mdadm break / restore soft mirror

2007-12-12 Thread Brett Maton
Hi, 



  Question for you guys. 



  A brief history: 

  RHEL 4 AS 

  I have a partition with way to many small files on (Usually around a couple 
of million) that needs to be backed up, standard



  methods mean that a restore is impossibly slow due to the sheer volume of 
files. 

  Solution, raw backup /restore of the device.  However the partition is 
permanently being accessed. 



  Proposed solution is to use software raid mirror.  Before backup starts, 
break the soft mirror unmount and backup partition



  restore soft mirror and let it resync / rebuild itself. 



  Would the above intentional break/fix of the mirror cause any problems? 



Regards, 

Brett 



Brett Maton 

Linux Consultant 

RHCE #805007238628267 



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Re: mdadm break / restore soft mirror

2007-12-12 Thread Richard Scobie

Brett Maton wrote:
Hi, 

  Question for you guys. 

  A brief history: 
  RHEL 4 AS 
  I have a partition with way to many small files on (Usually around a couple of million) that needs to be backed up, standard


  methods mean that a restore is impossibly slow due to the sheer volume of files. 
  Solution, raw backup /restore of the device.  However the partition is permanently being accessed. 


  Proposed solution is to use software raid mirror.  Before backup starts, 
break the soft mirror unmount and backup partition

  restore soft mirror and let it resync / rebuild itself. 

  Would the above intentional break/fix of the mirror cause any problems? 



Is there a reason you can't use rsync to just update changes from the 
previous backup, once you have your initial one?


Regards,

Richard
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Re: mdadm break / restore soft mirror

2007-12-12 Thread Neil Brown
On Wednesday December 12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi, 
 
   Question for you guys. 
 
   A brief history: 
   RHEL 4 AS 
   I have a partition with way to many small files on (Usually around a couple 
 of million) that needs to be backed up, standard
 
   methods mean that a restore is impossibly slow due to the sheer volume of 
 files. 
   Solution, raw backup /restore of the device.  However the partition is 
 permanently being accessed. 
 
   Proposed solution is to use software raid mirror.  Before backup starts, 
 break the soft mirror unmount and backup partition
 
   restore soft mirror and let it resync / rebuild itself. 
 
   Would the above intentional break/fix of the mirror cause any problems? 

No, it should work fine.

If you can be certain that the device that you break out of the mirror
is never altered, then you could add an internal bitmap while the
array is split and the rebuild will go much faster.
However even mounting a device readonly will sometimes alter the
content (e.g. if ext3 needs to replay the journal) so you need to be
very careful.

NeilBrown
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Re: mdadm break / restore soft mirror

2007-12-12 Thread Jeff Breidenbach
Proposed solution is to use software raid mirror.  Before backup starts,
break the soft mirror unmount and backup partition

I use this method for backup once a week.

One challenge is drives aren't great at steaming data quickly (for the resync)
while also doing a lot of random access. Having a little extra redundancy (think
3 or more drives in the RAID-1) can really help.

If you can be certain that the device that you break out of the mirror
is never altered, then you could add an internal bitmap while the
array is split and the rebuild will go much faster.

Is this also a viable speedup for the kep rotating backup drives through
the array strategy? If so, how much speedup are we talking about? Assume
the array changes by 1% before a backup drive gets rotated in again.

Jeff
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RE: mdadm break / restore soft mirror

2007-12-12 Thread Brett Maton
Proposed solution is to use software raid mirror.  Before backup starts,

break the soft mirror unmount and backup partition



I use this method for backup once a week.



One challenge is drives aren't great at steaming data quickly (for the resync)

while also doing a lot of random access. Having a little extra redundancy 
(think

3 or more drives in the RAID-1) can really help.



If you can be certain that the device that you break out of the mirror

is never altered, then you could add an internal bitmap while the

array is split and the rebuild will go much faster.



When the device is split from the mirror it will only be read as a raw device 
by the backup

software (NetBackup) and not actually mounted during the process so it really 
shouldn't be

modified in anyway at all.

Also during the backup window files will only be being created on remaining 
device (reports pdf's) so random access shouldn't be a problem either.



How do I create the internal bitmap?  man mdadm didn't shed any light and my 
brief excursion into google wasn't much more helpful.



The version I have installed is mdadm-1.12.0-5.i386 from RedHat which would 
appear to be way out of date!



Thanks for you help,

Brett

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