Re: More on UnitedLinux and licensing
begin Shawn L Johnston's quote: | New article on The Register | | http://theregister.co.uk/content/4/25587.html SuSE powered by OpenLinux? -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: More on UnitedLinux and licensing
On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, dep wrote: begin Shawn L Johnston's quote: | New article on The Register | | http://theregister.co.uk/content/4/25587.html SuSE powered by OpenLinux? That has to be a typo. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: more on unitedlinux
On Fri, 31 May 2002, dep wrote: begin Burns MacDonald's quote: | Their licensing stance sounds rather ominous and smacks of Ransom | Love (the friend of Open Source - not!). first, did you know that your machine is telling the world that it is july 26? second, rms has weighed in: http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=83 he sounds just a tad cranky about it all. When, in his long career, has he *not* sounded cranky about something that didn't have his blessing? -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: more on unitedlinux
On Fri, 31 May 2002, Kurt Wall wrote: Yes, quite. The Web site is definitely Caldera's. The registration for unitedlinux.com makes it pretty clear that this is primarily the latest Caldera-inspired abortion: $ whois unitedlinux.com [noise deleted] Registrant: unitedlinux.com PO BOX 711132 SALT LAKE CITY, UT 84171-1132 US Domain Name: UNITEDLINUX.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: unitedlinux.com KYLE KNOWLES PO BOX 711132 SALT LAKE CITY, UT 84171-1132 US 801.918.3223 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Domain created on 02-Mar-2001 WTF?? They've been plotting this for over a year? Actually, that explains why Caldera has largely not given a damn about OpenLinux for roughly that long. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: more on unitedlinux
On Fri, 31 May 2002 09:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 31 May 2002, Kurt Wall wrote: Yes, quite. The Web site is definitely Caldera's. The registration for unitedlinux.com makes it pretty clear that this is primarily the latest Caldera-inspired abortion: Um, I meant to say this latest abortion is primarily Caldera-inspired... $ whois unitedlinux.com [noise deleted] Registrant: unitedlinux.com PO BOX 711132 SALT LAKE CITY, UT 84171-1132 US Domain Name: UNITEDLINUX.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: unitedlinux.com KYLE KNOWLES PO BOX 711132 SALT LAKE CITY, UT 84171-1132 US 801.918.3223 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Domain created on 02-Mar-2001 WTF?? They've been plotting this for over a year? Actually, that explains why Caldera has largely not given a damn about OpenLinux for roughly that long. I hadn't thought of that. It could also be that they just registered a slew of domain names, or transferred them. Kurt -- Your lucky number has been disconnected. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: more on unitedlinux
On Friday 31 May 2002 06:55, dep wrote: first, did you know that your machine is telling the world that it is july 26? Ooops, brand new install of SuSE 8.0 Pro two days ago - forgot to set date. Thanks. second, rms has weighed in: http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=83 he sounds just a tad cranky about it all. I'm not surprised and, on this one, I tend to agree with him (Agree with RMS!!?? Cripes, did I say that??!!) Ransom pulled the same stunt with OpenLinux and SCO-Linux and has been in the doghouse with the Linux development community (and most of their industry partners) ever since. Now he's leading the rest of the distros into the same tar pit. I've met Ransom - I thought he had more on the ball than this. And SuSE... they have been getting rave reviews for their last couple of releases and they have a very solid business/industry clientele in Europe. I know they were having to make some financial adjustments a couple of years ago, but since then they have had a number of successes. Why would they throw themselves off this cliff with Ransom? -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: more on unitedlinux
On Fri, 31 May 2002 1Burns MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 31 May 2002 06:55, dep wrote: http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=83 he sounds just a tad cranky about it all. I'm not surprised and, on this one, I tend to agree with him (Agree with RMS!!?? Cripes, did I say that??!!) I agreed with RMS, too, and thought the same thing. It's a darned rare day when I agree with RMS or he with me. Ransom pulled the same stunt with OpenLinux and SCO-Linux and has been in the doghouse with the Linux development community (and most of their industry partners) ever since. Now he's leading the rest of the distros into the same tar pit. I've met Ransom - I thought he had more on the ball than this. And SuSE... they have been getting rave reviews for their last couple of releases and they have a very solid business/industry clientele in Europe. I know they were having to make some financial adjustments a couple of years ago, but since then they have had a number of successes. Why would they throw themselves off this cliff with Ransom? Go figger. Kurt -- Your lucky number has been disconnected. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: more on unitedlinux
Wow, talk about rushing it out the door: 1) In the PPT presentation, they claim that an alpha will come out in Q3/02, yet on the website, they say it will be Q2/02 2) In the PDF 'whitepaper' on page 8, check out the FIXME commments that should have been removed prior to release. I especially like the (FIXME: waiting Olive's text) comment. snicker more fine work from Caldera's marketing dept, no doubt. On Thu, 30 May 2002, Net Llama! wrote: Feh. Talk about making a big deal out of *nothing*: Oo...look at us, we've got a LSB compliant distro! That makes us neato stuff. Now you will buy from us instead of Redhat! We are 133t! What a complete non-event if i ever saw one. On Thu, 30 May 2002, dep wrote: http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=81 -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: more on unitedlinux
Greetings, On Thu, 30 May 2002, Net Llama! wrote: Feh. Talk about making a big deal out of *nothing*: Oo...look at us, we've got a LSB compliant distro! That makes us neato stuff. Now you will buy from us instead of Redhat! We are 133t! What a complete non-event if i ever saw one. Don't lose sight of what has been a stumbling block for Linux attracting commercial software vendors. The fact that there has never been a stable/standard fielsystem structure for the commercial software houses to build against. Who wants to write a terriffic shoot-em-up video game and then have to port it to 10 different distros and a constantly changing lib structure? Perhaps now, with a consistant LSB, Linux will attract more commercial software vendors to port their applications to (i.e. TurboTax, etc.). We can only hope... --- Jay Those that sacrifice essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Ben Franklin (1759) ++ | Jay Nugent [EMAIL PROTECTED](734)971-1076(734)971-4529/Fax| | Nugent Telecommunications [www.nuge.com] (734)649-0850/Cell | | Internet Consulting/Linux SysAdmin/Engineering Design/ISP Reseller | | ISP Monitoring [www.ispmonitor.net] ISP Modem Performance Monitoring | | Web-Pegasus[www.webpegasus.com] Web Hosting/DNS Hosting/Shell Accts| | LinuxNIC, Inc. [www.linuxnic.net] Registrar of the .linux TLD| ++ 10:01am up 118 days, 23:39, 11 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: more on unitedlinux
Jay Nugent wrote: Don't lose sight of what has been a stumbling block for Linux attracting commercial software vendors. The fact that there has never been a stable/standard fielsystem structure for the commercial software houses to build against. Who wants to write a terriffic shoot-em-up video game and then have to port it to 10 different distros and a constantly changing lib structure? Perhaps now, with a consistant LSB, Linux will attract more commercial software vendors to port their applications to (i.e. TurboTax, etc.). We can only hope... Jay sees through the chaff. In other words, unitedlinux (Unux?) aims to achieve what Debian has had for years. -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 1.9.1 Debian Linux System 5151 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: more on unitedlinux
Net Llama! wrote: Wow, talk about rushing it out the door: 1) In the PPT presentation, they claim that an alpha will come out in Q3/02, yet on the website, they say it will be Q2/02 2) In the PDF 'whitepaper' on page 8, check out the FIXME commments that should have been removed prior to release. I especially like the (FIXME: waiting Olive's text) comment. snicker more fine work from Caldera's marketing dept, no doubt. Snip Kinda like all the predictions that Caldera made about what quarter they expected to make a profit in before they self destructed. Now there are three more Linux companies going down the same road; concentrate on the business community let the desktop users use M$, we're too busy to come up with a decent desktop that may sell our product. No wonder Mandrake and RH are knocking the socks off of them. Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: more on unitedlinux
Net Llama! wrote: BTW, in realizing their gross incompetance in posting that technical whitepaper they pulled it from the site. Unfortunately, for them, i've archived the original: http://linux-sxs.org/~netllama/unitedlinuxwhitepaper.pdf Read it and laugh, and then cry. Please take us seriously, even though we're 'always confused with NIS' and watch us 'Write something about how serious we are, and why big customers should go for it' snicker snip I sure hope it's not the final version. Take a look at the file system types listed. ext2, ext3, reiser and jfs. They support efs but not xfs in other file systems? Jesus, efs hasn't been used since IRIX 5.2! -- Andrew Mathews --- andy.nmcourts.com Thursday May 30 2002 10:08:00 MDT --- 26. Why did it say '/bin/rm: not found'? --Top 100 things you don't want the sysadmin to say ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: more on unitedlinux
On Thu, 30 May 2002 10:10:02 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=81 Hell's bells! Says SuSE, the basic functionality like a desktop will be there. Au contraire, quoth Caldera, Love stressed that there will be no desktop 'UnitedLinux.' End users, consider yourself irrelevant, because 'UnitedLinux' is enterprise only. UnitedLinux don't need no steenking desktop users. So, Kurt's 2-bit summary: There's nothing here but smoke and mirrors, folks. Move along, move along. Nothing to see here. It's nothing but marketing and cost reduction; pity the poor souls still employed by one of the four companies -- more pink slips are in the works. Caldera's last round of layoffs included the office of the CTO. They still didn't aim high enough in the food chain... Fucking morons. Kurt -- Your lucky number has been disconnected. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: more on unitedlinux
On Thursday 30 May 2002 16:19, Net Llama! wrote: As he put it i hope that the engineering is far better than the contents of this paper. Criptography... shit! The format and layout looks suspiciously like a Caldera white papaer - Kurt, do you agree? Their licensing stance sounds rather ominous and smacks of Ransom Love (the friend of Open Source - not!). -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
