Re: Home Network Connections

2003-07-12 Thread Tom Lombardo
David,

Thank you again!

I found more about the router:
Channel = 6
WEP encryption disabled
The laptop:

In the Network Configuration tool the DNS tab contains this info:
Hostname = wireless
Primary DNS 192.168.2.1
Secondary DNS = [blank]
Tertiary DNS = [blank]
In the KDE Control Center, Network  LAN Browsing settings:
LISa daemon
Scan these addresses 192.168.2.2/255.255.255.0
Trusted addresses 192.168.2.2/255.255.255.0
Broadcast network addresses 192.168.2.2/255.255.255.0
ResLISa daemon
Trusted addresses 192.168.2.2/255.255.255.0
I truly appreciate your help, David.

David A. Bandel wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:06:26 -0700
Tom Lombardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

David,

Thank you so much for your time!

The firewall feature on XP was already disabled.  Here are the
settings:
DESKTOP
IP Address 192.168.2.2
Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway 192.168.2.1
DHCP Server 192.168.2.1
DNS Server 192.168.2.1
Router
IP Address 192.168.2.1
Subnet Mask - I couldn't find this listed anywhere
Thinking I understood where you are going with this, I tried
re-setting everything on the laptop to match these numbers, but it
still didn't work (although I don't know what I'm doing so I may have
missed something).  I also tried leaving everything on auto so it
would detect settings on its own, but that didn't work either.
I really appreciate your help!


no prob.  But you didn't give me your laptop setup.  I need this too.  I
assume your router has another address for the wireless card too?  You
gave me the values for your router's ethernet card only.
[snip]

Ciao,

David A. Bandel
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Re: LOCKUP: GF4-MultiScreen kills machine with X

2003-07-12 Thread Ian Stephen
On Fri, 2003-07-11 at 17:57, Matthew Carpenter wrote:

 What resolution are you running?

Both 1024x768, though your post reminded me of ctrl-alt-+  -, which
work for the one that has more than one mode specified in XF86Config-4
under screen section

My setup uses two different resolutions
(1280x1024 for my CRT and 800x600 for the TV)

TV? Television?  Is it the TV out that will run the projector?  Is that
common with projectors? (I need to use one this fall and have never even
seen one up close yet!)

 I'd rather have one big desktop, but I'd also not want to run 800x600 on my CRT.

The TV (projector?) can't do greater than 800x600?

 CTRL-ALT-BkSpc, switch to a text VC,If I logout, the machine locks.
 This has only been happening since I started running in two-screen mode.

Horrors!  These work fine for me aside from once in a blue screen ..
er..blue moon, when I log out it freezes.  I think its something
hardware related though 'cause the machine is flakey under Win98 (and
worse) too.  Doesn't happen often enough to make me track down the
cause.

 I may try the TwinView (which is how NVidia calls it) to see if this clears up.
 There are also a TON of settings which I don't know much about which may solve
 it as well :(
 
If your TwinView works like my setup you may also have to run Impress
with slideshow type 'window', which I think you will find is
unsatisfactory for field use 'cause it displays Impress' menus etc the
whole time.

Wish I had some helpful suggestions, but scrolling thru my XF86Config-4
doesn't spark any ideas.  Google?

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Re: Running scripts from linux to modify image files on a windows2000 box

2003-07-12 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
Make life simple. Go to the Gnu site and download the stuff for Windows.
There is a small exe that you install, and it manages installing the
rest. You will get a nice shell and many Unix commands into the bargain.
Then, your scripting environment will be the same. Run the same scripts
on Linux and Windows. I do this and am happy with the setup. If you are
using ImageMagik, you can install the winders version and be complete.

On Sat, 2003-07-12 at 04:23, Joel Hammer wrote:
 At work, I am going to have a digital camera tethered to a linux box
 via usb.  This linux box will connect directly via an ethernet connection
 to a windows 2000 box in another room, which will be the major player in
 image processing and storage. I could change this I suppose, and have the
 linux box tethered to the camera as the major player, but I am worried
 about the slow down due to the cable connection.
 
 I am going to need to run a number of repetitive image editing commands
 via scripts on the captured images, after they are sent to the windows
 2000 box. For example, they need to be labelled, commented, turned upside
 down (Our camera is mounted upside down.), and resized, at least. I
 could do all this before they are sent, but the W2K computer is going to
 be capturing images, too, and they will need to be edited in a similar
 fashion.
 
 I will be using image magick's collection of command line programs to
 accomplish this. There are versions of image magick for W2K as well as
 for linux.
 
 Now, since I know nothing of scripting in W2K but a lot about scripting in
 linux, would it be possible to mount the appropriate W2K directories
 on the linux box, and run the editing commands in linux, even though
 the files are stored on the W2K box? It sounds quite reasonable, but,
 I have never tried this, I don't use windows, and would like to know if
 this would in fact be workable.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Joel
 
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Re: Home Network Connections

2003-07-12 Thread David A. Bandel
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:36:46 -0700
Tom Lombardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Not the info I needed.

Unless your router had the Desktop and Laptop (Wireless) interfaces
bridged, you need different subnets on those two interfaces.

 
 | Internet |
 
   |
 
 |  Router  |
 
 __|A |B
| |
--|  --
| Desktop |--| Laptop |
---  --

OK, let's assume your router connection (eth0) to the Internet is good.
Then you have Interface A (eth1) connected to your desktop.
You have Interface B (wlan0 or eth2) connected to your laptop.

A and B, unless you are running a bridge, must have IPs on different
subnets:
A:  192.168.0.1 with Destop 192.168.0.2
B:  192.168.1.1 with Laptop 192.168.1.2
each address above uses netmask 255.255.255.0 w/ broadcast at
xxx.xxx.xxx.255

This also makes masquerading (SNAT) to the Internet easy:
iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/23 -o eth0 -j SNAT
--to-source xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx

This help?

 
 David,
 
 Thank you again!
 
 I found more about the router:
 Channel = 6
 WEP encryption disabled

Not relevant

 
 The laptop:
 
 In the Network Configuration tool the DNS tab contains this info:
 Hostname = wireless
 Primary DNS 192.168.2.1
 Secondary DNS = [blank]
 Tertiary DNS = [blank]

worry about DNS later.  Get basic networking working first.

 
 In the KDE Control Center, Network  LAN Browsing settings:
 LISa daemon
   Scan these addresses 192.168.2.2/255.255.255.0
   Trusted addresses 192.168.2.2/255.255.255.0
   Broadcast network addresses 192.168.2.2/255.255.255.0
 ResLISa daemon
   Trusted addresses 192.168.2.2/255.255.255.0

[snip]

David A. Bandel
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Re: RH and XP

2003-07-12 Thread Joel Hammer
You really don't have to have ide0 as your only connected IDE device
when installing RH. However, I would just unplug the XP hard drive so
there is no way you can damage it while installing RH on ide0.

You can't (never say never) switch your drives back once you install RH
on ide0. This is because lilo has installed the boot sector on ide0. If
you switch drives after installing RH on ide0, the bios may not find
the boot sector. 

 However, getting ahead of ourselves, if you want to experiment, if
 you installed RH as IDE0, then switched cables with the XP and RH
 drives, and have a new bios, maybe you can tell the bios to make the
 2nd hard drive your first boot device so it can find the boot sector
 on IDE1. I haven't tried that.  That mapping trick in lilo.conf
 gives you a software switch of ide0 and ide1 when you boot XP.


The kernel is not 7.2. That is the name of the redhat distribution.

Regarding Net Llama's comment, if you want to learn linux, there is
nothing wrong with using an older distribution. The newer distros are
hiding more and more of the nuts and bolts from the user and are trying to
be more and more windows like, in my limited experience, and are thus
harder to fool with. For example, I cannot burn a new kernel with lindows,
perhaps the most user friendly distro, because I cannot figure out
(read: Won't spend the time.) how to use intrd.

Joel

 On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 11:48:00PM -0400, Koko1 wrote:
 
 Joel:
 
 Thanks for the info.  So, you're saying I unplug my ide0, CD/RW and CD-ROM,
 and see if the Maxtor (current ide1) loads up alright on ide0?  Then if it
 works, I switch ide0 and ide1, and then I edit the lilo.conf file to reflect
 what you sent me?  Is 7.2 the same kernel that you have in your example for
 your machine?  Does LILO give the option of XP and RH at startup?
 
 Sorry for all the questions.  I'm at that difficult spot between raw newbie
 and whatever the next level is.  Plus I don't want to have to screw up my XP
 drive, I have a lot on there and so do the kids.  Thanks again.
 
 Kirk
 
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Re: RH and XP

2003-07-12 Thread Michael Hipp
Joel Hammer wrote:
Regarding Net Llama's comment, if you want to learn linux, there is
nothing wrong with using an older distribution.
All true, but I'd still recommend he go ahead and download RH 9.0. By 
having a boxed set he has manuals, and I assume that might be the draw 
of it. And the RH manuals are quite good for the most part. But 98% of 
the stuff in the in the older manuals will still apply and the rest can 
be gleaned from the online RH docs. I still use my RH 7.3 books when 
fiddling with RH 9.0.

Just some thoughts ...
Michael
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Serial ATA on Linux?

2003-07-12 Thread Michael Hipp
Anyone have any experience using Serial ATA controllers  drives under 
Linux? Can you recommend a brand of controller?

I need to invest in some storage and would like to head in that direction.

Thanks,
Michael Hipp
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Re: Running scripts from linux to modify image files on a windows2000 box

2003-07-12 Thread Joel Hammer
What software are you referring to?

I did download cygwin from somewhere. It gave me a unix like environment
in windows but the root directory it supplied would not let me access
the other directories on the windows box.

Joel

On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 12:05:38PM +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
 Make life simple. Go to the Gnu site and download the stuff for Windows.
 There is a small exe that you install, and it manages installing the
 rest. You will get a nice shell and many Unix commands into the bargain.
 Then, your scripting environment will be the same. Run the same scripts
 on Linux and Windows. I do this and am happy with the setup. If you are
 using ImageMagik, you can install the winders version and be complete.
 
 On Sat, 2003-07-12 at 04:23, Joel Hammer wrote:
  At work, I am going to have a digital camera tethered to a linux box
  via usb.  This linux box will connect directly via an ethernet connection
  to a windows 2000 box in another room, which will be the major player in
  image processing and storage. I could change this I suppose, and have the
  linux box tethered to the camera as the major player, but I am worried
  about the slow down due to the cable connection.
  
  I am going to need to run a number of repetitive image editing commands
  via scripts on the captured images, after they are sent to the windows
  2000 box. For example, they need to be labelled, commented, turned upside
  down (Our camera is mounted upside down.), and resized, at least. I
  could do all this before they are sent, but the W2K computer is going to
  be capturing images, too, and they will need to be edited in a similar
  fashion.
  
  I will be using image magick's collection of command line programs to
  accomplish this. There are versions of image magick for W2K as well as
  for linux.
  
  Now, since I know nothing of scripting in W2K but a lot about scripting in
  linux, would it be possible to mount the appropriate W2K directories
  on the linux box, and run the editing commands in linux, even though
  the files are stored on the W2K box? It sounds quite reasonable, but,
  I have never tried this, I don't use windows, and would like to know if
  this would in fact be workable.
  
  Thanks,
  
  Joel
  
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Re: Running scripts from linux to modify image files on a windows2000 box

2003-07-12 Thread Michael Hipp
Joel Hammer wrote:

I did download cygwin from somewhere. It gave me a unix like environment
in windows but the root directory it supplied would not let me access
the other directories on the windows box.
These often don't show up in a 'ls' but they're there in all cygwin 
installations:

/cygdrive/c
/cygdrive/d
etc.




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Re: Moving Domain Registration

2003-07-12 Thread Raymond Russell
On 7/9/03 23:28, Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I didn't know comcast was so stable. I was talking to someone yesterday
 who was told by comcast that the ip might change without notice on his
 next reboot. (He wanted to set up a web server)
 
 I searched for DynDNS and found a page of clients that you can run to
 notify them of changes.


Comcast service varies by location, some parts of their service area very
unstable while others are extremely stable.  My IP has not changed since
Comcast took over the @Home service in my area.

The only problem is that they frown on servers like Kurt said unless you get
the Pro level service.


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Re: Serial ATA on Linux?

2003-07-12 Thread Net Llama!
On 07/12/03 06:35, Michael Hipp wrote:

Anyone have any experience using Serial ATA controllers  drives under 
Linux? Can you recommend a brand of controller?

I need to invest in some storage and would like to head in that direction.
From what i've heard, the support is rather poor  limited right now.  I 
don't have specifics, unfortunately.

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RE: Windows 2000 as a print server for linux

2003-07-12 Thread Wil McGilvery
You can configure the unix clients to print remotely to the shared printer on the 
windows box. What printer formats you want are determined by the printers and software 
installed on the windows box. 

Regards,

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Manager, Digital Media



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-Original Message-
From: Joel Hammer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 9:58 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I have to fool with a windows pro 2000 box at work.
I note that there is an option to configure it as a print server for
unix clients. Does that mean that there is a way to get windows to filter
the print job for the printer attached to the windows box with 2000? It
would be nice if windows 2000 would take a postscript file and convert
it into a printer specific format.

Thanks,

Joel
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RE: Running scripts from linux to modify image files on a windows2000box

2003-07-12 Thread Wil McGilvery
Since mounting a windows share would be similar to mounting another volume on the 
linux box, running scripts to affect the files would not be a problem.

Another solution would be to install cygwin on the windows box and use your scripts 
locally.

Regards,

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-Original Message-
From: Joel Hammer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 10:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

At work, I am going to have a digital camera tethered to a linux box
via usb.  This linux box will connect directly via an ethernet connection
to a windows 2000 box in another room, which will be the major player in
image processing and storage. I could change this I suppose, and have the
linux box tethered to the camera as the major player, but I am worried
about the slow down due to the cable connection.

I am going to need to run a number of repetitive image editing commands
via scripts on the captured images, after they are sent to the windows
2000 box. For example, they need to be labelled, commented, turned upside
down (Our camera is mounted upside down.), and resized, at least. I
could do all this before they are sent, but the W2K computer is going to
be capturing images, too, and they will need to be edited in a similar
fashion.

I will be using image magick's collection of command line programs to
accomplish this. There are versions of image magick for W2K as well as
for linux.

Now, since I know nothing of scripting in W2K but a lot about scripting in
linux, would it be possible to mount the appropriate W2K directories
on the linux box, and run the editing commands in linux, even though
the files are stored on the W2K box? It sounds quite reasonable, but,
I have never tried this, I don't use windows, and would like to know if
this would in fact be workable.

Thanks,

Joel

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Re: Running scripts from linux to modify image files on a windows2000 box

2003-07-12 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
On Sat, 2003-07-12 at 16:04, Joel Hammer wrote:
 What software are you referring to?
 
 I did download cygwin from somewhere. It gave me a unix like environment
 in windows but the root directory it supplied would not let me access
 the other directories on the windows box.

It was cygwin I referred to. I have had no trouble accessing any
directories at all, including those from SAMBA or other Windows boxes.
It is just that the base part of the path is different. But, if you
check the environment at the start of the script, you can determine if
it is windows or unix and set the base to the appropriate thing. Still
one script that runs on both environments. In fact, I have found very
little I could not do this way. I really detested the need to make it
work in command.exe.

Another cross platform script language is Tcl/Tk. This has the added
advantage of letting you add a platform independent GUI. There are nice
tools for working with images, like the Img extension. For our 'real'
scripts, this is what we use. There is even a netscape/explorer plugin
so you can embed the script in a web page and let it execute in a
browser. I have not used this, but I can see the use of such a thing.


 
 Joel
 
 On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 12:05:38PM +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
  Make life simple. Go to the Gnu site and download the stuff for Windows.
  There is a small exe that you install, and it manages installing the
  rest. You will get a nice shell and many Unix commands into the bargain.
  Then, your scripting environment will be the same. Run the same scripts
  on Linux and Windows. I do this and am happy with the setup. If you are
  using ImageMagik, you can install the winders version and be complete.
  
  On Sat, 2003-07-12 at 04:23, Joel Hammer wrote:
   At work, I am going to have a digital camera tethered to a linux box
   via usb.  This linux box will connect directly via an ethernet connection
   to a windows 2000 box in another room, which will be the major player in
   image processing and storage. I could change this I suppose, and have the
   linux box tethered to the camera as the major player, but I am worried
   about the slow down due to the cable connection.
   
   I am going to need to run a number of repetitive image editing commands
   via scripts on the captured images, after they are sent to the windows
   2000 box. For example, they need to be labelled, commented, turned upside
   down (Our camera is mounted upside down.), and resized, at least. I
   could do all this before they are sent, but the W2K computer is going to
   be capturing images, too, and they will need to be edited in a similar
   fashion.
   
   I will be using image magick's collection of command line programs to
   accomplish this. There are versions of image magick for W2K as well as
   for linux.
   
   Now, since I know nothing of scripting in W2K but a lot about scripting in
   linux, would it be possible to mount the appropriate W2K directories
   on the linux box, and run the editing commands in linux, even though
   the files are stored on the W2K box? It sounds quite reasonable, but,
   I have never tried this, I don't use windows, and would like to know if
   this would in fact be workable.
   
   Thanks,
   
   Joel
   
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Zaire still won't connect

2003-07-12 Thread Joel Hammer
Still trying to get my Zaire to connect via usb. Just love progress!
I have upgraded lindows and now see this when I attach my Zaire:

 hub.c: new USB device 00:11.2-2, assigned address 10
 usbserial.c: Handspring Visor / Palm 4.0 / Clii 4.x converter detected
 visor.c: Handspring Visor / Palm 4.0 / Clii 4.x: Number of ports: 2
 visor.c: Handspring Visor / Palm 4.0 / Clii 4.x: port 1, is for Generic use and is 
bound to ttyUSB0
 visor.c: Handspring Visor / Palm 4.0 / Clii 4.x: port 2, is for HotSync use and is 
bound to ttyUSB1
 usbserial.c: Handspring Visor / Palm 4.0 / Clii 4.x converter now attached to ttyUSB0 
(or usb/tts/0 for devfs
 usbserial.c: Handspring Visor / Palm 4.0 / Clii 4.x converter now attached to ttyUSB1 
(or usb/tts/1 for devfs

This all looks good, although I don't understand how the visor module
binds to both usb ports. Seems odd.  However, I still can't get jpilot
to talk to the Zaire, even through I tried all four ports suggested
by this output. (/dev/ttyUSB0, /dev/tts/0, etc). I tried sticking
the cable into both usb ports.  I don't get much in the way of error
messages. In fact, no error messages, even starting jpilot from the
command line.

All I get is this:
   J-Pilot: press the hotsync button on the cradle or kill 4181

Of course, I have already pressed the hotsync button. If you don't, devfs
doesn't create /usb/tts/1 etc and then things really just don't work.

Any suggestions welcome.

Joel

BTW, not impressed by the upgrade with lindows. Lindows seems determined
to kill its product with false advertising. The upgrade wasn't one
click. You have to reinstall the whole thing.

Joel

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Re: Zaire still won't connect

2003-07-12 Thread Ian Stephen
On Sat, 2003-07-12 at 13:35, Joel Hammer wrote:
 Still trying to get my Zaire to connect via usb. Just love progress!
snip
 All I get is this:
J-Pilot: press the hotsync button on the cradle or kill 4181
 
 Of course, I have already pressed the hotsync button

Several things (that prolly won't help, but...)

1. You have Pilot-Link? Have you seen http://pilot-link.org/README.usb ?
2. When I used J-Pilot (serial Palm cradle) I always had to press the
hotsync button twice to make it go.
3. Changed to syncing with Evolution with the stuff from Ximian's site. 
Am very happy.  Email, Tasks, Calendar and Contacts all in one place. 
Memos get saved to a MyPilot folder.  New memos created on PC and
saved as plain text into that folder appear on Palm at next sync.
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Re: Running scripts from linux to modify image files on a windows2000 box

2003-07-12 Thread Joel Hammer
OK. I have got cygwin, and I can access windows directories, and this
looks very possible. I can download a lot of packages and they work. This
could get habit forming.

However, how does one install software that doesn't appear  in the
menus when you run setup.exe? I need to install imagemagick's command
line utilities, but I did not see imagemagick in the list of available
programs.

Thanks,

Joel
 


 On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 08:47:39PM +0200, Roger
Oberholtzer wrote:

 On Sat, 2003-07-12 at 16:04, Joel Hammer wrote:
  What software are you referring to?
  
  I did download cygwin from somewhere. It gave me a unix like environment
  in windows but the root directory it supplied would not let me access
  the other directories on the windows box.
 
 It was cygwin I referred to. I have had no trouble accessing any
 directories at all, including those from SAMBA or other Windows boxes.
 It is just that the base part of the path is different. But, if you
 check the environment at the start of the script, you can determine if
 it is windows or unix and set the base to the appropriate thing. Still
 one script that runs on both environments. In fact, I have found very
 little I could not do this way. I really detested the need to make it
 work in command.exe.
 
 Another cross platform script language is Tcl/Tk. This has the added
 advantage of letting you add a platform independent GUI. There are nice
 tools for working with images, like the Img extension. For our 'real'
 scripts, this is what we use. There is even a netscape/explorer plugin
 so you can embed the script in a web page and let it execute in a
 browser. I have not used this, but I can see the use of such a thing.
 
 
  
  Joel
  
  On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 12:05:38PM +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
   Make life simple. Go to the Gnu site and download the stuff for Windows.
   There is a small exe that you install, and it manages installing the
   rest. You will get a nice shell and many Unix commands into the bargain.
   Then, your scripting environment will be the same. Run the same scripts
   on Linux and Windows. I do this and am happy with the setup. If you are
   using ImageMagik, you can install the winders version and be complete.
   
   On Sat, 2003-07-12 at 04:23, Joel Hammer wrote:
At work, I am going to have a digital camera tethered to a linux box
via usb.  This linux box will connect directly via an ethernet connection
to a windows 2000 box in another room, which will be the major player in
image processing and storage. I could change this I suppose, and have the
linux box tethered to the camera as the major player, but I am worried
about the slow down due to the cable connection.

I am going to need to run a number of repetitive image editing commands
via scripts on the captured images, after they are sent to the windows
2000 box. For example, they need to be labelled, commented, turned upside
down (Our camera is mounted upside down.), and resized, at least. I
could do all this before they are sent, but the W2K computer is going to
be capturing images, too, and they will need to be edited in a similar
fashion.

I will be using image magick's collection of command line programs to
accomplish this. There are versions of image magick for W2K as well as
for linux.

Now, since I know nothing of scripting in W2K but a lot about scripting in
linux, would it be possible to mount the appropriate W2K directories
on the linux box, and run the editing commands in linux, even though
the files are stored on the W2K box? It sounds quite reasonable, but,
I have never tried this, I don't use windows, and would like to know if
this would in fact be workable.

Thanks,

Joel

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Re: Zaire still won't connect

2003-07-12 Thread Joel Hammer
I don't have pilot-link. Do I need it?

I downloaded Ximian Evolution.  It won't work with the palm because I
need some gnome tools.

Grrr

Oh well, I will just have to not use my  palm for a few months/years
longer. I am getting fond of pcal. I will not bother with this problem
anymore. I have at least 30 hours of my time invested, all wasted.

I'll skip my usual rant. Not worth it. But, its worth noting in passing
that linux developers wrote devfs without getting any input from
me. I would have told them to make all handhelds plug and play with
linux before they fix something that wasn't broken. That is, if they
are serious about getting linux on the desktop, which apparently they
are not. I would never recommend linux to the average user because of
shortcomings like this. This is a show stopper.

It is hard not to get the impression that linux is a place where
adolescents like to play. For example, going though the warehouse at
Lindows, I noted that there were pages of mp3 players and cd rippers. But,
there are only two office suites. One staroffice, which came out of a
commercial background and was a free gift (charity) to the opensource
movement and is a serious package. The other is koffice, the opensource
answer to MS. I have never found Koffice useful.  Don't linux advocates
get worried ?

Bill Gates must sleep well at night.

Joel

P.S. This wasn't the rant. I erased that.
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Re: Zaire still won't connect

2003-07-12 Thread ronnie gauthier
Depending on the distro you are using Ximian has a thing call red carpet, an
updater gui. It keeps gnome/evolution udated and also the distro itself. I used
it in the past and pilot-link was one of the things it installed. When I
installed evolution on a RH7.3 I did not install gnome anything on the initial
install and when I put in evolution had all sorts of troubles until I used red
carpet, then magic presto, all problems with evo were gone.

On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:36:35 -0400 - Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
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Re: Re: Zaire still won't connect

I don't have pilot-link. Do I need it?

I downloaded Ximian Evolution.  It won't work with the palm because I
need some gnome tools.

Grrr
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Re: Zaire still won't connect

2003-07-12 Thread Net Llama!
On 07/12/03 18:36, Joel Hammer wrote:
I don't have pilot-link. Do I need it?
I know nothing about palm pilots.  I've never owned one, and never used 
one.  I spent 3 minutes Googling and found numerous references to the 
requirement that pilot-link be installed  functional before you can access 
a palm pilot in Linux.  Of course about 1 of those three minutes was trying 
to figure out what the heck a 'Zaire' was, until i realized that you meant 
Zire.  For your edification:
http://snovae.in2p3.fr/ycopin/soft/zire.html
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/62164
http://www.slac.com/pilone/kpilot_home/hardware.html

and last, but certainly not least, the official jpilot documentation where 
pilot-link is explicitly specified as a prerequisite:
http://www.henrikbecker.mynetcologne.de/jpilot/jpilot-manual-en-2.html#ss2.1

I downloaded Ximian Evolution.  It won't work with the palm because I
need some gnome tools.
Grrr

Oh well, I will just have to not use my  palm for a few months/years
longer. I am getting fond of pcal. I will not bother with this problem
anymore. I have at least 30 hours of my time invested, all wasted.
Perhaps it wouldn't have been had you spent a few minutes reading the 
documentation.

I'll skip my usual rant. Not worth it. But, its worth noting in passing
that linux developers wrote devfs without getting any input from
me. I would have told them to make all handhelds plug and play with
linux before they fix something that wasn't broken. That is, if they
are serious about getting linux on the desktop, which apparently they
are not. I would never recommend linux to the average user because of
shortcomings like this. This is a show stopper.
No.  Not reading documentation is the show stopper.  PEBCAK.

It is hard not to get the impression that linux is a place where
adolescents like to play. For example, going though the warehouse at
Lindows, I noted that there were pages of mp3 players and cd rippers. But,
there are only two office suites. One staroffice, which came out of a
commercial background and was a free gift (charity) to the opensource
movement and is a serious package. The other is koffice, the opensource
answer to MS. I have never found Koffice useful.  Don't linux advocates
get worried ?
Only about FUD mongers.  Some people deserve windoze.

Bill Gates must sleep well at night.
i'm sure he does.

Joel

P.S. This wasn't the rant. I erased that.
you sure fooled me.

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Re: Zaire still won't connect

2003-07-12 Thread Net Llama!
I'd be shocked if red carpet actually worked by default on Lindows, since 
it would be a direct competitor with their PoS software warehouse.

On 07/12/03 19:39, ronnie gauthier wrote:

Depending on the distro you are using Ximian has a thing call red carpet, an
updater gui. It keeps gnome/evolution udated and also the distro itself. I used
it in the past and pilot-link was one of the things it installed. When I
installed evolution on a RH7.3 I did not install gnome anything on the initial
install and when I put in evolution had all sorts of troubles until I used red
carpet, then magic presto, all problems with evo were gone.
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:36:35 -0400 - Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
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Re: Re: Zaire still won't connect

I don't have pilot-link. Do I need it?

I downloaded Ximian Evolution.  It won't work with the palm because I
need some gnome tools.
Grrr
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Re: Zaire still won't connect

2003-07-12 Thread Yu Meng Chong
Joel Hammer wrote:

Don't linux advocates
get worried ?
Bill Gates must sleep well at night.

Joel
 

I will admit that Open Source is not as user-friendly as more commercial 
efforts, and lately, in the rush to catch-up, I find that more and 
more Open Source software that is released is buggy or requires 
considerable effort to get it to work as advertised (which is why I'm 
actually considering downgrading from Red Hat 9 to TurboLinux 8, and 
from KDE3 to xfce). I think that, for people living in more prosperous 
countries or more prosperous circumstances, there really isn't much that 
OSS can offer. But for some people in Asia, OSS is the most responsible 
way to go.

Consider this scenario :

You live on an island somewhere in the Pacific, or a small town in a 
Third World country, and you're working on an IT project, possibly 
building the first ISP there, or trying to wire up a small branch office 
for a larger company. You install some commercial software that should 
help you get a job done, for example, a RADIUS server or maybe a 
database. You hit problems either with performance or even at the 
installation stage. What do you do ? If you call for support from the 
USA, you'll normally be on wait list, and you'll definitely miss your 
deadline or become an embarrassment to colleagues and management. You 
can try contacting the local support, which you would be *very lucky* if 
he half understands your problem. The local office will probably also 
tell you that the reason why you're not getting a response is because 
your region contributes less than 1% to the revenue hence your request 
is very low priority.

I have seen this happen to me every year of my 10 years in this 
business. The *only time* I have seen prompt response from the vendor is 
when you are willing to pay to fly a consultant in to fix a problem with 
the software -- which should be working in the first place.

Open Source gives you 2 options :

1. If you have some programming background you can dig around in the 
code, and try to fix it yourself

2. You can post your question to a mailing list that actually cares 
about your problems, and maybe get a fix, or at least share the pain.

With commercial software, all you can do, if you have no budget and no 
time, is to sit with your ass hanging in the breeze (pardon my 
French), and wait for the axe to fall. Not a very attractive proposition 
if you do have programming skills and can fix the problem yourself.

Which is not to say that your concerns are not valid. If I have an 
opportunity to work in the US, and can make enough to actually buy a 
Palm (and a house and a car and plan for my retirement), I would 
probably say goodbye to Open Source as well. If I can get vendors to 
respond to my problems in a quick and timely manner, I would gladly pay 
money for commercial software.

Regards,
pascal chong


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Re: Zaire still won't connect

2003-07-12 Thread Joel Hammer
Well, point taken. As I recall, I did have pilot-link before I upgraded
lindows, which had to be done so the visor and other modules would work
with the PDA. My original problem was my kernel was a tiny bit premature
to talk properly to the palm over usb. Not that the kernel said so,
it just was so.

Since pilot-link is essential, you would think that jpilot or kpilot,
both of which I tried, would have detected the lack of this item and
complained about it. The documentation may point this out. It is a shame
their software doesn't when it runs. I guess somebody saved themselves
some time when they coded jpilot. If they were a profit making company,
they would not have shrugged and said let them read the documentation. 

I have had enuf of trying to make this thing work. I think I am just
getting to the end of my rope with some of this nonsense.  There comes
a time when you have to ask yourself, why I am having to do so much work
to get something very simple to work? The answer in this case is linux.

Joel


Jul 12, 2003 at 07:47:33PM -0700, Net Llama! wrote:
 On 07/12/03 18:36, Joel Hammer wrote:
  I don't have pilot-link. Do I need it?
 
 I know nothing about palm pilots.  I've never owned one, and never used 
 one.  I spent 3 minutes Googling and found numerous references to the 
 requirement that pilot-link be installed  functional before you can access 
 a palm pilot in Linux.  Of course about 1 of those three minutes was trying 
 to figure out what the heck a 'Zaire' was, until i realized that you meant 
 Zire.  For your edification:
 http://snovae.in2p3.fr/ycopin/soft/zire.html
 http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/62164
 http://www.slac.com/pilone/kpilot_home/hardware.html
 
 and last, but certainly not least, the official jpilot documentation where 
 pilot-link is explicitly specified as a prerequisite:
 http://www.henrikbecker.mynetcologne.de/jpilot/jpilot-manual-en-2.html#ss2.1
 
  I downloaded Ximian Evolution.  It won't work with the palm because I
  need some gnome tools.
  
  Grrr
  
  Oh well, I will just have to not use my  palm for a few months/years
  longer. I am getting fond of pcal. I will not bother with this problem
  anymore. I have at least 30 hours of my time invested, all wasted.
 
 Perhaps it wouldn't have been had you spent a few minutes reading the 
 documentation.
 
  I'll skip my usual rant. Not worth it. But, its worth noting in passing
  that linux developers wrote devfs without getting any input from
  me. I would have told them to make all handhelds plug and play with
  linux before they fix something that wasn't broken. That is, if they
  are serious about getting linux on the desktop, which apparently they
  are not. I would never recommend linux to the average user because of
  shortcomings like this. This is a show stopper.
 
 No.  Not reading documentation is the show stopper.  PEBCAK.
 
  It is hard not to get the impression that linux is a place where
  adolescents like to play. For example, going though the warehouse at
  Lindows, I noted that there were pages of mp3 players and cd rippers. But,
  there are only two office suites. One staroffice, which came out of a
  commercial background and was a free gift (charity) to the opensource
  movement and is a serious package. The other is koffice, the opensource
  answer to MS. I have never found Koffice useful.  Don't linux advocates
  get worried ?
 
 Only about FUD mongers.  Some people deserve windoze.
 
  Bill Gates must sleep well at night.
 
 i'm sure he does.
 
  
  Joel
  
  P.S. This wasn't the rant. I erased that.
 
 you sure fooled me.
 
 
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Re: Running scripts from linux to modify image files on a windows2000 box

2003-07-12 Thread Keith Morse
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Joel Hammer wrote:

 OK. I have got cygwin, and I can access windows directories, and this
 looks very possible. I can download a lot of packages and they work. This
 could get habit forming.
 
 However, how does one install software that doesn't appear  in the
 menus when you run setup.exe? I need to install imagemagick's command
 line utilities, but I did not see imagemagick in the list of available
 programs.
 
FWIW, http://cygwin.com/packages/ doesn't list any variant of imagemagick, 
but http://cygwin.com/ported.html does reference 
ftp://ftp.imagemagick.org/pub/ImageMagick/binaries/ which apparently does.  
I've not installed a ported package yet, so I can help you there.

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Re: Zaire still won't connect

2003-07-12 Thread Net Llama!
On 07/12/03 20:46, Yu Meng Chong wrote:
I will admit that Open Source is not as user-friendly as more commercial 
efforts, and lately, in the rush to catch-up, I find that more and 
more Open Source software that is released is buggy or requires 
considerable effort to get it to work as advertised (which is why I'm 
actually considering downgrading from Red Hat 9 to TurboLinux 8, and 
from KDE3 to xfce). I think that, for people living in more prosperous 
IMO, going from KDE to any other window manager is an upgrade, especially 
if its to XFCE4.

Which is not to say that your concerns are not valid. If I have an 
opportunity to work in the US, and can make enough to actually buy a 
Palm (and a house and a car and plan for my retirement), I would 
probably say goodbye to Open Source as well. If I can get vendors to 
respond to my problems in a quick and timely manner, I would gladly pay 
money for commercial software.
You're ignoring the fact that a rapidly growing number of companies are 
selling support for OSS.

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