Re: ADMIN: rsync access restricted

2003-09-04 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 05:38, Bill Campbell wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 03, 2003, burns wrote:
 On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 22:18, Kurt Wall wrote:
 
  Trying to nail down problems with rsync between the mothership and
  the mirrors. Nothing nefarious or untoward going on.
 
 
 Ahh. I am just naturally suspicious of r-services (comes with the job).
 
 There's no relationship between rsync and the berserkely ``r'' commands
 beyond the first letter of the name.

I thought (possibly incorrectly): rsync uses rsh on the client side to
do the actual talking to the server. Try running rsync without rsh
installed. And it expects rshd on the server side. You 'could' also run
an rsyncd instead of a rshd on the server side, but us clients would be
connecting on a different port (873). As we are not doing do, we are
talking to your rshd. All rather Berkeley.



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Re: OT Test[ing again] - No need to reply

2003-09-04 Thread Jean Sagi
Lotto? What do you mean?... Baloto perhaps...

Chucho!

Collins Richey wrote:
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 12:33:43 -0500
Jean Sagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am receiving email now from the list.



Congratulations.  Now you may want to try your luck with Lotto!

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Fwd: [linux-elitists] Phoenix Developing DRM-Equipped BIOS

2003-09-04 Thread Karsten M. Self
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Home  Technology News  Phoenix Developing DRM-Equipped BIOS
September 3, 2003
Phoenix Developing DRM-Equipped BIOS
By Mark Hachman

BIOS maker Phoenix Technologies said it is currently shopping a
digital-rights-enabled BIOS system to top PC OEMs, the most aggressive
use of DRM technology to date.

Phoenix executives said Wednesday that they've developed a prototype
version of its Core Management Environment (cME) using DRM technology
in conjunction with Orbid Corp., a DRM technology provider. The
software was designed to assist content providers to authenticate and
track software moving from PC to PC.

Although DRM technology has moved steadily forward, consumers have had
some choice whether to implement it. Selected software providers in
various markets, such as Intuit and Macromedia, have chosen to
implement DRM, allowing consumers to choose DRM-less alternatives.

Phoenix's efforts, however, represent a more fundamental sea change.
Phoenix is a manufacturer of BIOS software, the underlying code which
ties together a PC's operating system and the system hardware. Since a
personal computer must have BIOS installed to boot, a user could be
forced to use the DRM technology whether he or she chooses to or not.

The final version of the cME is due to launch in the fourth quarter,
Timothy D. Eades, senior vice-president of corporate marketing for
Phoenix, said in an interview.

Phoenix's customers include four out of the top five PC OEMs. Dell
Computer uses a heavily-modified Phoenix BIOS from 1988 on its
notebooks and desktops, a Dell spokesman confirmed, and Phoenix BIOSes
have appeared in Pavilion desktops and notebooks from Hewlett-Packard.

The Phoenix-Orbid deal was designed to allow content providers the
ability to track and trace content which might be shared from one
user to the next, Eades said.

DRM seems to be becoming a bigger and bigger issue, particularly
in...entertainment, Eades said. Track and trace downloads and the
authentication of those downloads is a big issue, but a number of
companies do that. Track and trace of a particular solution, however,
is done by very few companies.

The Orbid DRM software will be built into the cME, which provides an
enhanced BIOS that allows greater interaction with the operating
system. While the cME isn't directly a part of Microsoft's
Next-Generation Secure Computing Base (NGSCB), known previously as
Palladium, Eades said the technology is complementary.

Orbid's 4DRM software creates a secure area to store public keys,
which can be used to tie any file to that specific PC. The 4DRM system
creates a unique identifier for both the content as well as the
system, allowing the content providers to manage the content on a
user's PC. Orbid previously developed watermarking solutions to
identify content and prevent it from being distributed or copied,
which it calls gray trading.

Phoenix and Orbid have created a working version of the software that
Phoenix is now demonstrating for its OEM customers, Eades said. The
DRM software will be shipped as a default option inside the cME
package. It's up to the OEM whether or not to insert it on the
machine, he said. We are offering it as a default option and it's up
to them to remove it.

An OEM will also have to decide whether or not to allow an end user to
turn the DRM feature off, Eades said.

Whether or not OEMs will adopt the new technology remains to be seen.
Microsoft's NGSCB technology is currently tied to Longhorn,
Microsoft's OS revision due in about two year's time.

At Dell, the company purchased a BIOS solution from Phoenix in 1988,
and since then has assigned Dell engineers to update it with support
for the latest hardware, a spokesman said. We make it pretty clear
that Dell writes the BIOS for a particular system, he said.

Intel ships BIOSes designed by Phoenix rival AMI with its desktop
motherboards, an Intel spokesman said. Intel will discuss its own
security solution, LaGrande, at its Intel Developer Forum in two
weeks' time.


Re: OT Test[ing again] - No need to reply

2003-09-04 Thread Tom Wilson
On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 03:22, Jean Sagi wrote:
 Lotto? What do you mean?... Baloto perhaps...
 
 Chucho!

Here in America, many states have what they call a Lotto.  What happens
is you go to a local convenience store and purchase a Lotto ticket for a
US $1 a ticket.  They usually have 6 numbers on them from 1 to 40 or
so.  Then once a week they draw numbers out of a contraption that has a
bunch of numbered ping pong balls in it and you hope that the six you
picked (or had randomly generated) on your ticket are the same six that
pop up out of the ball machine.  Is so you win the jackpot of generally
some tens to hundreds of millions of dollars.  

Most people don't win.  Thus you have to pretty lucky if you do. 

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Re: OT Test[ing again] - No need to reply

2003-09-04 Thread Net Llama!
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Tom Wilson wrote:
 On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 03:22, Jean Sagi wrote:
  Lotto? What do you mean?... Baloto perhaps...
 
  Chucho!

 Here in America, many states have what they call a Lotto.  What happens
 is you go to a local convenience store and purchase a Lotto ticket for a
 US $1 a ticket.  They usually have 6 numbers on them from 1 to 40 or
 so.  Then once a week they draw numbers out of a contraption that has a
 bunch of numbered ping pong balls in it and you hope that the six you
 picked (or had randomly generated) on your ticket are the same six that
 pop up out of the ball machine.  Is so you win the jackpot of generally
 some tens to hundreds of millions of dollars.

 Most people don't win.  Thus you have to pretty lucky if you do.

As someone once said, the Lottery is a tax on the mathematically ignorant.

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Re: OT Test[ing again] - No need to reply

2003-09-04 Thread Tim Wunder
On 9/4/2003 9:29 AM, someone claiming to be Net Llama! wrote:

On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Tom Wilson wrote:

On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 03:22, Jean Sagi wrote:

Lotto? What do you mean?... Baloto perhaps...

snip

Most people don't win.  Thus you have to pretty lucky if you do.


As someone once said, the Lottery is a tax on the mathematically ignorant.

Ahh... but I *like* lotteries! Only the people who *want* to be taxed 
are taxed. I think *all* g'ment revenue should be generated via 
lotteries. That way, I'd never have to pay taxes...

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Re: OT Test[ing again] - No need to reply

2003-09-04 Thread Myles Green
On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 07:39, Tim Wunder wrote:
 On 9/4/2003 9:29 AM, someone claiming to be Net Llama! wrote:
 
  On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Tom Wilson wrote:
  
 On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 03:22, Jean Sagi wrote:
 
 Lotto? What do you mean?... Baloto perhaps...
 
 snip
 
 Most people don't win.  Thus you have to pretty lucky if you do.
  
  
  As someone once said, the Lottery is a tax on the mathematically ignorant.
  
 
 Ahh... but I *like* lotteries! Only the people who *want* to be taxed 
 are taxed. I think *all* g'ment revenue should be generated via 
 lotteries. That way, I'd never have to pay taxes...
 

LOL I'll drin^H^H^H ... agree with you on that concept!

Hey G-(wo)men!! You listening??

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Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Phoenix Developing DRM-Equipped BIOS

2003-09-04 Thread Mike Reinehr
In addition to an open source operating system, I guess we'd all better start 
supporting an open source BIOS:

http://www.linuxbios.org/index.html

cmr

On Thursday 04 September 2003 07:47 am, you wrote:
snip
 Home  Technology News  Phoenix Developing DRM-Equipped BIOS
 September 3, 2003
 Phoenix Developing DRM-Equipped BIOS
 By Mark Hachman

 BIOS maker Phoenix Technologies said it is currently shopping a
 digital-rights-enabled BIOS system to top PC OEMs, the most aggressive
 use of DRM technology to date.

big snip
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RE: OT Test[ing again] - No need to reply

2003-09-04 Thread Condon Thomas A KPWA
Tom Wilson wrote:
 Here in America, many states have what they call a Lotto.  What
 happens is you go to a local convenience store and purchase a Lotto
 ticket for a US $1 a ticket.  They usually have 6 numbers on them
 from 1 to 40 or so.  Then once a week they draw numbers out of a
 contraption that has a bunch of numbered ping pong balls in it and
 you hope that the six you picked (or had randomly generated) on your
 ticket are the same six that pop up out of the ball machine.  Is so
 you win the jackpot of generally some tens to hundreds of millions of
 dollars. 
 
 Most people don't win.  Thus you have to pretty lucky if you do.

In some places this is called the Optimist's Tax.


Tom  :-})

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Re: ADMIN: rsync access restricted

2003-09-04 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Sep 04, 2003, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 05:38, Bill Campbell wrote:
...
 There's no relationship between rsync and the berserkely ``r'' commands
 beyond the first letter of the name.

I thought (possibly incorrectly): rsync uses rsh on the client side to
do the actual talking to the server. Try running rsync without rsh
installed. And it expects rshd on the server side. You 'could' also run
an rsyncd instead of a rshd on the server side, but us clients would be
connecting on a different port (873). As we are not doing do, we are
talking to your rshd. All rather Berkeley.

``rsync -e ssh ...'' uses secure shell for the transport.

We often use rsync in server mode which has its own server for things like
updating djbdns data files on backup DNS servers where each domain master
has its own entry in the rsyncd.conf file restricting access to one
directory, and to the IP address (or CIDR block) of the updating server.

Bill
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Re: OT Test[ing again] - No need to reply

2003-09-04 Thread Klaus-Peter Schrage
Tom Wilson wrote:
On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 03:22, Jean Sagi wrote:

Lotto? What do you mean?... Baloto perhaps...

Chucho!


Here in America, many states have what they call a Lotto.  What happens
is you go to a local convenience store and purchase a Lotto ticket for a
US $1 a ticket.  They usually have 6 numbers on them from 1 to 40 or
so.  Then once a week they draw numbers out of a contraption that has a
bunch of numbered ping pong balls in it and you hope that the six you
picked (or had randomly generated) on your ticket are the same six that
pop up out of the ball machine.  Is so you win the jackpot of generally
some tens to hundreds of millions of dollars.  

Most people don't win.  Thus you have to pretty lucky if you do. 

The chances of winning aren't that bad: 1:3838380
Klaus
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YES (was Re: Did you ever find out about Portsentry?)

2003-09-04 Thread Douglas J Hunley
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Linda McKinnon shocked and awed us all by speaking:
 Hi,
 Saw your postings on this subject. I am experiencing the same thing. Was
 this software ever located? Is it dead?

I managed to contact the author (now at Cisco). He is making PortSentry and 
Logcheck GPL and availabe on SourceForge
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printk(MASQUERADE: No route: Rusty's brain broke!\n); -- 2.4.3 
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Re: less is more

2003-09-04 Thread Douglas J Hunley
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Tony Alfrey shocked and awed us all by speaking:
 Hey Doug, good job whatever you did with the linux-sxs server, I'm
 getting much much less mail crap now!

danke.

For those who want to know, I went and learned about using the REGEX class in 
sendmail (added to the SxS sendmail instructions) and added a section to our 
sendmail.cf that I snarfed from xs4all's website. It kills SoBig at the MTA 
level. I then learned how to write SpamAssassin rules, and wrote a local rule 
for each of the 'we found a virus in your email' message we were getting. The 
new rules jack up their SPAM score so that most of them are caught and 
dumped. Been a busy week!
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Re: ADMIN: rsync access restricted

2003-09-04 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 17:46, Bill Campbell wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 04, 2003, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
 On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 05:38, Bill Campbell wrote:
 ...
  There's no relationship between rsync and the berserkely ``r'' commands
  beyond the first letter of the name.
 
 I thought (possibly incorrectly): rsync uses rsh on the client side to
 do the actual talking to the server. Try running rsync without rsh
 installed. And it expects rshd on the server side. You 'could' also run
 an rsyncd instead of a rshd on the server side, but us clients would be
 connecting on a different port (873). As we are not doing do, we are
 talking to your rshd. All rather Berkeley.
 
 ``rsync -e ssh ...'' uses secure shell for the transport.

Is anyone doing this to sync the sxs?

 We often use rsync in server mode which has its own server for things like
 updating djbdns data files on backup DNS servers where each domain master
 has its own entry in the rsyncd.conf file restricting access to one
 directory, and to the IP address (or CIDR block) of the updating server.

Which is the way things should be. But rsync 'out of the box' and using
the command lines I have seen in sxs update scripts use none of this.

I just installed SuSE on a laptop and wanted to rsync to it. That is
when I discovered that the rsync daemon was not relevant, in favor of
rshd.


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Re: ADMIN: rsync access restricted

2003-09-04 Thread Douglas J Hunley
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Kurt Wall shocked and awed us all by speaking:
 Trying to nail down problems with rsync between the mothership and
 the mirrors. Nothing nefarious or untoward going on.

you are both correct and wrong at the same time Kurt. 

correct in that it's part of trying to figure out the issues with periodic 
rsync failures. but there are also several IPs in the rsync logs that haven't 
been claimed by anybody yet. Unofficial mirrors? Private mirrors? IP theft? 
Who knows. Been meaning to put a stop to it for a while now..

I can't believe I just said 'IP theft' .. 
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Re: ADMIN: rsync access restricted

2003-09-04 Thread Douglas J Hunley
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Roger Oberholtzer shocked and awed us all by speaking:
 I thought (possibly incorrectly): rsync uses rsh on the client side to
 do the actual talking to the server. Try running rsync without rsh
 installed. And it expects rshd on the server side. You 'could' also run
 an rsyncd instead of a rshd on the server side, but us clients would be
 connecting on a different port (873). As we are not doing do, we are
 talking to your rshd. All rather Berkeley.

It can do that. But we don't have any of the 'r' commands installed on the 
mothership. rsyncd runs on 873. works awesome (usually)
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Re: ADMIN: rsync access restricted

2003-09-04 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Sep 04, 2003, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 17:46, Bill Campbell wrote:
...
 We often use rsync in server mode which has its own server for things like
 updating djbdns data files on backup DNS servers where each domain master
 has its own entry in the rsyncd.conf file restricting access to one
 directory, and to the IP address (or CIDR block) of the updating server.

Which is the way things should be. But rsync 'out of the box' and using
the command lines I have seen in sxs update scripts use none of this.

I just installed SuSE on a laptop and wanted to rsync to it. That is
when I discovered that the rsync daemon was not relevant, in favor of
rshd.

SuSE 8.[12] leaves most services disabled by default, and rsync needs to be
enabled either by manually editing the /etc/xinetd.d/rsync file or with the
yast2 interface.  For that matter, I don't think that SuSE has the normal
berkely ``r'' commands turned on by default either.

Bill
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Re: ADMIN: rsync access restricted

2003-09-04 Thread Douglas J Hunley
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Roger Oberholtzer shocked and awed us all by speaking:
  ``rsync -e ssh ...'' uses secure shell for the transport.

 Is anyone doing this to sync the sxs?

nope

 Which is the way things should be. But rsync 'out of the box' and using
 the command lines I have seen in sxs update scripts use none of this.

we use rsync in daemon mode on the SxS. Allowing anonymous access. It used to 
available to anyone. I've since locked it down to a list of approved IPs

the are *no* Berkeley 'r' services installed on the mothership. can't stand 
em.
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Re: YES (was Re: Did you ever find out about Portsentry?)

2003-09-04 Thread burns
On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 14:50, Douglas J Hunley wrote:

 I managed to contact the author (now at Cisco). He is making PortSentry and 
 Logcheck GPL and availabe on SourceForge

Good man. Portsentry (and Logcheck too for that matter) was too useful
too whither away.
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Re: OT Test[ing again] - No need to reply

2003-09-04 Thread Kurt Wall
Quoth Net Llama!:
 On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Tom Wilson wrote:
  On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 03:22, Jean Sagi wrote:
   Lotto? What do you mean?... Baloto perhaps...
  
   Chucho!
 
  Here in America, many states have what they call a Lotto.  What happens
  is you go to a local convenience store and purchase a Lotto ticket for a
  US $1 a ticket.  They usually have 6 numbers on them from 1 to 40 or
  so.  Then once a week they draw numbers out of a contraption that has a
  bunch of numbered ping pong balls in it and you hope that the six you
  picked (or had randomly generated) on your ticket are the same six that
  pop up out of the ball machine.  Is so you win the jackpot of generally
  some tens to hundreds of millions of dollars.
 
  Most people don't win.  Thus you have to pretty lucky if you do.
 
 As someone once said, the Lottery is a tax on the mathematically ignorant.

Right. The Optimists' Tax. That said, if I actually won the Powerball
Lottery (I don't play, so I won't win), you could call me mathematically
ignorant all you want.

But, as I said, I hardly every buy a lottery ticket, so I'm not likely
to win.

Kurt
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Some errors in /var/log/maillog

2003-09-04 Thread Swapana Ghosh

Hi

We are running sendmail in one of our server. Last few days in the 
/var/log/maillog  , i am getting this type of error messages.

Sep  4 00:25:01 server sendmail[23133]: gethostbyaddr(xxx.xxx.xx.35) failed: 1
Sep  4 00:25:01 server sendmail[23133]: gethostbyaddr(xxx.xxx.xx.37) failed: 1
Sep  4 00:25:01 server sendmail[23133]: gethostbyaddr(xxx.xxx.xx.56) failed: 1

 Can anybody give me some hints..

Thanks.
-Swapna

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Re: Some errors in /var/log/maillog

2003-09-04 Thread Keith Morse
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Swapana Ghosh wrote:

 
 Hi
 
 We are running sendmail in one of our server. Last few days in the 
 /var/log/maillog  , i am getting this type of error messages.
 
 Sep  4 00:25:01 server sendmail[23133]: gethostbyaddr(xxx.xxx.xx.35) failed: 1
 Sep  4 00:25:01 server sendmail[23133]: gethostbyaddr(xxx.xxx.xx.37) failed: 1
 Sep  4 00:25:01 server sendmail[23133]: gethostbyaddr(xxx.xxx.xx.56) failed: 1
 
  Can anybody give me some hints..
 
 Thanks.
 -Swapna
 


Reverse lookup failed?  the zone for xxx.xxx.xx.35 (and others) doesn't 
have any PTR records for that ip or the zone does not exist on any dns 
server.
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Re: YES (was Re: Did you ever find out about Portsentry?)

2003-09-04 Thread Kurt Wall
Quoth burns:
 On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 14:50, Douglas J Hunley wrote:
 
  I managed to contact the author (now at Cisco). He is making PortSentry and 
  Logcheck GPL and availabe on SourceForge
 
 Good man. Portsentry (and Logcheck too for that matter) was too useful
 too whither away.

Truly. See Sentry Tools: http://sourceforge.net/projects/sentrytools/

Kurt
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Re: ADMIN: rsync access restricted

2003-09-04 Thread Kurt Wall
Quoth Douglas J Hunley:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 Kurt Wall shocked and awed us all by speaking:
  Trying to nail down problems with rsync between the mothership and
  the mirrors. Nothing nefarious or untoward going on.
 
 you are both correct and wrong at the same time Kurt. 
 
 correct in that it's part of trying to figure out the issues with periodic 
 rsync failures. but there are also several IPs in the rsync logs that haven't 
 been claimed by anybody yet. Unofficial mirrors? Private mirrors? IP theft? 
 Who knows. Been meaning to put a stop to it for a while now..

Private mirrors, I should think. I suppose I don't want to assume
ill until compelled to do so.

 I can't believe I just said 'IP theft' .. 

Yah, well. 
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Re: OT Test[ing again] - No need to reply

2003-09-04 Thread ronnie gauthier
6 out of 40 if they must be picked in order drawn(if number drawn is removed)
40*39*38*36*35*34
else if not removed
40*40*40*40*40*40

any 6 out of 40(removed)
40*39*38*36*35*34
-
6*5*4*3*2*1

6 out of 40(removed) with 25 powerballs
40*39*38*36*35*34
- *25
6*5*4*3*2*1

so what you have in one form or another
 n!
   *Pb
n! (n-k)!
 

On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 19:54:41 -0400 - Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the
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Re: Re: OT Test[ing again] - No need to reply

Quoth Klaus-Peter Schrage:
 Tom Wilson wrote:
 
 Here in America, many states have what they call a Lotto.  What happens
 is you go to a local convenience store and purchase a Lotto ticket for a
 US $1 a ticket.  They usually have 6 numbers on them from 1 to 40 or
 so.  Then once a week they draw numbers out of a contraption that has a
 bunch of numbered ping pong balls in it and you hope that the six you
 picked (or had randomly generated) on your ticket are the same six that
 pop up out of the ball machine.  Is so you win the jackpot of generally
 some tens to hundreds of millions of dollars.  
 
 Most people don't win.  Thus you have to pretty lucky if you do. 
 
 The chances of winning aren't that bad: 1:3838380

Mm, my statistics is a little rusty, but wouldn't the chances be rather
worse? Order matters, so we want permutations, not combinations. So,

40_P_6 = 40!/(40 - 6)! = 40!/34! = 2,763,633,000
40_C_6 = 40!/(6! * (40 - 6)!) = 40!/(6! * 34!) = 3,838,380

Kurt
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