Re: This years format.
Hi People. Sorry due to one thing and another will not be their after all tonight. I hope to make an appearance at the next engagement. Have Fun. Tom
Re: This years format.
> Well for god's sake can someone nominate a time?? > I am going to start now but I am currently in Hamilton. Rob
Re: This years format.
My wife has been purchasing and I have just been instructed to pick up said item so my arrival timing will be very fluid. :-) I would imagine I could get there by 7pm however. That sound like a good time? On 17/02/2010 3:31 p.m., Nick Rout wrote: Well for god's sake can someone nominate a time?? On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Brett Davidson wrote: I shall not be eating but will pop in briefly and say hello. About 7.30 is it? I am hoping to have a bite to eat, and will be there a bit earlier than that. -- Sincerely etc., Christopher. On 17/02/2010, Tom Smithwrote: On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 00:45 +1300, Roy Britten wrote: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 08:25:23PM +1300, Steve Holdoway wrote: Unfortunately illness at home is going to stop me from coming into town tomorrow evening. Sorry to hear that. All the best to the patient for a quick recovery. +1 All the best for a speedy recovery Could someone have a pint of twisted ankle on my behalf?? Will do. Cheers, Roy. About 7.30 is it?? sorry I searched through the posts but only recognised the day. If you see a guy with a guiding cane that looks lost that is going to probably be me. Cheers Tom -- Regards, Brett Davidson Systems Engineer RHCE, CCNA, MCSE, SCSA, NZCE, TC(Electronics) -- Net24 Limited Phone: 0800 5000 24 | DDI: +64 3 962 9518 | Web: www.net24.co.nz -- // web hosting / email hosting / data backup / VPS This transmission is for the intended addressee only and is confidential information. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it and notify the sender.
Re: This years format.
Someone did. 7:30pm from Tom and "a bit earlier" from Chris. ;-) Well for god's sake can someone nominate a time?? On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Brett Davidson wrote: I shall not be eating but will pop in briefly and say hello. About 7.30 is it? I am hoping to have a bite to eat, and will be there a bit earlier than that. -- Sincerely etc., Christopher. On 17/02/2010, Tom Smithwrote: On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 00:45 +1300, Roy Britten wrote: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 08:25:23PM +1300, Steve Holdoway wrote: Unfortunately illness at home is going to stop me from coming into town tomorrow evening. Sorry to hear that. All the best to the patient for a quick recovery. +1 All the best for a speedy recovery Could someone have a pint of twisted ankle on my behalf?? Will do. Cheers, Roy. About 7.30 is it?? sorry I searched through the posts but only recognised the day. If you see a guy with a guiding cane that looks lost that is going to probably be me. Cheers Tom -- Regards, Brett Davidson Systems Engineer RHCE, CCNA, MCSE, SCSA, NZCE, TC(Electronics) -- Net24 Limited Phone: 0800 5000 24 | DDI: +64 3 962 9518 | Web: www.net24.co.nz -- // web hosting / email hosting / data backup / VPS This transmission is for the intended addressee only and is confidential information. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it and notify the sender.
Re: This years format.
Well for god's sake can someone nominate a time?? On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Brett Davidson wrote: > I shall not be eating but will pop in briefly and say hello. >>> >>> About 7.30 is it? >>> >> >> I am hoping to have a bite to eat, and will be there a bit earlier than >> that. >> -- >> Sincerely etc., >> Christopher. >> >> On 17/02/2010, Tom Smith wrote: >> >>> >>> On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 00:45 +1300, Roy Britten wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 08:25:23PM +1300, Steve Holdoway wrote: > > Unfortunately illness at home is going to stop me from coming into town > tomorrow evening. > Sorry to hear that. All the best to the patient for a quick recovery. >>> >>> +1 All the best for a speedy recovery >>> > > Could someone have a pint of twisted ankle on my behalf?? > Will do. Cheers, Roy. >>> >>> About 7.30 is it?? sorry I searched through the posts but only >>> recognised the day. If you see a guy with a guiding cane that looks >>> lost that is going to probably be me. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Tom > >
Re: This years format.
I shall not be eating but will pop in briefly and say hello. About 7.30 is it? I am hoping to have a bite to eat, and will be there a bit earlier than that. -- Sincerely etc., Christopher. On 17/02/2010, Tom Smith wrote: On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 00:45 +1300, Roy Britten wrote: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 08:25:23PM +1300, Steve Holdoway wrote: Unfortunately illness at home is going to stop me from coming into town tomorrow evening. Sorry to hear that. All the best to the patient for a quick recovery. +1 All the best for a speedy recovery Could someone have a pint of twisted ankle on my behalf?? Will do. Cheers, Roy. About 7.30 is it?? sorry I searched through the posts but only recognised the day. If you see a guy with a guiding cane that looks lost that is going to probably be me. Cheers Tom
Re: Filesystem and replacing .. The final word??
Craig Falconer wrote: Peter Glassenbury (CSSE) wrote, On 17/02/10 13:13: Different folks wrote : Since you are doing Computer Science and I am doing the rollout :-) Yeah - watch out... Pete lurks here. The MINIMUM machine for unix courses is a quad core with 4Gig of memory and a 22" widescreen. (They dual boot windows) Wow - screens have got smaller since the sun days ;) Bigger and flatter but only the same resolution as the old CRTs Another option is some mega-fat VM servers which generates new windows machines from a template. Guest OS get destroyed when user is finished with it and a fresh one is copied for the next user. I guess a terminal server environment isn't appropriate ? Have that as well but Windows doesn't like lots of login sessions.. on a 8way Xeon? shows up as 16 processors with 32GIG memory still doesn't handle lots of login sessions..Dies around 50. We would like to virtualise it but have to get a round "TUIT' first. > If you want to do things that don't effect other users, and improve > your learning... that is what the department wants you to do. That's not what you said back then! You must have been a special case ;-) :-) (And I've mellowed :-) ) Pete -- --- Peter Glassenbury Computer Science department p...@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz University of Canterbury +64 3 3642987 ext 7762 New Zealand
Re: OT: Dreaming of O'Reilly manuals
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Ryan McCoskrie wrote: > I had a dream on Sunday that I found the O'Reilly "In A Nutshell" manual on > child raising written by Linus and Tove Torvalds. I was strangely disappointed > when I woke up. > > Has anyone got thoughts on this odd event? Yes I'd like to know what the cover picture is? Perhaps this would be appropriate? http://www.icanhasmotivation.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/parenting-520x416.jpg
Re: Filesystem and replacing .. The final word??
Peter Glassenbury (CSSE) wrote, On 17/02/10 13:13: Different folks wrote : > Lots of things... Since you are doing Computer Science and I am doing the rollout :-) I can tell you a few things... Yeah - watch out... Pete lurks here. The MINIMUM machine for unix courses is a quad core with 4Gig of memory and a 22" widescreen. (They dual boot windows) Wow - screens have got smaller since the sun days ;) Another option is some mega-fat VM servers which generates new windows machines from a template. Guest OS get destroyed when user is finished with it and a fresh one is copied for the next user. I guess a terminal server environment isn't appropriate ? > If you want to do things that don't effect other users, and improve > your learning... that is what the department wants you to do. That's not what you said back then! -- Craig Falconer
Re: Filesystem and replacing .. The final word??
Different folks wrote : > Lots of things... Since you are doing Computer Science and I am doing the rollout :-) I can tell you a few things Running Fedora 12, 64bit (only I hope) with as many things as I can find without loading down the network kickstart install time..So if there is a particular useful package I need to add to the kickstart, let me know. I don't even remove the standard games coz they are big kids and if they waste their time it is their choice. Same applies to window managers. I am not going to chase and compile things so it needs to be on the fedora extras mirror. If you want to compile your own stuff, you have a reasonable but limited amount of disk space to do so. The MINIMUM machine for unix courses is a quad core with 4Gig of memory and a 22" widescreen. (They dual boot windows) We don't allow booting from USB or CD/DVD We do allow laptops and have wired laptop ports in the labs and power on the top of the benches for running laptopd. (cables still need to be plugged in ... we are running behind on quite a few things :-( ) .. Wireless is also available. There are the University computer policies that we run as guidelines If you do things bad or unethical we beat you with a big stick(usually meaning the university proctor... serious stuff for the degree) If you want to do things that don't effect other users, and improve your learning... that is what the department wants you to do. If you find stuff that I've screwed up, it is always nice to let me know :-) Pete -- --- Peter Glassenbury Computer Science department p...@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz University of Canterbury +64 3 3642987 ext 7762 New Zealand
Re: This years format.
- Original Message Follows - > On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 12:24 +1300, Nick Rout wrote: > [snip] > > Unfortunately illness at home is going to stop me from > coming into town tomorrow evening. > > Could someone have a pint of twisted ankle on my behalf?? > > Cheers, Steve > +1 Hope patient gets better. cheers, Dave.
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> About 7.30 is it? I am hoping to have a bite to eat, and will be there a bit earlier than that. -- Sincerely etc., Christopher. On 17/02/2010, Tom Smith wrote: > On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 00:45 +1300, Roy Britten wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 08:25:23PM +1300, Steve Holdoway wrote: >> > Unfortunately illness at home is going to stop me from coming into town >> > tomorrow evening. >> >> Sorry to hear that. All the best to the patient for a quick recovery. > > +1 All the best for a speedy recovery >> >> > Could someone have a pint of twisted ankle on my behalf?? >> >> Will do. >> >> Cheers, >> Roy. > > About 7.30 is it?? sorry I searched through the posts but only > recognised the day. If you see a guy with a guiding cane that looks > lost that is going to probably be me. > > Cheers > > Tom > > -- Sincerely etc. Christopher Sawtell
Re: Filesystem and replacing the window manager
Your WM of choice. So it would be something like compiz --replace &, metacity --replace &, twm --replace &, etc. Adding the & to run in the background. Be aware if you close the shell it will kill the WM. To prevent this you should run "disown %1" after running your WM command. That way the shell doesn't kill your WM when if close the terminal window. If you don't want any of the gnome environment, then you may be able to select "failsafe with xterm" or similar. This will drop you into a plain xterm where you can run your WM of choice. I'd recommend putting a copy in your home folder since your usb drive won't work nicely without gnome/dbus/etc. Cheers, sV On 17 February 2010 07:48, Aidan Gauland wrote: > Solor Vox wrote: > > The problem is (gnome|kde)-session is the parent that spawns all > > sub-processes, including metacity/compiz/etc WM that you want to replace. > > Furthermore, the login manager, usualy gdm, spawns the session inside an > > xinit process. So you'll most likely end of up killing your X server and > > everything else after login. What you can do is use "--replace" to > > gracefuly replace the WM instead of killing the session. If your window > > manager supports that it of course, but many do. > > With which program do I use "--replace"? > > > The recommended way is to change your prefered DE/WM using the gdm. Look > > for the options button on the login screen. However, I don't know if > they > > enabled that on their systems. > > I am pretty sure they are using GDM, and there is a choice between GNOME > and > KDE, but no way (that I am aware of) to specify anything else. > > Thanks, > Aidan Gauland > >
Re: This years format.
On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 00:45 +1300, Roy Britten wrote: > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 08:25:23PM +1300, Steve Holdoway wrote: > > Unfortunately illness at home is going to stop me from coming into town > > tomorrow evening. > > Sorry to hear that. All the best to the patient for a quick recovery. +1 All the best for a speedy recovery > > > Could someone have a pint of twisted ankle on my behalf?? > > Will do. > > Cheers, > Roy. About 7.30 is it?? sorry I searched through the posts but only recognised the day. If you see a guy with a guiding cane that looks lost that is going to probably be me. Cheers Tom
Re: Filesystem and replacing the window manager
Aidan Gauland wrote, On 16/02/10 21:01: I am about to start university next week, and I do not like either KDE or GNOME, which is all that is available in Canterbury's C.S. computer labs. I would like to put my favourite window manager on my memory stick, and run it in place of the one into which I login. This raises two problems: how do I switch window managers within an X session (without terminating the X session)? And what filesystem can I put on my memory stick that is more UNIX friendly than FAT, but that does not have the ext filesystems' problem of confusing the system that mounts it when moving between systems with different UIDs? These are, of course, not huge issues, but I would like to figure this out at some point. Buy a laptop and use that instead. You can do whatever you want on your own box. Of course, you might not be allowed to connect it to the cosc network. Better check the aup. I vaguely remember running afterstep as a window manager on the old sun 3/50. I had the binary statically compiled in my home directory and it worked fairly well. Depends how much of your profile is automatically generated. (mush!) -- Craig Falconer
Re: Filesystem and replacing the window manager
Solor Vox wrote: > The problem is (gnome|kde)-session is the parent that spawns all > sub-processes, including metacity/compiz/etc WM that you want to replace. > Furthermore, the login manager, usualy gdm, spawns the session inside an > xinit process. So you'll most likely end of up killing your X server and > everything else after login. What you can do is use "--replace" to > gracefuly replace the WM instead of killing the session. If your window > manager supports that it of course, but many do. With which program do I use "--replace"? > The recommended way is to change your prefered DE/WM using the gdm. Look > for the options button on the login screen. However, I don't know if they > enabled that on their systems. I am pretty sure they are using GDM, and there is a choice between GNOME and KDE, but no way (that I am aware of) to specify anything else. Thanks, Aidan Gauland signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 08:25:23PM +1300, Steve Holdoway wrote: > Unfortunately illness at home is going to stop me from coming into town > tomorrow evening. Sorry to hear that. All the best to the patient for a quick recovery. > Could someone have a pint of twisted ankle on my behalf?? Will do. Cheers, Roy.
Re: Filesystem and replacing the window manager
That is a bad idea to kill the session of either of those DE. (Desktop Environment, not just Window Managers) The problem is (gnome|kde)-session is the parent that spawns all sub-processes, including metacity/compiz/etc WM that you want to replace. Furthermore, the login manager, usualy gdm, spawns the session inside an xinit process. So you'll most likely end of up killing your X server and everything else after login. What you can do is use "--replace" to gracefuly replace the WM instead of killing the session. If your window manager supports that it of course, but many do. The recommended way is to change your prefered DE/WM using the gdm. Look for the options button on the login screen. However, I don't know if they enabled that on their systems. Cheers, sV On 16 February 2010 22:10, Aidan Gauland wrote: > Volker Kuhlmann wrote: > > Kill the window manager process, start a new one. > > OK, I'll try that. I tried that once on my system, and it terminated my X > session, but I'll fiddle around with this again. GNU Screen will make > experimentation with this easier than just an xterm. > > > UIDs are a fact of Unix, there's no way around. You missed the point > > that this has nothing to do with ext. You could try to make all > > files/directories writable by everyone. Decent Linux distros will assign > > the logged-in users UID as owner to FAT filesystems on removable > > storage, again, the no-frills-no-functions wms you're after probably > > won't do that. > > I realise that it is not ext specific, but a UNIX thing. I'll just go with > FAT, then. > > Thanks, > Aidan Gauland > >
OT: Dreaming of O'Reilly manuals
I had a dream on Sunday that I found the O'Reilly "In A Nutshell" manual on child raising written by Linus and Tove Torvalds. I was strangely disappointed when I woke up. Has anyone got thoughts on this odd event? -- Quote of the login: "The C Programming Language -- A language which combines the flexibility of assembly language with the power of assembly language." signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Filesystem and replacing the window manager
Steve Holdoway wrote: > The only workable option I can see is to use a boot USB if allowed. I > know the latest 10.04 ubuntu allows for your own data area. I want to avoid that, if I can, and if it comes to that, I'll just settle for what's already there. > In reality, you seem to be creating a lot of extra work for yourself. I > expect the course will be hard enough without this! Oh, almost certainly, which is why I am only considering this, and will only make attempts to find a solution when I have spare time. Kind Regards, Aidan Gauland signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Nick Rout wrote: > you really want to see if this is within the uni's t&c. Just cos they > allow you to login doesn't permit you to run anything you like on > their system. I have already thought about this, and I have read through a document on the university's website titled "Computer Use: Policy and Procedures", which states nothing about what software is allowed, aside from the usual forbidding of anything for malicious or illegal purposes (and some things pertaining to network traffic). With that, I think that as what I wish to install is to allow me to work more comfortably, and will not interfere with anyone else or the university's system in any way, I see no reason not to run my own window manager. If you have a reason for me not do so, I would very much like to hear it. I may have overlooked something important. Kind Regards, Aidan Gauland signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Volker Kuhlmann wrote: > Kill the window manager process, start a new one. OK, I'll try that. I tried that once on my system, and it terminated my X session, but I'll fiddle around with this again. GNU Screen will make experimentation with this easier than just an xterm. > UIDs are a fact of Unix, there's no way around. You missed the point > that this has nothing to do with ext. You could try to make all > files/directories writable by everyone. Decent Linux distros will assign > the logged-in users UID as owner to FAT filesystems on removable > storage, again, the no-frills-no-functions wms you're after probably > won't do that. I realise that it is not ext specific, but a UNIX thing. I'll just go with FAT, then. Thanks, Aidan Gauland signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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The only workable option I can see is to use a boot USB if allowed. I know the latest 10.04 ubuntu allows for your own data area. In reality, you seem to be creating a lot of extra work for yourself. I expect the course will be hard enough without this! Steve On Tue, 2010-02-16 at 21:02 +1300, Aidan Gauland wrote: > Hello, > > I am about to start university next week, and I do not like either KDE or > GNOME, which is all that is available in Canterbury's C.S. computer labs. I > would like to put my favourite window manager on my memory stick, and run it > in place of the one into which I login. > > This raises two problems: how do I switch window managers within an X session > (without terminating the X session)? And what filesystem can I put on my > memory stick that is more UNIX friendly than FAT, but that does not have the > ext filesystems' problem of confusing the system that mounts it when moving > between systems with different UIDs? > > These are, of course, not huge issues, but I would like to figure this out at > some point. > > --Aidan Gauland >
Re: Filesystem and replacing the window manager
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Aidan Gauland wrote: > Hello, > > I am about to start university next week, and I do not like either KDE or > GNOME, which is all that is available in Canterbury's C.S. computer labs. I > would like to put my favourite window manager on my memory stick, and run it > in place of the one into which I login. > > This raises two problems: how do I switch window managers within an X session > (without terminating the X session)? And what filesystem can I put on my > memory stick that is more UNIX friendly than FAT, but that does not have the > ext filesystems' problem of confusing the system that mounts it when moving > between systems with different UIDs? > > These are, of course, not huge issues, but I would like to figure this out at > some point. you really want to see if this is within the uni's t&c. Just cos they allow you to login doesn't permit you to run anything you like on their system. remember that linux is based heavily on respect for terms of use. without that the gpl would not be worth the bits and bytes it's written in!
Re: Filesystem and replacing the window manager
> This raises two problems: how do I switch window managers within an X session > (without terminating the X session)? Kill the window manager process, start a new one. Warning: once killed, you won't be able to e.g. change input focus any more. Some wms allow to change wms as a menu option, but the barebones ones you;re after probably not. > And what filesystem can I put on my > memory stick that is more UNIX friendly than FAT, but that does not have the > ext filesystems' problem of confusing the system that mounts it when moving > between systems with different UIDs? UIDs are a fact of Unix, there's no way around. You missed the point that this has nothing to do with ext. You could try to make all files/directories writable by everyone. Decent Linux distros will assign the logged-in users UID as owner to FAT filesystems on removable storage, again, the no-frills-no-functions wms you're after probably won't do that. Have fun, Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me.
Filesystem and replacing the window manager
Hello, I am about to start university next week, and I do not like either KDE or GNOME, which is all that is available in Canterbury's C.S. computer labs. I would like to put my favourite window manager on my memory stick, and run it in place of the one into which I login. This raises two problems: how do I switch window managers within an X session (without terminating the X session)? And what filesystem can I put on my memory stick that is more UNIX friendly than FAT, but that does not have the ext filesystems' problem of confusing the system that mounts it when moving between systems with different UIDs? These are, of course, not huge issues, but I would like to figure this out at some point. --Aidan Gauland signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
