Re: [ANNOUNCE] New OMAP4 V4L2 Camera Project started
Hi, On Saturday 14 May 2011 01:23:34 Aguirre, Sergio wrote: > On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Sakari Ailus wrote: > > Aguirre, Sergio wrote: [snip] > > - As far as I understand, the OMAP 4 ISS is partially similar to the > > OMAP 3 one in design --- it has a hardware pipeline, that is. Fitting > > the bus receivers and the ISP under an Media controller graph looks > > relatively straightforward. The same might apply to SIMCOP, but then the > > question is: what kind of interface should the SIMCOP have? > > That's a big question :) And I'm yet not sure on that. I'll certainly need > to think about it, and probably start planning for RFCs. > > BTW, this driver is just implementing a super simple CSI2-A Rx -> MEM > pipeline so far. I started with this because i wanted to avoid wasting my > time on developing somethign huge, and having to do heavy rework after > reviews take place. > > > Being familiar with the history of the OMAP 3 ISP driver, I know this is > > not a small project. Still, starting to use the Media controller in an > > early phase would benefit the project in long run since the conversion > > can be avoided later. > > Agreed. > > > Which parts of the ISS require regular attention from the M3s? Is it the > > whole ISS or just the SIMCOP, for example? > > In theory, the whole ISS, which includes SIMCOP, cna be driven from either > A9 or M3 cores. > > Architecturally, it's better to keep the dedicated M3 cores for driving ISS, > and to save some considerable cycles from A9. Problem is, we have to deal > with IPC communication channels, and that might make the driver much more > complex and requiring much more software layers to be in place for that. The current syslink implementation includes a mandatory userspace layer and makes it impossible for drivers to communicate with the M3. I've heard rumour that this might change. Do you have more information ? > The long term vision about this is that, it might be good ot see how easy > is to keep a Media Controller device, which sends the pipeline and subdevice > configuration to M3 software, and just keep the Board specific and Usecases > in A9 side. > > Immediate problems are how to approach this with purely open source tools. > (As far as I know, it's so far only possible with TI proprietary compilers) gcc supports Cortex M3, doesn't it ? Is the limitation specific to your M3 software that uses TI proprietary compiler (not based on gcc I assume ?), or are there gcc-specific issues as well ? > So, it might definitely take this discussion to a much more complex level > and more complete analysis. Hopefully we can have a good discussion about > the long term future of this. > > So far, I'm just starting with the simple stuff, ISS CSI2 Rx interface :) > > > Ps. I have nothing against SoC camera, but when I look at the ISS > > overview diagram (section 8.1 in my TRM) I can't avoid thinking that > > this is exactly what the Media controller was created for. :-) > > The main reason why it started as a soc_camera is because I started this > driver in a 2.6.35 android kernel, and refused to backport all the Media > Controller patches to it :) > > But now being based in mainline, that's a different story. ;) As I've already mentioned, I believe the next step is to port the driver from soc_camera to the media controller. -- Regards, Laurent Pinchart -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: [ANNOUNCE] New OMAP4 V4L2 Camera Project started
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Sakari Ailus wrote: > Aguirre, Sergio wrote: >> Hi all, > > Hi, Sergio! Hi Sakari, > >> Just to let you know that I've just officially registered for a new >> project in the Pandaboard.org portal for OMAP4 v4l2 camera support. >> >> You can find it here: >> >> http://omiio.org/content/omap4-v4l2-camera >> >> And also, you can find the actual Gitorious project with the code here: >> >> https://www.gitorious.org/omap4-v4l2-camera >> >> If anyone is interested in contributing for this project, please let >> me know, so I can add you as a contributor to the project. > > I'm very, very happy to see a project to start implementing V4L2 support > for the OMAP 4 ISS!! Thanks, Sergio! I'm pretty excited about it too :) Thanks. > > A few comments: > > > - The driver is using videobuf. I wonder if the driver would benefit > more from videobuf2. > Sure, that's definitely one of the first targets. I'll migrate to it. > > - As far as I understand, the OMAP 4 ISS is partially similar to the > OMAP 3 one in design --- it has a hardware pipeline, that is. Fitting > the bus receivers and the ISP under an Media controller graph looks > relatively straightforward. The same might apply to SIMCOP, but then the > question is: what kind of interface should the SIMCOP have? That's a big question :) And I'm yet not sure on that. I'll certainly need to think about it, and probably start planning for RFCs. BTW, this driver is just implementing a super simple CSI2-A Rx -> MEM pipeline so far. I started with this because i wanted to avoid wasting my time on developing somethign huge, and having to do heavy rework after reviews take place. > > Being familiar with the history of the OMAP 3 ISP driver, I know this is > not a small project. Still, starting to use the Media controller in an > early phase would benefit the project in long run since the conversion > can be avoided later. Agreed. > > > Which parts of the ISS require regular attention from the M3s? Is it the > whole ISS or just the SIMCOP, for example? In theory, the whole ISS, which includes SIMCOP, cna be driven from either A9 or M3 cores. Architecturally, it's better to keep the dedicated M3 cores for driving ISS, and to save some considerable cycles from A9. Problem is, we have to deal with IPC communication channels, and that might make the driver much more complex and requiring much more software layers to be in place for that. The long term vision about this is that, it might be good ot see how easy is to keep a Media Controller device, which sends the pipeline and subdevice configuration to M3 software, and just keep the Board specific and Usecases in A9 side. Immediate problems are how to approach this with purely open source tools. (As far as I know, it's so far only possible with TI proprietary compilers) So, it might definitely take this discussion to a much more complex level and more complete analysis. Hopefully we can have a good discussion about the long term future of this. So far, I'm just starting with the simple stuff, ISS CSI2 Rx interface :) Kiitos! Thanks for the interest. Regards, Sergio > > Kind regards, > Sakari Ailus > > Ps. I have nothing against SoC camera, but when I look at the ISS > overview diagram (section 8.1 in my TRM) I can't avoid thinking that > this is exactly what the Media controller was created for. :-) The main reason why it started as a soc_camera is because I started this driver in a 2.6.35 android kernel, and refused to backport all the Media Controller patches to it :) But now being based in mainline, that's a different story. ;) > > -- > Sakari Ailus > sakari.ai...@iki.fi > -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: [ANNOUNCE] New OMAP4 V4L2 Camera Project started
Aguirre, Sergio wrote: > Hi all, Hi, Sergio! > Just to let you know that I've just officially registered for a new > project in the Pandaboard.org portal for OMAP4 v4l2 camera support. > > You can find it here: > > http://omiio.org/content/omap4-v4l2-camera > > And also, you can find the actual Gitorious project with the code here: > > https://www.gitorious.org/omap4-v4l2-camera > > If anyone is interested in contributing for this project, please let > me know, so I can add you as a contributor to the project. I'm very, very happy to see a project to start implementing V4L2 support for the OMAP 4 ISS!! Thanks, Sergio! A few comments: - The driver is using videobuf. I wonder if the driver would benefit more from videobuf2. - As far as I understand, the OMAP 4 ISS is partially similar to the OMAP 3 one in design --- it has a hardware pipeline, that is. Fitting the bus receivers and the ISP under an Media controller graph looks relatively straightforward. The same might apply to SIMCOP, but then the question is: what kind of interface should the SIMCOP have? Being familiar with the history of the OMAP 3 ISP driver, I know this is not a small project. Still, starting to use the Media controller in an early phase would benefit the project in long run since the conversion can be avoided later. Which parts of the ISS require regular attention from the M3s? Is it the whole ISS or just the SIMCOP, for example? Kind regards, Sakari Ailus Ps. I have nothing against SoC camera, but when I look at the ISS overview diagram (section 8.1 in my TRM) I can't avoid thinking that this is exactly what the Media controller was created for. :-) -- Sakari Ailus sakari.ai...@iki.fi -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: [ANNOUNCE] New OMAP4 V4L2 Camera Project started
On Thu, 12 May 2011, Aguirre, Sergio wrote: > Hi all, > > Just to let you know that I've just officially registered for a new > project in the Pandaboard.org portal for OMAP4 v4l2 camera support. > > You can find it here: > > http://omiio.org/content/omap4-v4l2-camera > > And also, you can find the actual Gitorious project with the code here: > > https://www.gitorious.org/omap4-v4l2-camera > > If anyone is interested in contributing for this project, please let > me know, so I can add you as a contributor to the project. I hope you're not going to keep an out-of-tree development for too long and are going to submit your code upstream as soon as possible, and will try to post your updates to the mainline as often as possible to minimize the fork. Thanks Guennadi --- Guennadi Liakhovetski, Ph.D. Freelance Open-Source Software Developer http://www.open-technology.de/ -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
[ANNOUNCE] New OMAP4 V4L2 Camera Project started
Hi all, Just to let you know that I've just officially registered for a new project in the Pandaboard.org portal for OMAP4 v4l2 camera support. You can find it here: http://omiio.org/content/omap4-v4l2-camera And also, you can find the actual Gitorious project with the code here: https://www.gitorious.org/omap4-v4l2-camera If anyone is interested in contributing for this project, please let me know, so I can add you as a contributor to the project. Regards, Sergio -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
