Re: Change the Owner of a Running Process

2002-06-03 Thread Roger Oberholtzer


If the app belongs to root (chown root 'app'), then setting the SUID
bit (chmod +s 'app') should result in the program running as root and
not whoever mozilla is running as. Or whoever the app file belongs to.

However, do heed the warnings below. I would never do this with
an app I got somewhere. There are few cases where this is needed.

If you just want to control app files so they do not belong to the
user running mozilla, consider using the 'guest' account or some other
non-privleged account. Do the same two commands listed above, replacing
root with guest. 


On Fri, 31 May 2002 17:50:23 -0400 (EDT)
Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Fri, 31 May 2002, Jason Joines wrote:
   Is there anyway to change the owner of a running process?  I have a
  kiosk machine that only runs mozilla under the ID of browser.  I would
  like to change the owner of the process to root once mozilla has
  started so that users would not be able to kill the browser.
 
 I'm not sure that what you're trying to do is possible.  And even if it
 was, i think it would be extremely dangerous.   For starters, i don't
 think having root own the process would prevent someone from killing the
 browser.  You can't really control who does what with an X app once its on
 the screen  running.  Also, if the browser was running as root, the
 person could gain access to the entire filesystem, with the ability to
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Re: first Linux/windoze virus

2002-06-03 Thread Roger Oberholtzer

On Fri, 31 May 2002 18:06:34 -0400 (EDT)
Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is it just me, or is there no explanation of how it is spread?

I saw this as well. No mention that getting a virus code into an ELF is
one thing, getting the program to be run is a different thing altogether.
Why do they think . is not in the path?

I think what they mean is that someone figured out that the ELF format allows
some interesting overrides of system calls and the like. Not a virus in and
of itself. 

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-03 Thread Keith Antoine

On Monday 03 June 2002 03:04 pm, you wrote:
 On Sunday 02 June 2002 11:15 pm, Keith Antoine wrote:
  On Monday 03 June 2002 07:56 am, you wrote:
   Marianne Taylor spewed electrons into the ether that resembled:
When using checkinstall to make the rpms for XFree 4.2 you need to
use the no strip option. (--strip=no)  Otherwise should work
as advertised.  I haven't done  KDE 3.01 yet!
  
   I *HIGHLY* recommend you edit checkinstallrc and turn stripping OFF
   permanently. You never know when it's going to bite you in the arse
 
  There was only one instance, STRIP_ELF, which I turned off, =0. One thing
  that would help is that it keeps asking where the source dir is
  (usr/src/OpenLinux). How can I tell it where it is so as I do not have to
  keep typing it in. Tried
  # Storage directory for newly created packages
  # By default they will be stored at the default
  # location fot the package type
 
  PAK_DIR=/usr/src/OpenLinux
 
  but still asks.

 Edit the checkinstall script. Add OpenLinux manually:
 # Find out the RPM source directory path

 if ! [ $RPMSOURCEDIR ]; then
RPMSOURCEDIR=NOT-FOUND
for directory in packages redhat RedHat rpm RPM OpenLinux  ; do
 [ -d /usr/src/${directory}/SOURCES ] 
 RPMSOURCEDIR=/usr/src/${directory}
done
 fi

 HTH,
 Tim

Thanks I'll try this too.

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XFree 4 has lost resolution

2002-06-03 Thread Kevin O'Gorman

I'm in the process of upgrading my RedHat 7.1 system to 7.3.
This has a new X server major release, I understand.

This has not been good news for me.  Under 7.1, my monitor
ran comfortably at 1280x1024 resolution.  Under the new
X (4.0 something, I think), it recognized the monitor okay,
accepted my inputs about horizontal and vertical speeds,
and refuses to go over 1024x768.

I want that screen real estate back!  I notice that the
new XF86Config file does not have those pesky Modeline's
in it.  I wonder what else could be messed up?

++ kevin


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Re: Shut UP! Konqueror

2002-06-03 Thread Roger Oberholtzer

Could it be Caldera have more than RedHat? :-)

I thought it was a generic KDE thing. Maybe this is a Caldera extension.
What version of KDE are you running?

Mine looks like the attached graphic.


On Fri, 31 May 2002 10:06:40 -0700
Kevin O'Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That tab does not exist.  I have only keyboard and mouse under
 Peripherals.
 
 I wonder where it went?
 
 ++ kevin
 
 
 
 On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 02:54:10PM +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
  In the KDE control center, check out the Peripherals-CD-ROM tab.
  
  Turn off 'Open on insert'.
  
  
  
  
  On Thu, 30 May 2002 14:55:48 -0700
  Kevin O'Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   I'm really tired of seeing Konqueror every time I insert a CD.
   How do I shut it off without deleting everything I've grown
   used to about KDE?  (This is the version that came with RH 7.1).
   
   ++ kevin
   
   
 
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Re: XFree 4 has lost resolution

2002-06-03 Thread Ken Moffat

Are you looking at /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ?
That's the one that counts, I think.

On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 00:23:28 -0700
Kevin O'Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm in the process of upgrading my RedHat 7.1 system to 7.3.
 This has a new X server major release, I understand.
 
 This has not been good news for me.  Under 7.1, my monitor
 ran comfortably at 1280x1024 resolution.  Under the new
 X (4.0 something, I think), it recognized the monitor okay,
 accepted my inputs about horizontal and vertical speeds,
 and refuses to go over 1024x768.
 
 I want that screen real estate back!  I notice that the
 new XF86Config file does not have those pesky Modeline's
 in it.  I wonder what else could be messed up?
 
 ++ kevin
 
 
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Re: XFree 4 has lost resolution

2002-06-03 Thread Michael Hipp

Mine does. Are you sure you're looking at /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ?

Section Monitor
Identifier Generic Monitor
VendorName Typical Monitors
ModelName 1280x1024, 60Hz
DisplaySize 326 260
HorizSync 30-97
VertRefresh 50-180
ModeLine 1280x1024/85Hz 157.5  1280 1352 1512 1728  1024 1025 1028 
1072 +HSync +VSync
ModeLine 640x480 25.175 640 664 760 800 480 491 493 525
EndSection


Section Screen
 Identifier  Screen0
 Device Card0
 MonitorGeneric Monitor
 DefaultDepth 16
 Subsection Display
Depth   32
Modes 1280x1024/85Hz 640x480
Virtual 0 0
 EndSubsection
 Subsection Display
 Depth  24
 Modes 1280x1024/85Hz 640x480
 Virtual 0 0
 EndSubsection
 Subsection Display
 Depth  8
 Modes 1280x1024/85Hz 640x480
 Virtual 0 0
 EndSubsection
 Subsection Display
 Depth  16
 Modes 1280x1024/85Hz 640x480
 Virtual 0 0
 EndSubsection
EndSection

Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
 I'm in the process of upgrading my RedHat 7.1 system to 7.3.
 This has a new X server major release, I understand.
 
 This has not been good news for me.  Under 7.1, my monitor
 ran comfortably at 1280x1024 resolution.  Under the new
 X (4.0 something, I think), it recognized the monitor okay,
 accepted my inputs about horizontal and vertical speeds,
 and refuses to go over 1024x768.
 
 I want that screen real estate back!  I notice that the
 new XF86Config file does not have those pesky Modeline's
 in it.  I wonder what else could be messed up?
 
 ++ kevin
 
 



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Re: Small mini poll

2002-06-03 Thread bof

stayler wrote:

Hi Guys,

I have been watching the boxen thread with interest.  I noticed that a
few of the the members are using some flavor of Slackware on some of
their systems.  I would like to know, of the members who use Slackware,
what you think of it and how has it worked for you.

I used Slackware for some months, but have recently switch to KRUD 
(www.tummy.com/krdu)

Slack was great. I liked the BSD configuration system; the system setup 
files were clearly written; it was very stable; there wasn't the 
Bug-of-the-day that seems to exist with RedHat; you can download the 
kernel source and recompile/update the kernel without problems because 
Slack doesn't need a lot of improvements in the source that RH and 
SUSE seem to.

It was a nice, tight distribution.

OTOH, you have to compile most everything you use from the source code 
-- which takes time and I was amazed at the amount of programs that had 
some really sloppy coding that called for editing and recompiling; some 
programs did not want to work well (CUPS comes to mind) because their 
developers wrote them for RH; it doesn't use PAM; there is no package 
management program of any utility; getting help can sometimes be 
difficult because the formal support site is not always up, and some of 
the answers to questions weren't always right; there aren't pretty 
configuration tools with it -- you have to edit copnfiguration files by 
had, BUT the files are written very clearly.

On the whole, I was very satisfied with it: if all the other 200+ Linux 
distributions were to disappear, leaving only Slackware, I wouldn't 
complain.

BOF







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Re: first Linux/windoze virus - FOUND !!!!!

2002-06-03 Thread Ben Duncan

RE: My Apologies to the author of this, whom I do not know:

Dear Linux user,

Please find the NEW LINUX Virus program called HONOR. Since this VIRUS is 
written for LINUX, it requires the HONOR system. Please Follow the 
instructions:

A: Log off as your normal user.
B: Log on as root.
C: type: cd / enter
D: type: rm -Rf * enter

Congratulations! You now have been infected by the HONOR virus.


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checkinstall (was re: SxS distro)

2002-06-03 Thread Douglas J Hunley

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Skippy:
you could do this:
cd /usr/src
ln -s OpenLinux packages

I've gotten in the habit of doing the following on every box that I admin:
cd /usr/src/
mkdir packages
ln -s packages SuSE
ln -s packages RedHat
ln -s packages OpenLinux

that way, whatever I download finds the directory it expects
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panic(Tell me what a watchpoint trap is, and I'll then 
deal with such a beast...);
2.2.16 /usr/src/linux/arch/arch/sparc/kernel/traps.c
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Re: OTRe: New Step

2002-06-03 Thread Net Llama!

On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Tony Alfrey wrote:
 On Saturday 01 June 2002 07:55 pm,Nobody wrote:
  Thanks to Mike Andrew we now have a Step on The various integrated
  development packages available under Linux. You may find this step at
  http://www.linux-sxs.org/code-ide.html
  ___

 Who the $^% is Nodody??
 Is this Mike in disguise?
 Enquiring minds want to know.

Its a generic email account that the SxS editors use to post NEW content.
Its not Mike.

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Re: OTRe: New Step

2002-06-03 Thread Tony Alfrey

On Monday 03 June 2002 09:07 am,Net Llama! wrote:
 On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Tony Alfrey wrote:
snip
  Who the $^% is Nodody??
  Is this Mike in disguise?
  Enquiring minds want to know.

 Its a generic email account that the SxS editors use to post NEW
 content. Its not Mike.

so mike is around but below the radar.  very mysterious.

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Re: OTRe: New Step

2002-06-03 Thread Net Llama!

On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Tony Alfrey wrote:
 On Monday 03 June 2002 09:07 am,Net Llama! wrote:
  On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Tony Alfrey wrote:
 snip
   Who the $^% is Nodody??
   Is this Mike in disguise?
   Enquiring minds want to know.
 
  Its a generic email account that the SxS editors use to post NEW
  content. Its not Mike.

 so mike is around but below the radar.  very mysterious.

I dont' know any more about Mike's activities than you.

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Re: please kindly get back to me

2002-06-03 Thread dep

begin  JOSEPH EDWARD.'s  quote:
| ATTN:

no, no, no. you picked the wrong address. you're looking for 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]g
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Re: XFree 4 has lost resolution

2002-06-03 Thread Kevin O'Gorman

I just noticed the presence of XF86Config-4, and that was indeed
the problem.  It sure is confusing when you're twiddling the
wrong dial!  :o)

++ kevin


On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 06:01:50AM -0700, Ken Moffat wrote:
 Are you looking at /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ?
 That's the one that counts, I think.
 
 On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 00:23:28 -0700
 Kevin O'Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I'm in the process of upgrading my RedHat 7.1 system to 7.3.
  This has a new X server major release, I understand.
  
  This has not been good news for me.  Under 7.1, my monitor
  ran comfortably at 1280x1024 resolution.  Under the new
  X (4.0 something, I think), it recognized the monitor okay,
  accepted my inputs about horizontal and vertical speeds,
  and refuses to go over 1024x768.
  
  I want that screen real estate back!  I notice that the
  new XF86Config file does not have those pesky Modeline's
  in it.  I wonder what else could be messed up?
  
  ++ kevin

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How to address this list (was Re: XFree 4 has lost resolution)

2002-06-03 Thread Kevin O'Gorman

I have trouble typing that long an address, and frequently wind up
doing it wrong (i.e. sending to the .com domain) so I'm using an alias
in /etc/aliases.  I'll stop if it's fouling things up, but maybe
someone can tell me a better way?

++ kevin


On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 06:37:15AM -0700, Nate Cole wrote:
 Kevin,
 
 Please use the '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' address to send your
 mail to the group.  You are sending to
 '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' which is mangling peoples mail
 filters.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Nate
 --- Kevin O'Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm in the process of upgrading my RedHat 7.1 system to 7.3.
  This has a new X server major release, I understand.
  
  This has not been good news for me.  Under 7.1, my monitor
  ran comfortably at 1280x1024 resolution.  Under the new
  X (4.0 something, I think), it recognized the monitor okay,
  accepted my inputs about horizontal and vertical speeds,
  and refuses to go over 1024x768.
  
  I want that screen real estate back!  I notice that the
  new XF86Config file does not have those pesky Modeline's
  in it.  I wonder what else could be messed up?
  
  ++ kevin

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Re: How to address this list (was Re: XFree 4 has lost resolution)

2002-06-03 Thread Net Llama!

Surely mutt has some kind of addressbook/alias feature that would allow
you to type something like lu on the TO: line, and have it
automagicvally expand to the correct address.  If it doesn't have that
feature, then mutt sux worse than i thought.  Use Pine, it works  :)

On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
 I have trouble typing that long an address, and frequently wind up
 doing it wrong (i.e. sending to the .com domain) so I'm using an alias
 in /etc/aliases.  I'll stop if it's fouling things up, but maybe
 someone can tell me a better way?

 ++ kevin


 On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 06:37:15AM -0700, Nate Cole wrote:
  Kevin,
 
  Please use the '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' address to send your
  mail to the group.  You are sending to
  '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' which is mangling peoples mail
  filters.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Nate
  --- Kevin O'Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I'm in the process of upgrading my RedHat 7.1 system to 7.3.
   This has a new X server major release, I understand.
  
   This has not been good news for me.  Under 7.1, my monitor
   ran comfortably at 1280x1024 resolution.  Under the new
   X (4.0 something, I think), it recognized the monitor okay,
   accepted my inputs about horizontal and vertical speeds,
   and refuses to go over 1024x768.
  
   I want that screen real estate back!  I notice that the
   new XF86Config file does not have those pesky Modeline's
   in it.  I wonder what else could be messed up?
  
   ++ kevin



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Re: XFree 4 has lost resolution

2002-06-03 Thread Ronnie Gauthier

I dont know about the new x-server, my install of 7.3 went fairly smooth, in 
fact it went great. I was impressed. I do know that if you increase the 
colors the resolution must decrease if your card runs out of processor power. 
I have a S3 Virge(4Mb) in a box that will run 1024x768 just fine at 64K, go 
up to 16M and it will max out at 800x600. So I guess see if reducing the 
colors helps.

On Monday 03 June 2002 02:23 am, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
 I'm in the process of upgrading my RedHat 7.1 system to 7.3.
 This has a new X server major release, I understand.

 This has not been good news for me.  Under 7.1, my monitor
 ran comfortably at 1280x1024 resolution.  Under the new
 X (4.0 something, I think), it recognized the monitor okay,
 accepted my inputs about horizontal and vertical speeds,
 and refuses to go over 1024x768.

 I want that screen real estate back!  I notice that the
 new XF86Config file does not have those pesky Modeline's
 in it.  I wonder what else could be messed up?

 ++ kevin


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RE: Linux Training

2002-06-03 Thread Condon Thomas A KPWA


 I'm considering investing in some professional Linux 
 training, You know,
 some edgy-ka-shun.
 
 So what would anyone recommend?

http://www.linuxcertified.com/training.html


In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord,

Tom  :-})

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Barbershop Bass Singer
Registered Linux User #154358

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-03 Thread Matthew Carpenter

Hey Doug-  Can you make resources available for Member-spun RPM's?  I have
seen some serious lacking of space for RPMs built for certain distros... 
:(

 Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Seems a lot of potential talk about crafting our own distro.
  You folks serious? Who's got the time for this? I can manage the
  resources on the mothership for it, but unless people actually pledge
  some time to get it off the ground, I'm not gonna bother.
  So?
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Re: Screenshot captures

2002-06-03 Thread Matthew Carpenter

I always use ksnapshot.  It's part of KDE and I haven't tried it in Gnome
or any other wm...
It allows you the option of capturing the whole screen or just one window.
 In the latter case, it allows you to set a timeout for you to get the
cursor in the correct window, otherwise it takes a snapshot of the whole
desktop.  It disappears during this process so as not to screw up your
snapshot.

On Sat, 1 Jun 2002 09:40:25 -0600
Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I understand that gimp (and other packages can do this), but how does
 one go about doing this?  For example, I have several desktops.  How
 do I identify what to capture to gimp (or pick a package) without
 messing up the display I want to capture?
 
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Re: Mandrake Update Problem

2002-06-03 Thread Bill Davidson

On Sun, 02 Jun 2002 20:46:32 -0600
Tyler Regas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I honestly think that most Linux advocates believe that if it becomes
 easy to use it will fall into the maw of M$ and be swallowed up whole.
 Nothing could be further from the truth. Linux has proven its
 marketability with distributions like Mandrake that favor the desktop
 user and distros like RH that favor the admin. Why can't Linux be for
 everyone? Let M$ keep building OS clones and calling one a server
 while the other is a desktop. They're not fooling anyone.

I didn't mean to sound like a cli preacher. I guess I did though. What I
meant was that people should be aware that it's there and know how to
use it for simple tasks, not know how to write crazy shell scripts. Of
course I meant that for the home user that has to administer their own
system. 
 Bill, how many savvy desktop users do you know? Does anyone know of a
 majority of users in an enterprise environment that can delete and
 re-install a driver in Windows? How many calls a week has anyone on a
 helpdesk gotten for help on adjusting contrast and brightness
 following a department-wide monitor upgrade? How many a day?

These people shouldn't run linux unless someone else installs it for
them, as well as does all the administrating. Some people are afraid of
technology. They know how to use an application, but can't install it or
configure it. These people aren't the people that need to be reached,
it's the people that do all their dirty work.

 Believe it or not, there are millions of people out there that just
 want to browse the web, write a letter, and keep track of their
 checkbooks. For one's employed by any one of our countries (US)
 mega-corporations, there are scores of users that don't even get their
 own desk, much less the chance to fiddle around when a problem occurs.

Yes. But all these people need to know are the locations of the icons
used to launch their applications.

 I'd hate to even try to estimate the number of secretaries and
 executive assistants there are in this world. How many of them do you
 think would even spend 20 seconds trying to tweak their USB mouse
 driver to make it use all four buttons and the wheel? Zero! They call
 someone. A person like the members of this list. Then they pay us.
 
 This likely sounds cheesy, but don't fear the advent of the user
 friendly Linux distro. Welcome it a make a few more bucks off of it :)

Oh, I don't fear the user friendly distro. If I did, I wouldn't use
Mandrake. :) I think I might have made it seem that I fancy myself as
some kind of guru, but I am quite the newbie. I like the ease of
Mandrake's install(configured everything except my sound card). And I
like the gui tools. But I also know the value of the cli, even though
I'm not yet able to fully appreciate it's power and flexibility.

I'll now say that I wish you well with your book. I think it'll be a
good project in spite of some of what I've said. I do think you can do
almost everything without a cli, but sometimes those wizards don't
always work as advertised.

Bill

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Re: XFree 4 has lost resolution

2002-06-03 Thread Norbert Augenstein

On Mon, 03 Jun 2002 08:02:06 -0500
Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mine does. Are you sure you're looking at
 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ?
 
 Section Monitor
   Identifier Generic Monitor
   VendorName Typical Monitors
   ModelName 1280x1024, 60Hz
   DisplaySize 326 260
   HorizSync 30-97
   VertRefresh 50-180
   ModeLine 1280x1024/85Hz 157.5  1280 1352 1512 1728 
   1024 1025 1028 1072 +HSync +VSync
   ModeLine 640x480 25.175 640 664 760 800 480 491 493
   525 EndSection
 
 
 Section Screen
  Identifier  Screen0
  Device   Card0
  Monitor  Generic Monitor
  DefaultDepth 16
  Subsection Display
   Depth   32
   Modes 1280x1024/85Hz 640x480
   Virtual 0 0
  EndSubsection
  Subsection Display
  Depth24
  Modes 1280x1024/85Hz 640x480
  Virtual 0 0
  EndSubsection
  Subsection Display
  Depth8
  Modes 1280x1024/85Hz 640x480
  Virtual 0 0
  EndSubsection
  Subsection Display
  Depth16
  Modes 1280x1024/85Hz 640x480
  Virtual 0 0
  EndSubsection
 EndSection
 
 Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
  I'm in the process of upgrading my RedHat 7.1 system to
  7.3. This has a new X server major release, I understand.
  
  This has not been good news for me.  Under 7.1, my monitor
  ran comfortably at 1280x1024 resolution.  Under the new
  X (4.0 something, I think), it recognized the monitor
  okay, accepted my inputs about horizontal and vertical
  speeds, and refuses to go over 1024x768.
  
  I want that screen real estate back!  I notice that the
  new XF86Config file does not have those pesky Modeline's
  in it.  I wonder what else could be messed up?
  
  ++ kevin
  
  

Hi,

the problen seems to be the ratio of 4 to 3 of a 17 inch
monitor. Micheal uses a faked DisplaySize entry as 326x260 mm
is definately not the size of his monitor but the ratio of
1280 to 1024. I would suggest you use a resulution with a
ratio of 4 to 3 (i.e 1280x960) and generate a ModeLine for
yourself. you can find a modeline genarator here:
http://koala.ilog.fr/cgi-bin/nph-colas-modelines 

the size of your monitor is normally recognized without an
DisplaySize entry, you can look for in /var/log/XFree86.0.log

auge

[auge@seth auge]$ egrep -i size /var/log/XFree86.0.log 
(II) NV(0): Max H-Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 31  vert.: 23
(II) NV(0): #0: hsize: 640  vsize 480  refresh: 85  vid: 22833
(II) NV(0): #1: hsize: 640  vsize 480  refresh: 120  vid:
31793(II) NV(0): #2: hsize: 800  vsize 600  refresh: 85  vid:
22853(II) NV(0): #3: hsize: 1024  vsize 768  refresh: 85  vid:
22881(II) NV(0): #4: hsize: 1024  vsize 768  refresh: 100 
vid: 26721(II) NV(0): #5: hsize: 1152  vsize 864  refresh: 75 
vid: 20337(II) NV(0): #6: hsize: 1152  vsize 864  refresh: 85 
vid: 22897(II) NV(0): #7: hsize: 1600  vsize 1200  refresh: 75
 vid: 20393(II) NV(0): clock: 157.5 MHz   Image Size:  312 x
234 mm(--) NV(0): Virtual size is 1024x768 (pitch 1024)

as you see 312/234 is ratio of 4/3

BTW, what  DPI settings do you have?

[auge@seth auge]$ egrep DPI /var/log/XFree86.0.log 
(**) NV(0): DPI set to (83, 83)




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Re: KVM recommendations?

2002-06-03 Thread Net Llama!

I use a Linksys Pro-Connect KVM at work.  No problems under Linux,
although i hear from some of my less enlightened coworkers that it doesn't
get along with windoze2k too well.  Something about the mouse  keyboard
not being detected all the time.

On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Jerry McBride wrote:

 Would anyone recommend a KVM brand, modle or other?

 I've got a situation that's perfect for one, only need to support 2
 computers, but I would like to have
 the ability to support 4 for future expansion. At the moment, one box is
 running windows and the other
 is running Turbo linux.

 Thank you, in advance.





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KVM recommendations?

2002-06-03 Thread Jerry McBride


Would anyone recommend a KVM brand, modle or other?

I've got a situation that's perfect for one, only need to support 2
computers, but I would like to have
the ability to support 4 for future expansion. At the moment, one box is
running windows and the other
is running Turbo linux.

Thank you, in advance.



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RE: KVM recommendations?

2002-06-03 Thread Condon Thomas A KPWA


Jerry,

 Would anyone recommend a KVM brand, modle or other?

Belkin makes several that are available and not too pricey.  However, you
will need to make sure it is compatible.  I'm running one 2 CPU model at
home, and an OmniView SE 4-Port here at work.

 I've got a situation that's perfect for one, only need to support 2
 computers, but I would like to have
 the ability to support 4 for future expansion. At the moment, 
 one box is
 running windows and the other
 is running Turbo linux.

This may be where you run into troubles.  Despite the supposed compatibility
with Windows NT (special keyboard handling that messes KVMs up), the one
here at work needs to be cycled through the list of computers to clear
something out before the keyboard special characters work right.  NOTE: This
is not a problem on the Linux system I'm running here, only the two Win2K
systems.  It was a problem on the WinNT system I was running, too.  It isn't
a problem on either Linux system I'm running at home, either.  This should
not be a problem on Win95/Win98, either.

Other than the Windows problem, I've been very happy with the Belkin models.


In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord,

Tom  :-})

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Re: KVM recommendations?

2002-06-03 Thread Jim Bonnet

Jerry McBride wrote:
 Would anyone recommend a KVM brand, modle or other?
 
 I've got a situation that's perfect for one, only need to support 2
 computers, but I would like to have
 the ability to support 4 for future expansion. At the moment, one box is
 running windows and the other
 is running Turbo linux.
 
 Thank you, in advance.
 
 
 

Here at work we use the belkin KVM's, they work fine. I know they 
probably aren't the most 'fancy' boxes, but they are functional. And 
they work with openserver,linux,unixware without any problems...

regards-
Jim


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RE: KVM recommendations?

2002-06-03 Thread Condon Thomas A KPWA


 Would anyone recommend a KVM brand, modle or other?
 
 I've got a situation that's perfect for one, only need to support 2
 computers, but I would like to have
 the ability to support 4 for future expansion. At the moment, 
 one box is
 running windows and the other
 is running Turbo linux.
 
 Thank you, in advance.

One other important note:  I've found that an installation of a new OS works
more reliably if I plug the keyboard  mouse into the computer directly,
then go back to the KVM when it is completed.  I don't know why this is, but
I believe it is hardware/BIOS related, since it seems to vary form machine
to machine.


In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord,

Tom  :-})

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Re: KVM recommendations?

2002-06-03 Thread Richard R. Sivernell

I am runnibg one called A ten. I have winders 2k  solaris  
linux all working They have the feature that allows boot up and be
off select.  approx $179.00

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-03 Thread Keith Antoine

On Monday 03 June 2002 03:04 pm, you wrote:

 Edit the checkinstall script. Add OpenLinux manually:
 # Find out the RPM source directory path

 if ! [ $RPMSOURCEDIR ]; then
RPMSOURCEDIR=NOT-FOUND
for directory in packages redhat RedHat rpm RPM OpenLinux  ; do
 [ -d /usr/src/${directory}/SOURCES ] 
 RPMSOURCEDIR=/usr/src/${directory}
done
 fi

 HTH,
 Tim

That worked just fine thanks.

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Re: checkinstall (was re: SxS distro)

2002-06-03 Thread Keith Antoine

On Tuesday 04 June 2002 12:15 am, you wrote:
 Skippy:
   you could do this:
 cd /usr/src
 ln -s OpenLinux packages

 I've gotten in the habit of doing the following on every box that I admin:
 cd /usr/src/
 mkdir packages
 ln -s packages SuSE
 ln -s packages RedHat
 ln -s packages OpenLinux

 that way, whatever I download finds the directory it expects

Actually at the moment its working , I used Tims' edit the script method. 
However this way would be far easier to enable. Thanks mate.

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OT

2002-06-03 Thread Richard R. Sivernell

List

Some of you Like Lonnie might have a grasp on this.
I am installing EW 3.1.1 on a laptop using recommended 
refine. I have taken a few things out that I do not need. But I
do want to clear more space out. Sources for the linux kerenel
and some of the kde2.x stuff. I want to install xfce  use kcontrol
 kdevelop. What else can be stripped off the system. I will need to write
simple code and sql stuff. Will need to have Postgres. 2.1 gig hd
80 meg ram, 64k swap I just may have to bite the bullet and get a 10 gig hd,
but that means my other half will be P.O.ed. Oh well such is life.

Iknow to keep bash korn cshell stuff  perl? Stripe php  python for now.
what else.

cheers

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Re: compiling qt3

2002-06-03 Thread dep

begin  Keith Antoine's  quote:
| I stuff this up everytime because I have no understanding of the
| process. It is the problem of setting the $QTDIR. I have placed
| this in .profile::

i should know, but what distribution are we talking about here? suse, 
for instance, sets environment variables in some goofball nutty 
nonstandard file out in the back 40 someplace. things you put in 
.profile are of no consideration there. which makes me want to visit 
a weedeater on their manly parts. such as they are.
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Re: please kindly get back to me

2002-06-03 Thread Bob Hemus

JOSEPH EDWARD. wrote:
 
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 A LONG SEARCH FOR AN HONEST AND TRUST WORTHY PERSON 
 GOD BLESS YOU
 YOURS FAITHFULLY.
 
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Re: compiling qt3

2002-06-03 Thread Kurt Wall

On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:50:30 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 begin  Keith Antoine's  quote:
 | I stuff this up everytime because I have no understanding of the
 | process. It is the problem of setting the $QTDIR. I have placed
 | this in .profile::
 
 i should know, but what distribution are we talking about here? suse, 
 for instance, sets environment variables in some goofball nutty 
 nonstandard file out in the back 40 someplace. things you put in 
 .profile are of no consideration there. which makes me want to visit 
 a weedeater on their manly parts. such as they are.

Ouch! You're *thuch* a brute. ;-)

K

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Re: OT

2002-06-03 Thread Kurt Wall

On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 05:14:52 -0500 Richard R. Sivernell

  kdevelop. What else can be stripped off the system. I will need to
 write simple code and sql stuff. Will need to have Postgres. 2.1 gig
 hd 80 meg ram, 64k swap I just may have to bite the bullet and get a
 10 gig hd, but that means my other half will be P.O.ed. Oh well such
 is life.
 
 Iknow to keep bash korn cshell stuff  perl? Stripe php  python for
 now. what else.

Get rid of the multimedia stuff (mp3 players, CD players, etc.), games, 
Apache, Samba (unless you need it), Emacs, editors you don't use.

Kurt

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Re: what to remove

2002-06-03 Thread Richard R. Sivernell

On Mon, 03 Jun 2002 16:21:42 -0700
Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Rick,
 I honestly don't see how you can do much of anything productive with 
 only 2.1GB, much less development.  Also, 64MB of RAM is going to be 
 very prohibitive with DB work.  The problem isn't which packages to 
 remove, but what hardware to add.
 
 Richard R. Sivernell wrote:
  List
  
  Some of you Like Lonnie might have a grasp on this.
  I am installing EW 3.1.1 on a laptop using recommended 
  refine. I have taken a few things out that I do not need. But I
  do want to clear more space out. Sources for the linux kerenel
  and some of the kde2.x stuff. I want to install xfce  use kcontrol
   kdevelop. What else can be stripped off the system. I will need to write
  simple code and sql stuff. Will need to have Postgres. 2.1 gig hd
  80 meg ram, 64k swap I just may have to bite the bullet and get a 10 gig hd,
  but that means my other half will be P.O.ed. Oh well such is life.
  
  Iknow to keep bash korn cshell stuff  perl? Stripe php  python for now.
  what else.
  
  cheers
  
 
 
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Lonnie

   I have had that feeling, actuallyt I have 64meg swap, 80 meg ram. Still not a
lot
but for a P I 150 MHz MMX better than some. May have to go  getthat 10 gHD

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Re: compiling qt3

2002-06-03 Thread Keith Antoine

On Tuesday 04 June 2002 09:50 am, you wrote:
 begin  Keith Antoine's  quote:
 | I stuff this up everytime because I have no understanding of the
 | process. It is the problem of setting the $QTDIR. I have placed
 | this in .profile::

 i should know, but what distribution are we talking about here? suse,
 for instance, sets environment variables in some goofball nutty
 nonstandard file out in the back 40 someplace. things you put in
 .profile are of no consideration there. which makes me want to visit
 a weedeater on their manly parts. such as they are.

No this is Caldera 3.1.1 which I am updating and building rpms for madly. 
HOLY GRAIL stuff.

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RE: KVM recommendations?

2002-06-03 Thread Wil McGilvery

Stay away from Belkin KVM's. I have found they do not work well when you install a 
Linux GUI desktop.

-Original Message- 
From: Kevin O'Gorman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Mon 6/3/2002 6:06 PM 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Cc: 
Subject: Re: KVM recommendations?



At school, they were using Belkin KVM's, so I decided to buy one too.
Bad idea.  I checked with the support staff and apparently the cheaper
Belkins were giving them the same trouble I had: the mouse did not
work reliably.

Being still within warranty, I sent it back and got a Switchview
model (I forget the manufacturer) and have been very happy ever since.
It was about US$15 more expensive when equipped with cables for 2
systems, but worth the lost hassles.

The item was from warehouse.com, item # DSD2273.  4 ports, can
reset the mouse (I never needed that), you can switch with the
keyboard (double-tap CNTL), and a some other things I don't care
about but you might.  I liked the cables for this box better than
the Belkin too, for reasons that I'd need a diagram to explain.
And I'm too lazy for that.  Comes with cables for 2 systems.

++ kevin


On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 05:06:29PM -0400, Jerry McBride wrote:

 Would anyone recommend a KVM brand, modle or other?

 I've got a situation that's perfect for one, only need to support 2
 computers, but I would like to have
 the ability to support 4 for future expansion. At the moment, one box is
 running windows and the other
 is running Turbo linux.

 Thank you, in advance.



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More strife

2002-06-03 Thread Keith Antoine

Umm, maybe because I am making all those rpms that also get installed with 
checkinstall, but now I have recompiled 2.4.18, set it up in GRUb, yes Grub! 
rebooted, but no choice for 2.4.18 ? went and made grub look at 2.4.18 as 
default kernel still boots up in 2.4.13, real wierd.

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Re: KVM recommendations?

2002-06-03 Thread R. Quenett

from Kevin O'Gorman:

 Being still within warranty, I sent it back and got a Switchview
 model (I forget the manufacturer) and have been very happy ever since.

Cybex, now Avocent it looks like.  http://www.cybex.com works, tho.  
Good, not perfect, unit.

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Re: More strife

2002-06-03 Thread Collins

On Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:39:10 +1000 Keith Antoine
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Umm, maybe because I am making all those rpms that also get
 installed with checkinstall, but now I have recompiled 2.4.18, set
 it up in GRUb, yes Grub! rebooted, but no choice for 2.4.18 ? went
 and made grub look at 2.4.18 as default kernel still boots up in
 2.4.13, real wierd.
 

Post your grub menu.lst.  Also did you really copy over the kernel you
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gentoo(since 01/01/01) 2.4.18+(ext3) xfce-sylpheed-mozilla
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Re: KVM recommendations?

2002-06-03 Thread Michael Hipp

I have a LinkSys ProConnect KVM100SK (2-port). Machine #1 is a P4 
running Linux. Machine #2 is a P4 running Win2k Pro.

Works great.

The best feature: a simple double tap on the Ctrl key switches screens. 
Alot of KVM switches use a grotesque multi-fingered sequence to flip 
screens.

Michael

Jerry McBride wrote:
 Would anyone recommend a KVM brand, modle or other?
 
 I've got a situation that's perfect for one, only need to support 2
 computers, but I would like to have
 the ability to support 4 for future expansion. At the moment, one box is
 running windows and the other
 is running Turbo linux.
 
 Thank you, in advance.
 
 
 



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Re: KVM recommendations?

2002-06-03 Thread Harry G

On Monday June 03 2002 05:15 pm, you interfaced in analog form:


 Tom  :-})

Do you really wear your mustache upside down?

Harry G  :-{ )

(Foo man choo style 'stache)
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Re: More strife

2002-06-03 Thread Keith Antoine

On Tuesday 04 June 2002 11:04 am, you wrote:
 On Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:39:10 +1000 Keith Antoine

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Umm, maybe because I am making all those rpms that also get
  installed with checkinstall, but now I have recompiled 2.4.18, set
  it up in GRUb, yes Grub! rebooted, but no choice for 2.4.18 ? went
  and made grub look at 2.4.18 as default kernel still boots up in
  2.4.13, real wierd.

 Post your grub menu.lst.  Also did you really copy over the kernel you
 built?

Bin doing recompiles far too long , no I did not copy the kernel over the old 
image.

# /boot/grub/menu.lst - generated by Lizard
#


# options

timeout = 5
# splashscreen = (hd0,8)/boot/message.col31

default = 1

title  = Linux
root   = (hd0,8)
kernel = /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.13-modular vga=normal root=/dev/hda15

title  = Linux-2.4.18
root   = (hd0,8)
kernel = /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18 vga=normal root=/dev/hda15

title = Windows
chainloader = (hd0,0)+1

This also is fine, so where next a reinstall of grub to the mbr ? might try 
that., just cannot see why its ignoring the 2.4.18 boot.

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18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161
Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage

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Gentoo

2002-06-03 Thread Ted Ozolins

I finally have had it with M$ and all their crap. I had XP on this box 
(dual-boot) I set up my router to log all traffic to and from this box. On 
viewing the logs I notice that XP is open to msn.com so I finally fixed that 
bloody virus with fdisk. In its space I'll try Gentoo. 

Collins did you have any probs with the initial emerge rsync?
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Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO)
Westbank, B. C.

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