Re: ATI TV Wonder 650 PCI development
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Samuel Cantrell samuelcantr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I have an ATI TV Wonder 650 PCI card, and have started to work on the wiki page on LinuxTV.org regarding it. I want to *attempt* to write a driver for it (more like, take a look at the code and run), and have printed off some information on the wiki. I need to get pictures up of the card and lspci output, etc. Is there anyone else more experienced at writing drivers that could perhaps help? http: // www.linuxtv.org / pipermail / linux-dvb / 2007-October / 021228.html says that three pieces of documentation are missing. I've emailed Samsung regarding the tuner module on the card, as I could not find it on their website. I checked some of their affiliates as well, but still had no luck. I've emailed AMD/ATI regarding the card and technical documentation. Is it likely that that the tuner module has an XC3028 in it? In the same linux-dvb message thread noted above, someone speculated that there is a XC3028. As the v4l tree has XC3028 support, if this is true, wouldn't that help at least a little bit? The big issue with this board is not the tuner itself, but the PCI bridge. Developing the drivers for a bridge can take months of work, and unlike bridges from NXP or Conexant which are used in dozens of products, this bridge is only ever used in this one board by this one vendor. And in the cases of NXP and Conexant bridges, usually the person writing the driver for the bridge has real documentation. It just isn't worth any developer's effort to spend three months reverse engineering a bridge to an older and more obscure product with no supporting documentation (and three months as an estimate is what it would take an *experienced* LinuxTV developer who has worked on other bridges). There are just *much* better uses for developer resources. Also, not only is the bridge not supported, but neither is the demodulator (it's an ATI312). Again, no documentation and it's only used in that one hardware design, so it's not like the work would really help with other more popular products. Devin -- Devin J. Heitmueller - Kernel Labs http://www.kernellabs.com -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: ATI TV Wonder 650 PCI development
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Samuel Cantrell samuelcantr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I have an ATI TV Wonder 650 PCI card, and have started to work on the wiki page on LinuxTV.org regarding it. I want to *attempt* to write a driver for it (more like, take a look at the code and run), and have printed off some information on the wiki. I need to get pictures up of the card and lspci output, etc. Is there anyone else more experienced at writing drivers that could perhaps help? http: // www.linuxtv.org / pipermail / linux-dvb / 2007-October / 021228.html says that three pieces of documentation are missing. I've emailed Samsung regarding the tuner module on the card, as I could not find it on their website. I checked some of their affiliates as well, but still had no luck. I've emailed AMD/ATI regarding the card and technical documentation. Who did you contact? gpudriverdevsupport AT amd DOT com is the devel address you probably want. I looked into documentation for the newer theatre chips when I started at AMD, but unfortunately, I'm not sure how much we can release since we sold most of our multimedia IP to Marvell last year. I'm not sure what the status of the theatre chips is now. Documentation for the older theatre and theatre 200 asics was released under NDA years ago which resulted in the theatre support in the opensource radeon Xorg driver and gatos projects. Now that we a proper KMS driver for radeon, someone could port the old userspace theatre code to the kernel for proper v4l support on AIW radeon cards. Alex Is it likely that that the tuner module has an XC3028 in it? In the same linux-dvb message thread noted above, someone speculated that there is a XC3028. As the v4l tree has XC3028 support, if this is true, wouldn't that help at least a little bit? Thanks. Sam -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: ATI TV Wonder 650 PCI development
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Alex Deucher alexdeuc...@gmail.com wrote: Who did you contact? gpudriverdevsupport AT amd DOT com is the devel address you probably want. I looked into documentation for the newer theatre chips when I started at AMD, but unfortunately, I'm not sure how much we can release since we sold most of our multimedia IP to Marvell last year. I'm not sure what the status of the theatre chips is now. Documentation for the older theatre and theatre 200 asics was released under NDA years ago which resulted in the theatre support in the opensource radeon Xorg driver and gatos projects. Now that we a proper KMS driver for radeon, someone could port the old userspace theatre code to the kernel for proper v4l support on AIW radeon cards. Alex For what it's worth, I actually did have a contact at the ATI/AMD division that made the Theatre 312/314/316, and I was able to get access to both the docs and reference driver sources under NDA. However, the division in question was sold off to Broadcom, and I couldn't get the rights needed to do a GPL driver nor to get redistribution rights on the firmware. In fact, they couldn't even told me who actually *held* the rights for the reference driver code. At that point, I decided that it just wasn't worth the effort for such an obscure design. Devin -- Devin J. Heitmueller - Kernel Labs http://www.kernellabs.com -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: ATI TV Wonder 650 PCI development
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Devin Heitmueller dheitmuel...@kernellabs.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Alex Deucher alexdeuc...@gmail.com wrote: Who did you contact? gpudriverdevsupport AT amd DOT com is the devel address you probably want. I looked into documentation for the newer theatre chips when I started at AMD, but unfortunately, I'm not sure how much we can release since we sold most of our multimedia IP to Marvell last year. I'm not sure what the status of the theatre chips is now. Documentation for the older theatre and theatre 200 asics was released under NDA years ago which resulted in the theatre support in the opensource radeon Xorg driver and gatos projects. Now that we a proper KMS driver for radeon, someone could port the old userspace theatre code to the kernel for proper v4l support on AIW radeon cards. Alex For what it's worth, I actually did have a contact at the ATI/AMD division that made the Theatre 312/314/316, and I was able to get access to both the docs and reference driver sources under NDA. However, the division in question was sold off to Broadcom, and I couldn't get the rights needed to do a GPL driver nor to get redistribution rights on the firmware. In fact, they couldn't even told me who actually *held* the rights for the reference driver code. At that point, I decided that it just wasn't worth the effort for such an obscure design. Ah right, I meant Broadcom, not Marvell. Alex -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: ATI TV Wonder 650 PCI development
Perhaps we could contact Broadcom regarding the Theatre 312? Am I making too much of this? I do have a Pinnacle 800i which works with Linux, I was just also wanting to get this card to work. Should I just drop it? Thanks. Sam On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Alex Deucher alexdeuc...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Devin Heitmueller dheitmuel...@kernellabs.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Alex Deucher alexdeuc...@gmail.com wrote: Who did you contact? gpudriverdevsupport AT amd DOT com is the devel address you probably want. I looked into documentation for the newer theatre chips when I started at AMD, but unfortunately, I'm not sure how much we can release since we sold most of our multimedia IP to Marvell last year. I'm not sure what the status of the theatre chips is now. Documentation for the older theatre and theatre 200 asics was released under NDA years ago which resulted in the theatre support in the opensource radeon Xorg driver and gatos projects. Now that we a proper KMS driver for radeon, someone could port the old userspace theatre code to the kernel for proper v4l support on AIW radeon cards. Alex For what it's worth, I actually did have a contact at the ATI/AMD division that made the Theatre 312/314/316, and I was able to get access to both the docs and reference driver sources under NDA. However, the division in question was sold off to Broadcom, and I couldn't get the rights needed to do a GPL driver nor to get redistribution rights on the firmware. In fact, they couldn't even told me who actually *held* the rights for the reference driver code. At that point, I decided that it just wasn't worth the effort for such an obscure design. Ah right, I meant Broadcom, not Marvell. Alex -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: ATI TV Wonder 650 PCI development
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Samuel Cantrell samuelcantr...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps we could contact Broadcom regarding the Theatre 312? Am I making too much of this? I do have a Pinnacle 800i which works with Linux, I was just also wanting to get this card to work. Should I just drop it? Can't hurt to try, but I'm not sure how much luck you'll have. Alex Thanks. Sam On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Alex Deucher alexdeuc...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Devin Heitmueller dheitmuel...@kernellabs.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Alex Deucher alexdeuc...@gmail.com wrote: Who did you contact? gpudriverdevsupport AT amd DOT com is the devel address you probably want. I looked into documentation for the newer theatre chips when I started at AMD, but unfortunately, I'm not sure how much we can release since we sold most of our multimedia IP to Marvell last year. I'm not sure what the status of the theatre chips is now. Documentation for the older theatre and theatre 200 asics was released under NDA years ago which resulted in the theatre support in the opensource radeon Xorg driver and gatos projects. Now that we a proper KMS driver for radeon, someone could port the old userspace theatre code to the kernel for proper v4l support on AIW radeon cards. Alex For what it's worth, I actually did have a contact at the ATI/AMD division that made the Theatre 312/314/316, and I was able to get access to both the docs and reference driver sources under NDA. However, the division in question was sold off to Broadcom, and I couldn't get the rights needed to do a GPL driver nor to get redistribution rights on the firmware. In fact, they couldn't even told me who actually *held* the rights for the reference driver code. At that point, I decided that it just wasn't worth the effort for such an obscure design. Ah right, I meant Broadcom, not Marvell. Alex -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
