Re: Pronounce sudo
So when did you get my wife? and she'd add on clean up the doggy doos too! (we have 2 dogs here - sigh) On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:11:16 John Carter wrote: On Wed, 9 Sep 2009, Robert Fisher wrote: Today I came across a reminder of the meaning of sudo super user do So how should it be pronounced? soo-doo or soo-dough Dough make me a sandwich just wouldn't make sense! http://xkcd.com/149/ Sue, do make me a sandwich. Now if I just had a wife called Sue who always did what I told her to do... Talk about an impossible dream. :-)) Trouble is, if this Mythical unix Sue is anything like my wife... It'll be, make sandwich make: only you can make sandwich. Lazy toad. sudo make sandwich [sudo] password for johnc: please Sorry, try again. [sudo] password for johnc: I'll take the rubbish out. [sudo] And bring in the washing while you're out there! John Carter Phone : (64)(3) 358 6639 Tait ElectronicsFax : (64)(3) 359 4632 PO Box 1645 ChristchurchEmail : john.car...@tait.co.nz New Zealand
Re: Pronounce sudo
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Robert Fisher rob...@fisher.net.nz wrote: Today I came across a reminder of the meaning of sudo super user do So how should it be pronounced? soo-doo or soo-dough I pronounce it somewhat akin to pseudo ( That is , with a silent p ) Which I guess was part of the joke behind the name. :) -- Kent perl -e print substr( \edrgmaM SPA nocomil.i...@tfrken\, \$_ * 3, 3 ) for ( 9,8,0,7,1,6,5,4,3,2 ); http://kent-fredric.fox.geek.nz
Telstra slow download from some sites?
Greetings, Is it just me, or has telstra cable in got a rusty pipe somewhere? Not everywhere, but to/from a number of places in the US at least. I.e. using speedtest.net Local CHC speed 2.9Mb/s down, 1.74Mb/s up - fine. Los Angeles 3.3Mb down 1.8 up Boston 4.6/1.14 but... SanJose 0.05Mb/s down 0.7Mb/s up -- Eliot
Re: Pronounce sudo
Round here, when I am already root, and want to run dolphin which for some strange reason barfs up if I forget the sudo it is pronounced 'bugger' Robert Fisher wrote: Today I came across a reminder of the meaning of sudo super user do So how should it be pronounced? soo-doo or soo-dough
free tertiary textbooks
for anyone who's interested - bookboon.com has free ebooks for students. Someone might find it useful (and disclaimer - no, I'm not affiliated in any way to bookboon.com. A database researcher, Hugh Darwen, mentioned his new book on this site, and I naturally was interested.) Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - George Kelischek - To impress those high-tech computer types, tell them what an Ocarina really is: an animal-activated-solid-state-multi-frequency-sound-synthesizer. - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people.
Re: measurement software for electrical networks?
Thanks - it may have helped. I'll take a look at the logs much later today. I dropped the speed from 115200 to 57600 and it's a little bit more reliable now, but only by a fraction, not at all by a magnitude. Thanks everybody for your help. Wesley Parish On Tue, 08 Sep 2009, Ross Drummond wrote: On Tuesday 08 September 2009, Wesley Parish wrote: Well, for what it's worth, it's not getting any better; and I have disproved a couple of contentions of the amateurs I've talked to so far at Telecom and Paradise.net.nz - I've used the second jackpoint in the flat, and it's still falling over like a drunk with half a keg of vodka inside of him; and I've just upgraded the PC - and the connection's still falling over like aforementioned drunk. Wesley Parish I see you have a Paradise email address. This means that your connections will be through Telstra Clear's Lucent remote access server. Go to this archived message and apply the work around suggested there; http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz/msg50654.html If that fails to work append the line debug to your /etc/ppp/options file. This will output a lot of stuff to your /var/log/messages file and may give you a clue about what is going on. Cheers Ross Drummond -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - George Kelischek - To impress those high-tech computer types, tell them what an Ocarina really is: an animal-activated-solid-state-multi-frequency-sound-synthesizer. - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people.
Perl Users?
Hey, I'm bored. I'm guessing there's not a lot of people on the ML who this applies to, but I figured, Hey, if they're having a python *conference* here, maybe theres enough of us Perl users to get into our own thing like. ( I also note its sponsored by catalyst.net.nz, who seem to have /some/ Perl leanings, esp w/ wellington pm ) There's wellington and auckland .pm groups, but eh, they're on the other island. I've been toting a Little-Brittain esque I'm the only Perl user in my village line on the various IRC networks for a while now, and I figure it a good time to see if that claim is a valid one. http://search.cpan.org/~kentnl/ # This is me, and I'm kentnl on MAGnet/ irc.perl.org , and kent\n on freenode. Any of you out there I'd love to hear about so I can stop feeling like such an alien :) ( I seriously googled, and I came up bare handed, ) For the rest of you, especially of you programmingngy inclined, if you ain't checked out Perl yet, or even haven't doven into it recently, I humbly request you take a gander at - http://www.perl.org/books/beginning-perl/ # A free EBook/Set of PDFS - http://search.cpan.org/dist/Moose # The latest and greatest Object Oriented system for Perl - http://www.catalystframework.org/ # The Perl competition to Rails. - http://search.cpan.org/dist/MooseX-Declare # A much more powerful way to use Moose via creating new syntax for Perl in Perl. out/ -- Kent perl -e print substr( \edrgmaM SPA nocomil.i...@tfrken\, \$_ * 3, 3 ) for ( 9,8,0,7,1,6,5,4,3,2 ); http://kent-fredric.fox.geek.nz
Re: Pronounce sudo
Jim Cheetham wrote, On 09/09/09 17:04: On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Robert Fisherrob...@fisher.net.nz wrote: So how should it be pronounced? soo-doo or soo-dough S U do I concur with Jim - Ess You Doo Mind you - we normally type these commands, or read them. Very rarely do we say them out loud. Others in the same region: fsck fissik/eff ess check/eff sik gcc gee sea sea / ? ssh ess ess aitch / shhh / shoosh wgetdoubleyou get / wuh-get strace ess-strace / strace / street race Opposites - commands with no ambiguity in pronunciation grep sed awl perl make telnet elinks -- Craig Falconer
Re: Telstra slow download from some sites?
Eliot Blennerhassett wrote, On 09/09/09 20:45: Is it just me, or has telstra cable in got a rusty pipe somewhere? Not everywhere, but to/from a number of places in the US at least. I.e. using speedtest.net Local CHC speed 2.9Mb/s down, 1.74Mb/s up - fine. Los Angeles 3.3Mb down 1.8 up Boston 4.6/1.14 but... SanJose 0.05Mb/s down 0.7Mb/s up Works fine for me. DownUp (Mbit) Latency (ms) christchurch48.16 2.3760 wellington 12.01 1.72190 (no peering - internat.) auckland44.03 2.3583 san jose4.311.31189 san francisco 16.51.86191 los angeles 15.10 1.60191 boston 13.46 1.92234 Nowever san jose is noticeably slower.Perhaps SmugMug just isn't up to running a test server? Looks like its them, not you. ...Just did a retest and got 47.9/1.86 Mbit. Yay for the internet. -- Craig Falconer
Re: measurement software for electrical networks?
Wesley Parish wrote, On 10/09/09 01:19: I dropped the speed from 115200 to 57600 and it's a little bit more reliable now, but only by a fraction, not at all by a magnitude. That's your DTE/DCE speed, between modem and computer. The recommendation was to use AT commands to limit the connect to 33.6 http://www.modemsite.com/56K/x2-linklimit.asp might help. -- Craig Falconer
Re: Pronounce sudo
On Wed, 9 Sep 2009, Kent Fredric wrote: So how should it be pronounced? soo-doo or soo-dough I pronounce it somewhat akin to pseudo ( That is , with a silent p ) Which I guess was part of the joke behind the name. :) Nah! That would just sound... well, sound, umm, well, unauthentic and fake! :-)) John Carter Phone : (64)(3) 358 6639 Tait ElectronicsFax : (64)(3) 359 4632 PO Box 1645 ChristchurchEmail : john.car...@tait.co.nz New Zealand
RoR tutorials for *nix systems
Hi I'm keen on taking a look at Ruby on Rails and am after some linux specific real world tutorials ie no hello world type tuts. Most of the tutorials I have come across so far have been for Windows systems and are using gui's. I would much rather learn from the command line so I get more appreciation on what is going on. I have an interest in building web apps so anything along that line would be appreciated. Regards, Kerry
Re: Perl Users?
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009, Kent Fredric wrote: I've been toting a Little-Brittain esque I'm the only Perl user in my village line on the various IRC networks for a while now, and I figure it a good time to see if that claim is a valid one. I used perl for years in a previous life... but found it was a maintenance nightmare. So I moved to Ruby a few years ago and I'm never going back. Do yourself a favour and move too. Sort of like There was one other Perl user in the village, but he/she changed sex and now won't speak to me. :-) John Carter Phone : (64)(3) 358 6639 Tait ElectronicsFax : (64)(3) 359 4632 PO Box 1645 ChristchurchEmail : john.car...@tait.co.nz New Zealand
Re: RoR tutorials for *nix systems
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Nick Routnick.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Kerryke...@katipo.net.nz wrote: Hi I'm keen on taking a look at Ruby on Rails and am after some linux specific real world tutorials ie no hello world type tuts. Most of the tutorials I have come across so far have been for Windows systems and are using gui's. I would much rather learn from the command line so I get more appreciation on what is going on. I have an interest in building web apps so anything along that line would be appreciated. Not sure if this is any good? ooops url http://www.sitepoint.com/article/learn-ruby-on-rails/
Re: Pronounce sudo
Jim Cheetham wrote, On 09/09/09 17:04: On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Robert Fisherrob...@fisher.net.nz wrote: So how should it be pronounced? soo-doo or soo-dough S U do I concur with Jim - Ess You Doo Mind you - we normally type these commands, or read them. Very rarely do we say them out loud. When I posed the question I wondered if it was a bit silly but it has prompted some inteligent answers. Thanks. Nice to know CLUG is still alive and well.
Re: RoR tutorials for *nix systems
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009, Kerry wrote: Hi I'm keen on taking a look at Ruby on Rails and am after some linux specific real world tutorials ie no hello world type tuts. Most of the tutorials I have come across so far have been for Windows systems and are using gui's. I would much rather learn from the command line so I get more appreciation on what is going on. I have an interest in building web apps so anything along that line would be appreciated. Regards, Kerry Try, (thanks Nevyn) http://www.linuxlinks.com/ article/20090405061458383/20oftheBestFreeLinuxBooks-Part1.html Sorry about the split address. Phil. -- Philip Charles; 39a Paterson Street, Abbotsford, Dunedin, New Zealand +64 3 488 2818Fax +64 3 488 2875Mobile 027 663 4453 phil...@copyleft.co.nz - personal.i...@copyleft.co.nz - business
Re: Pronounce sudo
Craig Falconer wrote: Mind you - we normally type these commands, or read them. Very rarely do we say them out loud. Others in the same region: fsck fissik/eff ess check/eff sik gccgee sea sea / ? sshess ess aitch / shhh / shoosh wgetdoubleyou get / wuh-get straceess-strace / strace / street race The one that got me the first time I heard someone say it, and still does, is the folder /etc. I had always imagined it pronounced as eee tea see, and is how it still is in my head. Hearing it as etcetera is just wrong, to my ear! Cheers, Roger
Re: Pronounce sudo
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Roger Searle ro...@stepahead.org.nzwrote: Craig Falconer wrote: Mind you - we normally type these commands, or read them. Very rarely do we say them out loud. Others in the same region: fsck fissik/eff ess check/eff sik gccgee sea sea / ? sshess ess aitch / shhh / shoosh wgetdoubleyou get / wuh-get straceess-strace / strace / street race The one that got me the first time I heard someone say it, and still does, is the folder /etc. I had always imagined it pronounced as eee tea see, and is how it still is in my head. Hearing it as etcetera is just wrong, to my ear! Why, its a common abbreviation and you don't even have to be a nerd to understand it!
Re: Pronounce sudo
Roger Searle wrote: The one that got me the first time I heard someone say it, and still does, is the folder /etc. I had always imagined it pronounced as eee tea see, and is how it still is in my head. Hearing it as etcetera is just wrong, to my ear! More than twenty years ago, my operating systems professor pronounced it 'et-see'. I found it grating at first, but it's so much shorter than etcetera, and I found myself picking it up. Now, it sounds just as normal as 'grep', 'awk', 'sed', and 'sudo'.
Re: Pronounce sudo
Nick Rout wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Roger Searle ro...@stepahead.org.nz mailto:ro...@stepahead.org.nz wrote: Craig Falconer wrote: Mind you - we normally type these commands, or read them. Very rarely do we say them out loud. Others in the same region: fsck fissik/eff ess check/eff sik gccgee sea sea / ? sshess ess aitch / shhh / shoosh wgetdoubleyou get / wuh-get straceess-strace / strace / street race The one that got me the first time I heard someone say it, and still does, is the folder /etc. I had always imagined it pronounced as eee tea see, and is how it still is in my head. Hearing it as etcetera is just wrong, to my ear! Why, its a common abbreviation and you don't even have to be a nerd to understand it! Only because it was a long time until I heard anyone pronounce it as etcetera, having always thought of it internally as the letters. I have no knowledge of the origins of the folder name. So to borrow Robert's question from this morning, how would people say the folder /etc out loud?
Re: Pronounce sudo
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009, Roger Searle wrote: Nick Rout wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Roger Searle ro...@stepahead.org.nz mailto:ro...@stepahead.org.nz wrote: Craig Falconer wrote: Mind you - we normally type these commands, or read them. Very rarely do we say them out loud. Others in the same region: fsck fissik/eff ess check/eff sik gccgee sea sea / ? sshess ess aitch / shhh / shoosh wgetdoubleyou get / wuh-get straceess-strace / strace / street race The one that got me the first time I heard someone say it, and still does, is the folder /etc. I had always imagined it pronounced as eee tea see, and is how it still is in my head. Hearing it as etcetera is just wrong, to my ear! Why, its a common abbreviation and you don't even have to be a nerd to understand it! Only because it was a long time until I heard anyone pronounce it as etcetera, having always thought of it internally as the letters. I have no knowledge of the origins of the folder name. So to borrow Robert's question from this morning, how would people say the folder /etc out loud? et-cet Phil. -- Philip Charles; 39a Paterson Street, Abbotsford, Dunedin, New Zealand +64 3 488 2818Fax +64 3 488 2875Mobile 027 663 4453 phil...@copyleft.co.nz - personal.i...@copyleft.co.nz - business
Re: Pronounce sudo
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Roger Searlero...@stepahead.org.nz wrote: So to borrow Robert's question from this morning, how would people say the folder /etc out loud? E T C ... so /etc/hosts becomes E T C hosts -jim
Re: Perl Users?
On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 06:22 +1200, Kent Fredric wrote: Hey, I'm bored. Any of you out there I'd love to hear about so I can stop feeling like such an alien :) ( I seriously googled, and I came up bare handed, ) Not a programmer myself, but I've used PERL in the past, mainly for data transfer and transformation. In the mid '90s was, to my knowledge, the only scripting language that could be used without much variations on VMS, NetWare/Novell, HP-UX, Solaris, ICL-NX, SCO and Win*, so I found it to be the option of choice for a data integration project. Plus it provided satisfactory connectivity layer - at the time - for most RDBMSs. Ok, maybe not for Oracle, but that was manageable through API calls. Since then I used it successfully for big chunks of the ETL component in two past data warehouse projects and just recently I used it to do a data migration for a charity organisation. Learning it was a winning bet for me because later I found it was supported - and still is, sometimes through generators - by most data integration products and ETLs, both proprietary and open source like Talend with its variation Kettle. I didn't find it hard to maintain, but the disclaimer here is that I used it almost exclusively for a single purpose - data processing - hence it wasn't hard to stick to a discipline in file organisation, coding and commenting the scripts. Adrian
Re: Pronounce sudo
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009, Craig Falconer wrote: fsck fissik/eff ess check/eff sik I dare say all of these things have interest and different connotations in different languages. All unixy Afrikaners I knew pronounced fsck as Voertsek (V having a sort of F sound in that language.) It is an insulting term only appropriate for telling a dog to get lost. When used on humans it's liable to provoke an instant fight. A useful word, hard for native English speakers to pronounce, but a grreat one to shout in anger. Your disk has been not been cleanly unmounted...(and the system is going to whirr and click for the next fifteen minutes whilst inanely insisting you sit there all the time typing y y y y y y) AG VVOEERRRTSEK! John Carter Phone : (64)(3) 358 6639 Tait ElectronicsFax : (64)(3) 359 4632 PO Box 1645 ChristchurchEmail : john.car...@tait.co.nz New Zealand
Re: RoR tutorials for *nix systems
Thought from the title you wanted a Rate of Return tutorial 2009/9/10 Kerry ke...@katipo.net.nz: Hi I'm keen on taking a look at Ruby on Rails and am after some linux specific Regards, Kerry Regards Kerry
Re: Perl Users?
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:58 AM, John Carter john.car...@tait.co.nz wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009, Kent Fredric wrote:
I've been toting a Little-Brittain esque I'm the only Perl user in
my village line on the various IRC networks for a while now, and I
figure it a good time to see if that claim is a valid one.
I used perl for years in a previous life... but found it was a
maintenance nightmare.
So I moved to Ruby a few years ago and I'm never going back.
Do yourself a favour and move too.
Sort of like There was one other Perl user in the village, but he/she
changed sex and now won't speak to me. :-)
Oh noes. =)
Granted some of the older perl is a bit nasty. But things are changing
muchly of late.
For instance, this is valid Perl, no source filters!
use 5.010;
use MooseX::Declare;
class OtherClass {
has 'attribute' = (
isa = 'Str',
required = 1,
is = 'rw',
);
method otherClass ( Int $foo ) {
print $self-attribute . $foo;
}
}
role Squashable {
requires 'squash';
method do_squash {
$self-squash;
}
}
class Example extends OtherClass with Squashable {
method squash ( ) {
say Squashed;
}
}
my $i = Example-new( attribute = Hello );
$i-do_squash; # prints 'Squashed';
$i-otherClass(1); # prints 'Hello' ;
$-otherClass(World); # Validation failure, world is not an Int.
So... not even Bi-Curious?
( I have my own reservations about ruby, it shall be interesting when the
majority of projects using it are not new code, but the maintenance of
existing code, I have used it, and am relatively well versed in it, but
these days Perl is *more* fun :D. )
John Carter Phone : (64)(3) 358 6639
Tait ElectronicsFax : (64)(3) 359 4632
PO Box 1645 ChristchurchEmail : john.car...@tait.co.nz
New Zealand
--
Kent
perl -e print substr( \edrgmaM SPA nocomil.i...@tfrken\, \$_ * 3, 3 )
for ( 9,8,0,7,1,6,5,4,3,2 );
http://kent-fredric.fox.geek.nz
Re: Perl Users?
2009/9/10 Adrian Mageanu adrian.mage...@totalimex.com: On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 06:22 +1200, Kent Fredric wrote: Any of you out there I'd love to hear about so I can stop feeling like such an alien :) ( I seriously googled, and I came up bare handed, ) Since then I used it successfully for big chunks of the ETL component in two past data warehouse projects and just recently I used it to do a data migration for a charity organisation. Learning it was a winning bet for me because later I found it was supported - and still is, sometimes through generators - by most data integration products and ETLs, both proprietary and open source like Talend with its variation Kettle. I have used Perl extensively for sys admin tasks in the past, and recently (within the last 2 years) for ETL type stuff too... Adrian - I agree that it is the most portable option across the *nix platformsand that my little bag of Perl scripts moves with me from job to job and can easily be adapted to different platforms and varying tasks. I've found it to be thoroughly documented, really well thought through and an excellent option for system administrators. Perl can be written with OO style, however I've only ever needed to use it in a very procedural script like sense. In terms of ETL, the only reason I have used it is because I was forced to help in an emergency situation where something needed to be done yesterday, and certain 'architects' still feel that 'persisting data' means sending CSV files over FTP where they can be parsed by ... something ... and kept ... somewhere. This is not the time for a rant about SOA...and providing RESTful interfaces for data access/manipulation. I'm quite keen to learn Python (and Django) but alas the available time is limited, and other things keep getting in the way. I'm new to this list so should probably introduce myself... I've been living in Christchurch for about 18 months, was on the road for a while prior to that, and have pretty much grown up and spent most of my life in Sydney. I work for an Australian telco, based in my home office. Most of my professional life in the ICT industry has been spent as a sys admin of Linux (RHEL), Tru64, Solaris systems and also as a hacky DBA of Oracle and MySQL databases. In the last 2 years I have given most of that away to focus on ... writing code. I've primarily been writing PHP in the Symfony MVC framework, and occasionally some Java based web service clients. I like beer. I like mountain bikes. I like not commuting for 2.5 hours a day ... like I used to do in Sydney... nuff said. -Abhinav
Re: Perl Users?
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Brett Davidson br...@net24.co.nz wrote: Kent Fredric wrote: Hey, I'm bored. I'm guessing there's not a lot of people on the ML who this applies to, but I figured, Hey, if they're having a python *conference* here, maybe theres enough of us Perl users to get into our own thing like. ( I also note its sponsored by catalyst.net.nz http://catalyst.net.nz, who seem to have /some/ Perl leanings, esp w/ wellington pm ) There's wellington and auckland .pm groups, but eh, they're on the other island. I've been toting a Little-Brittain esque I'm the only Perl user in my village line on the various IRC networks for a while now, and I figure it a good time to see if that claim is a valid one. http://search.cpan.org/~kentnl/ http://search.cpan.org/%7Ekentnl/ http://search.cpan.org/%7Ekentnl/ # This is me, and I'm kentnl on MAGnet/irc.perl.org http://irc.perl.org , and kent\n on freenode. Any of you out there I'd love to hear about so I can stop feeling like such an alien :) ( I seriously googled, and I came up bare handed, ) I still dabble in Perl however my usage is rather lightweight - I mainly use it for system administration scripts as it runs on almost any platform I can think of. Have considered learning Ruby at some stage but there is no need at present. There's two of us little green men! Hi 15! ( thats all 3 arms ) Shall we gang up and take John to Optimization club? ...er .. I mean, I'm not supposed to talk about optimization club. Cheers, Brat -- Kent perl -e print substr( \edrgmaM SPA nocomil.i...@tfrken\, \$_ * 3, 3 ) for ( 9,8,0,7,1,6,5,4,3,2 ); http://kent-fredric.fox.geek.nz
Re: RoR tutorials for *nix systems
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Kerryke...@katipo.net.nz wrote: Hi I'm keen on taking a look at Ruby on Rails and am after some linux specific real world tutorials ie no hello world type tuts. There's not much linux-specific stuff in Ruby on Rails, to be honest. Just run the webrick server from the command line in one window, run the debugger in another (if you have any breakpoints defined) and you should be good to go. Don't bother trying to integrate into apache while you're learning the thing, just use webrick directly. -jim
Re: Perl Users?
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Abhinav Keswani abhinav.kesw...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/10 Adrian Mageanu adrian.mage...@totalimex.com: In terms of ETL, the only reason I have used it is because I was forced to help in an emergency situation where something needed to be done yesterday, and certain 'architects' still feel that 'persisting data' means sending CSV files over FTP where they can be parsed by ... something ... and kept ... somewhere. This is not the time for a rant about SOA...and providing RESTful interfaces for data access/manipulation. My sympathies. Seems like you met the server guys http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Server-Guys.aspx -- Kent perl -e print substr( \edrgmaM SPA nocomil.i...@tfrken\, \$_ * 3, 3 ) for ( 9,8,0,7,1,6,5,4,3,2 ); http://kent-fredric.fox.geek.nz
Re: Pronounce sudo
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:41:23 Mike Gauland wrote: More than twenty years ago, my operating systems professor pronounced it 'et-see'. I found it grating at first, but it's so much shorter than etcetera, and I found myself picking it up. Now, it sounds just as normal as 'grep', 'awk', 'sed', and 'sudo'. That's how I pronounce it also. hads -- https://nicegear.co.nz VoIP and Open Source Hardware
