Re: sco linux 4.0 released today
still saw nothing on my page. it could be the fault of the proxy on local ISP. There is no 4.0 word in the (cached?) page I saw. For that, i didn't expect such a delay. Pearl harbour.. haha... :) Matthew Carpenter wrote: Check again... Some things never change at SCOdera. hmm.. no frontpage news in http://www.sco.com :) -- Swiftly. Silently. Invisibly. .~. In Linux we trust. / v \ news://news.hkpcug.org /( _ )\ http://www.linux-sxs.org ^ ^ http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
[ot] Re: ext2fs and security settings
hm... i think the only option is for me to hack the kernel source my self..hoho.. anyway, I repeat: I just want the house, no lock. And I see a value for a demilitarized linux. In fact, the kernel should have claer docuemnts about all the security hooks if it's to be accepted by the world. Then every government can design her own security schemes around the kernel. Too bad. Get over it. Nobody wants a house without locks, everyone has the same concerns. Remove yours, sell them, do whatever, just don't expect many people to view it as either logical or reasonable. Will you -- Swiftly. Silently. Invisibly. .~. In Linux we trust. / v \ news://news.hkpcug.org /( _ )\ http://www.linux-sxs.org ^ ^ http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [ot] Re: ext2fs and security settings
AND... that option should include ZERO security. ZERO... nothing. it's also a valid state. And I see a value for a demilitarized linux. In fact, the kernel should have claer docuemnts about all the security hooks if it's to be accepted by the world. Then every government can design her own security schemes around the kernel. -- Swiftly. Silently. Invisibly. .~. In Linux we trust. / v \ news://news.hkpcug.org /( _ )\ http://www.linux-sxs.org ^ ^ http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ext2fs and security settings
On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 06:42:04PM -0800, Bill Campbell wrote: On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 08:51:15PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 09:02:34AM +0800, m.w.chang wrote: now you said it: DOS is ... an educational ... toy. I want one for linux. I told you how: # chmod -R 666 / This creates a wide open filesystem where any user can do anything. When it breaks, and it *will* most assuredly break, you get to clean it up all by yourself. Safeguards are built for a reason. Actually I think you want ``chmod -R 777 /'' as the Number of the Beast won't make anything executable, or directories searchable for anybody but root. Egads. Right. Sometimes, I can be *such* a dunce. Kurt -- Quick, sing me the BUDAPEST NATIONAL ANTHEM!! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: DVD/CD RW and Linux
Anita Lewis wrote: I don't have rc.local - I think I used that in RedHat. I don't have /etc/sysconfig/hardware or /etc/init.d/hwtools either (Running Woody). I read somewhere that one could put scripts like this into /etc/rcS.d. I guess I'd just make it the last script to run. Is there a link to /etc/init.d/hwtools from either the rcS.d or rc2.d directories? I'd be interested in knowing what number is attached so that I could place mine similarly. Thanks. You can add rc.local without too much trouble. Might be in the archives. I'm sure I got it here. -- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New Step
On 11/20/2002 12:31 AM, someone claiming to be David Aikema wrote: On November 19, 2002 06:38 am, Net Llama! wrote: And yea, it costs nothing. I'd be really really pissed if i had paid for Crossover only to find out that it didn't work out of the box. They do have their demo version that you can use to test your system. I found the demo to be quite broken, but the purchased product worked like a charm. YMMV. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: DVD/CD RW and Linux
Anita Lewis wrote: I don't have rc.local - I think I used that in RedHat. I don't have /etc/sysconfig/hardware or /etc/init.d/hwtools either (Running Woody). I read somewhere that one could put scripts like this into /etc/rcS.d. I guess I'd just make it the last script to run. Is there a link to /etc/init.d/hwtools from either the rcS.d or rc2.d directories? I'd be interested in knowing what number is attached so that I could place mine similarly. Thanks. See if you have /etc/rc.boot/hwtools. This is what it looks like. To edit, uncomment the appropriate line(s) and add arguments. #!/bin/sh # # /etc/init.d/hwtools (previously /etc/rc.boot/hwtools) # # Optimize interrupts. You might want to add parameters if you want # to favor ttyS1 or ttyS0 or something else. if command -v irqtune /dev/null 21; then # irqtune [PUT ARGS HERE] true fi # hdparm optimization # Switches on interrupts during transfers and does multi sector transfers if command -v hdparm /dev/null 21; then # hdparm -q [PUT ARGS HERE] true fi # configure QIC-02 interface # see qic02conf(8) # qic02conf --card= --port= --dma= --irq= -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 1.9.1 Debian Linux System 5151 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
[ot] Re: education and security
to conclude: man cannot live on security only. :) I think our discussion will soon become: education and security -- .~.Swiftly. Silently. Invisibly. In Linux we trust. / v \ http://www.linux-sxs.org /( _ )\ Linux 2.4.19 ^ ^9:45pm up 17 days, 7:56, 1 user, load average: 1.02, 1.03, 1.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New Step
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, David Aikema wrote: On November 19, 2002 06:38 am, Net Llama! wrote: And yea, it costs nothing. I'd be really really pissed if i had paid for Crossover only to find out that it didn't work out of the box. They do have their demo version that you can use to test your system. Yes, i know. But from what many say, the demo version is not of the same quality as the paid version. And the even more strange thing is that the demo version ran just fine on my box, yet the paid version blew up with great consistancy. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: sco linux 4.0 released today
Same here. I see the same exact page that i saw 24 hours ago. On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, m.w.chang wrote: still saw nothing on my page. it could be the fault of the proxy on local ISP. There is no 4.0 word in the (cached?) page I saw. For that, i didn't expect such a delay. Pearl harbour.. haha... :) Matthew Carpenter wrote: Check again... Some things never change at SCOdera. hmm.. no frontpage news in http://www.sco.com :) -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: sco linux 4.0 released today
Net Llama! wrote: Same here. I see the same exact page that i saw 24 hours ago. Did you guys refresh / reload the page? because there is information there.. It says SCO Linux Server Ships.. plus more.. --jim ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: sco linux 4.0 released today
On 11/20/2002 9:42 AM, someone claiming to be Jim Bonnet wrote: Net Llama! wrote: Same here. I see the same exact page that i saw 24 hours ago. Did you guys refresh / reload the page? because there is information there.. It says SCO Linux Server Ships.. plus more.. Where does one find out what versions of what packages are included? Best I've been able to determine is that it uses kernel 2.4.19, but who knows what else. None of the websites have an obvious link to that information (AFAICT). Regards, Tim ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
[linux-elitists] [IP] Japan Govt. May Slam Shut Windows (fwd)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:49:25 -0500 From: Dave Farber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ip [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [IP] Japan Govt. May Slam Shut Windows Gov't considers abandoning Microsoft Windows Sunday, November 17, 2002 at 07:30 JST http://japantoday.com/e/?content=newscat=4id=239325 http://japantoday.com/e/?content=newsamp;cat=4amp;id=239325 TOKYO The Japanese government is reviewing the possibility of no longer using Microsoft Corp's Windows operating system as part of its plans to boost computer security within the government, the Asahi Shimbun newspaper reported Saturday. Most of the government's servers and personal computers use Windows software. But the government is interested in studying alternative operating systems, especially open-source programs such as Linux, the newspaper said. Open-source programs do not require licensing fees and can be modified because their source codes are made available for free. The Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport will set up a panel of experts to study the alternatives and what systems other governments use in the next fiscal year beginning April 1, the newspaper said. The ruling Liberal Democratic Party's panel on promoting electronic government asked the government in August to develop or introduce an open-source program for security reasons, it said. (Kyodo News) - -- End of Forwarded Message - - You are subscribed as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe or update your address, click http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ ___ linux-elitists http://zgp.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-elitists -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE928LXSrrWWknCnMIRAuzvAJsHQGpq3Ixx5YS0KX70HZeiIOiNhQCeK96Q 6yFlboz0hRkbkWlEG4L+vaY= =UKVB -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ext2fs and security settings
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This gets weirder by the day. A better analogy would be that learning linux with security is like having a key to the lock on your house. On Tuesday 19 November 2002 7:00 pm, m.w.chang wrote: to put it in an even more simple, if not ulgy way, execuse me, learning linux with security = having sex in front of a police officer and a doctor. Myles Green wrote: I think you are missing the point MW, learning Linux without the security features would be like learning to operate an automobile without learning the traffic regulations - you get from point A to point B but cause many problems for others along the way. - -- Robert Black Eagle Linux for stability; GPG for security -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE929w1tjSYKkYJrmcRAgFJAKCRYc2hY7E55cYbXGqdQc01cwwaXwCfcJfx LLn0/7M/N1hrifMsHRGen7k= =dQhO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ext2fs and security settings
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Try LFS (linux from scratch). Writing your own personalized distro is a wonderful educational experience. On Tuesday 19 November 2002 7:02 pm, m.w.chang wrote: now you said it: DOS is ... an educational ... toy. I want one for linux. flipper babies show the service wasn't worth the ultimate price. DOS *is* a toy, perhaps an educational one. At the end of the day, however, if you don't learn a little about file system security, you aren't learning Linux or Unix. Period. fine, if I am being paid for the pain. I guess, I will still be bugged by security subsystems in linux for the rest of my learning processs. Yup. Sorry. - -- Robert Black Eagle Linux for stability; GPG for security -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE929xktjSYKkYJrmcRAs8DAJ4iNR326DGBhdefN2CSMYhQLe07BgCfVbH+ 3Uc/5eg0r04glAYMhFe11/U= =CrJm -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ext2fs and security settings
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This reminds me of beginning cryptology classes where almost everyone comes up with an unbreakable encryption routine which is quickly shown to be an elementary and extremely easy code to break. Programs in linux that do not do such neat things as protect files from corruption, free up or hold memory when needed and otherwise provide security features are objectionable to me. Too many crashes when there is no security. Fast fingers are a programmers worst enemy. Security features limits the damage they can do. On Tuesday 19 November 2002 7:04 pm, m.w.chang wrote: I am sorry, at this stage, I prefer to learn the programming and coding that *created* security. I don't learn security because of security, general. :) When I could control security by proper programming and coding, I got secuity automagically. There's no chicken egg about it. You either learn security from the start, or you don't. M$ isn't making money from security either. Funny how the entire crux of your argument closely paralleles M$. - -- Robert Black Eagle Linux for stability; GPG for security -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9290qtjSYKkYJrmcRAja9AKCSmvqUUbWhEdX8PaXioelZ16sAgwCfYmZH /kM9QNds+ZBYK2sEEMnF3gY= =jH/T -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ext2fs and security settings
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 For something like that, you can still obtain CP/M. On Tuesday 19 November 2002 7:05 pm, m.w.chang wrote: fine. yes. agree, but I still want a demilitarized linux. I will join the army later. :) Filesystem security is a part of Linux. If you're not learning about it, then you're nor learning Linux. Period. - -- Robert Black Eagle Linux for stability; GPG for security -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9291YtjSYKkYJrmcRAqRVAJ96ur+bJpt7JOR1aFBTHefmtI1m6gCdEgrc ZhzKj9uC3TVjHlUIfvmS/FY= =RjuN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ext2fs and security settings
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 All he really has to do is log in as root every time -- stupid, but that's what he wants. Then he can chmod -R 777 / and everything that can break will. On Tuesday 19 November 2002 7:51 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 09:02:34AM +0800, m.w.chang wrote: now you said it: DOS is ... an educational ... toy. I want one for linux. I told you how: # chmod -R 666 / This creates a wide open filesystem where any user can do anything. When it breaks, and it *will* most assuredly break, you get to clean it up all by yourself. Safeguards are built for a reason. [...] Kurt - -- Robert Black Eagle Linux for stability; GPG for security -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9293ItjSYKkYJrmcRApccAKCEr9ZrM05XRChJxepb+WKoLLqzAACffl4m c273v1R6mSLzcIIZxs/8jhw= =DY45 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ext2fs and security settings
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 19 November 2002 8:42 pm, Bill Campbell wrote: On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 08:51:15PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 09:02:34AM +0800, m.w.chang wrote: now you said it: DOS is ... an educational ... toy. I want one for linux. I told you how: # chmod -R 666 / This creates a wide open filesystem where any user can do anything. When it breaks, and it *will* most assuredly break, you get to clean it up all by yourself. Safeguards are built for a reason. Actually I think you want ``chmod -R 777 /'' as the Number of the Beast won't make anything executable, or directories searchable for anybody but root. But he objects to the distinction between user and root (that's a security feature), so he can simply log on as root every time. - -- Robert Black Eagle Liberty is an Open Government and Privacy for Civilians. Tyranny is a Closed Government and No Privacy for Civilians. Use PGP or GPG -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE92+HbtjSYKkYJrmcRAj9PAKCZD6VFrVqr0ChUul735lCRa8KLGQCfeajH 8SEO42xv4KObLCllnAOWhFc= =jJkr -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: sco linux 4.0 released today
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 09:33:23AM -0500, Net Llama! wrote: Same here. I see the same exact page that i saw 24 hours ago. I saw the new one this morning. -- Predestination was doomed from the start. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: List
On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 06:37:57AM -0700, Collins wrote: I suppose it all depends on the meaning of is, to quote Bill Clinton. Separately compiled components that have no interaction can be compiled with either compiler, and neither is aware of the other, but early adaptors on gentoo did indeed report disastrous results when a mix of components compiled with the two different compilers was attempted (I don't have the details). It's got to be a highly specific mix. I'm running kernels built with 2.95.3, 3.0, 3.1, and 3.2; a C library built with 3.2; XFree86 built with 3.2 and 2.95.3; and applications built with all of them. I've had ZERO problems. That said, I'm not going to argue with you about this. Your message said recompile everything with 3.2, which is perniciously false. From everything I read, the major vendors in their rush to get out 3.2 based products have done their usual sloppy work (not enough testing before release), so I'll let the pioneers fend off the arrows (most of the arrows have nothing to do with 3.2). At some point the mix will change, and there will be a compelling reason to switch to 3.2, and there will be a reliable RH, etc.. distro (gentoo is, of course, just as stable with 3.2 as with the older compiler), but I don't believe that time has come yet. Well, then, the problem is not the compiler, but the vendors who have done their usual sloppy work. Kurt -- Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come. -- Matt Groening ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ext2fs and security settings
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 04:44:40PM +0800, m.w.chang wrote: hm... i think the only option is for me to hack the kernel source my self..hoho.. anyway, I repeat: I just want the house, no lock. All of the metaphors and analogies are cute, but they obscure the basic point: even if you create your own Linux distribution, you won't get rid of all those pesky security mechanisms without hacking the kernel source and a lot of applications. Such fundamental changes are required that the result wouldn't be Linux. And I see a value for a demilitarized linux. In fact, the kernel should have claer docuemnts about all the security hooks if it's to be accepted by the world. Then every government can design her own security schemes around the kernel. All right, I've been patient long enough. I *don't* see a value for an unsecure Linux. Perhaps the greatest disservice that Microsoft and other purveyors of PC operating systems have done is create the perception that security isn't important. News flash: operating systems that *don't* have access controls and related security accoutrements are the *exception*, not the rule. The kernel *does* have clear documents about all of the security hooks. The authoritative document is the source code itself. Beyond that, those security features that you stubbornly refuse to accept are mandated by ISO, ANSI, and IEEE specifications about what constitutes a proper operating system. Every government *has* designed security schemes around Linux and Unix kernels -- the United States' National Security Agency even released their own enhanced version of Linux with additional security. At the end of the day, though, I'm persuaded that you simply don't understand or refust to accept that security and access control are intrinsic to Linux and Unix. These features are tightly integrated into the OS, not appended as an afterthought. They are pervasive. If you rip it all out, you don't have a *nix kernel anymore, but something altogether different. If you don't like it, damnit, don't use Linux. Furthermore, people who sit on the sidelines and say We should do this piss me off. Just for a change, try this: We should; I will. And, finally, while I'm ranting, the proper pronoun is its, not her. As in, Then every government can design *its* own security schemes around the kernel. Kurt -- Why does man kill? He kills for food. And not only food: frequently there must be a beverage. -- Woody Allen, Without Feathers ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ext2fs and security settings
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 08:23:11PM -0800, Net Llama! wrote:
Wow. Rough day in the 'burgh? ;)
;-) Nope, quite the contrary -- I had a *great* day. I bought my
first car ('93 Mercury Sable with all the trimmings and only 65,000
miles) and spent the afternoon programming radio stations and figuring
out what all the switches, buttons, and knobs do.
As to my invective, MW's message set off my bozo alarm. Perhaps I had
it set too high, eh? It reminded me of the one thing about growing up
in Alabama that still yanks my chain: aggressive ignorance: I know
all I want to know and don't want to know anything else.
Kurt
On 11/20/02 20:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 04:44:40PM +0800, m.w.chang wrote:
hm... i think the only option is for me to hack the kernel source my
self..hoho.. anyway, I repeat: I just want the house, no lock.
All of the metaphors and analogies are cute, but they obscure the
basic point: even if you create your own Linux distribution, you
won't get rid of all those pesky security mechanisms without
hacking the kernel source and a lot of applications. Such fundamental
changes are required that the result wouldn't be Linux.
And I see a value for a demilitarized linux. In fact, the kernel should
have claer docuemnts about all the security hooks if it's to be accepted
by the world. Then every government can design her own security schemes
around the kernel.
All right, I've been patient long enough. I *don't* see a value for
an unsecure Linux. Perhaps the greatest disservice that Microsoft
and other purveyors of PC operating systems have done is create the
perception that security isn't important. News flash: operating systems
that *don't* have access controls and related security accoutrements
are the *exception*, not the rule.
The kernel *does* have clear documents about all of the security hooks.
The authoritative document is the source code itself. Beyond that,
those security features that you stubbornly refuse to accept are mandated
by ISO, ANSI, and IEEE specifications about what constitutes a proper
operating system. Every government *has* designed security schemes
around Linux and Unix kernels -- the United States' National Security
Agency even released their own enhanced version of Linux with additional
security.
At the end of the day, though, I'm persuaded that you simply don't
understand or refust to accept that security and access control are
intrinsic to Linux and Unix. These features are tightly integrated
into the OS, not appended as an afterthought. They are pervasive.
If you rip it all out, you don't have a *nix kernel anymore, but
something altogether different. If you don't like it, damnit, don't
use Linux.
Furthermore, people who sit on the sidelines and say We should
do this piss me off. Just for a change, try this: We should; I will.
And, finally, while I'm ranting, the proper pronoun is its, not
her. As in, Then every government can design *its* own security
schemes around the kernel.
Kurt
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On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 08:23:11PM -0800, Net Llama! wrote:
Wow. Rough day in the 'burgh? ;)
;-) Nope, quite the contrary -- I had a *great* day. I bought my
first car ('93 Mercury Sable with all the trimmings and only 65,000
miles) and spent the afternoon programming radio stations and figuring
out what all the switches, buttons, and knobs do.
Your first car? Dude, you used to live in Utah, right? I thought it was
against the law to live there and not own a car.
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I've never owned a car either. But ask me about the trucks I've owned.
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:15:24 -0800 (PST)
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On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 08:23:11PM -0800, Net Llama! wrote:
Wow. Rough day in the 'burgh? ;)
;-) Nope, quite the contrary -- I had a *great* day. I bought my
first car ('93 Mercury Sable with all the trimmings and only 65,000
miles) and spent the afternoon programming radio stations and
figuring out what all the switches, buttons, and knobs do.
Your first car? Dude, you used to live in Utah, right? I thought it
was against the law to live there and not own a car.
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Re: ext2fs and security settings
At 11:12 20/11/2002 +0800, you wrote: many thanks. hmm.. will try it.. so the a group attributes can totallly disarm the beast? hmm...how about owner and group names? Certain daemons insist on comparing names (ie, gid and uid). now you said it: DOS is ... an educational ... toy. I want one for linux. I told you how: # chmod -R 666 / Actually I think you want ``chmod -R 777 /'' as the Number of the Beast won't make anything executable, or directories searchable for anybody but root. *** Chang, Please mail me when you've finished learning security without implementing it so I can flush the iptables rule concerning your IP address range. :-p Zoran ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
