Re: [PATCH] wireless-regdb: Update rules for Australia (AU) and add 60GHz rules

[Seth Forshee]

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 06:58:45AM +0100, Johannes Berg wrote:
> 
> > The frequency ranges have been "rounded down" to conform with the
> > apparent convention of only including ranges used by standard 802.11
> > channels, rather than using the actual frequency ranges as has been
> > done for some countries (and most 60GHz rules). My preference is the
> > latter so that there is a clear correlation between the regdb and
> > relevant documentation, and so that the regdb may become useful
> > beyond 802.11. With your blessing as maintainer I will also make this
> > change to the patch.
> 
> I think that's just an artifact of the original database source and
> would also prefer the documented ranges to be used.

Yes, I prefer the documented ranges as well.

Thanks,
Seth

Re: [PATCH] wireless-regdb: Update rules for Australia (AU) and add 60GHz rules

[Johannes Berg]

> The frequency ranges have been "rounded down" to conform with the
> apparent convention of only including ranges used by standard 802.11
> channels, rather than using the actual frequency ranges as has been
> done for some countries (and most 60GHz rules). My preference is the
> latter so that there is a clear correlation between the regdb and
> relevant documentation, and so that the regdb may become useful
> beyond 802.11. With your blessing as maintainer I will also make this
> change to the patch.

I think that's just an artifact of the original database source and
would also prefer the documented ranges to be used.

johannes

Re: [PATCH] wireless-regdb: Update rules for Australia (AU) and add 60GHz rules

[Ryan Mounce]

On 23 February 2017 at 08:00, Seth Forshee  wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 05:05:15PM +1030, Ryan Mounce wrote:
>> Sourced from the latest legislation at
>> https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2016C0043
>
> This link isn't working for me.

Oops, I truncated that URL. Working link (also in the patch itself):
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2016C00432

>> The current rules exceed legal limits between 5250-5330MHz, and permit
>> illegal operation in 5600-5650MHz (reserved for weather radar).
>
> The changes also increases the limits for most other ranges, by quite a
> bit in some cases. Seems that this should also be mentioned in the
> changelog, and I'd like to be able to check those changes against the
> documentation.

All of the updated power limits are converted to dBm but otherwise
straight out of the document, so they shouldn't be a problem. I'll
update the changelog to note this.

The frequency ranges have been "rounded down" to conform with the
apparent convention of only including ranges used by standard 802.11
channels, rather than using the actual frequency ranges as has been
done for some countries (and most 60GHz rules). My preference is the
latter so that there is a clear correlation between the regdb and
relevant documentation, and so that the regdb may become useful beyond
802.11. With your blessing as maintainer I will also make this change
to the patch.

Regards,
Ryan Mounce

> Thanks,
> Seth
>
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Ryan Mounce 
>> ---
>>  db.txt | 15 ++-
>>  1 file changed, 10 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
>>
>> diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
>> index 05108e0..b951e0c 100644
>> --- a/db.txt
>> +++ b/db.txt
>> @@ -85,12 +85,17 @@ country AT: DFS-ETSI
>>   # 60 GHz band channels 1-4, ref: Etsi En 302 567
>>   (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40)
>>
>> +# Source:
>> +# https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2016C00432
>> +# Both DFS-ETSI and DFS-FCC are acceptable per AS/NZS 4268 Appendix B
>>  country AU: DFS-ETSI
>> - (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (20)
>> - (5170 - 5250 @ 80), (17), AUTO-BW
>> - (5250 - 5330 @ 80), (24), DFS, AUTO-BW
>> - (5490 - 5710 @ 160), (24), DFS
>> - (5735 - 5835 @ 80), (30)
>> + (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (36)
>> + (5170 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW
>> + (5250 - 5330 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, DFS
>> + (5490 - 5590 @ 80), (30), DFS
>> + (5650 - 5730 @ 80), (30), DFS
>> + (5735 - 5835 @ 80), (36)
>> + (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (43), NO-OUTDOOR
>>
>>  country AW: DFS-ETSI
>>   (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (20)
>> --
>> 2.11.0
>>

Re: [PATCH] wireless-regdb: Update rules for Australia (AU) and add 60GHz rules

[Seth Forshee]

On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 05:05:15PM +1030, Ryan Mounce wrote:
> Sourced from the latest legislation at
> https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2016C0043

This link isn't working for me.

> The current rules exceed legal limits between 5250-5330MHz, and permit
> illegal operation in 5600-5650MHz (reserved for weather radar).

The changes also increases the limits for most other ranges, by quite a
bit in some cases. Seems that this should also be mentioned in the
changelog, and I'd like to be able to check those changes against the
documentation.

Thanks,
Seth

> 
> Signed-off-by: Ryan Mounce 
> ---
>  db.txt | 15 ++-
>  1 file changed, 10 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
> index 05108e0..b951e0c 100644
> --- a/db.txt
> +++ b/db.txt
> @@ -85,12 +85,17 @@ country AT: DFS-ETSI
>   # 60 GHz band channels 1-4, ref: Etsi En 302 567
>   (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40)
>  
> +# Source:
> +# https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2016C00432
> +# Both DFS-ETSI and DFS-FCC are acceptable per AS/NZS 4268 Appendix B
>  country AU: DFS-ETSI
> - (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (20)
> - (5170 - 5250 @ 80), (17), AUTO-BW
> - (5250 - 5330 @ 80), (24), DFS, AUTO-BW
> - (5490 - 5710 @ 160), (24), DFS
> - (5735 - 5835 @ 80), (30)
> + (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (36)
> + (5170 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW
> + (5250 - 5330 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, DFS
> + (5490 - 5590 @ 80), (30), DFS
> + (5650 - 5730 @ 80), (30), DFS
> + (5735 - 5835 @ 80), (36)
> + (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (43), NO-OUTDOOR
>  
>  country AW: DFS-ETSI
>   (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (20)
> -- 
> 2.11.0
> 

Re: [PATCH] wireless-regdb: Update rules for Australia (AU) and add 60GHz rules

[Ryan Mounce]

Australian regulations differ from most of Europe, the USA and even
New Zealand (which shares AS/NZS 4268) in that any unlicensed
operation between 5600-5650MHz is prohibited outright, rather than
being allowed after an extended DFS channel availability check.

The situation appears to be similar in Canada, the regdb has
previously been amended to reflect this.

https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/sforshee/wireless-regdb.git/commit/db.txt?id=ce7697d3def48f87427b3a3c285b46241af3b79d

On 19 February 2017 at 22:46, Sebastian Gottschall
 wrote:
> Am 19.02.2017 um 01:01 schrieb Ryan Mounce:
>>
>> Hi Sebastian,
>>
>> There is no explicit channel width restriction in the document,
>> however the only band in which the current regdb rules permit 160MHz
>> operation (5490-5710MHz) would result in an overlap with the
>> restricted weather radar band 5600-5650MHz.
>
> thats the case for all countries, so this couldnt be a argument. dfs should
> handle this
>
>>
>> While remaining in compliance with both 802.11 and Australian law,
>> contiguous 160MHz operation in 5GHz is only permitted between
>> 5170-5330MHz which spans two bands with slightly different
>> requirements, hence AUTO-BW.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ryan Mounce
>>
>> r...@mounce.com.au
>>
>> On 19 February 2017 at 07:15, Sebastian Gottschall
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> maybe i'm blind. but you reduced the channel width from 160 to 80 mhz.
>>> but i
>>> can't find any restriction in the document in a quick review
>>>
>>> Sebastian
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 18.02.2017 um 07:35 schrieb Ryan Mounce:

 Sourced from the latest legislation at
 https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2016C0043

 The current rules exceed legal limits between 5250-5330MHz, and permit
 illegal operation in 5600-5650MHz (reserved for weather radar).

 Signed-off-by: Ryan Mounce 
 ---
db.txt | 15 ++-
1 file changed, 10 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)

 diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
 index 05108e0..b951e0c 100644
 --- a/db.txt
 +++ b/db.txt
 @@ -85,12 +85,17 @@ country AT: DFS-ETSI
  # 60 GHz band channels 1-4, ref: Etsi En 302 567
  (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40)
+# Source:
 +# https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2016C00432
 +# Both DFS-ETSI and DFS-FCC are acceptable per AS/NZS 4268 Appendix B
country AU: DFS-ETSI
 -   (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (20)
 -   (5170 - 5250 @ 80), (17), AUTO-BW
 -   (5250 - 5330 @ 80), (24), DFS, AUTO-BW
 -   (5490 - 5710 @ 160), (24), DFS
 -   (5735 - 5835 @ 80), (30)
 +   (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (36)
 +   (5170 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW
 +   (5250 - 5330 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, DFS
 +   (5490 - 5590 @ 80), (30), DFS
 +   (5650 - 5730 @ 80), (30), DFS
 +   (5735 - 5835 @ 80), (36)
 +   (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (43), NO-OUTDOOR
  country AW: DFS-ETSI
  (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (20)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mit freundlichen Grüssen / Regards
>>>
>>> Sebastian Gottschall / CTO
>>>
>>> NewMedia-NET GmbH - DD-WRT
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>>> Registergericht: Amtsgericht Darmstadt, HRB 25473
>>> Geschäftsführer: Peter Steinhäuser, Christian Scheele
>>> http://www.dd-wrt.com
>>> email: s.gottsch...@dd-wrt.com
>>> Tel.: +496251-582650 / Fax: +496251-5826565
>>>
>
>
> --
> Mit freundlichen Grüssen / Regards
>
> Sebastian Gottschall / CTO
>
> NewMedia-NET GmbH - DD-WRT
> Firmensitz:  Berliner Ring 101, 64625 Bensheim
> Registergericht: Amtsgericht Darmstadt, HRB 25473
> Geschäftsführer: Peter Steinhäuser, Christian Scheele
> http://www.dd-wrt.com
> email: s.gottsch...@dd-wrt.com
> Tel.: +496251-582650 / Fax: +496251-5826565
>

Re: [PATCH] wireless-regdb: Update rules for Australia (AU) and add 60GHz rules

[Sebastian Gottschall]

Am 19.02.2017 um 01:01 schrieb Ryan Mounce:

Hi Sebastian,

There is no explicit channel width restriction in the document,
however the only band in which the current regdb rules permit 160MHz
operation (5490-5710MHz) would result in an overlap with the
restricted weather radar band 5600-5650MHz.
thats the case for all countries, so this couldnt be a argument. dfs 
should handle this


While remaining in compliance with both 802.11 and Australian law,
contiguous 160MHz operation in 5GHz is only permitted between
5170-5330MHz which spans two bands with slightly different
requirements, hence AUTO-BW.

Regards,
Ryan Mounce

r...@mounce.com.au

On 19 February 2017 at 07:15, Sebastian Gottschall
 wrote:

maybe i'm blind. but you reduced the channel width from 160 to 80 mhz. but i
can't find any restriction in the document in a quick review

Sebastian


Am 18.02.2017 um 07:35 schrieb Ryan Mounce:

Sourced from the latest legislation at
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2016C0043

The current rules exceed legal limits between 5250-5330MHz, and permit
illegal operation in 5600-5650MHz (reserved for weather radar).

Signed-off-by: Ryan Mounce 
---
   db.txt | 15 ++-
   1 file changed, 10 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)

diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
index 05108e0..b951e0c 100644
--- a/db.txt
+++ b/db.txt
@@ -85,12 +85,17 @@ country AT: DFS-ETSI
 # 60 GHz band channels 1-4, ref: Etsi En 302 567
 (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40)
   +# Source:
+# https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2016C00432
+# Both DFS-ETSI and DFS-FCC are acceptable per AS/NZS 4268 Appendix B
   country AU: DFS-ETSI
-   (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (20)
-   (5170 - 5250 @ 80), (17), AUTO-BW
-   (5250 - 5330 @ 80), (24), DFS, AUTO-BW
-   (5490 - 5710 @ 160), (24), DFS
-   (5735 - 5835 @ 80), (30)
+   (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (36)
+   (5170 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW
+   (5250 - 5330 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, DFS
+   (5490 - 5590 @ 80), (30), DFS
+   (5650 - 5730 @ 80), (30), DFS
+   (5735 - 5835 @ 80), (36)
+   (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (43), NO-OUTDOOR
 country AW: DFS-ETSI
 (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (20)



--
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Sebastian Gottschall / CTO

NewMedia-NET GmbH - DD-WRT
Firmensitz:  Berliner Ring 101, 64625 Bensheim
Registergericht: Amtsgericht Darmstadt, HRB 25473
Geschäftsführer: Peter Steinhäuser, Christian Scheele
http://www.dd-wrt.com
email: s.gottsch...@dd-wrt.com
Tel.: +496251-582650 / Fax: +496251-5826565




--
Mit freundlichen Grüssen / Regards

Sebastian Gottschall / CTO

NewMedia-NET GmbH - DD-WRT
Firmensitz:  Berliner Ring 101, 64625 Bensheim
Registergericht: Amtsgericht Darmstadt, HRB 25473
Geschäftsführer: Peter Steinhäuser, Christian Scheele
http://www.dd-wrt.com
email: s.gottsch...@dd-wrt.com
Tel.: +496251-582650 / Fax: +496251-5826565

Re: [PATCH] wireless-regdb: Update rules for Australia (AU) and add 60GHz rules

[Ryan Mounce]

Hi Sebastian,

There is no explicit channel width restriction in the document,
however the only band in which the current regdb rules permit 160MHz
operation (5490-5710MHz) would result in an overlap with the
restricted weather radar band 5600-5650MHz.

While remaining in compliance with both 802.11 and Australian law,
contiguous 160MHz operation in 5GHz is only permitted between
5170-5330MHz which spans two bands with slightly different
requirements, hence AUTO-BW.

Regards,
Ryan Mounce

r...@mounce.com.au

On 19 February 2017 at 07:15, Sebastian Gottschall
 wrote:
> maybe i'm blind. but you reduced the channel width from 160 to 80 mhz. but i
> can't find any restriction in the document in a quick review
>
> Sebastian
>
>
> Am 18.02.2017 um 07:35 schrieb Ryan Mounce:
>>
>> Sourced from the latest legislation at
>> https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2016C0043
>>
>> The current rules exceed legal limits between 5250-5330MHz, and permit
>> illegal operation in 5600-5650MHz (reserved for weather radar).
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Ryan Mounce 
>> ---
>>   db.txt | 15 ++-
>>   1 file changed, 10 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
>>
>> diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
>> index 05108e0..b951e0c 100644
>> --- a/db.txt
>> +++ b/db.txt
>> @@ -85,12 +85,17 @@ country AT: DFS-ETSI
>> # 60 GHz band channels 1-4, ref: Etsi En 302 567
>> (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40)
>>   +# Source:
>> +# https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2016C00432
>> +# Both DFS-ETSI and DFS-FCC are acceptable per AS/NZS 4268 Appendix B
>>   country AU: DFS-ETSI
>> -   (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (20)
>> -   (5170 - 5250 @ 80), (17), AUTO-BW
>> -   (5250 - 5330 @ 80), (24), DFS, AUTO-BW
>> -   (5490 - 5710 @ 160), (24), DFS
>> -   (5735 - 5835 @ 80), (30)
>> +   (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (36)
>> +   (5170 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW
>> +   (5250 - 5330 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, DFS
>> +   (5490 - 5590 @ 80), (30), DFS
>> +   (5650 - 5730 @ 80), (30), DFS
>> +   (5735 - 5835 @ 80), (36)
>> +   (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (43), NO-OUTDOOR
>> country AW: DFS-ETSI
>> (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (20)
>
>
>
> --
> Mit freundlichen Grüssen / Regards
>
> Sebastian Gottschall / CTO
>
> NewMedia-NET GmbH - DD-WRT
> Firmensitz:  Berliner Ring 101, 64625 Bensheim
> Registergericht: Amtsgericht Darmstadt, HRB 25473
> Geschäftsführer: Peter Steinhäuser, Christian Scheele
> http://www.dd-wrt.com
> email: s.gottsch...@dd-wrt.com
> Tel.: +496251-582650 / Fax: +496251-5826565
>

Re: [PATCH] wireless-regdb: Update rules for Australia (AU) and add 60GHz rules

[Sebastian Gottschall]

maybe i'm blind. but you reduced the channel width from 160 to 80 mhz. 
but i can't find any restriction in the document in a quick review


Sebastian

Am 18.02.2017 um 07:35 schrieb Ryan Mounce:

Sourced from the latest legislation at
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2016C0043

The current rules exceed legal limits between 5250-5330MHz, and permit
illegal operation in 5600-5650MHz (reserved for weather radar).

Signed-off-by: Ryan Mounce 
---
  db.txt | 15 ++-
  1 file changed, 10 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)

diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
index 05108e0..b951e0c 100644
--- a/db.txt
+++ b/db.txt
@@ -85,12 +85,17 @@ country AT: DFS-ETSI
# 60 GHz band channels 1-4, ref: Etsi En 302 567
(57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40)
  
+# Source:

+# https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2016C00432
+# Both DFS-ETSI and DFS-FCC are acceptable per AS/NZS 4268 Appendix B
  country AU: DFS-ETSI
-   (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (20)
-   (5170 - 5250 @ 80), (17), AUTO-BW
-   (5250 - 5330 @ 80), (24), DFS, AUTO-BW
-   (5490 - 5710 @ 160), (24), DFS
-   (5735 - 5835 @ 80), (30)
+   (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (36)
+   (5170 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW
+   (5250 - 5330 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, DFS
+   (5490 - 5590 @ 80), (30), DFS
+   (5650 - 5730 @ 80), (30), DFS
+   (5735 - 5835 @ 80), (36)
+   (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (43), NO-OUTDOOR
  
  country AW: DFS-ETSI

(2402 - 2482 @ 40), (20)



--
Mit freundlichen Grüssen / Regards

Sebastian Gottschall / CTO

NewMedia-NET GmbH - DD-WRT
Firmensitz:  Berliner Ring 101, 64625 Bensheim
Registergericht: Amtsgericht Darmstadt, HRB 25473
Geschäftsführer: Peter Steinhäuser, Christian Scheele
http://www.dd-wrt.com
email: s.gottsch...@dd-wrt.com
Tel.: +496251-582650 / Fax: +496251-5826565

[PATCH] wireless-regdb: Update rules for Australia (AU) and add 60GHz rules

[Ryan Mounce]

Sourced from the latest legislation at
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2016C0043

The current rules exceed legal limits between 5250-5330MHz, and permit
illegal operation in 5600-5650MHz (reserved for weather radar).

Signed-off-by: Ryan Mounce 
---
 db.txt | 15 ++-
 1 file changed, 10 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)

diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
index 05108e0..b951e0c 100644
--- a/db.txt
+++ b/db.txt
@@ -85,12 +85,17 @@ country AT: DFS-ETSI
# 60 GHz band channels 1-4, ref: Etsi En 302 567
(57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40)
 
+# Source:
+# https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2016C00432
+# Both DFS-ETSI and DFS-FCC are acceptable per AS/NZS 4268 Appendix B
 country AU: DFS-ETSI
-   (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (20)
-   (5170 - 5250 @ 80), (17), AUTO-BW
-   (5250 - 5330 @ 80), (24), DFS, AUTO-BW
-   (5490 - 5710 @ 160), (24), DFS
-   (5735 - 5835 @ 80), (30)
+   (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (36)
+   (5170 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW
+   (5250 - 5330 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, DFS
+   (5490 - 5590 @ 80), (30), DFS
+   (5650 - 5730 @ 80), (30), DFS
+   (5735 - 5835 @ 80), (36)
+   (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (43), NO-OUTDOOR
 
 country AW: DFS-ETSI
(2402 - 2482 @ 40), (20)
-- 
2.11.0