Re: OT TID Re: Noteworthy News Item
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 13:18:10 -0400 Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, the current reigning religion in this part of the world has always been numbered with those who prefer not have the common man think. Don't think. Just believe what the shaman, priest, televanglist Not just this part of the world. I was in Riyadh a while back and Saudi TV has a segment where an Islamic scholar answers questions from letters. I vividly recall one in which the viewer asked why they circled Mohammad's 'house' seven times (in Mecca - a very important thing to do). The person wanted to know because his non-islamic friends had asked and he had no answer. Instead of explaining why, the scholar strongly chastised the guy for attempting to answer questions. The, after all, was the job of scholars who are educated to know the reasons. It is not the job of an untrained believer. He went so far as to say that the person was getting involved in things that the Koran specifically forbade - offering opinions about which wou know nothing. After finishing the tirade, he went to the next letter - never having answered the actual question! What I thought was most odd was that the letter writer did NOT offer an opinion to his non-islamic friends. He consulted an islamic scholar for correct information. For which he wes publicly chastised. -- ++===+ | Roger Oberholtzer | E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | OPQ Systems AB | WWW: http://www.opq.se/ | | Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 |Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 | | 115 32 Stockholm | Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 | | Sweden | Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 | ++===+ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Slackware 8.1 experiences
Also sprach Ken Moffat: Is there a printer config tool? (my HP840c won't work for some reason. I tried kde print tool but no luck) Command line 'lpr' works, but can't print from X. /usr/share/apsfilter/SETUP Kurt -- Baker's First Law of Federal Geometry: A block grant is a solid mass of money surrounded on all sides by governors. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
pppd question
What script is used to pass modem strings to the modem (such as s0=0) when using pppd? Thanks, Brian BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Witowski;Brian FN:Brian Witowski ORG:Pyramid Computer Systems TEL;WORK;VOICE:(231) 331-6090 TEL;CELL;VOICE:(231) 409-9541 EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20020324T171728Z END:VCARD
Re: Slackware 8.1
As I swapped MB's I was able to skip this step but a close friend spent the better part of 2 hours gathering up syslinux and nasm, plus a few other things to create those same disks. He insisted that dd would not work as the files provided were not images. I'll DL a few of them a try it out to see.. Thanks Myles... stayler On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:42:04 -0600, Myles Green wrote: huh? dd if=bare.i of=/dev/fd0 does the boot floppy and dd if=install.1 of=/dev/fd0 (repeated for each of five disks) does the 5 'root' disks. Yes, it's slow, but it 'just works'. Don't fret about the bs= or count= flags for dd, just use GOOD floppies and the above incantations. It Worked For Me (tm) ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT TID Re: Noteworthy News Item
Ronnie Gauthier wrote: you mean you dont attend 8am mass each morning?!? how ever do you expect to be saved? Not all need it. g On Monday 24 June 2002 09:42 pm, Mike Chambers wrote: Enough of the religious shit already, if I wanted to hear bout that stuff, I'd go to church. Mike Ditto. I'd rather discuss Windows than religion. -- Andrew Mathews --- andy.linux-works.org Tuesday Jun 25 2002 07:25:00 MDT --- I can't decide whether to commit suicide or go bowling. -- Florence Henderson ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
gnu make reference material
Umm I have just spent a frustrating few days trying to figure out why my dia compile wasn't working... It wasn't until I read a sams unix in 24hrs (yeah right) book that explained what a makefile was did I know where to start... It was a simple back slash that was the problem causing a comment to run on to the cpp define statements. Wrong: # charconv.c \ # charconv.h \ CPPFLAGS = $(LIBART_CFLAGS) \ -DLIBDIR=\$(libdir)\ \ -DDATADIR=\$(pkgdatadir)\ Right: # charconv.c \ # charconv.h CPPFLAGS = $(LIBART_CFLAGS) \ -DLIBDIR=\$(libdir)\ \ -DDATADIR=\$(pkgdatadir)\ My question is can anyone recommended a good book that discusses and explains gnu make automake autoconf libtool and the macro language and syntax of aclocal etc?... I'm not a complete idiot so I need a book for people who aren't complete idiots not a for dummies or such. -- James McDonald MCSE (Windows 2000/NT4), CCNA, CCA, MCP + I Registered Linux User #209832 http://jamesmcd.dns2go.com (home) Red Hat Linux release 7.2 (Enigma) 11:50pm up 16:22, 4 users, load average: 0.65, 0.24, 0.20 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: gnu make reference material
http://safari.oreilly.com/main.asp?bookname=1578701902 On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, James McDonald wrote: Umm I have just spent a frustrating few days trying to figure out why my dia compile wasn't working... It wasn't until I read a sams unix in 24hrs (yeah right) book that explained what a makefile was did I know where to start... It was a simple back slash that was the problem causing a comment to run on to the cpp define statements. Wrong: # charconv.c \ # charconv.h \ CPPFLAGS = $(LIBART_CFLAGS) \ -DLIBDIR=\$(libdir)\ \ -DDATADIR=\$(pkgdatadir)\ Right: # charconv.c \ # charconv.h CPPFLAGS = $(LIBART_CFLAGS) \ -DLIBDIR=\$(libdir)\ \ -DDATADIR=\$(pkgdatadir)\ My question is can anyone recommended a good book that discusses and explains gnu make automake autoconf libtool and the macro language and syntax of aclocal etc?... I'm not a complete idiot so I need a book for people who aren't complete idiots not a for dummies or such. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
OT Ransom Love interview
Knowing a lot of Caldera users, both current and former are on this list, I thought you might be interested. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/24/1556244 Hope you don't mind. Harry G ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: gnu make reference material
James McDonald GNU Autoconf, automake and libtool gary v. Vaughan New Riders is publisher isbn 1-57870-190-2$40.00 us managing projects with Make Andrew Oram Steve Talbot Oreilly isbn 0-937175-90-0 $19.95 cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
OT Linux movie?
Jeez, I thought Hollywood had finally gone and done a real educational movie. My Grandson had Grandma and me take him to see LILO and STITCH. I knew about LILO, but had never heard about an app or Stitch program. This movie was nothing about Linux!! It was a cartoon about a little space being! Maybe some of you younger fellas/gals would enjoy it, and the rest of you a little older take your kids? Bob -- A wise man can see more from the bottom of a well, than a fool can see from a mountain top. Unknown ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Exit codes in gs
A recurrent question for printing is to figure out when the print job is done. I do not know of an easy way. One approach is to capture exit codes, I guess. Does anyone know if gs gives an exit code which can be captured and used to send messages to users? Thanks, Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT TID Re: Noteworthy News Item
Nicely put. I can't believe the number of people willing to hang their hat on chucking the Bible becuase of all sorts of inconsistencies without being able to list any. On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:53:25 -0500 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It isn't open to interpretation. We just hamper it with our limited understanding, lack of faith, injection of human agendas, and reliance on what others say it says rather than on what it really says. Just to name a few of the enemie's tricks. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT TID Re: Noteworthy News Item
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 13:18:10 -0400 Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, the current reigning religion in this part of the world has always been numbered with those who prefer not have the common man think. Don't think. Just believe what the shaman, priest, televanglist says is in the book and paradise is yours. Never mind injustice. The bad guys will get theirs in the next world, so just go along with the political corruption, greed, environmental destruction and whatever is necessary to make the payments on the SUV. Correction: All those who would rather manipulate you to their own benefit than show the Love only God can give you. These fall into that category. In the Middle Ages we had the Great Chain of Being. So what if the local noble had raped your daughter on her wedding night and driven off the village herd to pay for a celebration when his son became of age to join the family firm of Robber Baron and Son, Ltd. If you were a serf God had put you on the bottom of the chain just as he had placed the baron on the top. To question your place was to question God. To demand justice was presumption to take into man's hands that which was God's. Again, isn't it grand when something started for good can fall to the sins of greed for money and power? There is a trite phrase used among us believers: I'm not perfect, just forgiven. I'm not sure that applies to many who were involved in the previous corruption. This is why the Protestants came into being. Martin Luther (and to be fair, others before and after him whose names I mostly forget) saw the difference between what the Bible said and what the Holy Roman Catholic Church of the time was saying. While I believe that corruption and sin has stayed in the Catholic Church through the centuries, I do believe that many areas of the Catholic Church have done quite a good job recovering... they've not had an easy road to hoe. To start seeking God instead of being misguided sheep? Again, back to the thinking discussion again. Later, we had John Calvin, who preached never mind what Christ said about the rich not getting into paradise. The real truth is that God already knows who will be saved and who will not. Therefore it is only logical to believe that God pours his blessings on those predestined few and the mark of God's favor was riches. A real double banger. No thought required and God's blessings on riches swindled from the undestined. Now here's a slant I'm not quite sure I've heard before... I know that the church screwed up the Irish when the Potato-famine hit and they were told that it was God's will for them to die... but I'm fairly certain John Calvin wasn't ever quoted as saying that. If he was, I'd be interested in seeing it, since I'm quite sure (IIRC) that he said quite the opposite... That mindless theology of greed still survives today in the heresy of the Protestant Work Ethic. Along with Creationism, which is an attack on all sciences that dare to claim that the universe was created before 4004 BC Aug. 4th at 10:04 am. Couple this with the current efforts by right wing non-christian fundamentalists to stifle stem cell research. So what if a cure for cancer can be found or new organ produced. The pain, suffering and death is acceptable as long as fundamentalist religious beliefs aren't questioned. Then there is the Church's objection to in vitro fertilization because somehow the soul can only be fused with the embryo in a womb not in glass ware. Interesting opinion... I agree that there is a lot of work ethic issues in the world, though I'm not sure they are tied to protestants more than other folk. Creationism is a belief, as is Evolotion, The Big Bang, and any other myth about how and why we came to be. Truth is (if you do your homework beyond those lying high-school textbooks which show the evolutionary path from a museum, failing to include the wall-caption which reads Many of these skelletons are artists' creations and are not supported by the fossil record.) that there isn't much science supporting the Scientific explanation of the world. I'd like to allow the inclusion of Carbon Dating to the discussion, but in reality, we only know what Carbon-14 has done in the last what, couple decades? To say nothing of our complete lack of historical knowledge prior to 6000 years ago (too bad Adam and Eve didn't write down how Carbon-14 broke down back then... At least 6000 years is better than 15 or 20). You will also find several books which disect the non-christian Scientific methods of coming up with outright lies which support whatever the popular evolutionary theory-of-the-month was. These accounts are really quite fascinating. One of them details how a non-scientist Satanist (I'm not bashing him, this was the fact) was lofted into a highly respected research position... and happened to be the leader of the research which proved that homosexuality is inborn... The really
Re: OT TID Re: Noteworthy News Item
I have a very simple way of keeping my inbox from getting a lot of mail I
don't want to see. In my .procmailrc file, I have a section like this up
at the top:
:0:
* TID
{
:0 c
| echo Dumped a TID $LOGFILE
:0
/dev/null
}
Now, I do accept all TID's, but others might like to avoid them.
To put multiple rejects on one line, something like this might work:
* TID|OT|Joel Hammer|etc...
This is also a great way to avoid getting your mailbox filled up when you
are on vacation and don't want to unsubscribe from your various email lists.
Just put the addresses of the email lists on that line. For example,
* TID|OT|Joel Hammer|[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Joel
P.S. I am not sure if this script works properly regarding the echo
command, but it does dump the mail to dev/null.
On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 02:49:51PM -0400, Net Llama! wrote:
Can we *PLEASE* kill this thread? Hitler! Hitler! Hitler!
Enough already. I'm not the only one who isn't interested in getting
their INBOX filled with a religious debate. This has gone well beyond a
simple off topic thread to the point where its pretty much the only
thread.
If anyone really wants to continue this, subscribe to the General list:
http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/
and debate religion until Doug runs out of bandwidth.
On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Matthew Carpenter wrote:
Nicely put. I can't believe the number of people willing to hang their
hat on chucking the Bible becuase of all sorts of inconsistencies without
being able to list any.
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:53:25 -0500
Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It isn't open to interpretation. We just hamper it with our limited
understanding, lack of faith, injection of human agendas, and reliance
on what others say it says rather than on what it really says. Just to
name a few of the enemie's tricks.
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Re: OT TID Re: Noteworthy News Item
If you don't want to read it, note that the OT and TID tags have not gone away and just delete the messages. On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 07:33:03 -0600 Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Enough of the religious shit already, if I wanted to hear bout that stuff,I'd go to church. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT TID Re: Noteworthy News Item
General List? What's that? Hasn't that been dead for a long time? :) On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone really wants to continue this, subscribe to the General list: http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability (fwd)
There has been a heated discussion on this over in the FreeBSD security list, suffice to say that Theo's obnoxious attitude doesn't help matters. Nonetheless this is important info: --- Forwarded message Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:00:10 -0600 From: Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability There is an upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability that we're working on with ISS. Details will be published early next week. However, I can say that when OpenSSH's sshd(8) is running with priv seperation, the bug cannot be exploited. OpenSSH 3.3p was released a few days ago, with various improvements but in particular, it significantly improves the Linux and Solaris support for priv sep. However, it is not yet perfect. Compression is disabled on some systems, and the many varieties of PAM are causing major headaches. However, everyone should update to OpenSSH 3.3 immediately, and enable priv seperation in their ssh daemons, by setting this in your /etc/ssh/sshd_config file: UsePrivilegeSeparation yes Depending on what your system is, privsep may break some ssh functionality. However, with privsep turned on, you are immune from at least one remote hole. Understand? 3.3 does not contain a fix for this upcoming bug. If priv seperation does not work on your operating system, you need to work with your vendor so that we get patches to make it work on your system. Our developers are swamped enough without trying to support the myriad of PAM and other issues which exist in various systems. You must call on your vendors to help us. Basically, OpenSSH sshd(8) is something like 27000 lines of code. A lot of that runs as root. But when UsePrivilegeSeparation is enabled, the daemon splits into two parts. A part containing about 2500 lines of code remains as root, and the rest of the code is shoved into a chroot-jail without any privs. This makes the daemon less vulnerable to attack. We've been trying to warn vendors about 3.3 and the need for privsep, but they really have not heeded our call for assistance. They have basically ignored us. Some, like Alan Cox, even went further stating that privsep was not being worked on because Nobody provided any info which proves the problem, and many people dont trust you theo and suggested I might be feeding everyone a trojan (I think I'll publish that letter -- it is just so funny). HP's representative was downright rude, but that is OK because Compaq is retiring him. Except for Solar Designer, I think none of them has helped the OpenSSH portable developers make privsep work better on their systems. Apparently Solar Designer is the only person who understands the need for this stuff. So, if vendors would JUMP and get it working better, and send us patches IMMEDIATELY, we can perhaps make a 3.3.1p release on Friday which supports these systems better. So send patches by Thursday night please. Then on Tuesday or Wednesday the complete bug report with patches (and exploits soon after I am sure) will hit BUGTRAQ. Let me repeat: even if the bug exists in a privsep'd sshd, it is not exploitable. Clearly we cannot yet publish what the bug is, or provide anyone with the real patch, but we can try to get maximum deployement of privsep, and therefore make it hurt less when the problem is published. So please push your vendor to get us maximally working privsep patches as soon as possible! We've given most vendors since Friday last week until Thursday to get privsep working well for you so that when the announcement comes out next week their customers are immunized. That is nearly a full week (but they have already wasted a weekend and a Monday). Really I think this is the best we can hope to do (this thing will eventually leak, at which point the details will be published). Customers can judge their vendors by how they respond to this issue. OpenBSD and NetBSD users should also update to OpenSSH 3.3 right away. On OpenBSD privsep works flawlessly, and I have reports that is also true on NetBSD. All other systems appear to have minor or major weaknesses when this code is running. (securityfocus postmaster; please post this through immediately, since i have bcc'd over 30 other places..) -- Philip J. Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers Communications for the New Millenium ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability (fwd)
Read this yesterday. an upgrade seems in order. On Tuesday 25 June 2002 02:50 pm, Philip J. Koenig wrote: There has been a heated discussion on this over in the FreeBSD security list, suffice to say that Theo's obnoxious attitude doesn't help matters. Nonetheless this is important info: --- Forwarded message Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:00:10 -0600 From: Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability There is an upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability that we're working on with ISS. Details will be published early next week. However, I can say that when OpenSSH's sshd(8) is running with priv seperation, the bug cannot be exploited. OpenSSH 3.3p was released a few days ago, with various improvements but in particular, it significantly improves the Linux and Solaris support for priv sep. However, it is not yet perfect. Compression is disabled on some systems, and the many varieties of PAM are causing major headaches. However, everyone should update to OpenSSH 3.3 immediately, and enable priv seperation in their ssh daemons, by setting this in your /etc/ssh/sshd_config file: UsePrivilegeSeparation yes Depending on what your system is, privsep may break some ssh functionality. However, with privsep turned on, you are immune from at least one remote hole. Understand? 3.3 does not contain a fix for this upcoming bug. If priv seperation does not work on your operating system, you need to work with your vendor so that we get patches to make it work on your system. Our developers are swamped enough without trying to support the myriad of PAM and other issues which exist in various systems. You must call on your vendors to help us. Basically, OpenSSH sshd(8) is something like 27000 lines of code. A lot of that runs as root. But when UsePrivilegeSeparation is enabled, the daemon splits into two parts. A part containing about 2500 lines of code remains as root, and the rest of the code is shoved into a chroot-jail without any privs. This makes the daemon less vulnerable to attack. We've been trying to warn vendors about 3.3 and the need for privsep, but they really have not heeded our call for assistance. They have basically ignored us. Some, like Alan Cox, even went further stating that privsep was not being worked on because Nobody provided any info which proves the problem, and many people dont trust you theo and suggested I might be feeding everyone a trojan (I think I'll publish that letter -- it is just so funny). HP's representative was downright rude, but that is OK because Compaq is retiring him. Except for Solar Designer, I think none of them has helped the OpenSSH portable developers make privsep work better on their systems. Apparently Solar Designer is the only person who understands the need for this stuff. So, if vendors would JUMP and get it working better, and send us patches IMMEDIATELY, we can perhaps make a 3.3.1p release on Friday which supports these systems better. So send patches by Thursday night please. Then on Tuesday or Wednesday the complete bug report with patches (and exploits soon after I am sure) will hit BUGTRAQ. Let me repeat: even if the bug exists in a privsep'd sshd, it is not exploitable. Clearly we cannot yet publish what the bug is, or provide anyone with the real patch, but we can try to get maximum deployement of privsep, and therefore make it hurt less when the problem is published. So please push your vendor to get us maximally working privsep patches as soon as possible! We've given most vendors since Friday last week until Thursday to get privsep working well for you so that when the announcement comes out next week their customers are immunized. That is nearly a full week (but they have already wasted a weekend and a Monday). Really I think this is the best we can hope to do (this thing will eventually leak, at which point the details will be published). Customers can judge their vendors by how they respond to this issue. OpenBSD and NetBSD users should also update to OpenSSH 3.3 right away. On OpenBSD privsep works flawlessly, and I have reports that is also true on NetBSD. All other systems appear to have minor or major weaknesses when this code is running. (securityfocus postmaster; please post this through immediately, since i have bcc'd over 30 other places..) ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT TID Re: Noteworthy News Item
On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Matthew Carpenter wrote: General List? What's that? Hasn't that been dead for a long time? :) No more so than this list, when all that appears is alot of religious rambling. As someone else said, if i want to listen to people preach, i'll go to a house of worship. The name of this list is not, and never has been, religious-users. On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone really wants to continue this, subscribe to the General list: http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability (fwd)
On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Philip J. Koenig wrote: There has been a heated discussion on this over in the FreeBSD security list, suffice to say that Theo's obnoxious attitude doesn't help matters. Nonetheless this is important info: The way i see it, if you write a heaping hunk of code that thousands, if not millions of people use on a daily basis, you can be as obnoxious as you like. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability (fwd)
I don't believe there is anywhere written in the social contract that producing a certain quantity of code entitles you to utterly ignore the common ideas of civility and inter-personal relationships. But, unfortunately, a great deal of the OSS developers seem to see it the way you stated. Michael On Tuesday 25 June 2002 03:38 pm, Net Llama! wrote: On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Philip J. Koenig wrote: There has been a heated discussion on this over in the FreeBSD security list, suffice to say that Theo's obnoxious attitude doesn't help matters. Nonetheless this is important info: The way i see it, if you write a heaping hunk of code that thousands, if not millions of people use on a daily basis, you can be as obnoxious as you like. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
