Re: [Linux-users] Can linux boot even when windows can not?

[Kent Fredric]

On 18 February 2016 at 10:38, Volker Kuhlmann  wrote:
>
> Awkward!! Don't borrow RAM, only swap around what you have. Memory
> faults can be awkward to find, especially when they're sporadic.


It was more a question of a fast fault find.

In the event that the problem was *not* your specific dimms messing
you up and it was some problem with the motherboard not working under
certain load patterns with that exact amount of memory, or your OS
drawing  a certain voltage with that many dimms installed that caused
problems due to a bad powersupply... the idea was _if_ you could
replicate the situation identically with an entirely different set of
ram, then you know the problem is not the ram.

Similarly, if you can replicate the problem with a different
powersupply, its not the power supply.

( And you'd be amazed how many weird problems can appear from weak
powersupplies )

I'd also consider ripping out the hard drive and booting it in an
entirely different machine just to see if windows fails at the same
points in the same ways or not.

And it could very well be that its not "windows", just some way
windows utilizes hardware makes the problem appear faster than it does
with Linux.

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Re: [Linux-users] Can linux boot even when windows can not?

[Volker Kuhlmann]

On Wed 17 Feb 2016 21:44:03 NZDT +1300, Peter Simmonds wrote:

> drive and kept going as it was! Booting is not an exception really,
> it has far better programming to enable it to recover from what may
> be slightly mashed up partitioning.

Keep in mind that BillyFS(TM) was designed with the braindead idea of
storing the start position of the filesystem relative to the start of
the disk(!!!) in the filesystem header. If you dd the partition to a new
disk with a partition later on, because you enlarged the previous
partition, Billy no longer knows about it...

I have once successfuly injected new doctored bytes with dd, but it's
not worth the trouble. Just tell the boss you need to buy a new doze
box, preinstalled...

In answer to $SUBJECT, yes, in numerous ways, but I'm not sure they
apply in the case here.

Volker

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Re: [Linux-users] Can linux boot even when windows can not?

[Kent Fredric]

On 17 February 2016 at 22:18,   wrote:
> I doubt it is the hard drives as boots fine 7 and 10 if I just use 2x2 gigs
> ram in same slots,


Did you try swapping the order of your ram cards? That can alleviate
certain kinds of "Loaded into fixed address that happened to be
broken" problems.

And see if you can borrow some friends ram of the same size and try it
independently.

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Re: [Linux-users] Can linux boot even when windows can not?

[j . visch]

 

I doubt it is the hard drives as boots fine 7 and 10 if I just use
2x2 gigs ram in same slots, I suspect the computer repair store will
blame the hard drive configuration as I admit not ideal as 250g ssd
drive with boot and windows 7 C partition, with I partition pointing to
partition on 3tb drive (GPT formatted) and windows 10 on another 4tb
hard drive formatted mbr so only able to use first 2tb. I am waiting
until I need to replace motherboard and cpu before bothering fixing up
harddrives as motherboard won't boot from gpt formatting. 

Done some
stress testing on Linux boot and once I got towards 4tb appeared to have
issues with window manager as looked like it crashed, so I am guessing
problem is either motherboard or ram. 

On 17.02.2016 21:44, Peter
Simmonds wrote: 

> Hi All,
> 
> How did you actually go about moving
windows to the new drive, and if 
> win 7 or later, did you copy both
partitions? If you don't mind, what 
> did you use to copy these
partitions?
> 
> In the past I have successfully used Clonezilla and
Redo Backup to copy 
> windows partitions and keep them working. Both of
these are linux live 
> CD's which you boot from.
> 
> Regarding booting
I can only give general advice; Linux is much more 
> fault tolerant
than windows, in other words, when anything minor goes 
> wrong with
windows it simply crashes. With linux, I have actually 
> plugged in a
CDrom with the system on, hard drive spun down then spun up 
> (crashed)
and linux simply sent a reset command to the drive and kept 
> going as
it was! Booting is not an exception really, it has far better 
>
programming to enable it to recover from what may be slightly mashed up

> partitioning.
> 
> Hope This helps!
> 
> Peter
> 
> On 17/02/2016
19:55, dave wrote:
> 
>> Me thinks that it's the header info that can be
seen when responder asks the question about safebooting in windows.
that's about all i can think of. dave On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:03:02 Kent
Fredric wrote: 
>> 
>>> On 17 February 2016 at 12:13, Barry
 wrote: 
>>> 
 Please do not hijack an
unrelated thread, start a new one.
>>> Care to explain which thread was
hijacked? All the context I have is: - Person wonders why linux can boot
and windows cannot - Second person asks first person if windows safemode
boots And that seems entirely reasonable to me. ( Though perhaps
different mail clients format it differently, I'm using GMail )
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Re: [Linux-users] Can linux boot even when windows can not?

[Robert Fisher]

Peter I think you missed the point of the first post. It was the RAM which
was upgraded not the hard drives.

Robert Fisher
On 17 Feb 2016 9:44 p.m., "Peter Simmonds" 
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> How did you actually go about moving windows to the new drive, and if win
> 7 or later, did you copy both partitions? If you don't mind, what did you
> use to copy these partitions?
>
> In the past I have successfully used Clonezilla and Redo Backup to copy
> windows partitions and keep them working. Both of these are linux live CD's
> which you boot from.
>
> Regarding booting I can only give general advice; Linux is much more fault
> tolerant than windows, in other words, when anything minor goes wrong with
> windows it simply crashes. With linux, I have actually plugged in a CDrom
> with the system on, hard drive spun down then spun up (crashed) and linux
> simply sent a reset command to the drive and kept going as it was! Booting
> is not an exception really, it has far better programming to enable it to
> recover from what may be slightly mashed up partitioning.
>
> Hope This helps!
>
> Peter
>
> On 17/02/2016 19:55, dave wrote:
>
>> Me thinks that it's the header info that can be seen when responder asks
>> the
>> question about safebooting in windows.
>>
>> that's about all i can think of.
>>
>> dave
>>
>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:03:02 Kent Fredric wrote:
>>
>>> On 17 February 2016 at 12:13, Barry  wrote:
>>>
 Please do not hijack an unrelated thread, start a new one.

>>> Care to explain which thread was hijacked?
>>>
>>> All the context I have is:
>>>
>>> - Person wonders why linux can boot and windows cannot
>>> - Second person asks first person if windows safemode boots
>>>
>>> And that seems entirely reasonable to me. ( Though perhaps different
>>> mail clients format it differently, I'm using GMail )
>>>
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Re: [Linux-users] Can linux boot even when windows can not?

[Peter Simmonds]

Hi All,

How did you actually go about moving windows to the new drive, and if 
win 7 or later, did you copy both partitions? If you don't mind, what 
did you use to copy these partitions?


In the past I have successfully used Clonezilla and Redo Backup to copy 
windows partitions and keep them working. Both of these are linux live 
CD's which you boot from.


Regarding booting I can only give general advice; Linux is much more 
fault tolerant than windows, in other words, when anything minor goes 
wrong with windows it simply crashes. With linux, I have actually 
plugged in a CDrom with the system on, hard drive spun down then spun up 
(crashed) and linux simply sent a reset command to the drive and kept 
going as it was! Booting is not an exception really, it has far better 
programming to enable it to recover from what may be slightly mashed up 
partitioning.


Hope This helps!

Peter

On 17/02/2016 19:55, dave wrote:

Me thinks that it's the header info that can be seen when responder asks the
question about safebooting in windows.

that's about all i can think of.

dave

On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:03:02 Kent Fredric wrote:

On 17 February 2016 at 12:13, Barry  wrote:

Please do not hijack an unrelated thread, start a new one.

Care to explain which thread was hijacked?

All the context I have is:

- Person wonders why linux can boot and windows cannot
- Second person asks first person if windows safemode boots

And that seems entirely reasonable to me. ( Though perhaps different
mail clients format it differently, I'm using GMail )

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