Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
On Thu, 23 May 2002 01:42:22 -0400 Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 22 May 2002 09:54 pm, Net Llama! wrote: Keith Antoine wrote: On Thursday 23 May 2002 09:30, Tim Wunder wrote: Been running it for a week ;-) AND ? He's still waiting for KMail to start up ;) KMail is, by far, the best e-mail app I've ever used (and it loads fine on my Athlon 950 -- which used to be a fast machine...) , for it's filtering capabilities alone. But it's a small list, Netscape 4.7x, Eudora (under Windows), and Mozilla (since m14) Do try sylpheed. Nice filtering as well. Very straight forward install. -- ++===+ | Roger Oberholtzer | E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | OPQ Systems AB | WWW: http://www.opq.se/ | | Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 |Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 | | 115 32 Stockholm | Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 | | Sweden | Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 | ++===+ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: a crackpot idea i had
On Thursday 23 May 2002 14:34, Jim Conner wrote: To turn a tarball into a rpm, check out checkinstall on freshmeat. It had a problem with glibc(I think) on eD2.4 and wasn't reliable. It works fine with W3.x though. Jim I actually use checkinstall and have for a while but I am sure there is a prog that will just start with a tarball and run with it from there.I know I am being lazy but I could use something like that in an automated overnight unattended manner. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
XP home edition behind firewall
I have an XP home edition on my home network behind my firewall. I know nothing about XP. This morning at localtime 5:45 am I noticed a connection with a lot of data being send to this address from my XP machine: 217.84.15.157.1214 192.168.1.9.1632 The XP machine of course is the 192 address. nslookup gave some typical appearing DHCP type name, which I didn't write down! I looked at the XP box. It had been left on, with a user logged in. IE was running but I couldn't enlarge the icon at the bottom of the screen. I shut down the XP box, the connection stopped, and nslookup no longer resolved the ip address above. I know that XP has vulnerabilities, but I thought the firewall would protect it (foolish dreamer). SO, the question is, is this a hack? Is there some port I need to block on my firewall to prevent this sort of access? Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: XP home edition behind firewall
On Thu, 23 May 2002 06:10:28 -0400 begin Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth: I have an XP home edition on my home network behind my firewall. I know nothing about XP. This morning at localtime 5:45 am I noticed a connection with a lot of data being send to this address from my XP machine: 217.84.15.157.1214 192.168.1.9.1632 Ah yes, Morpheus. This is one of those Morpheus Music City/ Kazaa -type programs running on your XP system. It d/l music, then, by default, notifies the master server, and next thing you know 10,000 folks the world over are d/l from you. Hope you have a T-3 (or you'll need to block several ports), because this trash will saturate your bandwidth. It's reporting to the server that it has a 100Mb (or 10Mb) connection to the world (it's ethernet connection to your firewall). The XP machine of course is the 192 address. nslookup gave some typical appearing DHCP type name, which I didn't write down! I looked at the XP box. It had been left on, with a user logged in. IE was running but I couldn't enlarge the icon at the bottom of the screen. I shut down the XP box, the connection stopped, and nslookup no longer resolved the ip address above. I know that XP has vulnerabilities, but I thought the firewall would protect it (foolish dreamer). SO, the question is, is this a hack? Is there some port I need to block on my firewall to prevent this sort of access? Joel Don't you just love lusers? Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
On Wed, 22 May 2002 22:50:36 -0700 (PDT) stayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2002 17:56:54 -0400 (EDT), Net Llama! wrote: Does it still suck? ;) I'm sure it still does. Users fall into two camps - the full desktop users (the environment does everything including slice bread) and the minimalists who don't need all the extra crap. Needless to say, I haven't regretted removing kde and gnome from my machine. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area - WWTLRD? gentoo(since 01/01/01) 2.4.18+(ext3) xfce-sylpheed-mozilla ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Directory write permissions -- fail
I've been trying to understand permissions on directories, but am having trouble with the write permission. As I understand it, read permission (r--r--r--) on a directory allows the contents to be listed, write (-w--w--w-) allows files to be added/deleted, and execute (--x--x--x) allows access to the file contents. To test this, I created a directory, foo, and put three files in it: foo1, foo2, foo3 (contents: this is foo1/2/3). I gave these files rwxrwxrwx permissions to prevent file permission problems. Then I changed the foo directory permissions to r--r--r--. I could list the files, but not do anything else like add/delete or less the file contents. This is as it should be. Then I changed the directory permissions to --x--x--x. I could list the file contents using less, but could not do anything else like ls -al foo, or add/delete a file, as should be. But when I changed the directory permissions to -w--w--w-, I could not add a new file or delete any of the existing files, getting a permission denied message. This is not as I understand it: I should be able to do this. Could anyone explain why? Thanx. BOF ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
Skippy (Keith Antoine) observed: Its latest stunt: I installed XCDRoast alpha 10 and the necessary updated libs. When I later installed a different app, YAST decided it did not like the updated XCDRoast and its libs and reinstalled the old versions. Thats not the only thing it does, I installed a few non Suse tarballs etc plus the latest xcdroast. I had crapped on all of them to the extent that i have had to reinstall cdrecordtools 3 times so far. It also just reinstalled some xine and other streaming video packages. No it and Mandrake are not on my Xmas list any longer. I don't know if the SuSE fetish for restoring the cd recording packages is caused by some security concern or just poor implementation of a good concept. SuSE for me is an aggravating distro. They are good when it comes to posting updates and how-to's, and by and large it works out of the box. But somehow it never lives up to expectation. With Mandrake, on the other hand, you take it for granted that it is broken from the start. It's amusing and sometimes educational to play with these distro's, but after using eDesk 2.4 and Libranet Debian for a couple of years I have an expectation, perhaps unreasonable in the present state of Linux, that a Big Buck$ distro will work for me rather than against me. -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 1.9.1 Debian Linux System 5151 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Question
Thanks. You learn something new every day! On Wed, 22 May 2002 17:52:53 -0400 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Port 115. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
KDE 3 Question
What happened to the admin tools that were included with KDE2? I don't recall the exact names of the tools but I recall there were applets for determining modules loaded at boot time, daemons, etc. Were these specific to COL? As I recall they were under Preferences|System. Thanks, Brian ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Directory write permissions -- fail
Scribbling feverishly on May 23, bof managed to emit: [...] But when I changed the directory permissions to -w--w--w-, I could not add a new file or delete any of the existing files, getting a permission denied message. This is not as I understand it: I should be able to do this. Could anyone explain why? You can't write to a file to which you don't have access, which, for a directory, means the execute bit must be set. Kurt -- You can't hold a man down without staying down with him. -- Booker T. Washington ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: a crackpot idea i had
i386 doesn't NECESSARILY mean anything, but it is supposed to mean that the code was compiled specially for the i686 architecture. As for SuSE RPMS, there is a very slim chance that SuSE RPMs will work on Caldera. SuSE sticks nearly ALL their stuff in different places as opposed to the RH/MDK/COL crew which generally put things in somewhat similar places. I still compile and RPM for each distro I use. It's just cleaner and I know what I did. eg. MDK doesn't have most of the development libs installed by default that COL does, so if I compile something on COL, I might be able to compile in LDAP and SSL functionality which might not work on MDK. This is why I personally find very little use for RPMFIND... On Thu, 23 May 2002 05:39:17 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: begin Keith Antoine's quote: | One point and I have seen chatter about it before BUT: What | difference would an i386.rpm have to an i686 and would it be best | to do them as i386? Suse rpms will install with Caldera, won't they | ? i686 stuff is (supposedly) optimized for later chips and won't run on earlier ones; the lowest common denominator is i386. and suse rpms might or might not work, depending on where suse puts stuff compared to where ed 2.4 did. among the leading differences is /etc/. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Wed, 22 May 2002 16:37:21 -0700 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My one beef (other than the price!) right now is the inability to install the yahoo messenger rpm; dependency problems. I went with gaim instead. works well. I still don't understand this one. I suppose I did a --nodeps and probably created a softlink to an existing lib, but it works. I just don't like it as well as Everybuddy. Other than that, I agree with Ken. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Wed, 22 May 2002 18:31:42 -0600 Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Skippy is just trying to tell me what we all learned along the way. Caldera was never especially good at providing updates (except for security), and the Caldera file setup was sufficiently different, that most RPMS would not work without major surgery. If you want an upgradable system, try RedHat/Mandrake or Debian (updates for most things available), Slackware (somewhat fewer choices. Or gentoo (if you can tolerate updates from source), but I'm not supposed to say that out loud. To each his own. What do you want out of a distro? The is something (IIRC) called Wizard Linux, where after a dinky base install (like a Kernel and the installer) it downloads and installs everything from source... It could be fun, if you can spare the time :) ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Updated Step
Aaron Grewell has just updated http://www.linux-sxs.org/sendm2.html to incorporate the following: Updated to include Sendmail on RH-7.3 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: backing up a laptop
I could be wrong about the exact syntax, since I haven't done it in a while... I believe something along the lines of: tar zxf - / |ssh backuphostname cat backup.laptop.tgz Or something to that extent. It's been a while and I never really used it much. It should feed the contents of the .tgz file to stdout, which is fed to the ssh command as stdin... and using the command version of ssh (execute a command on the other end) which will accept the file. You can change the path as needed. Let me know if I'm wrong and what the correct syntax is. I know it can be done. Matt On Wed, 22 May 2002 20:42:13 -0400 William F. Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what about mounting a share (NFS or Samba) and making the tarbal on it? Bill Day Linux 2.2.20-1tr i586 8:10pm up 7 days, 19:24, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.00, 0.00 - Original Message - From: Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 9:34 PM Subject: backing up a laptop Greetings, I've got a bit of a problem on my hands. I've got a laptop with a 4GB drive, that currently has about 1.7GB free (less than half). It has a CDROM(not a burner) floppy drive. Thus, the only way I can get files on or off the HD, is via the floppy or with scp (ssh). The HD is partitioned so that hda1 is /boot, hda2 is swap, and hda3 is / What I want to do is backup the entire disk, however since I don't have enough free space on the HD, i can't just create one big tarball. Does anyone know of a way to pipe the output from tar to scp so that i could automatically dump the tarball onto a remote box? I've been pooring through the tar scp man pages and can't find any way of doing this. If anyone has any alternate solutions, i'd be eager to hear them as well. thanks! -- ~ L. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo: http://netllama.ipfox.com 6:25pm up 34 days, 1:18, 3 users, load average: 0.06, 0.10, 0.08 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/02 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Updated Step
Net Llama! has just updated http://www.linux-sxs.org/pctel.html to incorporate the following: Updated for newest driver, and winmodem database website ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Wednesday 22 May 2002 07:34 pm,Keith Antoine wrote: On Thursday 23 May 2002 11:47, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Tony Alfrey wrote: H. Are you on the SuSE list? I follow it and there seems to be a moderate amount of angst with various things about 8.0. So I've been reluctant to spend my time on it. I have SuSE 8 on my lab rat where I too reluctantly spend time with it. Its latest stunt: I installed XCDRoast alpha 10 and the necessary updated libs. When I later installed a different app, YAST decided it did not like the updated XCDRoast and its libs and reinstalled the old versions. Thats not the only thing it does, I installed a few non Suse tarballs etc plus the latest xcdroast. I had crapped on all of them to the extent that i have had to reinstall cdrecordtools 3 times so far. It also just reinstalled some xine and other streaming video packages. No it and Mandrake are not on my Xmas list any longer. Well, that's what I thought. So when are you gonna get up off of your soft *^% and release your aforementioned SkippyLinux (tm) ?? ;-) -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd rather be sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Wednesday 22 May 2002 05:31 pm,Collins wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2002 14:50:14 -0700 Tony Alfrey snip Geeze Looeeze Skipmeister, whadda ya tryin' t do t me?? Everybody's got me enthused about 3.1.1 and now you tell me it is bad news??? What do you mean that it won't update?? Inquiring minds want to know. I think Skippy is just trying to tell me what we all learned along the way. Caldera was never especially good at providing updates (except for security), and the Caldera file setup was sufficiently different, that most RPMS would not work without major surgery. If you want an upgradable system, try RedHat/Mandrake or Debian snip This update thing has 'always' been a hassle (vis-a-vis distro-specific rpms). I do not mind compiling anything as long as I know where I'm supposed to put the end result. Is there not some way that we can begin to get some 'parts list', if you will, for updates, source, etc. In other words, we need to know the equivalent of making an rpm? -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd rather be sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Directory write permissions -- fail
On Thu, 23 May 2002 06:32:47 -0600 begin bof [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth: I've been trying to understand permissions on directories, but am having trouble with the write permission. As I understand it, read permission (r--r--r--) on a directory allows the contents to be listed, write (-w--w--w-) allows files to be added/deleted, and execute (--x--x--x) allows access to the file contents. To test this, I created a directory, foo, and put three files in it: foo1, foo2, foo3 (contents: this is foo1/2/3). I gave these files rwxrwxrwx permissions to prevent file permission problems. Then I changed the foo directory permissions to r--r--r--. I could list the files, but not do anything else like add/delete or less the file contents. This is as it should be. Then I changed the directory permissions to --x--x--x. I could list the file contents using less, but could not do anything else like ls -al foo, or add/delete a file, as should be. But when I changed the directory permissions to -w--w--w-, I could not add a new file or delete any of the existing files, getting a permission denied message. This is not as I understand it: I should be able to do this. Could anyone explain why? Directories are special cases. the execute bit allows you to cd into the directory. In order to write a file, you have to be able to enter the directory. Reading and running files is a little harder to understand. Programs (not scripts) can be run from outside the directory with only the executable bit set. Scripts cannot be run this way. You must have r-x set because you have to be able to read the file to run it. This is one of the more difficult parts of understanding why things work the way they do. But this is some of what you need to understand to create chroot jails with executables that can't be modified (or even accessed) by the user. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
sherwin-williams drops sco for turbolinux
http://computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,71411,00.html?nlid=AM -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Directory write permissions -- fail
Thanx. Your explanation makes sense. So the execute permission must be used with the read or write permission when dealing with a directory if the user plans on allowing read or write access to it. But no book that I have read, and for that matter, the man/info page explains permissions like this: the explanation is simply that the write permission allows files to be added or deleted from the directory, implying that write alone is all that is needed. I would hope that your book will take the time to explain this permissions business a little better than other's. David A. Bandel wrote: On Thu, 23 May 2002 06:32:47 -0600 begin bof [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth: I've been trying to understand permissions on directories, but am having trouble with the write permission. As I understand it, read permission (r--r--r--) on a directory allows the contents to be listed, write (-w--w--w-) allows files to be added/deleted, and execute (--x--x--x) allows access to the file contents. To test this, I created a directory, foo, and put three files in it: foo1, foo2, foo3 (contents: this is foo1/2/3). I gave these files rwxrwxrwx permissions to prevent file permission problems. Then I changed the foo directory permissions to r--r--r--. I could list the files, but not do anything else like add/delete or less the file contents. This is as it should be. Then I changed the directory permissions to --x--x--x. I could list the file contents using less, but could not do anything else like ls -al foo, or add/delete a file, as should be. But when I changed the directory permissions to -w--w--w-, I could not add a new file or delete any of the existing files, getting a permission denied message. This is not as I understand it: I should be able to do this. Could anyone explain why? Directories are special cases. the execute bit allows you to cd into the directory. In order to write a file, you have to be able to enter the directory. Reading and running files is a little harder to understand. Programs (not scripts) can be run from outside the directory with only the executable bit set. Scripts cannot be run this way. You must have r-x set because you have to be able to read the file to run it. This is one of the more difficult parts of understanding why things work the way they do. But this is some of what you need to understand to create chroot jails with executables that can't be modified (or even accessed) by the user. Ciao, David A. Bandel ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re:Linux StepByStep distributed teams!
Doug Hunley wrote: I've had a couple of requests from people, so today I went and created Linux StepByStep teams for various distributed-processing projects. Anyone can join these teams, we're not making restrictions. The following projects all have official Linux StepByStep teams: United Devices, http://www.ud.com Team Name: Linux StepByStep Team Number: 73E225ED-9FC5-44E1-84C5-79E7A9CEC5D2 Distributed.net, http://www.distributed.net Team Name: Linux StepByStep Team Number: 930184744 ECCp-109, http://www.nd.edu/~cmonico/eccp109/ Team Name: Linux StepByStep SETI@Home, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu Team Name: Linux StepByStep Folding@Home, http://folding.stanford.edu Team Name: Linux StepByStep Team Number: 3489 Genome@Home, http://genomeathome.stanford.edu Team Name: Linux_StepByStep Team Number: 163004811 Pick a project, download the client, join the team! If your favorite project isn't listed, send details to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and we'll see about getting it added. - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Just curious, did anybody ever participate in any of these? Seems seti@home is just two of us. -- Andrew Mathews --- andy.nmcourts.com Thursday May 23 2002 13:28:01 MDT --- The primary requisite for any new tax law is for it to exempt enough voters to win the next election. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
OT free mags
I guess most of us know how to read and dont mind freebies. So. http://ideacafe.tradepub.com/cat/Comp.cat.html Note: Most mags are for US Canada distribution, only a few are international. Enjoy! -- Ronnie Gauthier == Each days terror almost a form of boredom madmen at the wheel and stepping on the gas and the brakes no good and each day one, sometimes two, morning glories faultless, blue, blue sometimes flecked with magenta each lit from within with the first sunlight -- Denise Levertov -- ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Some browser observations (2)
One nice new option in Moz is to set the cookies to expire after the current session. Cookies are cheerfully accepted by the browser, but once you close it they go away. That might not be very helpful with nytimes though. You would be forever logging in. Personally, I don't go to sites that require that sort of nonsense. On Sun, 2002-04-28 at 16:07, Ronnie Gauthier wrote: Cookies can be set for any domain by any domain, not just the one visited at the time. It's common to set a cookie for a pop-up or banner goto so that if you click it's easy to see who referred the click. Also much more info can be transfered via a cookie than a formatted url. Many sites fail to function properly without cookies as they are the main way to capture your trail and tag you with a unique ID. On Sunday 28 April 2002 21:11, Joel Hammer wrote: Hmm I am not at home right now and can't give you the names, but there were at least two places hitting me with cookies, besides the NYTimes. I wonder if my ISP (Comcast) is doing this to me? Or, maybe you are taking those cookies and don't know it? Why not try changing your cookie policy to ask permission for all cookies, go to the NYTimes web site, and see if you don't get asked to allow some cookies from non NYTimes sites? Speaking of cookies, would it be bad to just use your firewall to block cookies from all those obnoxious advertising places, or would that make the browser hang up while the web page tries to download them on you? Joel On Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 01:39:07PM -0700, Net Llama! wrote: Joel Hammer wrote: Second item worth bringing up. I was running konqueror (redhat 7.1) as a remote application on my wife's new linux box (an old retread win98 box), and all was well. I was reading the NYTimes, which is free but full of popup ads. I finally started rejecting cookies from those popup people. Suddenly, I started getting plugin errors galore from konqueror, which made it almost unusable. I restarted konqueror, with the same problem. So, I reset the cookie policy to accept those cookies again, and the problem went away. This seems like a bug in konqueror or a clever way for the NYTimes to avoid parasites like me. Has anyone else had a similar experience? I read the NYT website all the time with Mozilla. My cookie preference is set to allow only cookies originating from the site, and i don't have any problems. I've only encountered a 1-time popup at the NYT site, and it occurs on the front page. -- ~ L. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo: http://netllama.ipfox.com 1:35pm up 9 days, 20:30, 4 users, load average: 0.13, 0.35, 0.49 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. -- Ronnie Gauthier == Each days terror almost a form of boredom madmen at the wheel and stepping on the gas and the brakes no good and each day one, sometimes two, morning glories faultless, blue, blue sometimes flecked with magenta each lit from within with the first sunlight -- Denise Levertov -- ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Thu, 23 May 2002 10:17:15 -0400 Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2002 18:31:42 -0600 Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Skippy is just trying to tell me what we all learned along the way. Caldera was never especially good at providing updates (except for security), and the Caldera file setup was sufficiently different, that most RPMS would not work without major surgery. If you want an upgradable system, try RedHat/Mandrake or Debian (updates for most things available), Slackware (somewhat fewer choices. Or gentoo (if you can tolerate updates from source), but I'm not supposed to say that out loud. To each his own. What do you want out of a distro? The is something(IIRC) called Wizard Linux, where after a dinky base install (like a Kernel and the installer) it downloads and installs everything from source... It could be fun, if you can spare the time :) What I want out of a distro is a system that can be continually upgraded in a standard fashion as new versions of packages that I'm interested in become available. I heard very good things about the Wizard distro (somewhat similar to gentoo), but unfortunately Wizard bit the dust after an internal developers squabble. While I support the concept of developing your own distro (it's good clean fun and educational and who could resist a Skippy distro grin), I question the long term viability. Either you choose an RPM binary distro, in which case you'd better choose a directory structure something like RedHat or you need someone to maintain a repository of new RPMs that match your structure. Or you could try something based on SRPMs in which case you effectively have a source based distribution using the RPM tool to put it together. When and where do you want to spare the time? In my case I do most of the suffering up front (close to a year ago now) unless I want a new version of a big hitter like kde or gnome. For most of the packages I'm interested in (sylpheed, xfce, mozilla), I crank up an install in an aterm while I'm reading mail or browsing linux news. Not much pain at all. Much less pain than tinkering with RPMs that weren't designed for my system (the Caldera problem in a nutshell). -- Collins Richey - Denver Area - WWTLRD? gentoo(since 01/01/01) 2.4.18+(ext3) xfce-sylpheed-mozilla ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: sherwin-williams drops sco for turbolinux
On Thu, 23 May 2002 15:22:44 -0400 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scribbling feverishly on May 23, dep managed to emit: http://computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,71411,00.html?nlid=AM Bummer. 2,500 seats is a lot of lost revenue... I wonder if this is a start of a trend... -- * * Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux 6:01pm up 71 days, 23:13, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: a crackpot idea i had
On Thursday 23 May 2002 19:39, dep wrote: begin Keith Antoine's quote: | One point and I have seen chatter about it before BUT: What | difference would an i386.rpm have to an i686 and would it be best | to do them as i386? Suse rpms will install with Caldera, won't they | ? i686 stuff is (supposedly) optimized for later chips and won't run on earlier ones; the lowest common denominator is i386. and suse rpms might or might not work, depending on where suse puts stuff compared to where ed 2.4 did. among the leading differences is /etc/. So it would be best to install 2.4 and process all the tarballs and srpms in that distr and version. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Friday 24 May 2002 02:02, Tony Alfrey wrote: On Wednesday 22 May 2002 07:34 pm,Keith Antoine wrote: On Thursday 23 May 2002 11:47, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Tony Alfrey wrote: H. Are you on the SuSE list? I follow it and there seems to be a moderate amount of angst with various things about 8.0. So I've been reluctant to spend my time on it. I have SuSE 8 on my lab rat where I too reluctantly spend time with it. Its latest stunt: I installed XCDRoast alpha 10 and the necessary updated libs. When I later installed a different app, YAST decided it did not like the updated XCDRoast and its libs and reinstalled the old versions. Thats not the only thing it does, I installed a few non Suse tarballs etc plus the latest xcdroast. I had crapped on all of them to the extent that i have had to reinstall cdrecordtools 3 times so far. It also just reinstalled some xine and other streaming video packages. No it and Mandrake are not on my Xmas list any longer. Well, that's what I thought. So when are you gonna get up off of your soft *^% and release your aforementioned SkippyLinux (tm) ?? ;-) WEll I Never!! I have started downloading the very latest upgrades and will as AFAIK need to install a Calder version so as I can process all these files to i386 rpms. There will inevitably be tarballs to process, so i am searching at the same time for a prog that I know exists fro processing the directly to rpms. Its like checkinstall but one does not need to have it attended to. BTW I have no idea what to call it as there will be input from this list, so i should ask the members what they think. I also think that it should reflect the list itself as I am going to put it online with the SxS when its done. I also think that i should take this thread to the General list, what do others think ? Are many of you subbed there ? Updates will not be too bad as I do have time and am sure other would contribute so long as I kept the important updates UP. I would be doing them for myself anyway. Feed back please. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: sherwin-williams drops sco for turbolinux
begin Kurt Wall's quote: | Scribbling feverishly on May 23, dep managed to emit: | http://computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,71 | 411,00.html?nlid=AM | | Bummer. 2,500 seats is a lot of lost revenue... try 9,700 seats: http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=68 also, some apparent cluelessness on the part of the ibm spksman. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Linux StepByStep distributed teams!
Scribbling feverishly on May 23, Andrew Mathews managed to emit: [...] SETI@Home, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu Team Name: Linux StepByStep [...] Just curious, did anybody ever participate in any of these? Seems seti@home is just two of us. Now three of us. ;-) Maybe I was having a senior moment, but it took some digging to figure out how to join the team... Kurt -- What's another word for Thesaurus? -- Steven Wright ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
begin Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thu, 23 May 2002 15:33:18 -0600) snip While I support the concept of developing your own distro (it's good clean fun and educational and who could resist a Skippy distro grin), I question the long term viability. Either you choose an RPM binary distro, in which case you'd better choose a directory structure something like RedHat or you need someone to maintain a repository of new RPMs that match your structure. Or you could try something based on SRPMs in which case you effectively have a source based distribution using the RPM tool to put it together. When and where do you want to spare the time? In my case I do most of the suffering up front (close to a year ago now) unless I want a new version of a big hitter like kde or gnome. For most of the packages I'm interested in (sylpheed, xfce, mozilla), I crank up an install in an aterm while I'm reading mail or browsing linux news. Not much pain at all. Much less pain than tinkering with RPMs that weren't designed for my system (the Caldera problem in a nutshell). I'm with you, I choose COL because I really like the feel and I'm comfortable that things work pretty well out of the box. Additional functionality I can get from FreshMeat or elsewhere and (with the help of CheckInstall or just hacking a SRPM) I can get clean Caldera RPMs Speaking of which, I've spent some time building several RPMs for cracking WEP. They require a few RPMs from the ftp2.caldera.com site to get AirSnort to work, but the worst trouble was getting the Linux-WLAN drivers patched and working. I have not completed the task of cracking WEP with them, but they all seem to work correctly. If anyone is interested, email me offlist. If anyone is interested in hosting compiled RPMs for different distros (Caldera in particular), I'd be interested in sharing! It should be a pretty fast site. Matt ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re:Linux StepByStep distributed teams!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Mathews spewed electrons into the ether that resembled: Just curious, did anybody ever participate in any of these? Seems seti@home is just two of us. there's only two of us on the UD team too... it'll happen - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://www.linux-sxs.org and http://jobs.linux-sxs.org Design is like a religion - too much of it makes you inflexible and unpopular. - Linus -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE87ZiNSrrWWknCnMIRAlTRAKDRmrUFbAGwX6e+HN5De6PGExOezACgseOn L9Wlime7kEXlU/b7uzEg8Jg= =rfbh -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Linux StepByStep distributed teams!
Kurt Wall wrote: Scribbling feverishly on May 23, Andrew Mathews managed to emit: [...] SETI@Home, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu Team Name: Linux StepByStep [...] Just curious, did anybody ever participate in any of these? Seems seti@home is just two of us. Now three of us. ;-) Maybe I was having a senior moment, but it took some digging to figure out how to join the team... Kurt Cool! We may not be the biggest, but we have the best! -- Andrew Mathews 7:35pm up 12 days, 19:16, 7 users, load average: 1.41, 1.24, 1.13 How can you prove whether at this moment we are sleeping, and all our thoughts are a dream; or whether we are awake, and talking to one another in the waking state? -- Plato ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Thursday 23 May 2002 04:17 pm,Keith Antoine wrote: snip Feed back please. I think we're looking forward to what you cook up. From my view, I'm almost more interested in the process than in the end result.. -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd rather be sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
kernel install-checksig errors
Using Suse 7.3 current kernel 2.4.10 Downloaded 2.4.16 from Suse site. Ran rpm -v --checksig (as user) and got the following: harrycg@linux:~/dloads/kernel rpm -v --checksig kernel-source-2.4.16.SuSE-24.i386.rpm kernel-source-2.4.16.SuSE-24.i386.rpm: MD5 sum OK: 49f713ff038083344572ddc3c127b2b1 gpg: Warning: using insecure memory! gpg: Signature made Wed 19 Dec 2001 02:49:23 PM EST using DSA key ID 9C800ACA gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found Being this is the first time I am trying to upgrade the kernel, the insecure memory and public key not found errors concern me. Obviously, I don't want to continue until I understand this. (If you have seen my other posts, you know that I am still a newbie, and have a real tendency to screw up things. Should have been a politician). Anyone able to help here? TIA Harry G ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
That's what's so frustrating about KDE and why I'm abandoing it. Kmail is an excellent mail program - handles mail lists well, handles multiple accounts, good filtering - something others don't do. Knode is a decent newsreader. However, KDE is an oinking pig. It's a Window enviroment with the emphasis on WINDOWS! Windows has blue screens of death - KDE just decides to quit working and you have to remove all in /tmp, delete ~./kde2 (actually save it somewhere, then delete it) and put all your apps back in it! And like windows it does it at the most inopportune time. I'll be checking out xfce and Gnome. Tim Wunder wrote: On Wednesday 22 May 2002 09:54 pm, Net Llama! wrote: Keith Antoine wrote: On Thursday 23 May 2002 09:30, Tim Wunder wrote: Been running it for a week ;-) AND ? He's still waiting for KMail to start up ;) KMail is, by far, the best e-mail app I've ever used (and it loads fine on my Athlon 950 -- which used to be a fast machine...) , for it's filtering capabilities alone. But it's a small list, Netscape 4.7x, Eudora (under Windows), and Mozilla (since m14) -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: kernel install-checksig errors
Harry G wrote: Using Suse 7.3 current kernel 2.4.10 Downloaded 2.4.16 from Suse site. Ran rpm -v --checksig (as user) and got the following: harrycg@linux:~/dloads/kernel rpm -v --checksig kernel-source-2.4.16.SuSE-24.i386.rpm kernel-source-2.4.16.SuSE-24.i386.rpm: MD5 sum OK: 49f713ff038083344572ddc3c127b2b1 gpg: Warning: using insecure memory! gpg: Signature made Wed 19 Dec 2001 02:49:23 PM EST using DSA key ID 9C800ACA gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found Being this is the first time I am trying to upgrade the kernel, the insecure memory and public key not found errors concern me. Obviously, I don't want to continue until I understand this. (If you have seen my other posts, you know that I am still a newbie, and have a real tendency to screw up things. Should have been a politician). Anyone able to help here? You need to have GPG installed, with the public key for whoever signed the RPM. All of this is purely optional, especially since the MD5 sum checked out ok. Then again, you could avoid all of this headache by simply building 2.4.18 from source. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 8:05pm up 35 days, 2:58, 3 users, load average: 0.31, 0.42, 0.31 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
On Thu, 23 May 2002 22:13:35 -0500 Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll be checking out xfce and Gnome. xfce is very fast, lightweight, and configurable, and will read your kde and gnome menus in to it's desktop user menu, accessible by mouse right click on the desktop. Has some nice features. -- Ken M ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: kernel install-checksig errors
Then again, you could avoid all of this headache by simply building 2.4.18 from source. Boy, you must really want me to fry my brain! Actually, though, is it tough? I have heard that Suse patches the crap out of the kernel. Harry G ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: kernel install-checksig errors
Harry G wrote: Then again, you could avoid all of this headache by simply building 2.4.18 from source. Boy, you must really want me to fry my brain! Actually, though, is it tough? I have heard that Suse patches the crap out of the kernel. Its not that hard. But it is one of the best learning experiences you can get with Linux. Once you build a working kernel, you'll know *alot* more about Linux and your hardware. See the KERNEL section on the SxS site for excellent detailed instructions on how to build your own kernel. I'm sure that SuSE does patch their kernels up the wazoo, but that hardly means that you are tied to them. All distros patch their kernels heavily. I haven't used a distro supplied kernel since 2.2.5. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 8:20pm up 35 days, 3:13, 3 users, load average: 0.02, 0.10, 0.20 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Friday 24 May 2002 11:13, Matthew Carpenter wrote: wwwWRROOOuuuwuwSCREECHhhh Sorry. You asked for feedback Sounds like a great idea. BTW- Your nickname is skippy, so where does Gandalf come into this sig? Remember I used to use Merlin and my magic 'wand'. A short while ago someone called me gandalf. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
On Friday 24 May 2002 13:13, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: That's what's so frustrating about KDE and why I'm abandoing it. Kmail is an excellent mail program - handles mail lists well, handles multiple accounts, good filtering - something others don't do. Knode is a decent newsreader. However, KDE is an oinking pig. It's a Window enviroment with the emphasis on WINDOWS! Windows has blue screens of death - KDE just decides to quit working and you have to remove all in /tmp, delete ~./kde2 (actually save it somewhere, then delete it) and put all your apps back in it! And like windows it does it at the most inopportune time. I'll be checking out xfce and Gnome. I have experienced non of the problems you talk about, however it maybe that with the hardware setup I have; both disk and memory space; I might just never see them beacuse of that fact. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
