Re: REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually beleive that Hans made a reasonable case that Reiser4 had gone about as far as it could reasonably go with regard to testing, robustness, ... without the broader base of use that even an experimental filesystem in distribution tree would get. Of course, this is an entirely reasonable request of Reiser's. One meet with an array of unreasonable actions, but mainly STALLING which has led to REISER4 never becoming part of the main kernel. It has also lead to many false claims about REISER4. Claims that are never backed up with solid statistics, but used to keep REISER4 out of the kernel and tar its reputation. Keep that last sentence in mind for four lines... I for one would at least play with it if it were in the distribution tree. I AM SURE THERE ARE A HUGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD GIVE IT A TRY. "Claims that are never backed up with solid statistics, ..." As far as I could tell Hans pretty much everything else that was demanded. Hans eventually caved and provided - albeit with much pissing and moaning, and holy than thou rhetoric. It was not his pissing and moaning, etc,... these were just excuses to keep REISER4 from succeeding. The truth is, that any excuse would do. The real reasons are financial and backed by big money (sometimes, big egos). Yes all of the people who make millions on the other filesystems! Wait... identify who makes a penny more or less with or without Reiser4. [ snip ] Until Namesys is stable there's no support team. It's not my impression that there's much support otherwise. -- Bill Davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Troll Of The Year (Was: REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL.)
I second that award. Three threads in as many days, all idiotic trolling. Can this idiot be banned from the list? Sheesh! Ronni Nielsen wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip arguments FUBAR] And the award as Troll Of The Year goes to: johnrobertbanks. /ronni +--+ | PLEASE | | DO NOT | | FEED THE | | TROLLS | +--+ | | | | .\|.||/.. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL.
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 09:16:59PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL. Fuck off. Cheerleading like this only hurts your cause. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL.
On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:39:12 PDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > YOU GUYS WILL LAUGH ABOUT THIS: > > I forgot the all the statistics that might support the sase for REISER4 > inclusion. > > Well, here it all is: *plonk* - The sound of a sender address entering a procmail /dev/null filter. Come back when you're done doing the "nyah-nyeh I can't hear you" routine and start paying attention when people point out crucial facts - like the fact that Bonnie benchmarks that rely on compressing large files full of zeros aren't relevant unless you're in the exceedingly small minority of users who are interested in compressing large files full of zeros. Heck, I've had systems where compression was interesting - but I'm willing to admit that it's somewhat a corner case. pgp6SSqFGgLCs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL.
On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:16:59 PDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > I am not looking to defend Hans - he is likely to be in jail and no > > longer a factor for a long time. Nor am I looking to make or support > > claims for Reiser4. > > Why not defend Hans? He is in jail on what appear to be trumped-up > charges, just like the trumped-up complainants about his filesystem. The charges certainly appear to be a lot more serious than "trumped-up". All the same, I hope that Hans is accorded a fair trial and given a chance to clear his name. However, whether he's innocent or guilty, he *is* "out of play" for the foreseeable future. And "Where is the maintainer?" *is* a legitimate question when contemplating including a large chunk of code in the kernel. Hans is out of play, Namesys may or may not survive the loss of Hans, and there isn't any signs of support outside Namesys. So if it merges, who will get stuck with supporting it? (I won't bother replying to the rest of your conspiracy theories...) pgppOTKOjXgXo.pgp Description: PGP signature
Troll Of The Year (Was: REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL.)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip arguments FUBAR] And the award as Troll Of The Year goes to: johnrobertbanks. /ronni +--+ | PLEASE | | DO NOT | | FEED THE | | TROLLS | +--+ | | | | .\|.||/.. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL.
On 4/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: YOU GUYS WILL LAUGH ABOUT THIS: No, I am crying actually. Dear post-masters, can we have this thread shit-canned, please? - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL.
On 4/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YOU GUYS WILL LAUGH ABOUT THIS: No, I am crying actually. Dear post-masters, can we have this thread shit-canned, please? - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Troll Of The Year (Was: REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL.)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip arguments FUBAR] oscar And the award as Troll Of The Year goes to: johnrobertbanks. /oscar /ronni +--+ | PLEASE | | DO NOT | | FEED THE | | TROLLS | +--+ | | | | .\|.||/.. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL.
On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:16:59 PDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I am not looking to defend Hans - he is likely to be in jail and no longer a factor for a long time. Nor am I looking to make or support claims for Reiser4. Why not defend Hans? He is in jail on what appear to be trumped-up charges, just like the trumped-up complainants about his filesystem. The charges certainly appear to be a lot more serious than trumped-up. All the same, I hope that Hans is accorded a fair trial and given a chance to clear his name. However, whether he's innocent or guilty, he *is* out of play for the foreseeable future. And Where is the maintainer? *is* a legitimate question when contemplating including a large chunk of code in the kernel. Hans is out of play, Namesys may or may not survive the loss of Hans, and there isn't any signs of support outside Namesys. So if it merges, who will get stuck with supporting it? (I won't bother replying to the rest of your conspiracy theories...) pgppOTKOjXgXo.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL.
On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:39:12 PDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: YOU GUYS WILL LAUGH ABOUT THIS: I forgot the all the statistics that might support the sase for REISER4 inclusion. Well, here it all is: *plonk* - The sound of a sender address entering a procmail /dev/null filter. Come back when you're done doing the nyah-nyeh I can't hear you routine and start paying attention when people point out crucial facts - like the fact that Bonnie benchmarks that rely on compressing large files full of zeros aren't relevant unless you're in the exceedingly small minority of users who are interested in compressing large files full of zeros. Heck, I've had systems where compression was interesting - but I'm willing to admit that it's somewhat a corner case. pgp6SSqFGgLCs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL.
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 09:16:59PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL. Fuck off. Cheerleading like this only hurts your cause. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Troll Of The Year (Was: REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL.)
I second that award. Three threads in as many days, all idiotic trolling. Can this idiot be banned from the list? Sheesh! Ronni Nielsen wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip arguments FUBAR] oscar And the award as Troll Of The Year goes to: johnrobertbanks. /oscar /ronni +--+ | PLEASE | | DO NOT | | FEED THE | | TROLLS | +--+ | | | | .\|.||/.. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually beleive that Hans made a reasonable case that Reiser4 had gone about as far as it could reasonably go with regard to testing, robustness, ... without the broader base of use that even an experimental filesystem in distribution tree would get. Of course, this is an entirely reasonable request of Reiser's. One meet with an array of unreasonable actions, but mainly STALLING which has led to REISER4 never becoming part of the main kernel. It has also lead to many false claims about REISER4. Claims that are never backed up with solid statistics, but used to keep REISER4 out of the kernel and tar its reputation. Keep that last sentence in mind for four lines... I for one would at least play with it if it were in the distribution tree. I AM SURE THERE ARE A HUGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD GIVE IT A TRY. Claims that are never backed up with solid statistics, ... As far as I could tell Hans pretty much everything else that was demanded. Hans eventually caved and provided - albeit with much pissing and moaning, and holy than thou rhetoric. It was not his pissing and moaning, etc,... these were just excuses to keep REISER4 from succeeding. The truth is, that any excuse would do. The real reasons are financial and backed by big money (sometimes, big egos). Yes all of the people who make millions on the other filesystems! Wait... identify who makes a penny more or less with or without Reiser4. [ snip ] Until Namesys is stable there's no support team. It's not my impression that there's much support otherwise. -- Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL.
On Monday 09 April 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >I AM SURE THERE ARE A HUGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD GIVE IT A TRY. > Many of us have, and recall the pain. We'll pass thank you. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) It is indeed desirable to be well descended, but the glory belongs to our ancestors. -- Plutarch - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YOU GUYS WILL LAUGH ABOUT THIS: Yes, we are laughing at you. You keep using bonnie++ after being told it's a poor benchmark. Jeff - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL. Dave Lynch takes a reasoned approach to REISER4. Dave Lynch wrote: Jeff Garzik wrote: If the compelling reason is that it needs a test, I'd say its not ready. Can you please elaborate ? I am not sure I understand what you are arguing ? Jeff Garzik is "saying" that he wants REISER4 to stay out of the main kernel, for reasons he is not willing to tell you. False. I have told you the reasons. I for one would at least play with it if it were in the distribution tree. I AM SURE THERE ARE A HUGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD GIVE IT A TRY. You can download it now. Nobody is stopping you, or anyone else. As far as I could tell Hans pretty much everything else that was demanded. Hans eventually caved and provided - albeit with much pissing and moaning, and holy than thou rhetoric. It was not his pissing and moaning, etc,... these were just excuses to keep REISER4 from succeeding. The truth is, that any excuse would do. The real reasons are financial and backed by big money (sometimes, big egos). Put down the conspiracy crackpipe. Jeff - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL.
YOU GUYS WILL LAUGH ABOUT THIS: I forgot the all the statistics that might support the sase for REISER4 inclusion. Well, here it all is: http://linuxhelp.150m.com/resources/fs-benchmarks.htm and http://m.domaindlx.com/LinuxHelp/resources/fs-benchmarks.htm .-. | FILESYSTEM | TIME |DISK | | TYPE |(secs)|USAGE| .-. |REISER4 lzo | 1938 | 278 | |REISER4 gzip| 2295 | 213 | |REISER4 | 3462 | 692 | |EXT2| 4092 | 816 | |JFS | 4225 | 806 | |EXT4| 4408 | 816 | |EXT3| 4421 | 816 | |XFS | 4625 | 779 | |REISER3 | 6178 | 793 | |FAT32 |12342 | 988 | |NTFS-3g |10414 | 772 | .-. Column one measures the time taken to complete the bonnie++ benchmarking test (run with the parameters bonnie++ -n128:128k:0) Column two, Disk Usage: measures the amount of disk used to store 655MB of raw data (which was 3 different copies of the Linux kernel sources). OR LOOK AT THE FULL RESULTS: .-. |File |Disk |Copy |Copy |Tar |Unzip| Del | |System |Usage|655MB|655MB|Gzip |UnTar| 2.5 | |Type | (MB)| (1) | (2) |655MB|655MB| Gig | .-. |REISER4 gzip | 213 | 148 | 68 | 83 | 48 | 70 | |REISER4 lzo | 278 | 138 | 56 | 80 | 34 | 84 | |REISER4 tails| 673 | 148 | 63 | 78 | 33 | 65 | |REISER4 | 692 | 148 | 55 | 67 | 25 | 56 | |NTFS3g | 772 |1333 |1426 | 585 | 767 | 194 | |NTFS | 779 | 781 | 173 | X | X | X | |REISER3 | 793 | 184 | 98 | 85 | 63 | 22 | |XFS | 799 | 220 | 173 | 119 | 90 | 106 | |JFS | 806 | 228 | 202 | 95 | 97 | 127 | |EXT4 extents | 806 | 162 | 55 | 69 | 36 | 32 | |EXT4 default | 816 | 174 | 70 | 74 | 42 | 50 | |EXT3 | 816 | 182 | 74 | 73 | 43 | 51 | |EXT2 | 816 | 201 | 82 | 73 | 39 | 67 | |FAT32| 988 | 253 | 158 | 118 | 81 | 95 | .-. Each test was preformed 5 times and the average value recorded. Disk Usage: The amount of disk used to store the data (which was 3 different copies of the Linux kernel sources). The raw data (without filesystem meta-data, block alignment wastage, etc) was 655MB. Copy 655MB (1): Copy the data over a partition boundary. Copy 655MB (2): Copy the data within a partition. Tar Gzip 655MB: Tar and Gzip the data. Unzip UnTar 655MB: UnGzip and UnTar the data. Del 2.5 Gig: Delete everything just written (about 2.5 Gig). To get a feel for the performance increases that can be achieved by using compression, we look at the total time (in seconds) to run the test: bonnie++ -n128:128k:0 (bonnie++ is Version 1.93c) .---. | FILESYSTEM | TIME | .---. |REISER4 lzo | 1938| |REISER4 gzip| 2295| |REISER4 | 3462| |EXT4| 4408| |EXT2| 4092| |JFS | 4225| |EXT3| 4421| |XFS | 4625| |REISER3 | 6178| |FAT32 | 12342| |NTFS-3g |>10414| .---. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL.
REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL. Dave Lynch takes a reasoned approach to REISER4. Dave Lynch wrote: > > Jeff Garzik wrote: > > > > If the compelling reason is that it needs a test, I'd say its not ready. > > > > Can you please elaborate ? I am not sure I understand what you are > arguing ? Jeff Garzik is "saying" that he wants REISER4 to stay out of the main kernel, for reasons he is not willing to tell you. > Despite his substantially less than polite rhetoric, I have read > Hans's post from months if not years ago. > > Aside from the pissing contests - which where not entirely one > sided, On the basis of what I have seen here,... Hans Reiser was probably an angel. > I actually beleive that Hans made a reasonable case that > Reiser4 had gone about as far as it could reasonably go with regard > to testing, robustness, ... without the broader base of use that > even an experimental filesystem in distribution tree would get. Of course, this is an entirely reasonable request of Reiser's. One meet with an array of unreasonable actions, but mainly STALLING which has led to REISER4 never becoming part of the main kernel. It has also lead to many false claims about REISER4. Claims that are never backed up with solid statistics, but used to keep REISER4 out of the kernel and tar its reputation. > I for one would at least play with it if it were in the distribution > tree. I AM SURE THERE ARE A HUGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD GIVE IT A TRY. > As far as I could tell Hans pretty much everything else that > was demanded. Hans eventually caved and provided - albeit with much > pissing and moaning, and holy than thou rhetoric. It was not his pissing and moaning, etc,... these were just excuses to keep REISER4 from succeeding. The truth is, that any excuse would do. The real reasons are financial and backed by big money (sometimes, big egos). > The argument that anything that needs testing can't get into the > distribution tree's is specious. There is alot of poorly tested crap in > the distribution trees. Yes, the argument that anything that needs testing can't get in is indeed stupid. But stupid things often work. Is REISER4 in the kernel? Is REISER4 a success? > But separately, there is the issue of scale. Namesys claims that > they have no currently know bugs, faults ... - with their base of > internal and external users. > > I would fully expect new failures to crop up with any filesystem, > driver, ... moving up an order of magnitude in users. > > Are you going to subject all filesystems and drivers to the same > high standards you are placing on Reiser4 ? If so then we need to strip > the distribution tree now. No. Only those things that threaten big money. > I am not looking to defend Hans - he is likely to be in jail and no > longer a factor for a long time. Nor am I looking to make or support > claims for Reiser4. Why not defend Hans? He is in jail on what appear to be trumped-up charges, just like the trumped-up complainants about his filesystem. > But I am asking - why we can not get past the bad blood, rhetoric, > and zealotry -which to my eyes has not been all one sided. Money talks, BS walks. Reiser4 is a little guy. You should play in my league. > I am NOT looking for a technical explanation of all the relative > merits and demerits of Reiser4. > > I do not care for arguments about whether it compresses 0's well, or > that tail combining is a bad thing. They may have merit, but there is > not a filesystem that is going to be all things to all people. Yeap. > Whether Reiser4 is a small niche filesystem or a significant general > use one, is a decision that should be reached by its performance > in practice, not it rhetoric. Regardless, even as a niche filesystem, > I beleive at this point it merits inclusion. Yeap. REISER4 merits inclusion. John. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The professional email service - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL.
REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL. Dave Lynch takes a reasoned approach to REISER4. Dave Lynch wrote: Jeff Garzik wrote: If the compelling reason is that it needs a test, I'd say its not ready. Can you please elaborate ? I am not sure I understand what you are arguing ? Jeff Garzik is saying that he wants REISER4 to stay out of the main kernel, for reasons he is not willing to tell you. Despite his substantially less than polite rhetoric, I have read Hans's post from months if not years ago. Aside from the pissing contests - which where not entirely one sided, On the basis of what I have seen here,... Hans Reiser was probably an angel. I actually beleive that Hans made a reasonable case that Reiser4 had gone about as far as it could reasonably go with regard to testing, robustness, ... without the broader base of use that even an experimental filesystem in distribution tree would get. Of course, this is an entirely reasonable request of Reiser's. One meet with an array of unreasonable actions, but mainly STALLING which has led to REISER4 never becoming part of the main kernel. It has also lead to many false claims about REISER4. Claims that are never backed up with solid statistics, but used to keep REISER4 out of the kernel and tar its reputation. I for one would at least play with it if it were in the distribution tree. I AM SURE THERE ARE A HUGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD GIVE IT A TRY. As far as I could tell Hans pretty much everything else that was demanded. Hans eventually caved and provided - albeit with much pissing and moaning, and holy than thou rhetoric. It was not his pissing and moaning, etc,... these were just excuses to keep REISER4 from succeeding. The truth is, that any excuse would do. The real reasons are financial and backed by big money (sometimes, big egos). The argument that anything that needs testing can't get into the distribution tree's is specious. There is alot of poorly tested crap in the distribution trees. Yes, the argument that anything that needs testing can't get in is indeed stupid. But stupid things often work. Is REISER4 in the kernel? Is REISER4 a success? But separately, there is the issue of scale. Namesys claims that they have no currently know bugs, faults ... - with their base of internal and external users. I would fully expect new failures to crop up with any filesystem, driver, ... moving up an order of magnitude in users. Are you going to subject all filesystems and drivers to the same high standards you are placing on Reiser4 ? If so then we need to strip the distribution tree now. No. Only those things that threaten big money. I am not looking to defend Hans - he is likely to be in jail and no longer a factor for a long time. Nor am I looking to make or support claims for Reiser4. Why not defend Hans? He is in jail on what appear to be trumped-up charges, just like the trumped-up complainants about his filesystem. But I am asking - why we can not get past the bad blood, rhetoric, and zealotry -which to my eyes has not been all one sided. Money talks, BS walks. Reiser4 is a little guy. You should play in my league. I am NOT looking for a technical explanation of all the relative merits and demerits of Reiser4. I do not care for arguments about whether it compresses 0's well, or that tail combining is a bad thing. They may have merit, but there is not a filesystem that is going to be all things to all people. Yeap. Whether Reiser4 is a small niche filesystem or a significant general use one, is a decision that should be reached by its performance in practice, not it rhetoric. Regardless, even as a niche filesystem, I beleive at this point it merits inclusion. Yeap. REISER4 merits inclusion. John. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The professional email service - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL.
YOU GUYS WILL LAUGH ABOUT THIS: I forgot the all the statistics that might support the sase for REISER4 inclusion. Well, here it all is: http://linuxhelp.150m.com/resources/fs-benchmarks.htm and http://m.domaindlx.com/LinuxHelp/resources/fs-benchmarks.htm .-. | FILESYSTEM | TIME |DISK | | TYPE |(secs)|USAGE| .-. |REISER4 lzo | 1938 | 278 | |REISER4 gzip| 2295 | 213 | |REISER4 | 3462 | 692 | |EXT2| 4092 | 816 | |JFS | 4225 | 806 | |EXT4| 4408 | 816 | |EXT3| 4421 | 816 | |XFS | 4625 | 779 | |REISER3 | 6178 | 793 | |FAT32 |12342 | 988 | |NTFS-3g |10414 | 772 | .-. Column one measures the time taken to complete the bonnie++ benchmarking test (run with the parameters bonnie++ -n128:128k:0) Column two, Disk Usage: measures the amount of disk used to store 655MB of raw data (which was 3 different copies of the Linux kernel sources). OR LOOK AT THE FULL RESULTS: .-. |File |Disk |Copy |Copy |Tar |Unzip| Del | |System |Usage|655MB|655MB|Gzip |UnTar| 2.5 | |Type | (MB)| (1) | (2) |655MB|655MB| Gig | .-. |REISER4 gzip | 213 | 148 | 68 | 83 | 48 | 70 | |REISER4 lzo | 278 | 138 | 56 | 80 | 34 | 84 | |REISER4 tails| 673 | 148 | 63 | 78 | 33 | 65 | |REISER4 | 692 | 148 | 55 | 67 | 25 | 56 | |NTFS3g | 772 |1333 |1426 | 585 | 767 | 194 | |NTFS | 779 | 781 | 173 | X | X | X | |REISER3 | 793 | 184 | 98 | 85 | 63 | 22 | |XFS | 799 | 220 | 173 | 119 | 90 | 106 | |JFS | 806 | 228 | 202 | 95 | 97 | 127 | |EXT4 extents | 806 | 162 | 55 | 69 | 36 | 32 | |EXT4 default | 816 | 174 | 70 | 74 | 42 | 50 | |EXT3 | 816 | 182 | 74 | 73 | 43 | 51 | |EXT2 | 816 | 201 | 82 | 73 | 39 | 67 | |FAT32| 988 | 253 | 158 | 118 | 81 | 95 | .-. Each test was preformed 5 times and the average value recorded. Disk Usage: The amount of disk used to store the data (which was 3 different copies of the Linux kernel sources). The raw data (without filesystem meta-data, block alignment wastage, etc) was 655MB. Copy 655MB (1): Copy the data over a partition boundary. Copy 655MB (2): Copy the data within a partition. Tar Gzip 655MB: Tar and Gzip the data. Unzip UnTar 655MB: UnGzip and UnTar the data. Del 2.5 Gig: Delete everything just written (about 2.5 Gig). To get a feel for the performance increases that can be achieved by using compression, we look at the total time (in seconds) to run the test: bonnie++ -n128:128k:0 (bonnie++ is Version 1.93c) .---. | FILESYSTEM | TIME | .---. |REISER4 lzo | 1938| |REISER4 gzip| 2295| |REISER4 | 3462| |EXT4| 4408| |EXT2| 4092| |JFS | 4225| |EXT3| 4421| |XFS | 4625| |REISER3 | 6178| |FAT32 | 12342| |NTFS-3g |10414| .---. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL. Dave Lynch takes a reasoned approach to REISER4. Dave Lynch wrote: Jeff Garzik wrote: If the compelling reason is that it needs a test, I'd say its not ready. Can you please elaborate ? I am not sure I understand what you are arguing ? Jeff Garzik is saying that he wants REISER4 to stay out of the main kernel, for reasons he is not willing to tell you. False. I have told you the reasons. I for one would at least play with it if it were in the distribution tree. I AM SURE THERE ARE A HUGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD GIVE IT A TRY. You can download it now. Nobody is stopping you, or anyone else. As far as I could tell Hans pretty much everything else that was demanded. Hans eventually caved and provided - albeit with much pissing and moaning, and holy than thou rhetoric. It was not his pissing and moaning, etc,... these were just excuses to keep REISER4 from succeeding. The truth is, that any excuse would do. The real reasons are financial and backed by big money (sometimes, big egos). Put down the conspiracy crackpipe. Jeff - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YOU GUYS WILL LAUGH ABOUT THIS: Yes, we are laughing at you. You keep using bonnie++ after being told it's a poor benchmark. Jeff - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: REISER4 FOR INCLUSION IN THE LINUX KERNEL.
On Monday 09 April 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I AM SURE THERE ARE A HUGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD GIVE IT A TRY. Many of us have, and recall the pain. We'll pass thank you. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) It is indeed desirable to be well descended, but the glory belongs to our ancestors. -- Plutarch - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
