Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
Some of the only issues I've run into with it blowing up on me have been related to the .DCOP and socket links when I do something out of the ordinary. I'd kind of prefer that these were deleted at start up (softlinks from .kde and .kde2 to /tmp/...) because while I can figure them out, I always look at Linux as an ALTERNATIVE to Windows, not just it's mysterious nemesis (ie. How would my parents feel if this happened?). Normally this behavior happens when I su to another user and start up some DCOP-oriented KDE app (which I'm not real impressed with). Other than that, I am KDE or CLI and have been since my start with OL2.2. I've used Gnome a bit, don't get me wrong. But I always have been more impressed with KDE, and particularly COL's versions of KDE (with integration of key system config apps into KControl) On Fri, 24 May 2002 05:28:57 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: begin Brett I. Holcomb's quote: | That's what's so frustrating about KDE and why I'm abandoing it. | Kmail is an excellent mail program - handles mail lists well, | handles multiple accounts, good filtering - something others don't | do. Knode is a decent newsreader. However, KDE is an oinking pig. | It's a Window enviroment with the emphasis on WINDOWS! Windows | has blue screens of death - KDE just decides to quit working and | you have to remove all in /tmp, delete ~./kde2 (actually save it | somewhere, then delete it) and put all your apps back in it! And | like windows it does it at the most inopportune time. I'll be | checking out xfce and Gnome. you're right about its being untight code that requires more hardware than it ought to. but in constant use of kde on multiple machines here since 1.0, except for very early alphas i have *never* had it blow up on me. i do compile it myself, and i do pay attention to my hardware, and i suppose both of these might enter into it. but of the various complaints against it -- and there certainly are some -- instability has never been one around here. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
On May 23, 2002 09:18 pm, Keith Antoine wrote: On Friday 24 May 2002 13:13, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: with the emphasis on WINDOWS! Windows has blue screens of death - KDE just decides to quit working and you have to remove all in /tmp, delete ~./kde2 (actually save it somewhere, then delete it) and put all your apps back in it! And like windows it does it at the most inopportune time. I'll be checking out xfce and Gnome. I have experienced non of the problems you talk about, however it maybe that with the hardware setup I have; both disk and memory space; I might just never see them beacuse of that fact. I've used kde for quite a while and, like Keith, I also have yet to encounter any such problems. David Aikema ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
On Thu, 23 May 2002 21:28:27 -0700 David Aikema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 23, 2002 09:18 pm, Keith Antoine wrote: On Friday 24 May 2002 13:13, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: with the emphasis on WINDOWS! Windows has blue screens of death - KDE just decides to quit working and you have to remove all in /tmp, delete~./kde2 (actually save it somewhere, then delete it) and put all your apps back in it! And like windows it does it at the most inopportune time. I'll be checking out xfce and Gnome. I have experienced non of the problems you talk about, however it maybe that with the hardware setup I have; both disk and memory space; I might just never see them beacuse of that fact. I've used kde for quite a while and, like Keith, I also have yet to encounter any such problems. I only encounter them when doing an upgrade. All this really dumb confusion of /opt/kde vs. /opt/kde2, and $HOME/.kde vs. $HOME/.kde2 and $KDEDIR vs. $KDEDIRS and Desktop vs. Desktop2. This is a big part of what keeps screwing up the config files... In a kde2-only system, why are both needed? Is Caldera the only one that has both sets of things? -- ++===+ | Roger Oberholtzer | E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | OPQ Systems AB | WWW: http://www.opq.se/ | | Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 |Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 | | 115 32 Stockholm | Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 | | Sweden | Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 | ++===+ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
Keith Antoine wrote: On Friday 24 May 2002 13:13, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: That's what's so frustrating about KDE and why I'm abandoing it. Kmail is an excellent mail program - handles mail lists well, handles multiple accounts, good filtering - something others don't do. Knode is a decent newsreader. However, KDE is an oinking pig. It's a Window enviroment with the emphasis on WINDOWS! Windows has blue screens of death - KDE just decides to quit working and you have to remove all in /tmp, delete ~./kde2 (actually save it somewhere, then delete it) and put all your apps back in it! And like windows it does it at the most inopportune time. I'll be checking out xfce and Gnome. I have experienced non of the problems you talk about, however it maybe that with the hardware setup I have; both disk and memory space; I might just never see them beacuse of that fact. Or its because you've never used anything else with which to compare it. Install XFCE, and run it *once*, and i guarentee you'll notice how abhorant KDE is. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 12:30am up 35 days, 7:23, 3 users, load average: 0.15, 0.29, 0.35 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
On Friday 24 May 2002 17:19, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Thu, 23 May 2002 21:28:27 -0700 I only encounter them when doing an upgrade. All this really dumb confusion of /opt/kde vs. /opt/kde2, and $HOME/.kde vs. $HOME/.kde2 and $KDEDIR vs. $KDEDIRS and Desktop vs. Desktop2. This is a big part of what keeps screwing up the config files... In a kde2-only system, why are both needed? Is Caldera the only one that has both sets of things? Suse has /opt/kde2 and /opt/kde3 in $HOME there is .kde and .kde2 only one desktop plus $KDEDIR. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
On Friday 24 May 2002 17:35, Net Llama! wrote: No Lonni, its just that I do not like the other offerings, unlike yourself I like kde it suits me. Or its because you've never used anything else with which to compare it. Install XFCE, and run it *once*, and i guarentee you'll notice how abhorant KDE is. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
On Fri, 24 May 2002 19:07:19 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 24 May 2002 17:19, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Thu, 23 May 2002 21:28:27 -0700 I only encounter them when doing an upgrade. All this really dumb confusion of /opt/kde vs. /opt/kde2, and $HOME/.kde vs. $HOME/.kde2 and $KDEDIR vs. $KDEDIRS and Desktop vs. Desktop2. This is a big part of what keeps screwing up the config files... In a kde2-only system, why are both needed? Is Caldera the only one that has both sets of things? Suse has /opt/kde2 and /opt/kde3 in $HOME there is .kde and .kde2 only one desktop plus $KDEDIR. So is keeping an /opt/kde with a few mysterious items in it, as well as an /opt/kde2 with the actual KDE2 a Caldera thing? And what about $KDEDIRS ? If you don't ever have KDE1 installed (like a new Caldera 3.x install), then what is the point of KDEDIR pointing to where KDE is NOT installed but instead to a place that contains a few old relics present on the system for no documented reason? As Calders compile everything froms scratch in their distro (right?), what would want/need a place separate from where KDE2 is installed? If I later install a new KDE, then I place them elsewhere. But I am only wondering about the original install of a single version of KDE2. -- ++===+ | Roger Oberholtzer | E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | OPQ Systems AB | WWW: http://www.opq.se/ | | Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 |Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 | | 115 32 Stockholm | Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 | | Sweden | Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 | ++===+ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
begin Brett I. Holcomb's quote: | That's what's so frustrating about KDE and why I'm abandoing it. | Kmail is an excellent mail program - handles mail lists well, | handles multiple accounts, good filtering - something others don't | do. Knode is a decent newsreader. However, KDE is an oinking pig. | It's a Window enviroment with the emphasis on WINDOWS! Windows | has blue screens of death - KDE just decides to quit working and | you have to remove all in /tmp, delete ~./kde2 (actually save it | somewhere, then delete it) and put all your apps back in it! And | like windows it does it at the most inopportune time. I'll be | checking out xfce and Gnome. you're right about its being untight code that requires more hardware than it ought to. but in constant use of kde on multiple machines here since 1.0, except for very early alphas i have *never* had it blow up on me. i do compile it myself, and i do pay attention to my hardware, and i suppose both of these might enter into it. but of the various complaints against it -- and there certainly are some -- instability has never been one around here. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
begin Roger Oberholtzer's quote: | I only encounter them when doing an upgrade. All this really dumb | confusion of /opt/kde vs. /opt/kde2, and $HOME/.kde vs. $HOME/.kde2 | and $KDEDIR vs. $KDEDIRS and Desktop vs. Desktop2. This is a big | part of what keeps screwing up the config files... | | In a kde2-only system, why are both needed? Is Caldera the only one | that has both sets of things? no, suse does some stuff with them which defies rational explanation. i suspect that part of the reason i've had great success with kde is that i do not try to do things with multiple versions on the same machine at the same time. that way lies madness. instead, i have three symlinks: /opt/kde, which points to whatever kde i'm using; /usr/lib/qt, which points to the qt appropriate to the kde in use; and ~/.kde, which points to my kde configuration files. when trying new versions, i change these symlinks to point to the new stuff, with ~/.kde being a copy of my old configuration files. if some application fails to work because of the guys didn't keep config file backward compatibility, i nuke it and let it build a new one which i then modify as needed. this way i can test new versions while keeping the old version pristine such that i can return to it; when the new version is stable, i switch entirely to it. (truth is, i've never had to go back much and certainly never for long.) there are those who would rather employ the elaborate recipes that purport to allow kde-1.x, kde-2.x, and kde-3.x stuff to run at once. these are imho highly questionable. also, i doubt that they work reliably. my brute-force method works every time. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
On Fri, 24 May 2002 05:28:57 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but of the various complaints against it -- and there certainly are some -- instability has never been one around here. -- dep Seems quite stable, but on my athlon1.4 it's slow to start apps, whereas xfce or icewm are instant on with most things. (unless they need to start some kde init) My favorite mode is to have both kde and gnome installed, but run the apps from xfce or icewm. (once I've used the kde or gnome menus enought to know what's available on each distro that I mess with) -- Ken M ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
On Fri, 24 May 2002 05:38:37 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: begin Roger Oberholtzer's quote: | I only encounter them when doing an upgrade. All this really dumb | confusion of /opt/kde vs. /opt/kde2, and $HOME/.kde vs. $HOME/.kde2 | and $KDEDIR vs. $KDEDIRS and Desktop vs. Desktop2. This is a big | part of what keeps screwing up the config files... | | In a kde2-only system, why are both needed? Is Caldera the only one | that has both sets of things? no, suse does some stuff with them which defies rational explanation. i suspect that part of the reason i've had great success with kde is that i do not try to do things with multiple versions on the same machine at the same time. that way lies madness. instead, i have three symlinks: /opt/kde, which points to whatever kde I do this as well. What makes this tricky on Caldera is that they have an /opt/kde and an /opt/kde2. When installing a new KDE in, say, /opt/kde3, which should point at it: /opt/kde (of course not) or /opt/kde2 ? If you redirect the distro's /opt/kde2 to your /opt/kde3, what to do with /opt/kde? I usually just let it be. But I think it, along with the KDEDIR/KDEDIRS duality, is a source of problems. Many programs want to use KDEDIR, which is not pointing to the distro. Only KDEDIRS does. Resulting in configuration inconsistencies. i'm using; /usr/lib/qt, which points to the qt appropriate to the kde in use; and ~/.kde, which points to my kde configuration files. when trying new versions, i change these symlinks to point to the new stuff, with ~/.kde being a copy of my old configuration files. if some application fails to work because of the guys didn't keep config file backward compatibility, i nuke it and let it build a new one which i then modify as needed. this way i can test new versions while keeping the old version pristine such that i can return to it; when the new version is stable, i switch entirely to it. (truth is, i've never had to go back much and certainly never for long.) there are those who would rather employ the elaborate recipes that purport to allow kde-1.x, kde-2.x, and kde-3.x stuff to run at once. these are imho highly questionable. also, i doubt that they work reliably. my brute-force method works every time. I go for the one at a time as well. I just think that it is harder to make it look like there is only one when there are two directories in /opt. -- ++===+ | Roger Oberholtzer | E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | OPQ Systems AB | WWW: http://www.opq.se/ | | Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 |Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 | | 115 32 Stockholm | Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 | | Sweden | Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 | ++===+ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
I guess it's stable most of the time. My setup is Caldera's KDE 2.2.1 on WS 3.1. Periodically KDE decides it won't run some apps (last night it was Mozilla) in that they exit when asked to run. Then it decides it won't run when you login and gives you no panel or just the grey X screen background. At that time you have to do the save ~./kde2, delete it, clear out /tmp and DCOP files, then restart KDE, copy back what you want and run for a while longer. I have a stock system - no mods. To me this doesn't fit the Linux stability concept. dep wrote: begin Brett I. Holcomb's quote: | That's what's so frustrating about KDE and why I'm abandoing it. | Kmail is an excellent mail program - handles mail lists well, | handles multiple accounts, good filtering - something others don't | do. Knode is a decent newsreader. However, KDE is an oinking pig. | It's a Window enviroment with the emphasis on WINDOWS! Windows | has blue screens of death - KDE just decides to quit working and | you have to remove all in /tmp, delete ~./kde2 (actually save it | somewhere, then delete it) and put all your apps back in it! And | like windows it does it at the most inopportune time. I'll be | checking out xfce and Gnome. you're right about its being untight code that requires more hardware than it ought to. but in constant use of kde on multiple machines here since 1.0, except for very early alphas i have *never* had it blow up on me. i do compile it myself, and i do pay attention to my hardware, and i suppose both of these might enter into it. but of the various complaints against it -- and there certainly are some -- instability has never been one around here. -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
Thanks. If I go with xfce I don't want any part of KDE around any more but if I run KDE apps I'll need it so I'll continue my search for apps. Ken Moffat wrote: On Thu, 23 May 2002 22:13:35 -0500 Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll be checking out xfce and Gnome. xfce is very fast, lightweight, and configurable, and will read your kde and gnome menus in to it's desktop user menu, accessible by mouse right click on the desktop. Has some nice features. -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
On Thu, 23 May 2002 01:42:22 -0400 Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 22 May 2002 09:54 pm, Net Llama! wrote: Keith Antoine wrote: On Thursday 23 May 2002 09:30, Tim Wunder wrote: Been running it for a week ;-) AND ? He's still waiting for KMail to start up ;) KMail is, by far, the best e-mail app I've ever used (and it loads fine on my Athlon 950 -- which used to be a fast machine...) , for it's filtering capabilities alone. But it's a small list, Netscape 4.7x, Eudora (under Windows), and Mozilla (since m14) Do try sylpheed. Nice filtering as well. Very straight forward install. -- ++===+ | Roger Oberholtzer | E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | OPQ Systems AB | WWW: http://www.opq.se/ | | Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 |Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 | | 115 32 Stockholm | Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 | | Sweden | Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 | ++===+ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
On Wed, 22 May 2002 22:50:36 -0700 (PDT) stayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2002 17:56:54 -0400 (EDT), Net Llama! wrote: Does it still suck? ;) I'm sure it still does. Users fall into two camps - the full desktop users (the environment does everything including slice bread) and the minimalists who don't need all the extra crap. Needless to say, I haven't regretted removing kde and gnome from my machine. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area - WWTLRD? gentoo(since 01/01/01) 2.4.18+(ext3) xfce-sylpheed-mozilla ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
That's what's so frustrating about KDE and why I'm abandoing it. Kmail is an excellent mail program - handles mail lists well, handles multiple accounts, good filtering - something others don't do. Knode is a decent newsreader. However, KDE is an oinking pig. It's a Window enviroment with the emphasis on WINDOWS! Windows has blue screens of death - KDE just decides to quit working and you have to remove all in /tmp, delete ~./kde2 (actually save it somewhere, then delete it) and put all your apps back in it! And like windows it does it at the most inopportune time. I'll be checking out xfce and Gnome. Tim Wunder wrote: On Wednesday 22 May 2002 09:54 pm, Net Llama! wrote: Keith Antoine wrote: On Thursday 23 May 2002 09:30, Tim Wunder wrote: Been running it for a week ;-) AND ? He's still waiting for KMail to start up ;) KMail is, by far, the best e-mail app I've ever used (and it loads fine on my Athlon 950 -- which used to be a fast machine...) , for it's filtering capabilities alone. But it's a small list, Netscape 4.7x, Eudora (under Windows), and Mozilla (since m14) -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
On Thu, 23 May 2002 22:13:35 -0500 Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll be checking out xfce and Gnome. xfce is very fast, lightweight, and configurable, and will read your kde and gnome menus in to it's desktop user menu, accessible by mouse right click on the desktop. Has some nice features. -- Ken M ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
On Friday 24 May 2002 13:13, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: That's what's so frustrating about KDE and why I'm abandoing it. Kmail is an excellent mail program - handles mail lists well, handles multiple accounts, good filtering - something others don't do. Knode is a decent newsreader. However, KDE is an oinking pig. It's a Window enviroment with the emphasis on WINDOWS! Windows has blue screens of death - KDE just decides to quit working and you have to remove all in /tmp, delete ~./kde2 (actually save it somewhere, then delete it) and put all your apps back in it! And like windows it does it at the most inopportune time. I'll be checking out xfce and Gnome. I have experienced non of the problems you talk about, however it maybe that with the hardware setup I have; both disk and memory space; I might just never see them beacuse of that fact. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
Does it still suck? ;) On Wed, 22 May 2002, Douglas J Hunley wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 on some of the mirrors... snarfing it now ;) -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
Been running it for a week ;-) On Wednesday 22 May 2002 05:49 pm, Douglas J Hunley wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 on some of the mirrors... snarfing it now ;) -- Caldera eWorkstation 3.1+, kernel 2.4.18-preempt, KDE 3.0.1, Xfree86 4.1.0 4:00pm up 1 day, 20:23, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 It's what you learn AFTER you know it all that counts ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
Keith Antoine wrote: On Thursday 23 May 2002 09:30, Tim Wunder wrote: Been running it for a week ;-) AND ? He's still waiting for KMail to start up ;) -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 6:50pm up 34 days, 1:43, 3 users, load average: 0.02, 0.10, 0.11 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: KDE 3.0.1 is out
On Wed, 22 May 2002 17:56:54 -0400 (EDT), Net Llama! wrote: Does it still suck? ;) ROFLMAO! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
