Re: [External] Re: Basics : Memory Configuration
From: Christopher Lameter Sent: 09 April 2019 21:31 To: Pankaj Suryawanshi Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; linux...@kvack.org Subject: [External] Re: Basics : Memory Configuration On Tue, 9 Apr 2019, Pankaj Suryawanshi wrote: > I am confuse about memory configuration and I have below questions Hmmm... Yes some of the terminology that you use is a bit confusing. > 1. if 32-bit os maximum virtual address is 4GB, When i have 4 gb of ram > for 32-bit os, What about the virtual memory size ? is it required > virtual memory(disk space) or we can directly use physical memory ? The virtual memory size is the maximum virtual size of a single process. Multiple processes can run and each can use different amounts of physical memory. So both are actually independent. Okay Got it. The size of the virtual memory space per process is configurable on x86 32 bit (2G, 3G, 4G). Thus the possible virtual process size may vary depending on the hardware architecture and the configuration of the kernel. Another Questions - - Q. If i configures VMSPLIT = 2G/2G what does it mean ? - Q. Disk Space is used by Virtual Memory ? If this is true, than without secondary storage there is no virtual memory ? let say for 32-bit os i have 4GB ram than what is the use case of virtual memory ? > 2. In 32-bit os 12 bits are offset because page size=4k i.e 2^12 and > 2^20 for page addresses >What about 64-bit os, What is offset size ? What is page size ? How it > calculated. 12 bits are passed through? Thats what you mean? The remainder of the bits are used to lookup the physical frame number(PFN) in the page tables. 64 bit is the same. However, the number of bits used for lookups in the page tables are much higher. - Q. for 32-bit os page size is 4k, what is the page size for 64-bit os ? page size and offset is related to each other ? - Q. if i increase the page size from 4k to 8k, does it change the offset size that it 2^12 to 2^13 ? - Q. Why only 48 bits are used in 64-bit os ? > 3. What is PAE? If enabled how to decide size of PAE, what is maximum > and minimum size of extended memory. PAE increases the physical memory size that can be addressed through a page table lookup. The number of bits that can be specified in the PFN is increased and thus more than 4GB of physical memory can be used by the operating system. However, the virtual memory size stays the same and an individual process still cannot use more memory. - Q. Let say i enabled PAE for 32-bit os with 6GB ram.Virtual size is same 4GB, 32-bit os cant address more thatn 4gb, Than what is the use of 6GB with PAE enabled. * eInfochips Business Disclaimer: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and please delete it from your computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender unless otherwise stated. Company has taken enough precautions to prevent the spread of viruses. However the company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. *
Re: [External] Re: Basics : Memory Configuration
Please respond to my comments in the way that everyone else communicates here. I cannot distinguish what you said from what I said before.
Re: [External] Re: Basics : Memory Configuration
From: Christopher Lameter Sent: 09 April 2019 21:31 To: Pankaj Suryawanshi Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; linux...@kvack.org Subject: [External] Re: Basics : Memory Configuration On Tue, 9 Apr 2019, Pankaj Suryawanshi wrote: > I am confuse about memory configuration and I have below questions Hmmm... Yes some of the terminology that you use is a bit confusing. > 1. if 32-bit os maximum virtual address is 4GB, When i have 4 gb of ram > for 32-bit os, What about the virtual memory size ? is it required > virtual memory(disk space) or we can directly use physical memory ? The virtual memory size is the maximum virtual size of a single process. Multiple processes can run and each can use different amounts of physical memory. So both are actually independent. The size of the virtual memory space per process is configurable on x86 32 bit (2G, 3G, 4G). Thus the possible virtual process size may vary depending on the hardware architecture and the configuration of the kernel. If i have configures VMSPLIT = 2G/2G what does it mean ? Virtual memory uses disk space ? let say for 32-bit os i have 4GB ram than what is the use case of virtual memory ? If i have 32-bit and 2gb/3gb ram than virtual memory is useful because its less than 4GB ? > 2. In 32-bit os 12 bits are offset because page size=4k i.e 2^12 and > 2^20 for page addresses >What about 64-bit os, What is offset size ? What is page size ? How it > calculated. 12 bits are passed through? Thats what you mean? The remainder of the bits are used to lookup the physical frame number(PFN) in the page tables. 64 bit is the same. However, the number of bits used for lookups in the page tables are much higher. for 32-bit os page size is 4k, what is the page size for 64-bit os ? page size and offset is related to each other ? if i increase the page size from 4k to 8k, does it change the offset size that it 2^12 to 2^13 ? Why only 48 bits are used in 64-bit os ? > 3. What is PAE? If enabled how to decide size of PAE, what is maximum > and minimum size of extended memory. PAE increases the physical memory size that can be addressed through a page table lookup. The number of bits that can be specified in the PFN is increased and thus more than 4GB of physical memory can be used by the operating system. However, the virtual memory size stays the same and an individual process still cannot use more memory. Let say i have ,enabled PAE for 32-bit os with 6GB ram.Virtual size is same 4GB, 32-bit os cant address more thatn 4gb, Than what is the use of 6GB with PAE enabled. * eInfochips Business Disclaimer: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and please delete it from your computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender unless otherwise stated. Company has taken enough precautions to prevent the spread of viruses. However the company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. *
Re: Basics : Memory Configuration
On Tue, 9 Apr 2019, Pankaj Suryawanshi wrote: > I am confuse about memory configuration and I have below questions Hmmm... Yes some of the terminology that you use is a bit confusing. > 1. if 32-bit os maximum virtual address is 4GB, When i have 4 gb of ram > for 32-bit os, What about the virtual memory size ? is it required > virtual memory(disk space) or we can directly use physical memory ? The virtual memory size is the maximum virtual size of a single process. Multiple processes can run and each can use different amounts of physical memory. So both are actually independent. The size of the virtual memory space per process is configurable on x86 32 bit (2G, 3G, 4G). Thus the possible virtual process size may vary depending on the hardware architecture and the configuration of the kernel. > 2. In 32-bit os 12 bits are offset because page size=4k i.e 2^12 and > 2^20 for page addresses >What about 64-bit os, What is offset size ? What is page size ? How it > calculated. 12 bits are passed through? Thats what you mean? The remainder of the bits are used to lookup the physical frame number(PFN) in the page tables. 64 bit is the same. However, the number of bits used for lookups in the page tables are much higher. > 3. What is PAE? If enabled how to decide size of PAE, what is maximum > and minimum size of extended memory. PAE increases the physical memory size that can be addressed through a page table lookup. The number of bits that can be specified in the PFN is increased and thus more than 4GB of physical memory can be used by the operating system. However, the virtual memory size stays the same and an individual process still cannot use more memory.
Basics : Memory Configuration
Hello, I am confuse about memory configuration and I have below questions 1. if 32-bit os maximum virtual address is 4GB, When i have 4 gb of ram for 32-bit os, What about the virtual memory size ? is it required virtual memory(disk space) or we can directly use physical memory ? 2. In 32-bit os 12 bits are offset because page size=4k i.e 2^12 and 2^20 for page addresses What about 64-bit os, What is offset size ? What is page size ? How it calculated. 3. What is PAE? If enabled how to decide size of PAE, what is maximum and minimum size of extended memory. Regards, Pankaj * eInfochips Business Disclaimer: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and please delete it from your computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender unless otherwise stated. Company has taken enough precautions to prevent the spread of viruses. However the company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. *
