Re: Promotional event for the average person
I don't know much about the average person, but I have had a lot of experience of being a below average person. I use Linux because I am too dumb to figure out Windows, and have done so since 3.11 days. The average to below average user does not use an Operating System - they use a collection of software. The dilemma with Linux is that there is an incomprehensibly huge amount of software and so when a newbie sticks in a disc and clicks install everything they are confronted by forty applications that can look at the photos in their camera, more email things than they have so far had emails, twenty music playing things from the subliminal to the next generation for the recording industry. On most distros I have tried - a week after mastering an elaborate piece of copylefted free and free software - I can't even find it and before I have finished looking for it I have got the job done with something I have never seen before and may never see again. Without a home folder ??? if Linux apps saved everything in a pocket of itself - I shudder to think or I have to think to shudder. So I got little white e which is great - nothing works to perfection but if you want to play music it does without trying to ramp up the old IQ, gets emails, buys and sells shit on trade me, it does not even invite me to understands its OS, personally I don't even know why I have to have an OS, I am sure they would run lots better without one in the back ground demanding to be upgraded and downdated, understood and all that sort of thing. What I want and usually get is a distro I can stuff in a machine, give it a bit of foreplay in the bios cimos department push go and get up and running without learning anything and keeping my stupidity and lack of understanding intact. That is the future Go Linux Nick Rout wrote: I used to be a gentoo devotee and a kde fanboy. However I switched to ubuntu (and therefore gnome) because it installed and worked (mostly) without complete futzing around. the move to gnome was easy. Mostly people are clicking on a button to start a program, thats the same in win/kde/gnome, just as long as someone points out the start|K|applications menu. Once the program has started, firefox is the same in all environments, all mail programs look more or less the same (3 panes, message preview, click a message to read it). There, we've covered 90% of what people do on their computers - web browsing and email. And only an idiot couldn't find the web browser and email client in the average linux install, kde or gnome based.
Re: Feb meeting...
On Monday 19 January 2009 19:05:51 Steve Holdoway wrote: any details yet?? No, nothing. Therefore can't help but wonder if I should cancel the venue booking, and let CLUG return to being just an email-list operation. Comments please CLUGgers. Note that I personally cannot do anymore program organizing, because I will be away for the winter, and as I may well be leaving the country permanently life is just too busy at the moment, and anyway I think I've done my bit. -- With Sincerity, Christopher Sawtell
mandriva2009 kde4
Got it off apc dvd for jan. It looked very impressive as a live cd. I installed it tonight on a new ptn... BUT No root login.(mandriva setup?) How do I get root access to dolphin/konqueror to do some customising? (kde problem I think) Only sees an ethernet card, not the usb connection to the bb modem (package missing?) I can not unpack the .gz file on the cd i burnt for the install, which contains the pkgs, with what has been installed. Any help will be appreciated Barry
Re: mandriva2009 kde4
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:48:50 +1300 Barry Marchant wrote: Got it off apc dvd for jan. It looked very impressive as a live cd. I installed it tonight on a new ptn... BUT No root login.(mandriva setup?) Root login is disabled by default. I think this is case for most distributions. However, you can enable it by booting into failsafe mode, typing 'init 3', logging in as root, and running 'startx' from there, then modifying the login system. How do I get root access to dolphin/konqueror to do some customising? (kde problem I think) Why do you think you need root to do this? There are settings options to both from the drop-down menus. Only sees an ethernet card, not the usb connection to the bb modem (package missing?) It will depend on the particular modem, have you tried watching syslog when you plug the device in to see what is detected? Overall, I understand that USB modems are generally considered as 'badthings(tm)' I can not unpack the .gz file on the cd i burnt for the install, which contains the pkgs, with what has been installed. That file only contains a list of the packages installed, not the packages themselves. Any help will be appreciated John
Re: Feb meeting...
I manage to attend meetings regularly last year (and thoroughly enjoyed all of them), but I'm now traveling a lot and can't commit to being a regular... but I'd hate to think the opportunity to connect with the like-minded was gone. The world doesn't need another email support list - it needs a place where we can share war stories face to face. Just a suggestion... are we thinking too hard about this? Maybe we just drop down to having a monthly social gathering. Just put the kettle on, put in a few bucks for biccys and stand around and chat. Go home after an hour if thats what you want to do. Maybe someone would even bring a few beers along (and yes I'm sure the fun police will restrict that!). As long as someone (take turns?) commits to being there to put the kettle on, nothing else formal should be required. Long Live Clug! - David On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Christopher Sawtell csawt...@gmail.comwrote: On Monday 19 January 2009 19:05:51 Steve Holdoway wrote: any details yet?? No, nothing. Therefore can't help but wonder if I should cancel the venue booking, and let CLUG return to being just an email-list operation. Comments please CLUGgers. Note that I personally cannot do anymore program organizing, because I will be away for the winter, and as I may well be leaving the country permanently life is just too busy at the moment, and anyway I think I've done my bit. -- With Sincerity, Christopher Sawtell
Re: Feb meeting...
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:32 AM, David Lowe da...@thistledown.co.nz wrote: I manage to attend meetings regularly last year (and thoroughly enjoyed all of them), but I'm now traveling a lot and can't commit to being a regular... but I'd hate to think the opportunity to connect with the like-minded was gone. The world doesn't need another email support list - it needs a place where we can share war stories face to face. Just a suggestion... are we thinking too hard about this? Maybe we just drop down to having a monthly social gathering. Just put the kettle on, put in a few bucks for biccys and stand around and chat. Go home after an hour if thats what you want to do. Maybe someone would even bring a few beers along (and yes I'm sure the fun police will restrict that!). As long as someone (take turns?) commits to being there to put the kettle on, nothing else formal should be required. Long Live Clug! Lets emulate DunLUG and just meet regularly at a pub. No cost, drink and eat what you want/can afford. Those who tell the best lies^h^h^h^h war stories win!
ubuntu wireless with aes
Hi, I'm looking for list wisdom/experience on making wireless connections using wpa2 with AES. ubuntu 8.04, lspci says the network controller is Intel Pro/Wireless 2200BG, connecting to a wrt54gl. I am successful with network manager if encryption is TKIP+AES, but as soon as I attempt AES only the connection attempts will fail. apt tells me that wpasupplicant is already the newest version. Comments on TKIP+AES vs TKIP vs AES alone would also be welcome, since perhaps TKIP+AES is generally very adequate, being more than TKIP alone? Cheers, Roger
Re: ubuntu wireless with aes
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Roger Searle ro...@stepahead.org.nz wrote: Comments on TKIP+AES vs TKIP vs AES alone would also be welcome, since perhaps TKIP+AES is generally very adequate, being more than TKIP alone? What are you protecting against? What devices are you going to connect to the network? The smaller devices that want to connect to wireless networks (I'm thinking of phones and games consoles) can't always do all of the fancy encryption. So make sure that you know what they're going to support before getting carried away. All encryption mechanisms are vulnerable to different attacks, the ones that are safe now will be crackable in a few months time. And as a general rule, firmware can't be upgraded quickly enough to react. So if you really want to be secure, you should not trust the wireless encryption alone. If all you have is larger devices (i.e. Linux, OS X or Windows machines) then you can downgrade the security state of the network itself, possibly even leaving it open (which makes it easy for friends to use their kit at your place). Run a VPN (IPSec is also supported in some smaller devices, like iPhones) from each machine back to a server, and tell your firewall to block or rate-limit anything that isn't VPNd. There is also another guideline -- which is to not become too paranoid. In general, there are so few people out there who really want to leech bandwidth, and so many open networks, that even WEP is effective at convincing them to leave you alone. But WEP is trivially crackable, so any WPA2 at this stage should be enough to raise the bar enough to make them move on. You can't make a 'perfect' network, so don't worry about it too much :-) -jim
Re: Feb meeting...
Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Monday 19 January 2009 19:05:51 Steve Holdoway wrote: any details yet?? No, nothing. Therefore can't help but wonder if I should cancel the venue booking, and let CLUG return to being just an email-list operation. Greetings all. I have recently returned to Christchurch, and joined the list a few weeks ago. I'd like to go to a meeting now and then. On the other hand, I haven't been to any yet so I don't know what they are like :-) I'd go along with the suggestion of a pub or cafe someplace and take it from there. I can't suggest any place in particular - I haven't frequented the local hostelries since - well, I remember I was wearing an onion in my belt, because it was the fashion at the time ... Comments please CLUGgers. Note that I personally cannot do anymore program organizing, because I will be away for the winter, and as I may well be leaving the country permanently life is just too busy at the moment, and anyway I think I've done my bit. don begin:vcard fn:Don Robertson n:Robertson;Don adr:;;;Christchurch;;;New Zealand email;internet:d...@robertson.net.nz tel;cell:64 021 294 1452 version:2.1 end:vcard
