Re: SOT Office 2002 ?
On Mon, 6 May 2002 12:47:01 -0700 Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 07:53:52PM +0200, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: On Monday 06 May 2002 04:43, Collins wrote: I downloaded and installed it, but it appears to be OO or Star redux - same crappy install process, same overall look, so I trashed it, since I already have OO. What's so crappy about the SO/OO install process? I did quite a lot of installs on win resp. linux systems, and I wished all my installation adventures had been that harmless. It should have been ``rpm -U '' rpm... In my opinion, rpm is not very well suited to binary-only installation from a development system that does not keep the files in the places they will be installed. It is so obtuse in that way that we decided to do our own. How does RPM ask where things should be installed? How would rpm handle the initial -net versus initial user install of SO? If there are install options related to what components to install, how does rpm allow that? I ask because I did not see any way to do these things with rpm. Maybe the books and source we checked all left this aspect out. Still, our front end on our install does manipulate the rpm database so that dependencies and removal can be manipulated via the 'familiar' rpm/kpackage interface. We are just now sorting out adding individual files to the rpm database as part of the install process. That is, files that are not in an rpm file, but that have been generated for the package at install time and should be added to the rpm database for a package. -- ++===+ | Roger Oberholtzer | E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | OPQ Systems AB | WWW: http://www.opq.se/ | | Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 |Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 | | 115 32 Stockholm | Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 | | Sweden | Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 | ++===+ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: SOT Office 2002 ?
On Mon, 06 May 2002 21:54:23 -0500 Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins wrote: On Mon, 06 May 2002 16:21:59 -0500 Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well for one thing with OOoyou need a Green Hornet secret decoder ring to figure out how to install it. You have to use a /net and snipped What's so crappy about the SO/OO install process? I did quite a lot of installs on win resp. linux systems, and I wished all my installation adventures had been that harmless. Ditto. Plus it's a gui install - no possibility to configure using standard parameter settings (anyone ever heard of --prefix, for example). Since it's gui, you have to use xhost localhost if you want the secret decoder ring stuff. In short, it looks like your average Windoze install. Obviously, YMMV and MBIS (my bias is showing). I guess mine is too G. That's what's so frustrating about the OpenSource stuff - it wants to play with the big boys but when you ask about things like install instructions you get flamed! Whether we like it or not we aren't going to win sysadmins over when they suddenly have to spend hours on mailing lists and searching websites for something that should be included in the package - like a readme! Did Sun include their install manual in the OO source? If so, as it seems the same, I would imagine that should be updated as needed. It seems that the install options are the same. Just sone mew logos in the install screens. Ihe odd thing is, given that there is a GUI to install, why have command line options at all? It is inconsistent. A button to select net or user, for example, would fit the bill nicely. -- ++===+ | Roger Oberholtzer | E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | OPQ Systems AB | WWW: http://www.opq.se/ | | Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 |Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 | | 115 32 Stockholm | Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 | | Sweden | Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 | ++===+ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: SOT Office 2002 ?
On Tue, 7 May 2002 07:16:06 -0400 Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 07 May 2002 02:52 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: complaint snippage Have any of you entered a bug report at OpenOffice.org? Perhaps there are bug reports in existence requesting an improved install process, perhaps not. If not, entering one would certainly be more productive than bitching on this list. I suspect if someone took the time to contribute a README, they'd accept it. Find the bug (if not found, enter a bug) and submit the README. All of which is just my opinion... Which is what is happening. However, when suggesting a change, it is often interesting to muse and see what others may think. It could improve the quality of the bug report. Or feature request. Or whatever. Instead of just complaining half cocked. IMHO. (BTW, I was defending the SO/OO choice of not using RPM, which hardly warrants a bug report to them...) -- ++===+ | Roger Oberholtzer | E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | OPQ Systems AB | WWW: http://www.opq.se/ | | Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 |Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 | | 115 32 Stockholm | Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 | | Sweden | Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 | ++===+ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: SOT Office 2002 ?
On Monday 06 May 2002 04:43, Collins wrote: I downloaded and installed it, but it appears to be OO or Star redux - same crappy install process, same overall look, so I trashed it, since I already have OO. What's so crappy about the SO/OO install process? I did quite a lot of installs on win resp. linux systems, and I wished all my installation adventures had been that harmless. Klaus ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: SOT Office 2002 ?
On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 07:53:52PM +0200, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: On Monday 06 May 2002 04:43, Collins wrote: I downloaded and installed it, but it appears to be OO or Star redux - same crappy install process, same overall look, so I trashed it, since I already have OO. What's so crappy about the SO/OO install process? I did quite a lot of installs on win resp. linux systems, and I wished all my installation adventures had been that harmless. It should have been ``rpm -U '' Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.'' -- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: SOT Office 2002 ?
Well for one thing with OOoyou need a Green Hornet secret decoder ring to figure out how to install it. You have to use a /net and other options to get it to work but that's not in any readme or other docs that come with 641D binary OR source. I did remember from a distant time when I installed SO 5.2 that there were options - this after I did the OOo install and found it didn't work - but I didn't remember them. However, I never found anything on the web site and was stuck until someone on the OOo mailing list gave me an obscure URL that explained what to do. I haven't tried OOo 1.0 or whatever is the current version but maybe they do actually tell you how to install it now so you don't have to be psychic G. Things like this make rpm -Uvh or rpm -ivh more and more attractive. Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: On Monday 06 May 2002 04:43, Collins wrote: I downloaded and installed it, but it appears to be OO or Star redux - same crappy install process, same overall look, so I trashed it, since I already have OO. What's so crappy about the SO/OO install process? I did quite a lot of installs on win resp. linux systems, and I wished all my installation adventures had been that harmless. Klaus -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: SOT Office 2002 ?
Collins wrote: On Mon, 06 May 2002 16:21:59 -0500 Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well for one thing with OOoyou need a Green Hornet secret decoder ring to figure out how to install it. You have to use a /net and snipped What's so crappy about the SO/OO install process? I did quite a lot of installs on win resp. linux systems, and I wished all my installation adventures had been that harmless. Ditto. Plus it's a gui install - no possibility to configure using standard parameter settings (anyone ever heard of --prefix, for example). Since it's gui, you have to use xhost localhost if you want the secret decoder ring stuff. In short, it looks like your average Windoze install. Obviously, YMMV and MBIS (my bias is showing). I guess mine is too G. That's what's so frustrating about the OpenSource stuff - it wants to play with the big boys but when you ask about things like install instructions you get flamed! Whether we like it or not we aren't going to win sysadmins over when they suddenly have to spend hours on mailing lists and searching websites for something that should be included in the package - like a readme! -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: SOT Office 2002 ?
It hasn't changed. I only remembered because it has been brought up on this list so many times. Of course this type of info should be in the readme. Also how to open the other included apps should be in there as well. Poor documentation won't win anyone over, esp Windows users. Marianne Taylor On May 6, 2002 02:21 pm, you wrote: Well for one thing with OOoyou need a Green Hornet secret decoder ring to figure out how to install it. You have to use a /net and other options to get it to work but that's not in any readme or other docs that come with 641D binary OR source. I did remember from a distant time when I installed SO 5.2 that there were options - this after I did the OOo install and found it didn't work - but I didn't remember them. However, I never found anything on the web site and was stuck until someone on the OOo mailing list gave me an obscure URL that explained what to do. I haven't tried OOo 1.0 or whatever is the current version but maybe they do actually tell you how to install it now so you don't have to be psychic G. Things like this make rpm -Uvh or rpm -ivh more and more attractive. Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: On Monday 06 May 2002 04:43, Collins wrote: I downloaded and installed it, but it appears to be OO or Star redux - same crappy install process, same overall look, so I trashed it, since I already have OO. What's so crappy about the SO/OO install process? I did quite a lot of installs on win resp. linux systems, and I wished all my installation adventures had been that harmless. Klaus -- Marianne Taylor ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
SOT Office 2002 ?
Partly based on OpenOffice.org, SOT Office 2002 is the only office application you'll ever need http://www.sot.com/en/linux/soto/ Your advices please. Thanks Patrick ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: SOT Office 2002 ?
On Sun, 5 May 2002 23:15:45 +0200 (CEST) patrick Kapturkiewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Partly based on OpenOffice.org, SOT Office 2002 is the only office application you'll ever need http://www.sot.com/en/linux/soto/ I downloaded and installed it, but it appears to be OO or Star redux - same crappy install process, same overall look, so I trashed it, since I already have OO. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area - WWTLRD? gentoo(since 01/01/01) 2.4.19+(ext3) xfce-sylpheed-mozilla ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
