1994 compliant firmware, like > > used by SUN (for example). > > I don't want to appear to be offensive in regards to this project > considering I have no prior knowledge about it other than what I've seen > at the web site just now, but it appears that there is a lot more talk > than coding occuring at this project. Ok, so what about this one? http://www.acl.lanl.gov/linuxbios/ The code is on sourceforge. Michal - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Slightly OT] x86 PROM project
On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 08:08:32PM +0100, Erik Mouw wrote: > Have a look at OpenBIOS: > > http://www.freiburg.linux.de/OpenBIOS/ > > The project wants to create an IEEE 1275-1994 compliant firmware, like > used by SUN (for example). I don't want to appear to be offensive in regards to this project considering I have no prior knowledge about it other than what I've seen at the web site just now, but it appears that there is a lot more talk than coding occuring at this project. It just appears that everybody has wants but nobody is turning the wants into realities. Maybe I'm wrong (and I hope I am), but it just seems to be a bit vaporous. > [who likes SUN firmware even more than SGI firmware] [I was just using SGI as an example] Matthew Fredrickson - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Slightly OT] x86 PROM project
On Sunday 04 March 2001 19:08, Erik Mouw wrote: > On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 12:29:47PM -0600, Matthew Fredrickson wrote: > > What does everybody think of the idea of trying to write a RISC PROM-like > > BIOS for the x86 architecture? > > > > I've been tossing the idea around in my head for a while, and after I got > > my first SGI I realized that something like this would be fairly useful. > > Basically, I'm wondering if anybody is already doing something like this > > (not linuxBIOS, though the code for that could be a useful base). > > Thanks. > > Have a look at OpenBIOS: > > http://www.freiburg.linux.de/OpenBIOS/ > > The project wants to create an IEEE 1275-1994 compliant firmware, like > used by SUN (for example). > > > Erik > [who likes SUN firmware even more than SGI firmware] How can I install openbios ? also, can I use it in x86 PC? and is it better than my award BIOS? last question, is it support windows if I want to change to windows again? M$ one I mean - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Slightly OT] x86 PROM project
On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Erik Mouw wrote: > On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 12:29:47PM -0600, Matthew Fredrickson wrote: > > What does everybody think of the idea of trying to write a RISC PROM-like > > BIOS for the x86 architecture? > > > > I've been tossing the idea around in my head for a while, and after I got > > my first SGI I realized that something like this would be fairly useful. > > Basically, I'm wondering if anybody is already doing something like this > > (not linuxBIOS, though the code for that could be a useful base). Thanks. > > Have a look at OpenBIOS: > > http://www.freiburg.linux.de/OpenBIOS/ > > The project wants to create an IEEE 1275-1994 compliant firmware, like > used by SUN (for example). > and apple && ibm > - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Slightly OT] x86 PROM project
On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 12:29:47PM -0600, Matthew Fredrickson wrote: > What does everybody think of the idea of trying to write a RISC PROM-like > BIOS for the x86 architecture? > > I've been tossing the idea around in my head for a while, and after I got > my first SGI I realized that something like this would be fairly useful. > Basically, I'm wondering if anybody is already doing something like this > (not linuxBIOS, though the code for that could be a useful base). Thanks. Have a look at OpenBIOS: http://www.freiburg.linux.de/OpenBIOS/ The project wants to create an IEEE 1275-1994 compliant firmware, like used by SUN (for example). Erik [who likes SUN firmware even more than SGI firmware] -- J.A.K. (Erik) Mouw, Information and Communication Theory Group, Department of Electrical Engineering, Faculty of Information Technology and Systems, Delft University of Technology, PO BOX 5031, 2600 GA Delft, The Netherlands Phone: +31-15-2783635 Fax: +31-15-2781843 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www-ict.its.tudelft.nl/~erik/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
[Slightly OT] x86 PROM project
What does everybody think of the idea of trying to write a RISC PROM-like BIOS for the x86 architecture? I've been tossing the idea around in my head for a while, and after I got my first SGI I realized that something like this would be fairly useful. Basically, I'm wondering if anybody is already doing something like this (not linuxBIOS, though the code for that could be a useful base). Thanks. Matthew Fredrickson - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
[Slightly OT] x86 PROM project
What does everybody think of the idea of trying to write a RISC PROM-like BIOS for the x86 architecture? I've been tossing the idea around in my head for a while, and after I got my first SGI I realized that something like this would be fairly useful. Basically, I'm wondering if anybody is already doing something like this (not linuxBIOS, though the code for that could be a useful base). Thanks. Matthew Fredrickson - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Slightly OT] x86 PROM project
On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 12:29:47PM -0600, Matthew Fredrickson wrote: What does everybody think of the idea of trying to write a RISC PROM-like BIOS for the x86 architecture? I've been tossing the idea around in my head for a while, and after I got my first SGI I realized that something like this would be fairly useful. Basically, I'm wondering if anybody is already doing something like this (not linuxBIOS, though the code for that could be a useful base). Thanks. Have a look at OpenBIOS: http://www.freiburg.linux.de/OpenBIOS/ The project wants to create an IEEE 1275-1994 compliant firmware, like used by SUN (for example). Erik [who likes SUN firmware even more than SGI firmware] -- J.A.K. (Erik) Mouw, Information and Communication Theory Group, Department of Electrical Engineering, Faculty of Information Technology and Systems, Delft University of Technology, PO BOX 5031, 2600 GA Delft, The Netherlands Phone: +31-15-2783635 Fax: +31-15-2781843 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www-ict.its.tudelft.nl/~erik/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Slightly OT] x86 PROM project
On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Erik Mouw wrote: On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 12:29:47PM -0600, Matthew Fredrickson wrote: What does everybody think of the idea of trying to write a RISC PROM-like BIOS for the x86 architecture? I've been tossing the idea around in my head for a while, and after I got my first SGI I realized that something like this would be fairly useful. Basically, I'm wondering if anybody is already doing something like this (not linuxBIOS, though the code for that could be a useful base). Thanks. Have a look at OpenBIOS: http://www.freiburg.linux.de/OpenBIOS/ The project wants to create an IEEE 1275-1994 compliant firmware, like used by SUN (for example). and apple ibm - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Slightly OT] x86 PROM project
On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 08:08:32PM +0100, Erik Mouw wrote: Have a look at OpenBIOS: http://www.freiburg.linux.de/OpenBIOS/ The project wants to create an IEEE 1275-1994 compliant firmware, like used by SUN (for example). I don't want to appear to be offensive in regards to this project considering I have no prior knowledge about it other than what I've seen at the web site just now, but it appears that there is a lot more talk than coding occuring at this project. It just appears that everybody has wants but nobody is turning the wants into realities. Maybe I'm wrong (and I hope I am), but it just seems to be a bit vaporous. [who likes SUN firmware even more than SGI firmware] [I was just using SGI as an example] Matthew Fredrickson - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Slightly OT] x86 PROM project
On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 02:02:38PM -0600, Matthew Fredrickson wrote: On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 08:08:32PM +0100, Erik Mouw wrote: Have a look at OpenBIOS: http://www.freiburg.linux.de/OpenBIOS/ The project wants to create an IEEE 1275-1994 compliant firmware, like used by SUN (for example). I don't want to appear to be offensive in regards to this project considering I have no prior knowledge about it other than what I've seen at the web site just now, but it appears that there is a lot more talk than coding occuring at this project. Ok, so what about this one? http://www.acl.lanl.gov/linuxbios/ The code is on sourceforge. Michal - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Slightly OT] x86 PROM project
What does everybody think of the idea of trying to write a RISC PROM-like BIOS for the x86 architecture? I've been tossing the idea around in my head for a while, and after I got my first SGI I realized that something like this would be fairly useful. Basically, I'm wondering if anybody is already doing something like this (not linuxBIOS, though the code for that could be a useful base). Thanks. Where this is on topic is in comp.lang.forth, since Open Firmware is a Forth. One of the c.l.f elders recently said he was going to wander off for a while and come back with what he could find out about this. I've copied a post or two on this subject to c.l.f since then. Related stuff; the FreeBSD bootloader is a Forth based on FICL, which is a Forth geared to be embedded in apps. In the hour or two I looked at that I couldn't get my bearings in the FBSD sources. I believe Open Firmware is bytecodes, and O.F. cards have actual drivers on them an O.F. host can request and thread into the O.F. dictionary (compile, in other words.) Most Forths are not bytecodes. Most Forths are address-threaded, or subroutine threaded, i.e. native code but implementing a true 2-stack virtual machine, or true 2-stack silicon. This is quite unlike Java, for example, which has Forth-like stack operators that are returnstack-frame-scoped, i.e. aren't an autonomous second stack. Rick Hohensee www.clienux.com My 3-stack machine and other oddities are in ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/install/clienux/interim - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Slightly OT] x86 PROM project
http://playground.sun.com/1275/ http://www.firmworks.com/ If memory serves, you said... What does everybody think of the idea of trying to write a RISC PROM-like BIOS for the x86 architecture? I've been tossing the idea around in my head for a while, and after I got my first SGI I realized that something like this would be fairly useful. Basically, I'm wondering if anybody is already doing something like this (not linuxBIOS, though the code for that could be a useful base). Thanks. Matthew Fredrickson - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ Khyron mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Key fingerprint = 53BB 08CA 6A4B 8AF8 DF9B 7E71 2D20 AD30 6684 E82D "Drama free in 2001!" - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Slightly OT] x86 PROM project
Because the original question was: "I've been tossing the idea around in my head for a while, and after I got my first SGI I realized that something like this would be fairly useful. Basically, I'm wondering if anybody is already doing something like this (not linuxBIOS, though the code for that could be a useful base). Thanks." Note the _not_ linuxBIOS part. If memory serves, you said... On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 02:02:38PM -0600, Matthew Fredrickson wrote: On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 08:08:32PM +0100, Erik Mouw wrote: Have a look at OpenBIOS: http://www.freiburg.linux.de/OpenBIOS/ The project wants to create an IEEE 1275-1994 compliant firmware, like used by SUN (for example). I don't want to appear to be offensive in regards to this project considering I have no prior knowledge about it other than what I've seen at the web site just now, but it appears that there is a lot more talk than coding occuring at this project. Ok, so what about this one? http://www.acl.lanl.gov/linuxbios/ The code is on sourceforge. Michal - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ Khyron mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Key fingerprint = 53BB 08CA 6A4B 8AF8 DF9B 7E71 2D20 AD30 6684 E82D "Drama free in 2001!" - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [Slightly OT] x86 PROM project
On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Erik Mouw wrote: Have a look at OpenBIOS: http://www.freiburg.linux.de/OpenBIOS/ The project wants to create an IEEE 1275-1994 compliant firmware, like used by SUN (for example). I'd like to see something like SRM; but with better support. (SRM is the 'BIOS' for alphas, BTW). - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
