Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
So grab and install dsproxy (http://freshmeat.net/projects/dsproxy/), and capture the output. Than feed to e.g. XMMS which already has an AGC plugin. t On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 01:44:32PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > So my question is, what would it take to get some automatic software > > volume correction going. This looks like it would be the easiest fix > > of all. > > Unfortunately its encoded in a proprietary format otherwise it would have > been perhaps half an hours work to write an AGC filter for the data. > > Alan > > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ -- Tim Wright - [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] IBM Linux Technology Center, Beaverton, Oregon Interested in Linux scalability ? Look at http://lse.sourceforge.net/ "Nobody ever said I was charming, they said "Rimmer, you're a git!"" RD VI - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 10:46:20PM -0400, Albert D. Cahalan wrote: > support for NUMA hardware (it's not cache coherent) right now btw, there are three kind of NUMA systems: 1) cc-numa first citizens (wildfire alpha, future chips) 2) cc-numa second citizens (origin2k) 3) non cache coherent numa machines On the first class numa citizens NUMA means "heuristics for higher performance". On those systems you don't need any NUMA change for correct operation of the kernel (besides the fact you may need to use discontigmem to boot the kernel if there can be huge physical holes in the physical layout of the ram but that is true also for any other non numa machine with big holes in the physical ram address space). On the second and thrid class of NUMA systems NUMA means "required changes for correct operations of the system". difference between 1 and 2 is that category 2) needs also to put specialized PIO memory barriers to serialize the I/O across different nodes. So it "only" additionaly requires total auditing of the device drivers. I think linux will need to optimize class 1 of systems and I assume SGI has the PIO memory barriers patches for the device drivers to support class 2 as well. Nobody ever considered the non cache coherent numa support so far AFIK and I guess it will hardly end into mainline (personally I wouldn't be that excited to deal with that additional complexity ;). If you can tell, what system is it? Andrea - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
> So my question is, what would it take to get some automatic software > volume correction going. This looks like it would be the easiest fix > of all. Unfortunately its encoded in a proprietary format otherwise it would have been perhaps half an hours work to write an AGC filter for the data. Alan - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
Miles Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > http://www.osdn.com/conferences/kernel/ > > Thanks to all responsible for getting these captures > of the Kernel 2.5 Workshop prosentations put together. > > There is one major shortcoming of the recordings. > Usually, only the comments of the presenter(s) > can be heard. This reduces the value of these > recording substantially, since the comments, insights > and give-and-take of the other kernel developers would > help us get a much more complete understanding of the > areas being presented -- try listening to Andy Grover's > Power Management presentation and you'll see what I > mean. I actually managed to get almost all of it by simply pressing my ear against my speaker, and then pulling back quickly when the main speaker was talking. So my question is, what would it take to get some automatic software volume correction going. This looks like it would be the easiest fix of all. Eric - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
> Being an outsider, I'm still trying to find out WTF happened > on friday evening when NUMA was discussed. I can't find any > video, audio, or even technical notes. This sucks; I'm writing > support for NUMA hardware (it's not cache coherent) right now > and I don't have any idea where things will be going. Something like View 1: (The SGI view) NUMA should be implemented as a single kernel on a numa system. Andrea has done some work on this (see his kernel.org patches), as have SGI. View 2: (The McVoy view) NUMA is best viewed as another misguided attempt to do DSM and we should run a kernel on each DSM node and do page cache borrows between nodes. Alan - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
Being an outsider, I'm still trying to find out WTF happened on friday evening when NUMA was discussed. I can't find any video, audio, or even technical notes. This sucks; I'm writing support for NUMA hardware (it's not cache coherent) right now and I don't have any idea where things will be going. Something like View 1: (The SGI view) NUMA should be implemented as a single kernel on a numa system. Andrea has done some work on this (see his kernel.org patches), as have SGI. View 2: (The McVoy view) NUMA is best viewed as another misguided attempt to do DSM and we should run a kernel on each DSM node and do page cache borrows between nodes. Alan - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
Miles Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.osdn.com/conferences/kernel/ Thanks to all responsible for getting these captures of the Kernel 2.5 Workshop prosentations put together. There is one major shortcoming of the recordings. Usually, only the comments of the presenter(s) can be heard. This reduces the value of these recording substantially, since the comments, insights and give-and-take of the other kernel developers would help us get a much more complete understanding of the areas being presented -- try listening to Andy Grover's Power Management presentation and you'll see what I mean. I actually managed to get almost all of it by simply pressing my ear against my speaker, and then pulling back quickly when the main speaker was talking. So my question is, what would it take to get some automatic software volume correction going. This looks like it would be the easiest fix of all. Eric - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
So my question is, what would it take to get some automatic software volume correction going. This looks like it would be the easiest fix of all. Unfortunately its encoded in a proprietary format otherwise it would have been perhaps half an hours work to write an AGC filter for the data. Alan - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
So grab and install dsproxy (http://freshmeat.net/projects/dsproxy/), and capture the output. Than feed to e.g. XMMS which already has an AGC plugin. t On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 01:44:32PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: So my question is, what would it take to get some automatic software volume correction going. This looks like it would be the easiest fix of all. Unfortunately its encoded in a proprietary format otherwise it would have been perhaps half an hours work to write an AGC filter for the data. Alan - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ -- Tim Wright - [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] IBM Linux Technology Center, Beaverton, Oregon Interested in Linux scalability ? Look at http://lse.sourceforge.net/ "Nobody ever said I was charming, they said "Rimmer, you're a git!"" RD VI - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 10:46:20PM -0400, Albert D. Cahalan wrote: support for NUMA hardware (it's not cache coherent) right now btw, there are three kind of NUMA systems: 1) cc-numa first citizens (wildfire alpha, future chips) 2) cc-numa second citizens (origin2k) 3) non cache coherent numa machines On the first class numa citizens NUMA means "heuristics for higher performance". On those systems you don't need any NUMA change for correct operation of the kernel (besides the fact you may need to use discontigmem to boot the kernel if there can be huge physical holes in the physical layout of the ram but that is true also for any other non numa machine with big holes in the physical ram address space). On the second and thrid class of NUMA systems NUMA means "required changes for correct operations of the system". difference between 1 and 2 is that category 2) needs also to put specialized PIO memory barriers to serialize the I/O across different nodes. So it "only" additionaly requires total auditing of the device drivers. I think linux will need to optimize class 1 of systems and I assume SGI has the PIO memory barriers patches for the device drivers to support class 2 as well. Nobody ever considered the non cache coherent numa support so far AFIK and I guess it will hardly end into mainline (personally I wouldn't be that excited to deal with that additional complexity ;). If you can tell, what system is it? Andrea - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
Theodore Tso writes: > On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:53:19PM -0700, David S. Miller wrote: >> It does not work in a relaxed "people sit at tables and comment >> at arbitrary points in time during a talk" setting such as the >> kernel summit. Besides putting a microphone at every table (which >> isn't all that practical honestly) I can't come up with a solution. > > I suspect that if we're going to do this again, having a microphone at > each table is what we'd have to do, assuming that we can keep the > numbers of people at the workshop down to 60-70 (which will be a *lot* > harder next time, since everyone and his brother will want to show up, > and will therefore pester, whine, and otherwise beg the workshop > organizers to be included onto the invite list). Nah, my brother does Java. Being an outsider, I'm still trying to find out WTF happened on friday evening when NUMA was discussed. I can't find any video, audio, or even technical notes. This sucks; I'm writing support for NUMA hardware (it's not cache coherent) right now and I don't have any idea where things will be going. > If we have a lot more people, we'll probably have to go to the two > microphones in the aisle approach. But at that point a large part of > the workshop will be destroyed; so hopefully we'll just be able to > keep the numbers of people in the workshop to manageable number. You can have 90% of the people invited to one day only. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
Theodore Tso wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:53:19PM -0700, David S. Miller wrote: > > > > It does not work in a relaxed "people sit at tables and comment > > at arbitrary points in time during a talk" setting such as the > > kernel summit. Besides putting a microphone at every table (which > > isn't all that practical honestly) I can't come up with a solution. > > I suspect that if we're going to do this again, having a microphone at > each table is what we'd have to do, assuming that we can keep the > numbers of people at the workshop down to 60-70 (which will be a *lot* > harder next time, since everyone and his brother will want to show up, > and will therefore pester, whine, and otherwise beg the workshop > organizers to be included onto the invite list). > > If we have a lot more people, we'll probably have to go to the two > microphones in the aisle approach. But at that point a large part of > the workshop will be destroyed; so hopefully we'll just be able to > keep the numbers of people in the workshop to manageable number. Well, another option would be to have workshops on a more frequent basis, target the workshops on fewer areas and restrict the invitees to those doing work in fairly closely related areas. This would allow us to foster the synergy of teamwork. The only obvious downside to this IMHO would be the loss of the contribution of from those working in dissimilar areas. This might be a significant loss, since sometimes a great solution to a problem will come from someone who is thinking "outside the box" of the current development team. On the other hand, we could have the annual Kernel Workshop consist of the folks who were at this year summit and simply add other workshops that are more narrowly targetted. Miles - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:53:19PM -0700, David S. Miller wrote: > > It does not work in a relaxed "people sit at tables and comment > at arbitrary points in time during a talk" setting such as the > kernel summit. Besides putting a microphone at every table (which > isn't all that practical honestly) I can't come up with a solution. I suspect that if we're going to do this again, having a microphone at each table is what we'd have to do, assuming that we can keep the numbers of people at the workshop down to 60-70 (which will be a *lot* harder next time, since everyone and his brother will want to show up, and will therefore pester, whine, and otherwise beg the workshop organizers to be included onto the invite list). If we have a lot more people, we'll probably have to go to the two microphones in the aisle approach. But at that point a large part of the workshop will be destroyed; so hopefully we'll just be able to keep the numbers of people in the workshop to manageable number. - Ted - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Miles Lane wrote: >> hand someone a mike. > >I like this idea quite a bit. It would probably not >be terribly expensive to rent/buy the required equipment, >it would be easy to use and would not be terribly disruptive >to the preceedings. > >I'm curious, didn't you find that those mikes are too >directionally sensitive? I've noticed that the movement >of the speaker by just an inch or two can cause major >variations in signal reception (I've only tried that >little plastic parabolic eavesdropping "toy" that was >all the rage about two Christmasses ago -- there was one >floating around my office). Just to keep this on topic... the real question is what would be the best way to interface this sound system into the Linux kernel? ;o) -- Mike A. Harris - Linux advocate - Free Software advocate This message is copyright 2001, all rights reserved. Views expressed are my own, not necessarily shared by my employer. -- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Miles Lane wrote: hand someone a mike. I like this idea quite a bit. It would probably not be terribly expensive to rent/buy the required equipment, it would be easy to use and would not be terribly disruptive to the preceedings. I'm curious, didn't you find that those mikes are too directionally sensitive? I've noticed that the movement of the speaker by just an inch or two can cause major variations in signal reception (I've only tried that little plastic parabolic eavesdropping "toy" that was all the rage about two Christmasses ago -- there was one floating around my office). Just to keep this on topic... the real question is what would be the best way to interface this sound system into the Linux kernel? ;o) -- Mike A. Harris - Linux advocate - Free Software advocate This message is copyright 2001, all rights reserved. Views expressed are my own, not necessarily shared by my employer. -- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:53:19PM -0700, David S. Miller wrote: It does not work in a relaxed "people sit at tables and comment at arbitrary points in time during a talk" setting such as the kernel summit. Besides putting a microphone at every table (which isn't all that practical honestly) I can't come up with a solution. I suspect that if we're going to do this again, having a microphone at each table is what we'd have to do, assuming that we can keep the numbers of people at the workshop down to 60-70 (which will be a *lot* harder next time, since everyone and his brother will want to show up, and will therefore pester, whine, and otherwise beg the workshop organizers to be included onto the invite list). If we have a lot more people, we'll probably have to go to the two microphones in the aisle approach. But at that point a large part of the workshop will be destroyed; so hopefully we'll just be able to keep the numbers of people in the workshop to manageable number. - Ted - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
Theodore Tso wrote: On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:53:19PM -0700, David S. Miller wrote: It does not work in a relaxed "people sit at tables and comment at arbitrary points in time during a talk" setting such as the kernel summit. Besides putting a microphone at every table (which isn't all that practical honestly) I can't come up with a solution. I suspect that if we're going to do this again, having a microphone at each table is what we'd have to do, assuming that we can keep the numbers of people at the workshop down to 60-70 (which will be a *lot* harder next time, since everyone and his brother will want to show up, and will therefore pester, whine, and otherwise beg the workshop organizers to be included onto the invite list). If we have a lot more people, we'll probably have to go to the two microphones in the aisle approach. But at that point a large part of the workshop will be destroyed; so hopefully we'll just be able to keep the numbers of people in the workshop to manageable number. Well, another option would be to have workshops on a more frequent basis, target the workshops on fewer areas and restrict the invitees to those doing work in fairly closely related areas. This would allow us to foster the synergy of teamwork. The only obvious downside to this IMHO would be the loss of the contribution of from those working in dissimilar areas. This might be a significant loss, since sometimes a great solution to a problem will come from someone who is thinking "outside the box" of the current development team. On the other hand, we could have the annual Kernel Workshop consist of the folks who were at this year summit and simply add other workshops that are more narrowly targetted. Miles - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
Theodore Tso writes: On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:53:19PM -0700, David S. Miller wrote: It does not work in a relaxed "people sit at tables and comment at arbitrary points in time during a talk" setting such as the kernel summit. Besides putting a microphone at every table (which isn't all that practical honestly) I can't come up with a solution. I suspect that if we're going to do this again, having a microphone at each table is what we'd have to do, assuming that we can keep the numbers of people at the workshop down to 60-70 (which will be a *lot* harder next time, since everyone and his brother will want to show up, and will therefore pester, whine, and otherwise beg the workshop organizers to be included onto the invite list). Nah, my brother does Java. Being an outsider, I'm still trying to find out WTF happened on friday evening when NUMA was discussed. I can't find any video, audio, or even technical notes. This sucks; I'm writing support for NUMA hardware (it's not cache coherent) right now and I don't have any idea where things will be going. If we have a lot more people, we'll probably have to go to the two microphones in the aisle approach. But at that point a large part of the workshop will be destroyed; so hopefully we'll just be able to keep the numbers of people in the workshop to manageable number. You can have 90% of the people invited to one day only. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
Larry McVoy wrote: > > > Are you talking about one of those "eavesdropper" > > parabolic microphones? Are you thinking of having > > someone on stage redirecting the microphone as > > each speaker starts talking? It could work well, > > but you'd either lose the first few words each > > person in the audience said or need to go to a > > "hand raising/acknowledgement" to create a pause > > during which the microphone could be redirected. > > Yeah, but that is still way way way faster than walking across the room to > hand someone a mike. I like this idea quite a bit. It would probably not be terribly expensive to rent/buy the required equipment, it would be easy to use and would not be terribly disruptive to the preceedings. I'm curious, didn't you find that those mikes are too directionally sensitive? I've noticed that the movement of the speaker by just an inch or two can cause major variations in signal reception (I've only tried that little plastic parabolic eavesdropping "toy" that was all the rage about two Christmasses ago -- there was one floating around my office). Miles - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
> Are you talking about one of those "eavesdropper" > parabolic microphones? Are you thinking of having > someone on stage redirecting the microphone as > each speaker starts talking? It could work well, > but you'd either lose the first few words each > person in the audience said or need to go to a > "hand raising/acknowledgement" to create a pause > during which the microphone could be redirected. Yeah, but that is still way way way faster than walking across the room to hand someone a mike. -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
Larry McVoy wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 08:46:33PM -0700, Miles Lane wrote: > > Randolph Bentson wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:45:31PM -0700, Miles Lane wrote: > > > > There is one major shortcoming of the recordings. > > > > Usually, only the comments of the presenter(s) > > > > can be heard. > > > > > > I've heard of conferences where a wireless audience > > > microphone was put inside a Nerf ball. It could > > > then be tossed to the audience member who wished > > > to speak. > > > > Alternatively, you could hold your discussion on a > > classical music performance stage. They usually > > have about ten or twenty suspended microphones over > > the stage. Then, you'd just need to mix the audio. > > As one of the guys who was passing the mike around, I am a fan of the > directional mike. If you have ever used one of those, they are quite > nice and I think would solve the problem. Are you talking about one of those "eavesdropper" parabolic microphones? Are you thinking of having someone on stage redirecting the microphone as each speaker starts talking? It could work well, but you'd either lose the first few words each person in the audience said or need to go to a "hand raising/acknowledgement" to create a pause during which the microphone could be redirected. Miles - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 08:46:33PM -0700, Miles Lane wrote: > Randolph Bentson wrote: > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:45:31PM -0700, Miles Lane wrote: > > > There is one major shortcoming of the recordings. > > > Usually, only the comments of the presenter(s) > > > can be heard. > > > > I've heard of conferences where a wireless audience > > microphone was put inside a Nerf ball. It could > > then be tossed to the audience member who wished > > to speak. > > Alternatively, you could hold your discussion on a > classical music performance stage. They usually > have about ten or twenty suspended microphones over > the stage. Then, you'd just need to mix the audio. As one of the guys who was passing the mike around, I am a fan of the directional mike. If you have ever used one of those, they are quite nice and I think would solve the problem. -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
Randolph Bentson wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:45:31PM -0700, Miles Lane wrote: > > There is one major shortcoming of the recordings. > > Usually, only the comments of the presenter(s) > > can be heard. > > I've heard of conferences where a wireless audience > microphone was put inside a Nerf ball. It could > then be tossed to the audience member who wished > to speak. Alternatively, you could hold your discussion on a classical music performance stage. They usually have about ten or twenty suspended microphones over the stage. Then, you'd just need to mix the audio. Miles - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
Ben Ford wrote: > > Randolph Bentson wrote: > > >On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:45:31PM -0700, Miles Lane wrote: > > > >>There is one major shortcoming of the recordings. > >>Usually, only the comments of the presenter(s) > >>can be heard. > >> > > > >I've heard of conferences where a wireless audience > >microphone was put inside a Nerf ball. It could > >then be tossed to the audience member who wished > >to speak. > > > That sounds more Linux-like *lol* I can see it now Linus, go long! D'oh! He dropped it! :-) The sound effects from having folks forget to switch off the mic before throwing it could be pretty entertaining. Seriously though, this would probably still be an impediment to the sort of stream-of-conciousness dialog that we'd like to have. Sometimes, there is a quick series of one or two sentence comments from several participants. With a "mike-in-a-ball" your discussion might turn into a sports event. Plus, personally, I am a crappy ball thrower. If many of you have my level of athletic prowess, there'd be a lot of time spent scrambling under tables and chairs. Miles - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
Randolph Bentson wrote: >On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:45:31PM -0700, Miles Lane wrote: > >>There is one major shortcoming of the recordings. >>Usually, only the comments of the presenter(s) >>can be heard. >> > >I've heard of conferences where a wireless audience >microphone was put inside a Nerf ball. It could >then be tossed to the audience member who wished >to speak. > That sounds more Linux-like *lol* -- Three things are certain: Death, taxes, and lost data Guess which has occurred. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Patched Micro$oft servers are secure today . . . but tomorrow is another story! - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:45:31PM -0700, Miles Lane wrote: > There is one major shortcoming of the recordings. > Usually, only the comments of the presenter(s) > can be heard. I've heard of conferences where a wireless audience microphone was put inside a Nerf ball. It could then be tossed to the audience member who wished to speak. -- Randolph Bentson [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
"David S. Miller" wrote: > > Miles Lane writes: > > There is one major shortcoming of the recordings. > > Usually, only the comments of the presenter(s) > > can be heard. > > The problem is that nobody wants to wait for one of the microphones to > go across the entire room before they can begin speaking, this is what > was happening. Sometimes there was a dialogue going on between three > people sitting at tables, there were 2 microphones to go around... > > One solution I've seen sort of work is to have 2 standing fixed > microphones in the isles, but this only really functions correctly > for a Q type session after a presentation. > > It does not work in a relaxed "people sit at tables and comment > at arbitrary points in time during a talk" setting such as the > kernel summit. Besides putting a microphone at every table (which > isn't all that practical honestly) I can't come up with a solution. I agree that this is another important issue. It's most important in these events that the flow and exchange of ideas proceed unhindered. I do believe there is a way to record the dialog without introducing significant impediments, though. What usually is done these days, when a few groups of people need to hold a conference call, for example, is that a few omni-directional microphones are used (these are the sort of spaceship-looking things that get placed in the center of a large table around which the groups sit). There are drawbacks with this, in that, for a large group, there's signal loss if current speaker does not face the microphone. However, these microphones do a pretty good job of picking up voice audio in a 360 degree radius. There would need to be some post-event sound mixing. For example, if you have ten tables, each with its own omni-directional table microphone, plus unidirectional microphones for the presenter(s), you'd need to mix the signals from the microphones or perhaps switch between the various microphone recordings and adjust for volume differences. You'd likely get the best recording from the table microphone a particular participant was sitting at. You'd also likely get much stronger signals from the presenter's microphone. What say you all? Cheers, Miles - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
Miles Lane writes: > There is one major shortcoming of the recordings. > Usually, only the comments of the presenter(s) > can be heard. The problem is that nobody wants to wait for one of the microphones to go across the entire room before they can begin speaking, this is what was happening. Sometimes there was a dialogue going on between three people sitting at tables, there were 2 microphones to go around... One solution I've seen sort of work is to have 2 standing fixed microphones in the isles, but this only really functions correctly for a Q type session after a presentation. It does not work in a relaxed "people sit at tables and comment at arbitrary points in time during a talk" setting such as the kernel summit. Besides putting a microphone at every table (which isn't all that practical honestly) I can't come up with a solution. Later, David S. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:45:31PM -0700, Miles Lane wrote: There is one major shortcoming of the recordings. Usually, only the comments of the presenter(s) can be heard. I've heard of conferences where a wireless audience microphone was put inside a Nerf ball. It could then be tossed to the audience member who wished to speak. -- Randolph Bentson [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
Randolph Bentson wrote: On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:45:31PM -0700, Miles Lane wrote: There is one major shortcoming of the recordings. Usually, only the comments of the presenter(s) can be heard. I've heard of conferences where a wireless audience microphone was put inside a Nerf ball. It could then be tossed to the audience member who wished to speak. That sounds more Linux-like *lol* -- Three things are certain: Death, taxes, and lost data Guess which has occurred. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Patched Micro$oft servers are secure today . . . but tomorrow is another story! - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
Ben Ford wrote: Randolph Bentson wrote: On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:45:31PM -0700, Miles Lane wrote: There is one major shortcoming of the recordings. Usually, only the comments of the presenter(s) can be heard. I've heard of conferences where a wireless audience microphone was put inside a Nerf ball. It could then be tossed to the audience member who wished to speak. That sounds more Linux-like *lol* I can see it now Linus, go long! D'oh! He dropped it! :-) The sound effects from having folks forget to switch off the mic before throwing it could be pretty entertaining. Seriously though, this would probably still be an impediment to the sort of stream-of-conciousness dialog that we'd like to have. Sometimes, there is a quick series of one or two sentence comments from several participants. With a "mike-in-a-ball" your discussion might turn into a sports event. Plus, personally, I am a crappy ball thrower. If many of you have my level of athletic prowess, there'd be a lot of time spent scrambling under tables and chairs. Miles - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
Randolph Bentson wrote: On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:45:31PM -0700, Miles Lane wrote: There is one major shortcoming of the recordings. Usually, only the comments of the presenter(s) can be heard. I've heard of conferences where a wireless audience microphone was put inside a Nerf ball. It could then be tossed to the audience member who wished to speak. Alternatively, you could hold your discussion on a classical music performance stage. They usually have about ten or twenty suspended microphones over the stage. Then, you'd just need to mix the audio. Miles - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 08:46:33PM -0700, Miles Lane wrote: Randolph Bentson wrote: On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:45:31PM -0700, Miles Lane wrote: There is one major shortcoming of the recordings. Usually, only the comments of the presenter(s) can be heard. I've heard of conferences where a wireless audience microphone was put inside a Nerf ball. It could then be tossed to the audience member who wished to speak. Alternatively, you could hold your discussion on a classical music performance stage. They usually have about ten or twenty suspended microphones over the stage. Then, you'd just need to mix the audio. As one of the guys who was passing the mike around, I am a fan of the directional mike. If you have ever used one of those, they are quite nice and I think would solve the problem. -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
Larry McVoy wrote: On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 08:46:33PM -0700, Miles Lane wrote: Randolph Bentson wrote: On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:45:31PM -0700, Miles Lane wrote: There is one major shortcoming of the recordings. Usually, only the comments of the presenter(s) can be heard. I've heard of conferences where a wireless audience microphone was put inside a Nerf ball. It could then be tossed to the audience member who wished to speak. Alternatively, you could hold your discussion on a classical music performance stage. They usually have about ten or twenty suspended microphones over the stage. Then, you'd just need to mix the audio. As one of the guys who was passing the mike around, I am a fan of the directional mike. If you have ever used one of those, they are quite nice and I think would solve the problem. Are you talking about one of those "eavesdropper" parabolic microphones? Are you thinking of having someone on stage redirecting the microphone as each speaker starts talking? It could work well, but you'd either lose the first few words each person in the audience said or need to go to a "hand raising/acknowledgement" to create a pause during which the microphone could be redirected. Miles - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
Are you talking about one of those "eavesdropper" parabolic microphones? Are you thinking of having someone on stage redirecting the microphone as each speaker starts talking? It could work well, but you'd either lose the first few words each person in the audience said or need to go to a "hand raising/acknowledgement" to create a pause during which the microphone could be redirected. Yeah, but that is still way way way faster than walking across the room to hand someone a mike. -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
Larry McVoy wrote: Are you talking about one of those "eavesdropper" parabolic microphones? Are you thinking of having someone on stage redirecting the microphone as each speaker starts talking? It could work well, but you'd either lose the first few words each person in the audience said or need to go to a "hand raising/acknowledgement" to create a pause during which the microphone could be redirected. Yeah, but that is still way way way faster than walking across the room to hand someone a mike. I like this idea quite a bit. It would probably not be terribly expensive to rent/buy the required equipment, it would be easy to use and would not be terribly disruptive to the preceedings. I'm curious, didn't you find that those mikes are too directionally sensitive? I've noticed that the movement of the speaker by just an inch or two can cause major variations in signal reception (I've only tried that little plastic parabolic eavesdropping "toy" that was all the rage about two Christmasses ago -- there was one floating around my office). Miles - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
Miles Lane writes: There is one major shortcoming of the recordings. Usually, only the comments of the presenter(s) can be heard. The problem is that nobody wants to wait for one of the microphones to go across the entire room before they can begin speaking, this is what was happening. Sometimes there was a dialogue going on between three people sitting at tables, there were 2 microphones to go around... One solution I've seen sort of work is to have 2 standing fixed microphones in the isles, but this only really functions correctly for a QA type session after a presentation. It does not work in a relaxed "people sit at tables and comment at arbitrary points in time during a talk" setting such as the kernel summit. Besides putting a microphone at every table (which isn't all that practical honestly) I can't come up with a solution. Later, David S. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.
"David S. Miller" wrote: Miles Lane writes: There is one major shortcoming of the recordings. Usually, only the comments of the presenter(s) can be heard. The problem is that nobody wants to wait for one of the microphones to go across the entire room before they can begin speaking, this is what was happening. Sometimes there was a dialogue going on between three people sitting at tables, there were 2 microphones to go around... One solution I've seen sort of work is to have 2 standing fixed microphones in the isles, but this only really functions correctly for a QA type session after a presentation. It does not work in a relaxed "people sit at tables and comment at arbitrary points in time during a talk" setting such as the kernel summit. Besides putting a microphone at every table (which isn't all that practical honestly) I can't come up with a solution. I agree that this is another important issue. It's most important in these events that the flow and exchange of ideas proceed unhindered. I do believe there is a way to record the dialog without introducing significant impediments, though. What usually is done these days, when a few groups of people need to hold a conference call, for example, is that a few omni-directional microphones are used (these are the sort of spaceship-looking things that get placed in the center of a large table around which the groups sit). There are drawbacks with this, in that, for a large group, there's signal loss if current speaker does not face the microphone. However, these microphones do a pretty good job of picking up voice audio in a 360 degree radius. There would need to be some post-event sound mixing. For example, if you have ten tables, each with its own omni-directional table microphone, plus unidirectional microphones for the presenter(s), you'd need to mix the signals from the microphones or perhaps switch between the various microphone recordings and adjust for volume differences. You'd likely get the best recording from the table microphone a particular participant was sitting at. You'd also likely get much stronger signals from the presenter's microphone. What say you all? Cheers, Miles - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
