database setup on win98
I am sadly lacking in knowledge about databases and how they are setup. Have a friend that has a small online business, text based. He needs to setup an information datbase on win98 so as he can search with good descrimination the dates and where and event took place that can discriminate between US dating and the eurpoean manner of dating. Is there some readable non techy text that he/we can manage to read. Most of it is far to difficult to digest for either of us. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
On May 23, 2002 09:18 pm, Keith Antoine wrote: On Friday 24 May 2002 13:13, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: with the emphasis on WINDOWS! Windows has blue screens of death - KDE just decides to quit working and you have to remove all in /tmp, delete ~./kde2 (actually save it somewhere, then delete it) and put all your apps back in it! And like windows it does it at the most inopportune time. I'll be checking out xfce and Gnome. I have experienced non of the problems you talk about, however it maybe that with the hardware setup I have; both disk and memory space; I might just never see them beacuse of that fact. I've used kde for quite a while and, like Keith, I also have yet to encounter any such problems. David Aikema ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
On Thu, 23 May 2002 21:28:27 -0700 David Aikema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 23, 2002 09:18 pm, Keith Antoine wrote: On Friday 24 May 2002 13:13, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: with the emphasis on WINDOWS! Windows has blue screens of death - KDE just decides to quit working and you have to remove all in /tmp, delete~./kde2 (actually save it somewhere, then delete it) and put all your apps back in it! And like windows it does it at the most inopportune time. I'll be checking out xfce and Gnome. I have experienced non of the problems you talk about, however it maybe that with the hardware setup I have; both disk and memory space; I might just never see them beacuse of that fact. I've used kde for quite a while and, like Keith, I also have yet to encounter any such problems. I only encounter them when doing an upgrade. All this really dumb confusion of /opt/kde vs. /opt/kde2, and $HOME/.kde vs. $HOME/.kde2 and $KDEDIR vs. $KDEDIRS and Desktop vs. Desktop2. This is a big part of what keeps screwing up the config files... In a kde2-only system, why are both needed? Is Caldera the only one that has both sets of things? -- ++===+ | Roger Oberholtzer | E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | OPQ Systems AB | WWW: http://www.opq.se/ | | Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 |Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 | | 115 32 Stockholm | Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 | | Sweden | Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 | ++===+ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: backup systems
Keith Antoine wrote: I have the local Chemist who is asking me to build 2 fileservers, not a big deal but! They have a tape backup system that has never been used (8gig) so its a biton the old side. In fact I do not think they would know how if the server went down or even if it is backing up. Or even if the data is usable. Due to the sort of proprietorty software the OS is win95, sheesh, and its being upgraded to win98. Now I am sure that we could use a raid motherboard and employ a backup system similar to raid mirror, as used on most email spoolers with hd mirroring. Anyone got experience here ?? Keith, you weren't really clear. Is the chemist looking to switch over to Linux, or stay with windoze98? If its Linux, i don't know that you'd even need to go with a fancy mobo. Then again, it all depends on how much data they need/want to backup, and how often. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 12:35am up 35 days, 7:28, 3 users, load average: 0.12, 0.21, 0.30 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
Keith Antoine wrote: On Friday 24 May 2002 13:13, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: That's what's so frustrating about KDE and why I'm abandoing it. Kmail is an excellent mail program - handles mail lists well, handles multiple accounts, good filtering - something others don't do. Knode is a decent newsreader. However, KDE is an oinking pig. It's a Window enviroment with the emphasis on WINDOWS! Windows has blue screens of death - KDE just decides to quit working and you have to remove all in /tmp, delete ~./kde2 (actually save it somewhere, then delete it) and put all your apps back in it! And like windows it does it at the most inopportune time. I'll be checking out xfce and Gnome. I have experienced non of the problems you talk about, however it maybe that with the hardware setup I have; both disk and memory space; I might just never see them beacuse of that fact. Or its because you've never used anything else with which to compare it. Install XFCE, and run it *once*, and i guarentee you'll notice how abhorant KDE is. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 12:30am up 35 days, 7:23, 3 users, load average: 0.15, 0.29, 0.35 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: database setup on win98
Keith, once again, are you looking for a Linux based solution, or something that would run on windoze98? Also, it sounds like you want a pretty front end to the DB, and not just some SQL queries, correct? Keith Antoine wrote: I am sadly lacking in knowledge about databases and how they are setup. Have a friend that has a small online business, text based. He needs to setup an information datbase on win98 so as he can search with good descrimination the dates and where and event took place that can discriminate between US dating and the eurpoean manner of dating. Is there some readable non techy text that he/we can manage to read. Most of it is far to difficult to digest for either of us. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 12:35am up 35 days, 7:28, 3 users, load average: 0.12, 0.21, 0.30 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: backup systems
Rather then a new MB it might be better to look into an IDE raid controller card or raid by software. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1 http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ideraid.html On Friday 24 May 2002 06:30, Keith Antoine wrote: I have the local Chemist who is asking me to build 2 fileservers, not a big deal but! They have a tape backup system that has never been used (8gig) so its a biton the old side. In fact I do not think they would know how if the server went down or even if it is backing up. Or even if the data is usable. Due to the sort of proprietorty software the OS is win95, sheesh, and its being upgraded to win98. Now I am sure that we could use a raid motherboard and employ a backup system similar to raid mirror, as used on most email spoolers with hd mirroring. Anyone got experience here ?? -- Ronnie Gauthier == Each days terror almost a form of boredom madmen at the wheel and stepping on the gas and the brakes no good and each day one, sometimes two, morning glories faultless, blue, blue sometimes flecked with magenta each lit from within with the first sunlight -- Denise Levertov -- ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: backup systems
IDE RAID is *garbage*. If you're going to use hardware RAID, use SCSI, or don't bother. SOftware RAID is even significantly better in both performance reliability than IDE RAID. Ronnie Gauthier wrote: Rather then a new MB it might be better to look into an IDE raid controller card or raid by software. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1 http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ideraid.html On Friday 24 May 2002 06:30, Keith Antoine wrote: I have the local Chemist who is asking me to build 2 fileservers, not a big deal but! They have a tape backup system that has never been used (8gig) so its a biton the old side. In fact I do not think they would know how if the server went down or even if it is backing up. Or even if the data is usable. Due to the sort of proprietorty software the OS is win95, sheesh, and its being upgraded to win98. Now I am sure that we could use a raid motherboard and employ a backup system similar to raid mirror, as used on most email spoolers with hd mirroring. Anyone got experience here ?? -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 1:40am up 35 days, 8:33, 3 users, load average: 0.16, 0.21, 0.14 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Amateur Video Production Using Free Software and Linux
http://www.linuxjournal.com//article.php?sid=5817 Of note is the comment on how XFS performance far outshines extX Reiser. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 1:45am up 35 days, 8:38, 3 users, load average: 0.02, 0.10, 0.10 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
On Friday 24 May 2002 17:19, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Thu, 23 May 2002 21:28:27 -0700 I only encounter them when doing an upgrade. All this really dumb confusion of /opt/kde vs. /opt/kde2, and $HOME/.kde vs. $HOME/.kde2 and $KDEDIR vs. $KDEDIRS and Desktop vs. Desktop2. This is a big part of what keeps screwing up the config files... In a kde2-only system, why are both needed? Is Caldera the only one that has both sets of things? Suse has /opt/kde2 and /opt/kde3 in $HOME there is .kde and .kde2 only one desktop plus $KDEDIR. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
On Friday 24 May 2002 17:35, Net Llama! wrote: No Lonni, its just that I do not like the other offerings, unlike yourself I like kde it suits me. Or its because you've never used anything else with which to compare it. Install XFCE, and run it *once*, and i guarentee you'll notice how abhorant KDE is. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: backup systems
On Friday 24 May 2002 17:38, Net Llama! wrote: Keith Antoine wrote: I have the local Chemist who is asking me to build 2 fileservers, not a big deal but! They have a tape backup system that has never been used (8gig) so its a biton the old side. In fact I do not think they would know how if the server went down or even if it is backing up. Or even if the data is usable. Due to the sort of proprietorty software the OS is win95, sheesh, and its being upgraded to win98. Now I am sure that we could use a raid motherboard and employ a backup system similar to raid mirror, as used on most email spoolers with hd mirroring. Anyone got experience here ?? Keith, you weren't really clear. Is the chemist looking to switch over to Linux, or stay with windoze98? Sorry yes it was unclear. The software used runs on win95 at the moment and will be running on win98, after rebuilds. Some will hopefully run on 2000 after the programmers finalise it. If its Linux, i don't know that you'd even need to go with a fancy mobo. Then again, it all depends on how much data they need/want to backup, and how often. The amount is unclear but it is very vulnerable, also it needs to be kept and transmitted to govt. I am looking at a failsafe system and he is not too worried about the H/w so long as the data is safe. It will have 5 POS hanging off it in a fairly busy pharmacy. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: backup systems
On Friday 24 May 2002 13:35, Ronnie Gauthier wrote: Rather then a new MB it might be better to look into an IDE raid controller card or raid by software. I am actually quoting him on 2 totally new server builds. The motherboard will have a promise (I think) controller built in. Gigabyte GA-7VRXP raid kt333 ddr333 -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
On Fri, 24 May 2002 19:07:19 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 24 May 2002 17:19, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Thu, 23 May 2002 21:28:27 -0700 I only encounter them when doing an upgrade. All this really dumb confusion of /opt/kde vs. /opt/kde2, and $HOME/.kde vs. $HOME/.kde2 and $KDEDIR vs. $KDEDIRS and Desktop vs. Desktop2. This is a big part of what keeps screwing up the config files... In a kde2-only system, why are both needed? Is Caldera the only one that has both sets of things? Suse has /opt/kde2 and /opt/kde3 in $HOME there is .kde and .kde2 only one desktop plus $KDEDIR. So is keeping an /opt/kde with a few mysterious items in it, as well as an /opt/kde2 with the actual KDE2 a Caldera thing? And what about $KDEDIRS ? If you don't ever have KDE1 installed (like a new Caldera 3.x install), then what is the point of KDEDIR pointing to where KDE is NOT installed but instead to a place that contains a few old relics present on the system for no documented reason? As Calders compile everything froms scratch in their distro (right?), what would want/need a place separate from where KDE2 is installed? If I later install a new KDE, then I place them elsewhere. But I am only wondering about the original install of a single version of KDE2. -- ++===+ | Roger Oberholtzer | E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | OPQ Systems AB | WWW: http://www.opq.se/ | | Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 |Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 | | 115 32 Stockholm | Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 | | Sweden | Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 | ++===+ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: backup systems
On Friday 24 May 2002 18:43, Net Llama! wrote: IDE RAID is *garbage*. If you're going to use hardware RAID, use SCSI, or don't bother. SOftware RAID is even significantly better in both performance reliability than IDE RAID. So you say to go with software raid, if so i'll change the motherboard from ide raid to the software raid. But what is the difference with scsi to ide raid. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
begin Brett I. Holcomb's quote: | That's what's so frustrating about KDE and why I'm abandoing it. | Kmail is an excellent mail program - handles mail lists well, | handles multiple accounts, good filtering - something others don't | do. Knode is a decent newsreader. However, KDE is an oinking pig. | It's a Window enviroment with the emphasis on WINDOWS! Windows | has blue screens of death - KDE just decides to quit working and | you have to remove all in /tmp, delete ~./kde2 (actually save it | somewhere, then delete it) and put all your apps back in it! And | like windows it does it at the most inopportune time. I'll be | checking out xfce and Gnome. you're right about its being untight code that requires more hardware than it ought to. but in constant use of kde on multiple machines here since 1.0, except for very early alphas i have *never* had it blow up on me. i do compile it myself, and i do pay attention to my hardware, and i suppose both of these might enter into it. but of the various complaints against it -- and there certainly are some -- instability has never been one around here. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
begin Roger Oberholtzer's quote: | I only encounter them when doing an upgrade. All this really dumb | confusion of /opt/kde vs. /opt/kde2, and $HOME/.kde vs. $HOME/.kde2 | and $KDEDIR vs. $KDEDIRS and Desktop vs. Desktop2. This is a big | part of what keeps screwing up the config files... | | In a kde2-only system, why are both needed? Is Caldera the only one | that has both sets of things? no, suse does some stuff with them which defies rational explanation. i suspect that part of the reason i've had great success with kde is that i do not try to do things with multiple versions on the same machine at the same time. that way lies madness. instead, i have three symlinks: /opt/kde, which points to whatever kde i'm using; /usr/lib/qt, which points to the qt appropriate to the kde in use; and ~/.kde, which points to my kde configuration files. when trying new versions, i change these symlinks to point to the new stuff, with ~/.kde being a copy of my old configuration files. if some application fails to work because of the guys didn't keep config file backward compatibility, i nuke it and let it build a new one which i then modify as needed. this way i can test new versions while keeping the old version pristine such that i can return to it; when the new version is stable, i switch entirely to it. (truth is, i've never had to go back much and certainly never for long.) there are those who would rather employ the elaborate recipes that purport to allow kde-1.x, kde-2.x, and kde-3.x stuff to run at once. these are imho highly questionable. also, i doubt that they work reliably. my brute-force method works every time. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
On Fri, 24 May 2002 05:28:57 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but of the various complaints against it -- and there certainly are some -- instability has never been one around here. -- dep Seems quite stable, but on my athlon1.4 it's slow to start apps, whereas xfce or icewm are instant on with most things. (unless they need to start some kde init) My favorite mode is to have both kde and gnome installed, but run the apps from xfce or icewm. (once I've used the kde or gnome menus enought to know what's available on each distro that I mess with) -- Ken M ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
On Fri, 24 May 2002 05:38:37 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: begin Roger Oberholtzer's quote: | I only encounter them when doing an upgrade. All this really dumb | confusion of /opt/kde vs. /opt/kde2, and $HOME/.kde vs. $HOME/.kde2 | and $KDEDIR vs. $KDEDIRS and Desktop vs. Desktop2. This is a big | part of what keeps screwing up the config files... | | In a kde2-only system, why are both needed? Is Caldera the only one | that has both sets of things? no, suse does some stuff with them which defies rational explanation. i suspect that part of the reason i've had great success with kde is that i do not try to do things with multiple versions on the same machine at the same time. that way lies madness. instead, i have three symlinks: /opt/kde, which points to whatever kde I do this as well. What makes this tricky on Caldera is that they have an /opt/kde and an /opt/kde2. When installing a new KDE in, say, /opt/kde3, which should point at it: /opt/kde (of course not) or /opt/kde2 ? If you redirect the distro's /opt/kde2 to your /opt/kde3, what to do with /opt/kde? I usually just let it be. But I think it, along with the KDEDIR/KDEDIRS duality, is a source of problems. Many programs want to use KDEDIR, which is not pointing to the distro. Only KDEDIRS does. Resulting in configuration inconsistencies. i'm using; /usr/lib/qt, which points to the qt appropriate to the kde in use; and ~/.kde, which points to my kde configuration files. when trying new versions, i change these symlinks to point to the new stuff, with ~/.kde being a copy of my old configuration files. if some application fails to work because of the guys didn't keep config file backward compatibility, i nuke it and let it build a new one which i then modify as needed. this way i can test new versions while keeping the old version pristine such that i can return to it; when the new version is stable, i switch entirely to it. (truth is, i've never had to go back much and certainly never for long.) there are those who would rather employ the elaborate recipes that purport to allow kde-1.x, kde-2.x, and kde-3.x stuff to run at once. these are imho highly questionable. also, i doubt that they work reliably. my brute-force method works every time. I go for the one at a time as well. I just think that it is harder to make it look like there is only one when there are two directories in /opt. -- ++===+ | Roger Oberholtzer | E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | OPQ Systems AB | WWW: http://www.opq.se/ | | Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 |Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 | | 115 32 Stockholm | Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 | | Sweden | Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 | ++===+ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Fri, 24 May 2002 14:15:02 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled intuitively: On Friday 24 May 2002 11:13, Matthew Carpenter wrote: wwwWRROOOuuuwuwSCREECHhhh Sorry. You asked for feedback Sounds like a great idea. BTW- Your nickname is skippy, so where does Gandalf come into this sig? Remember I used to use Merlin and my magic 'wand'. A short while ago someone called me gandalf. == Yes, yes, Skippy's a *Wizard* ;o) Mike -- He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you., he really is an idiot. -Groucho Marx ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: backup systems
On Fri, 24 May 2002, Keith Antoine wrote: On Friday 24 May 2002 17:38, Net Llama! wrote: Keith Antoine wrote: I have the local Chemist who is asking me to build 2 fileservers, not a big deal but! They have a tape backup system that has never been used (8gig) so its a biton the old side. In fact I do not think they would know how if the server went down or even if it is backing up. Or even if the data is usable. Due to the sort of proprietorty software the OS is win95, sheesh, and its being upgraded to win98. Now I am sure that we could use a raid motherboard and employ a backup system similar to raid mirror, as used on most email spoolers with hd mirroring. Anyone got experience here ?? Keith, you weren't really clear. Is the chemist looking to switch over to Linux, or stay with windoze98? Sorry yes it was unclear. The software used runs on win95 at the moment and will be running on win98, after rebuilds. Some will hopefully run on 2000 after the programmers finalise it. Sorry, but i can't offer any suggestions for windoze. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
Michael Scottaline wrote inter alia: Sounds like a great idea. BTW- Your nickname is skippy, so where does Gandalf come into this sig? Remember I used to use Merlin and my magic 'wand'. A short while ago someone called me gandalf. == Yes, yes, Skippy's a *Wizard* ;o) Gandalf is/was the name of the KDE setup wizard that greeted you after installing OL 2.x distro's using KDE 1. I guess he retired too. -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 1.9.1 Debian Linux System 5151 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Fri, 24 May 2002, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Michael Scottaline wrote inter alia: Sounds like a great idea. BTW- Your nickname is skippy, so where does Gandalf come into this sig? Remember I used to use Merlin and my magic 'wand'. A short while ago someone called me gandalf. == Yes, yes, Skippy's a *Wizard* ;o) Gandalf is/was the name of the KDE setup wizard that greeted you after installing OL 2.x distro's using KDE 1. I guess he retired too. Pity. That was the _only_ version of KDE that didn't suck. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: MAINTENANCE
On Friday May 24 2002 10:52 am, you interfaced in analog form:
If anyone notices anything funny with the site, let me know.
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Re: backup systems
On Friday 24 May 2002 08:43, Net Llama! wrote: IDE RAID is *garbage*. If you're going to use hardware RAID, use SCSI, or don't bother. Not true. IDE drives are reliable and fast enough now that most SMB will be very happy with their performance. -- Ronnie Gauthier == Each days terror almost a form of boredom madmen at the wheel and stepping on the gas and the brakes no good and each day one, sometimes two, morning glories faultless, blue, blue sometimes flecked with magenta each lit from within with the first sunlight -- Denise Levertov -- ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
I guess it's stable most of the time. My setup is Caldera's KDE 2.2.1 on WS 3.1. Periodically KDE decides it won't run some apps (last night it was Mozilla) in that they exit when asked to run. Then it decides it won't run when you login and gives you no panel or just the grey X screen background. At that time you have to do the save ~./kde2, delete it, clear out /tmp and DCOP files, then restart KDE, copy back what you want and run for a while longer. I have a stock system - no mods. To me this doesn't fit the Linux stability concept. dep wrote: begin Brett I. Holcomb's quote: | That's what's so frustrating about KDE and why I'm abandoing it. | Kmail is an excellent mail program - handles mail lists well, | handles multiple accounts, good filtering - something others don't | do. Knode is a decent newsreader. However, KDE is an oinking pig. | It's a Window enviroment with the emphasis on WINDOWS! Windows | has blue screens of death - KDE just decides to quit working and | you have to remove all in /tmp, delete ~./kde2 (actually save it | somewhere, then delete it) and put all your apps back in it! And | like windows it does it at the most inopportune time. I'll be | checking out xfce and Gnome. you're right about its being untight code that requires more hardware than it ought to. but in constant use of kde on multiple machines here since 1.0, except for very early alphas i have *never* had it blow up on me. i do compile it myself, and i do pay attention to my hardware, and i suppose both of these might enter into it. but of the various complaints against it -- and there certainly are some -- instability has never been one around here. -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
Thanks. If I go with xfce I don't want any part of KDE around any more but if I run KDE apps I'll need it so I'll continue my search for apps. Ken Moffat wrote: On Thu, 23 May 2002 22:13:35 -0500 Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll be checking out xfce and Gnome. xfce is very fast, lightweight, and configurable, and will read your kde and gnome menus in to it's desktop user menu, accessible by mouse right click on the desktop. Has some nice features. -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: backup systems
On Fri, 24 May 2002, Ronnie Gauthier wrote: On Friday 24 May 2002 08:43, Net Llama! wrote: IDE RAID is *garbage*. If you're going to use hardware RAID, use SCSI, or don't bother. Not true. IDE drives are reliable and fast enough now that most SMB will be very happy with their performance. *NO* IDE drives have performance eqivalent to a SCSI drive. IDE is not designed to be able to produce a sustainable data transfer rate, as is the case with SCSI. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: sherwin-williams drops sco for turbolinux
interesting comment... :) ... Gillen said another reason for the switch to Linux could be the shrinking revenue of Caldera, which bought SCO Unix. It doesn't give customers a strong sense of security, he said of Caldera's disappointing recent sales performance. That said, we do expect [Caldera] to be around for a long time. -- Linux 2.4.18 up 3 days, 7:01, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Join us in news://news.hkpcug.org and http://www.linux-sxs.org ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: backup systems
SCSI still has a higher MTBF than IDE by a significant margin. Regardless of the size of a business, they don't like hardware failure. On Fri, 24 May 2002, Ronnie Gauthier wrote: True. But as I stated, most SMB(Small/Medium Business) never put that much demand on a system. SCSI is overkill for them. On Friday 24 May 2002 18:50, Net Llama! wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2002, Ronnie Gauthier wrote: On Friday 24 May 2002 08:43, Net Llama! wrote: IDE RAID is *garbage*. If you're going to use hardware RAID, use SCSI, or don't bother. Not true. IDE drives are reliable and fast enough now that most SMB will be very happy with their performance. *NO* IDE drives have performance eqivalent to a SCSI drive. IDE is not designed to be able to produce a sustainable data transfer rate, as is the case with SCSI. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
Gandalf is also from Lord of the Rings. He was the wizard that befriended the hobbits and gave Bilbo the one ring to rule them all. Jim On Friday, May 24, 2002 9:55, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Michael Scottaline wrote inter alia: Sounds like a great idea. BTW- Your nickname is skippy, so where does Gandalf come into this sig? Remember I used to use Merlin and my magic 'wand'. A short while ago someone called me gandalf. == Yes, yes, Skippy's a *Wizard* ;o) Gandalf is/was the name of the KDE setup wizard that greeted you after installing OL 2.x distro's using KDE 1. I guess he retired too. -- 3:42pm up 18 days, 5:03, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Running Caldera W3.1 - Linux - because life is too short for reboots... ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: backup systems
That is one of the best medium priced MB's there is. You do pay for the onboard sound and NIC but the IDE is great, 4 IDE devices for raid OR 8 independant IDE devices. It is good for a SMB and really great for home/hobby use because of its 33/66/100/133 support. And yes, it is a promise controller. On Friday 24 May 2002 09:21, Keith Antoine wrote: On Friday 24 May 2002 13:35, Ronnie Gauthier wrote: Rather then a new MB it might be better to look into an IDE raid controller card or raid by software. I am actually quoting him on 2 totally new server builds. The motherboard will have a promise (I think) controller built in. Gigabyte GA-7VRXP raid kt333 ddr333 -- Ronnie Gauthier == Each days terror almost a form of boredom madmen at the wheel and stepping on the gas and the brakes no good and each day one, sometimes two, morning glories faultless, blue, blue sometimes flecked with magenta each lit from within with the first sunlight -- Denise Levertov -- ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: backup systems
On Friday 24 May 2002 23:27, Net Llama! wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2002, Keith Antoine wrote: On Friday 24 May 2002 18:43, Net Llama! wrote: IDE RAID is *garbage*. If you're going to use hardware RAID, use SCSI, or don't bother. SOftware RAID is even significantly better in both performance reliability than IDE RAID. So you say to go with software raid, if so i'll change the motherboard from ide raid to the software raid. But what is the difference with scsi to ide raid. Performance reliability. Any business that cares about their data doesn't put it on IDE drives. Also found out that it does not run on win98, 2000 only, but it does not run that well on 2000 either so thats out. He would not look at scsi at the prices so thats out too. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Amateur Video Production Using Free Software and Linux
On Fri, 24 May 2002 01:47:29 -0700 Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.linuxjournal.com//article.php?sid=5817 Of note is the comment on how XFS performance far outshines extX Reiser. It's amazing how a journaling fs can outperform one that doesn't. Seems to me that there should be some serious ext2 optimization that's being overlooked... -- * * Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux 7:22pm up 73 days, 34 min, 5 users, load average: 0.17, 0.15, 0.10 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: database setup on win98
On Friday 24 May 2002 23:26, Net Llama! wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2002, Keith Antoine wrote: On Friday 24 May 2002 17:40, Net Llama! wrote: Keith, once again, are you looking for a Linux based solution, or something that would run on windoze98? Also, it sounds like you want a pretty front end to the DB, and not just some SQL queries, correct? Again practically all busines runs on windows so yes its win98. Yes it would have to be a GUI front end so as he could understand it. Linux is not a dirty word here they just do not know it exists, I am trying to school them. I have actually got a linux file server/net server build for a pro photographer, not running as yet but will be soon. So do you want the frontend to run on windoze, or the entire DB? It will all have to run on windows. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: sherwin-williams drops sco for turbolinux
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 04:34:28AM +0800, M.W.Chang wrote: interesting comment... :) ... Gillen said another reason for the switch to Linux could be the shrinking revenue of Caldera, which bought SCO Unix. It doesn't give customers a strong sense of security, he said of Caldera's disappointing recent sales performance. That said, we do expect [Caldera] to be around for a long time. I wouldn't bet my business on that. When Caldera announced the SCO purchase, I had hoped that they would be getting the technical people and assets, leaving the marketing and most of the top management to count their stock options. Unfortunately many of the top people at SCO came along with the deal, the same ones who had been at the helm as SCO went from a solid company and product into an also-ran. Had I known that Caldera would be purchasing SCO at the time of the Caldera IPO, I would have probably convinced my wife that we didn't have to take advantage of the ``Friends Family'' opportunity on the IPO (she was pissed because I had not bought in on the Red Hat FF offer). I could have bought and installed a very nice standby generator and rewired our server room with the money we put into Caldera stock. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened.'' - Sir Winston Churchill ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Disk got a bad block; what now?
It's been a very long time since this happened to me, but my root partition seems to have come down with a case of bad block in the inode table. SCSI drive, too, though a bit old (not sure, maybe 7 years; its 4GB). Fsck indicates the files affected aren't too numerous or critical, they are /root/.cpan/sources/authors /var/webmin/miniserv.pid /var/webmin/sessiondb.pag /var/webmin/sessiondb.dir I can live without these, or rebuild them, or reload them. Whatever. I've used 'cp -a' to move my root partition to another drive, and things are running happily. Now I would like to reclaim that partition. Is there a recommended incantation for getting that block into the bad blocks table without formatting the whole bloody thing? Should I just try writing on it and hope it doesn't sin any more? Should I worry about the whole drive going bad? ++ kevin -- Kevin O'Gorman (805) 650-6274 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Permanent e-mail forwarder: mailto:Kevin.O'[EMAIL PROTECTED] At school: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.cs.ucsb.edu/~kogorman/index.html Web: http://kosmanor.com/~kevin/index.html Life is short; eat dessert first! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: backup systems
Skippy 2k has a built in backup from Backup Exc, now it is not the best around, but it is useable and free. Now if you can get them to use a Linux box with drive space, amanda is supposed to read any thing and back it up. Other than that most backups are 200 to depending on what direction you go. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
Scribbling feverishly on May 24, Jim Conner managed to emit: Gandalf is also from Lord of the Rings. He was the wizard that befriended the hobbits and gave Bilbo the one ring to rule them all. Nope. Bilbo found the ring in Gollum's cave. Kurt -- Fifth Law of Procrastination: Procrastination avoids boredom; one never has the feeling that there is nothing important to do. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
Or the ring found Bilbo G. Kurt Wall wrote: Scribbling feverishly on May 24, Jim Conner managed to emit: Gandalf is also from Lord of the Rings. He was the wizard that befriended the hobbits and gave Bilbo the one ring to rule them all. Nope. Bilbo found the ring in Gollum's cave. Kurt -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: database setup on win98
Have you considered an older version of MS Access --- say 97? Keith Antoine wrote: So do you want the frontend to run on windoze, or the entire DB? It will all have to run on windows. BOF ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
On Fri, 24 May 2002 21:16:04 -0400 begin Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth: Scribbling feverishly on May 24, Jim Conner managed to emit: Gandalf is also from Lord of the Rings. He was the wizard that befriended the hobbits and gave Bilbo the one ring to rule them all. Sauron created the rings -- the ring Gollum stole was the one ring. Nine rings for mortal men doomed to die, seven rings for the elven kings under the sky ... etc. (5 and 3 IIRC) ... one ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. What we should be calling skippy is Goodgulf from Bored of the Rings. ;-) Nope. Bilbo found the ring in Gollum's cave. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Disk got a bad block; what now?
Suggest you dump it. Once they start to go bad they just keep peeling and losing data, then the ability to boot. Kevin O'Gorman wrote: It's been a very long time since this happened to me, but my root partition seems to have come down with a case of bad block in the inode table. SCSI drive, too, though a bit old (not sure, maybe 7 years; its 4GB). Fsck indicates the files affected aren't too numerous or critical, they are /root/.cpan/sources/authors /var/webmin/miniserv.pid /var/webmin/sessiondb.pag /var/webmin/sessiondb.dir I can live without these, or rebuild them, or reload them. Whatever. I've used 'cp -a' to move my root partition to another drive, and things are running happily. Now I would like to reclaim that partition. Is there a recommended incantation for getting that block into the bad blocks table without formatting the whole bloody thing? Should I just try writing on it and hope it doesn't sin any more? Should I worry about the whole drive going bad? ++ kevin ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Caldera 3.1.1
Dang, and I read the books earlier this year, and saw the movie. I must be getting forgetful. :) Jim On Friday, May 24, 2002 8:16, Kurt Wall wrote: Scribbling feverishly on May 24, Jim Conner managed to emit: Gandalf is also from Lord of the Rings. He was the wizard that befriended the hobbits and gave Bilbo the one ring to rule them all. Nope. Bilbo found the ring in Gollum's cave. Kurt -- 9:42pm up 18 days, 11:03, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Running Caldera W3.1 - Linux - because life is too short for reboots... ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: database setup on win98
You could either go with Access, Delphi, or Kylix. Good thing about Kylix is that it is cross-platform. I've done some messing around with Delphi. It's easy to put together a decent prototype without touching a line of code. To put in all the bells and whistles that the end-user invariably wants, you will have to do some coding. Kylix is much the same way. You can take a look at the free version of Kylix and decide if it is something you want. One other choice is to use HTML and PHP to access the database with a browser. I'm sure there are other choices as well. Jim On Friday, May 24, 2002 6:25, Keith Antoine wrote: On Friday 24 May 2002 23:26, Net Llama! wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2002, Keith Antoine wrote: On Friday 24 May 2002 17:40, Net Llama! wrote: Keith, once again, are you looking for a Linux based solution, or something that would run on windoze98? Also, it sounds like you want a pretty front end to the DB, and not just some SQL queries, correct? Again practically all busines runs on windows so yes its win98. Yes it would have to be a GUI front end so as he could understand it. Linux is not a dirty word here they just do not know it exists, I am trying to school them. I have actually got a linux file server/net server build for a pro photographer, not running as yet but will be soon. So do you want the frontend to run on windoze, or the entire DB? It will all have to run on windows. -- 9:42pm up 18 days, 11:03, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Running Caldera W3.1 - Linux - because life is too short for reboots... ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Disk got a bad block; what now?
As was suggested by another e-mail, the problem will just get worse, not better. But if you want to mark bad blocks use the following commands. badblocks -o bad_blocks_file fsck -l bad_blocks_file The best bet is to look at the file generated and see how many bad blocks there actually are. If you do this, I wouldn't use that partition for any mission critical stuff due to reliability. Jim On Friday, May 24, 2002 6:42, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: It's been a very long time since this happened to me, but my root partition seems to have come down with a case of bad block in the inode table. SCSI drive, too, though a bit old (not sure, maybe 7 years; its 4GB). Fsck indicates the files affected aren't too numerous or critical, they are /root/.cpan/sources/authors /var/webmin/miniserv.pid /var/webmin/sessiondb.pag /var/webmin/sessiondb.dir I can live without these, or rebuild them, or reload them. Whatever. I've used 'cp -a' to move my root partition to another drive, and things are running happily. Now I would like to reclaim that partition. Is there a recommended incantation for getting that block into the bad blocks table without formatting the whole bloody thing? Should I just try writing on it and hope it doesn't sin any more? Should I worry about the whole drive going bad? ++ kevin -- 9:42pm up 18 days, 11:03, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Running Caldera W3.1 - Linux - because life is too short for reboots... ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: What's the best filesystem battery-wise for laptops?
Bob Raymond wrote: This question may have been asked before, and I apologize if it has, but my friend has a problem with battery life on his laptop. He only gets about fifty minutes to an hour in Linux, while in WindeXP, it's more like two hours. One thing I notice in Linux is that there's a lot more HD useage going on. Could this be because of the ReiserFS that's on there now? More likely because his system isn't properly tuned, or he's doing things that are I/O intensive. I've give 512MB of swap, other wise, he's going to use up all the physical memory swap, and then the system is going to grind to a hault, as it keeps paging in out of memory. He's coming over Sunday so I can install SuSE 8.0 (to replace 7.3) and I noticed XFS is one of the options. I know from personal experience that it is faster than ReiserFS, but how good is it on the batteries, or is the filesystem even the problem? The filesystem has little to no effect. I'd wager good money that windozeXP is not spinning up his HD to 5400rpm, and is halving his CPU clock speed in order to save power. apm can definitely help with this stuff in Linux (as could the BIOS, possibly), however the question comes down to whether he wants performance or battery life. Something else to consider is his kernel, which i really doubt was optimized for a mobile system, or his CPU. specs: Sager NP5620 Intel P4 1.8ghz ATI Mobility Radeon 7500 30GB 5400 RPM HD, Part. table: 8mb /boot /dev/hda1 That's a wee bit small. I'd give it at least 15MB. 15GB (approx). / /dev/hda2 256mb (approx). swap /dev/hda3 14GB (approx). /windoze/C /dev/hda3 256mb PC2100 DDR -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 8:50pm up 36 days, 3:43, 3 users, load average: 0.27, 0.23, 0.37 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Disk got a bad block; what now?
That's hardly always the case. Some drives go to hell quickly, others just have minor defects and are usable for years. I've got an ancient 256MB IBM IDE drive that has had a grand total of 4 bad blocks for the past 5 years, and never increased. I've also seen a few drives that literally filled up with them in the span of a few days. If you've got your data backed up, and don't mind having to reload the box in the event of a disk failure, then i'd keep it in service and monitor it to see if the number of bad blocks increases. Lee wrote: Suggest you dump it. Once they start to go bad they just keep peeling and losing data, then the ability to boot. Kevin O'Gorman wrote: It's been a very long time since this happened to me, but my root partition seems to have come down with a case of bad block in the inode table. SCSI drive, too, though a bit old (not sure, maybe 7 years; its 4GB). Fsck indicates the files affected aren't too numerous or critical, they are /root/.cpan/sources/authors /var/webmin/miniserv.pid /var/webmin/sessiondb.pag /var/webmin/sessiondb.dir I can live without these, or rebuild them, or reload them. Whatever. I've used 'cp -a' to move my root partition to another drive, and things are running happily. Now I would like to reclaim that partition. Is there a recommended incantation for getting that block into the bad blocks table without formatting the whole bloody thing? Should I just try writing on it and hope it doesn't sin any more? Should I worry about the whole drive going bad? -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 8:55pm up 36 days, 3:48, 3 users, load average: 0.06, 0.15, 0.29 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Disk got a bad block; what now?
Thanks, these are the commands I was looking for. I'll probably ditch the drive before long, but it will be because it's just too small. And for that, I'm waiting because of money. ++ kevin On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 10:45:41PM -0500, Jim Conner wrote: As was suggested by another e-mail, the problem will just get worse, not better. But if you want to mark bad blocks use the following commands. badblocks -o bad_blocks_file fsck -l bad_blocks_file The best bet is to look at the file generated and see how many bad blocks there actually are. If you do this, I wouldn't use that partition for any mission critical stuff due to reliability. Jim On Friday, May 24, 2002 6:42, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: It's been a very long time since this happened to me, but my root partition seems to have come down with a case of bad block in the inode table. SCSI drive, too, though a bit old (not sure, maybe 7 years; its 4GB). Fsck indicates the files affected aren't too numerous or critical, they are /root/.cpan/sources/authors /var/webmin/miniserv.pid /var/webmin/sessiondb.pag /var/webmin/sessiondb.dir I can live without these, or rebuild them, or reload them. Whatever. I've used 'cp -a' to move my root partition to another drive, and things are running happily. Now I would like to reclaim that partition. Is there a recommended incantation for getting that block into the bad blocks table without formatting the whole bloody thing? Should I just try writing on it and hope it doesn't sin any more? Should I worry about the whole drive going bad? ++ kevin -- 9:42pm up 18 days, 11:03, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Running Caldera W3.1 - Linux - because life is too short for reboots... ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. -- Kevin O'Gorman (805) 650-6274 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Permanent e-mail forwarder: mailto:Kevin.O'[EMAIL PROTECTED] At school: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.cs.ucsb.edu/~kogorman/index.html Web: http://kosmanor.com/~kevin/index.html Life is short; eat dessert first! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: What's the best filesystem battery-wise for laptops?
You also want to look for processes or cron jobs that hit the disk on a regular basis. For many distros, there's a statistics gathering thing that runs hourly (but leaves a daemon that comes alive every 10 minutes or so). This is a frequent culprit. ++ kevin On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 08:56:20PM -0700, Net Llama! wrote: Bob Raymond wrote: This question may have been asked before, and I apologize if it has, but my friend has a problem with battery life on his laptop. He only gets about fifty minutes to an hour in Linux, while in WindeXP, it's more like two hours. One thing I notice in Linux is that there's a lot more HD useage going on. Could this be because of the ReiserFS that's on there now? More likely because his system isn't properly tuned, or he's doing things that are I/O intensive. I've give 512MB of swap, other wise, he's going to use up all the physical memory swap, and then the system is going to grind to a hault, as it keeps paging in out of memory. He's coming over Sunday so I can install SuSE 8.0 (to replace 7.3) and I noticed XFS is one of the options. I know from personal experience that it is faster than ReiserFS, but how good is it on the batteries, or is the filesystem even the problem? The filesystem has little to no effect. I'd wager good money that windozeXP is not spinning up his HD to 5400rpm, and is halving his CPU clock speed in order to save power. apm can definitely help with this stuff in Linux (as could the BIOS, possibly), however the question comes down to whether he wants performance or battery life. Something else to consider is his kernel, which i really doubt was optimized for a mobile system, or his CPU. specs: Sager NP5620 Intel P4 1.8ghz ATI Mobility Radeon 7500 30GB 5400 RPM HD, Part. table: 8mb /boot /dev/hda1 That's a wee bit small. I'd give it at least 15MB. 15GB (approx). / /dev/hda2 256mb (approx). swap /dev/hda3 14GB (approx). /windoze/C /dev/hda3 256mb PC2100 DDR -- ~ L. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo: http://netllama.ipfox.com 8:50pm up 36 days, 3:43, 3 users, load average: 0.27, 0.23, 0.37 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. -- Kevin O'Gorman (805) 650-6274 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Permanent e-mail forwarder: mailto:Kevin.O'[EMAIL PROTECTED] At school: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.cs.ucsb.edu/~kogorman/index.html Web: http://kosmanor.com/~kevin/index.html Life is short; eat dessert first! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
