Re: what are you doing about the ORBS mess?
Douglas J. Hunley offered this little gem: % I finally landed a new job and have been really busy this week. I just got Congrats! % caught up (kinda) and am at a loss about the ORBS thing. My current % sendmail.cf uses blackholes.mail-abuse.org for it's DNS spam blocking. Should % I swith that to or.orbl.org? What have you guys done about it? % Please don't chime in w/ you shouldn't do that. it censorship or any of % that other crap. If that's what you want to talk about, go to /. % I have sites to run and policies to follow. Thanks opinion ORBS have effectively shot themselves in the head. In any event, while I agree that DNS-based spam blocking is effective, I think it a blunt tool that hurts innocent users who've no idea what their ISPs are doing. What really pisses me off, though, is the ORBS random tests - they tested my mailserver once, discovered no open relay, but came back again two days later anyway. ORBS were blocked at my firewall thereafter until I took my server down when I moved. They stay on my personal shit list until I get a personal letter apologizing for attacking my server. /opinion I know little about MAPS, so, for once, I have no opinion. ;-) Kurt ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
what are you doing about the ORBS mess?
I finally landed a new job and have been really busy this week. I just got caught up (kinda) and am at a loss about the ORBS thing. My current sendmail.cf uses blackholes.mail-abuse.org for it's DNS spam blocking. Should I swith that to or.orbl.org? What have you guys done about it? Please don't chime in w/ you shouldn't do that. it censorship or any of that other crap. If that's what you want to talk about, go to /. I have sites to run and policies to follow. Thanks -- Douglas J. Hunley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Linux User #174778 Admin: http://hunley.homeip.net/Admin: http://linux.nf/ Brainbench Linux Administration Certified ~~ Now offering Linux admin services for the home user ~~ The only difference between a rut and a grave is their dimensions. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: what are you doing about the ORBS mess?
Douglas J. Hunley wrote: I finally landed a new job and have been really busy this week. I just got caught up (kinda) and am at a loss about the ORBS thing. My current sendmail.cf uses blackholes.mail-abuse.org for it's DNS spam blocking. Should I swith that to or.orbl.org? What have you guys done about it? Please don't chime in w/ you shouldn't do that. it censorship or any of that other crap. If that's what you want to talk about, go to /. I have sites to run and policies to follow. Thanks -- Douglas J. Hunley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Linux User #174778 Admin: http://hunley.homeip.net/Admin: http://linux.nf/ Brainbench Linux Administration Certified ~~ Now offering Linux admin services for the home user ~~ The only difference between a rut and a grave is their dimensions. ___ Check out: http://www.e-scrub.com/orbs/ I'd think seriously about someone else. The current situation with ORBS is being actively discussed on the vger.kernel.org list. Seems to be a bit of difference of opinion. See the snippet below from a message quoting Alan Cox. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan Cox) wrote on 14.07.01 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.e-scrub.com/orbs/ is the key. Ronald F. Guilmette [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this message to spam lists. Anybody still using ORBS for lookups can expect to get random mail bounces. Yeah he's decided to solve his load problem by committing an act of criminal fraud, computer misuse and a few other violations What are you smoking? The DNS requests are happening against his express wishes, so if anything, the *requests* are computer misuse. Alan's NS entries pointing people there definitely are. It's not Ronald who's telling people his server is authoritative; in fact, he's doing just the opposite, loudly. Because of the way Alan disabled the former ORBS list zones, my name server is now shouldering (at least) 1/11th of the total world-wide [I think he means the way the courts did..] I don't. He's talking about technical changes, not about legal reasons. And guess what, as soon as ORBS got beaten off the net MAPS starts talking about charging for their service, just like they promised they never would How about starting a true free project, with charter and/or licensing that makes it impossible to go non-free? Something that's controlled by more than one person, and which is explicit about what exactly the rules are, and which part of those rules are responsible for particular entry. MfG Kai - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-admin in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Andrew Mathews 10:30am up 10 days, 13:54, 5 users, load average: 1.08, 1.06, 1.05 I despise the pleasure of pleasing people whom I despise. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: what are you doing about the ORBS mess?
On Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 10:59:03AM -0400, Douglas J. Hunley wrote: I finally landed a new job and have been really busy this week. I just got caught up (kinda) and am at a loss about the ORBS thing. My current sendmail.cf uses blackholes.mail-abuse.org for it's DNS spam blocking. Should I swith that to or.orbl.org? What have you guys done about it? Please don't chime in w/ you shouldn't do that. it censorship or any of that other crap. If that's what you want to talk about, go to /. I have sites to run and policies to follow. Thanks ORBS is semi-dead, and the people running the old DNS servers don't appear to be too happy about the number of queries. I just saw a note on an ISP list that they've got one server returning positive for any IP address queried. We haven't used ORBS for several years because I consider their testing of sites that haven't sent spam to be a form of network abuse, similar to port scanning. MAPS is going away from their free service to a pay since they've got huge expenses (mostly legal bills), and the individuals who've been financing this out of their own pockets aren't going to continue. I gather that they will still give free service to individuals and hobby type users. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Good luck to all you optimists out there who think Microsoft can deliver 35 million lines of quality code on which you can operate your business.'' -- John C. Dvorak ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: what are you doing about the ORBS mess?
--- Douglas J. Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I finally landed a new job and have been really busy this week. I just Congratulations! Mind if i ask where, and doing what? got caught up (kinda) and am at a loss about the ORBS thing. My current sendmail.cf uses blackholes.mail-abuse.org for it's DNS spam blocking. Should I swith that to or.orbl.org? What have you guys done about it? Please don't chime in w/ you shouldn't do that. it censorship or any of that other crap. If that's what you want to talk about, go to /. I have sites to run and policies to follow. Thanks Well, i'm not a mail admin, so i'm not really qualified to answer this. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux FAQ Step-by-step help:http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: what are you doing about the ORBS mess? OT
On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:22:22 -0400 Douglas J. Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: It's a UNIX Admin position with a company called Careworks Technologies. The actual assignment is being the admin for the entire Ohio Department of Jobs and Family Services network (unemploment, child services, etc). Pretty cool so far. == Good Luck, Douglas! Sounds as if you'll be doing good work also. Mike -- Many loads of beer were brought. What disorder, whoring, fighting, killing, and dreadful idolatry took place there. Baltasar Rusow, Estonia, mid 16th Century ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: what are you doing about the ORBS mess?
On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:22:22 -0400, Douglas J. Hunley wrote: It's a UNIX Admin position with a company called Careworks Technologies. The actual assignment is being the admin for the entire Ohio Department of Jobs and Family Services network (unemploment, child services, etc). Pretty cool so far. Wow Doug, Congradulations! stayler ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
TIDRe: what are you doing about the ORBS mess?
On Sunday 15 July 2001 17:32, Shawn Tayler babbled: Wow Doug, Congradulations! thanks! -- Douglas J. Hunley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Linux User #174778 Admin: http://hunley.homeip.net/Admin: http://linux.nf/ Brainbench Linux Administration Certified ~~ Now offering Linux admin services for the home user ~~ My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
