Re: Lisa Disk Drive (Working !!!)
Hi Jerome, check the October 2005 postings in LisaList and use the search or filter option with profile greetings TOM from Bavaria Am 28.02.2006 um 10:11 schrieb Jérôme VERNET: Is there a complete LisaList archive ? The only I found is incomplete (maclaunch). Jerome -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Lisa Disk Drive (Working !!!)
Hi Jerome, loud vintage Profiles are normal if they are vintage and loud ;-) So you will have to rename your file IMGP0616.AVI to loudvintageProfile.avi or, don't you... Please feel free to check the postings in the LisaList approx 1 year ago, there have been several hints, what you have to do, to get a silent Profile again... greetings TOM from Bavaria Am 27.02.2006 um 21:45 schrieb Jerome Vernet: Hi All, So, finally, thanks to macmoni and Guido, I finally get my drive working. I changed the Profile (I have two Profile) to manage to install LisaOS 3.1, done without any problem. The only problem is that the Profile made an astounishing squeaking noise ! The bearings are absolutely dead, so the drive will fail sooner or later :(. I don't think I can do something for it, and have to play around with a ear-protection headset ;) After so long, I was able to see what Lisa OS look like. I was thinking that it was much nearer to macos, but it's really something different. A little AVI film: http://membres.lycos.fr/jeromevernet/images/IMGP0616.AVI I'm happy ! Jerome -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Lisa Disk Drive
Yes, that's what I said. There's no simpler way to do so Greetings TOM Am 26.02.2006 um 11:28 schrieb Jerome Vernet: If macmomi confirm that I just have to cut the track from PIN 9 to RJ4 and PIN 20 to RJ5, i will do that, much more easy. The macplus from wich I take it is dead, so I can kill the drive too... -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Lisa Disk Drive
Hi Jerome, I take the first MP-F51W-03 I found on my desk, hoping it is working. I don't know if it's a 1,44 or 800k drive ;) That's a 800k Floppy-Drive I hope you understood the text correctly. You don't have to cut some connections on any Lisa-Board ONLY PIN 9 and PIN 20 from the connection to the ribbon-cable of any Mac 3,5 Floppy-Drive, whatever you can find. If you break that connection from the drives Board, you laten can resolder that connection again, simply using a wire and solder it on the two points again. C'est tout le meme chose, et n'est pas trés difficile - d'accord? TOM le Bavarois :-) -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Lisa Disk Drive
Hi Jerome, if the drive ejects the disks always, whether a disc is inserted or not, then you didn't cut the PIN 9 and PIN 20, that's all. You do not need to have some parts soldered out, just cut the cable or the wire on the board of the floppy TOM from Bavaria Am 26.02.2006 um 18:05 schrieb Jerome Vernet: Hi, So do I... And, not working !!! First try, simply by cutting wires 9 and 20 on the ribbon (I have some spare !): the 800k disk eject imediatly the disk. So I remove the resistor (desolering) on PIN 20, and cut track on the board for PIN 9. Tested again, the drive still eject the disk imediatly. I will check with a voltmeter if the track for PIN 9 is really cutted (how hard I have to cut ?). :( :( :( Jerome -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Lisa Disk Drive
Hi Jerome, you can use every MacIntosh Disk-Drive, e.g. the Sony F51W or F75W to replace the original OA D34V 3,5 Floppy Drive from Sony. Perhaps you have to add the Lisa Lite Card (depends on your Lisa). The only modifications are: Just pull PIN 9 and PIN 20 of the ribbon cable, when you use a 800k Mac Drive or the 1,44MB Mac Super Drive. So you can easily reduce your time of searching the cause for the Timeout-Error, by switching the complete Floppy-Drive. greetings TOM from Bavaria, the country with the marvellous castles of Koenig Ludwig, the Alps, the original Octoberfest in Munich... Am 25.02.2006 um 19:26 schrieb Jerome Vernet: Si, I come back for my disk drive: it's not working. I've dismantled it completly, greased everywhere, cleaned the head with special alcohol, then mounted it back and look how does it go when power up the Lisa, disk inserted: -head move to the outside of the disk -drive spin Waiting 3 minutes without anything, I don't know if the disk -Lisa 7/7- is good, then I have an IO Error 39 (Timeout). Starting the Lisa on the profile under MacOs, I 've inserted a disk. I got a message 'this disk is not a macintosh disk' immediatly (the head move a little, disk still spinning). Try to initialise: the Lisa eject (the head move very little) the disk immediatly with 'Initialization failed'. Any idea, advice ? The disk drive seems to be dead, anybody have a replacement disk drive for me, as I want to test Lisa OS instead MacOs... Thanks in advance. Jerome -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: PC Crap
Hi everybody, I didn't ever expect to read such a lot of postings about PCs in the Lisa List :-0 ... nor, that I will type the word PC in a mail and send that to the LisaList I always thought: Never put a Lisa too close to a PC A Lisa is a very unique kind of computer. It has been the first commercial computer system (on this planet) using the GUI. By the way, remember - and never forget - a Lisa is like an old Lady. Treat her with the amount of respect she deserves, and she will work and will never cause any problems. If you put her together with PCs, she only will steal them the show; you can't compare her with other computers, so don't even try to do so. You see: Never put a Lisa to close to PCs... That's the reason, why Jerome finally comes to the conclusion: Nothing to do, I still prefer Apple stuff! ;-) greetings TOM from Bavaria, the marvellous country in the center of Europe -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: LISA literature, software question
Hi Toni, I think that's a fair offer. But feel free to read my mail, which I sent you directly on your account - with further Information about the disks, the manuals and the versions greetings: TOM from a snowy Bavaria, the country of the marvellous castles of Koenig Ludwig, the Alps, the original Octoberfest in the center of Europe Am 24.01.2006 um 09:19 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I hope I´m not doing something improper here, asking a question about money, but here goes: I have been offered privately a set of LISA manuals and software disks; seven books and 12 disks with standard programs in all. These are in German and were, I believe, shipped with a machine. I have no idea about LISA prices, this is my first exposure to something connected with LISAs, and have been asked to pay the equivalent of about 150 US-$ (I´m in the Euro-zone here). Does that sound reasonable? Thanks for your ideas. Regards, Toni Theilmeier, near Osnabrück, Germany. P.S.: This goes to show again that eBay isn´t everything. I´m not even a member. -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: [ANN] X/ProFile -- Hard Disk Alternative for X/Lisa
Hi James and of course all members of the LisaList With respect to Tom, who I consider to be my friend, the unlucky coincidence of the timing of these two products is just that... a coincidence. Okay, let's name that ...a coincidence ... there was still a lot of work to do. At that time, I wrote to Tom to discuss his experience with the IDEfile, That's right ! hoping to determine if there was, or was not, any point in finishing the development of the X/ProFile. I didn't hear about that development of a X/ProFile at that time. I heard the first time 3 days ago; exactly the 13.th november 2005 Although there are some general similarities in the function of these devices, I certainly did not copy or otherwise derive any benefit from Patrick's work. There was no need or desire to do so. Well, I think that is true, too. I know James as an good to very good electronics engineer for years. I can say, he will be able to come to such an solution - as shown in the X/ProFile - by himself. Although I have seen pictures, I have not built (or even seen in-person) an IDEfile. I have looked briefly at Patrick's web page (where I learned the technical details mentioned below). I cannot comment that. I apologize if the announcement implied that the X/ProFile was a unique idea or the only choice. The intention was to convey that it is a new product from Sigma Seven Systems Ltd. Well, I do not really think, that the LisaList should be a place for apologizes, as I further do not think that it is a place for advertizing, too ;-) But with respect to Patrick's solution and his efforts he made (and he did that non-commercial !!!), here are parts of the translated text he wrote a few hours ago: The comparism to Microsoft is describing the situation, because there were used huge words to describe the product. Let's hope the item does all the things, which were advertized. Think of THAT price :-) It isn't a direct copy of my solution, because of differences in technical structure... He wrote much more, but I'm not keen on translating all that into english. But let me end that discussion, with some remarks: I'm not a person, who plays the role of a judge. There are too many other people in the world, who play that role better than me :-) I made my Baccalaureus years ago in two Sciences: History and Physics I learned, and everybody will make the same expieriences, when studying History that there were always similarities in time, when inventions were made... Some are nice to read after hundreds of years, some are still unknown in public, and some will remain unknown in general. That's history ! BUT it is very strange for me, that July 2004 Mr. Schaefer posted the article in the internet for public and it took over a year, to set up a website with the - let's say - from the aspect of the idea an identical product: 9th november 2005 X/Profile. All other aspects are hardly to proove for any outstanding person. So people, who want to buy the X/Profile, they should do. So people, who want to buy the IDEfile, they should do. ...and people, who do not want one of them, they should do! Okay? greetings TOM from Bavaria -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Fraudulent request from List Mom
Hi Dan, perhaps it will be interesting for you, that I didn't receive a message from the LisaList last friday concerning a look for a partner. But I received some other notes from the list, obviously all written from members of the LisaList, in that time period. greetings TOM from Bavaria/Germany Am 07.11.2005 um 13:25 schrieb Dan Knight: Friends, The message posted to these lists late last Friday did not come from me. Good portions of it were quoted from things I had written in the past, but I would never use these lists to look for a partner. I'm doing quite nicely with Yahoo Personals, Match.com, and eHarmony, thank you. I appreciate the notes of encouragement, but the posting was fraudulent. Someone spoofed my return address, and we are investigating. Dan Knight, List Mom, LEM Lists -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: She Lives!! Widget is running!
Hi Chris, congratulation ! What are normal Widget sounds? In general very loud, compared to the nowadays hf-drives :-) ...if an occasional chirp-like sound (rapid movement of R/W head motors?) is normal. Yes, that's normal. I also have that sound on my drives. Approximately once to twice each 5 minutes, if I remember. But lasting only approx 0.5 seconds. How long do things like the calculator, for instance, take to be loaded? If you think of the Calculator from Mac OS running as emulation on a Lisa, the application will last less than 2 seconds and it appears on the screen, when loaded from the widget with my Lisa. I've never had the pleasure of working with a Lisa before, so I don't know what to expect. Treat the old Lady with respect and she will honour that - with respect :-) greetings TOM from Bavaria -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Lisa Keyboard Repair - Here comes how to...
Hi, open the keyboard and check the board, whether you can see any corroded parts. Then check with a Ohm-Meter, whether there is contact if you push the space bar. If not, try to clean the button (often full of dust) with air pressure. If yes, try to check the multiplex connection from the two pins of the button to other buttons and to the arry with a lot of pins in one row on top of the reverse side of the board. You can easily trace the connections visually, this is a one layer board. If there are interrupted connections, just resolder them (the button itself, the perhaps interrupted connections) or just solder a new wire, where corrosion took place and destroyed the connections No need to throw away and replace the original part of your Lisa ! greetings TOM from Bavaria, the center of europe, the marvellous castles of Koenig Ludwig e.g. Neuschwanstein and last but not least the original Oktoberfest ! Am 06.11.2005 um 03:59 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have a keyboard with one key (space bar) not working. Any suggestions? Anyone have a working keyboard for sale? Ron San Diego 619-225-8281 -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Lisa keeps shutting itself off
Hi ! let me make some additional remarks: My Lisa indeed has a 1.2A power supply (no idea why Sun Remarketing decided to keep it hobbled with the original PSU after they installed a hard drive in it...). __The 1.2 amp PSUs do have a temp sensor in them which will shut the system down if it overheats. Well, this doesn't cause a proper shutting down Lisa. I don't believe, that this is an overtemp-problem at all. I would try turning down the brightness on the back of the machine along with a fan blowing on the PSU. With the brightness lower, there is less load on the PSU. Yes, but this will not solve the problem :-) If you want to run your Lisa with an internal hard drive, you must have an 1.8A PS. Everything else makes no sense. Unplug the HD and try to boot your Lisa from disk(s), it should not shut down. If she does, then remove one Memory-Board if you have two inserted and interchange the Boards, perhaps there's something like a Stack-Overflow due to a weak Mem-Board, which will cause the Lisa to reboot. Of course it IS NOT a Stack-Overflow, but I don't know the english word of that technical expression :-) I speak much better german than english :-) greetings TOM from Bavaria, the center of europe, the marvellous castles of Koenig Ludwig e.g. Neuschwanstein and last but not least the original Oktoberfest ! -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Question about 1 vs 2
Hi Phil, short answers for long questions: This machine has a 1.2 Amp power supply,... a little 'cheep cheep!' noise This is a soon-dying Power Supply or a high current consumption by the Lisa. I would change the PS first, cause case 1 is more likely If it is the power-supply that is dying, can a more reliable 1.8 amp power supply be used to replace a dying 1.2 amp version without any modification? Yes ! ...it gets an error 57 in the IO board. Any ideas what I should check first? Could be a wrong I/O Board or a wrong couple of ROM on the board or most likely an error caused by the Lite-Adapter in interferance with the widget drive. Or - worst case - a corrupt widget drive :-( I know there are some crazy knowledgeable people on this list, and I'm hoping these questions will be easy. Answer: Don't know exactly how crazy and or how knowledgeable all guys are here in the list. Perhaps we have to discuss that in a new topic later on... LOL greetings TOM from Bavaria -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Vertical Hold problem
Hi once again, found was a bad solder connection on the adjusting pots mounted on the board that the flyback transformer is on. The flyback coil is NOT mounted on the analog-video-board. You can see the flyback, when looking from top of the opened Lisa besite the tube and down on the bottom of the case cou can see a black flyback coil approx 3 fingers diameter (or 5cm or 2 inch), with (if I remember right) 6 cables in and one thick brown or red cable out, which is going to a rubberred connector at the top reverse side of the tube. This connection is under high-voltage !!! Despite of that, the analog-video-board behind the tube has a coil, too. But it's not the flyback. It's a serial connected coil to the deflection unit of the tube. greetings TOM from Bavaria -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Lisa Questions
Hi Marcin, try to answer the questions: did the Lisa have an internal fan? No and Yes ! Not the Lisa has an internal fan, but the hard-drive compartment had one. The fan was placed below the widget drive or/and behind the floppy drive. Secondly, does the ProFile hard drive have a fan? This question is now ansered :-) ...can't figure out where it would fit, unless it was inside the power supply. No, there's only 1 fan for the hard drive, but no one in the PS Concerning the Apple Loge... I didn't see that picture, so I don't know, what he's talking about... greetings: TOM from Bavaria -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Format a Widget with an apple III
Hi, trying to clear the confusion with internal Widget drives and external Profiles: The ProFile, at least the 5 MB version, was compatible with the Apple III. Yes ! But also compatible with Apple Lisa The only difference is the kind of formatting. That's all. (Same with 10MB) formatted by a Lisa, an Apple III can't use it. But, that seems suspicious. Not at all ! I doubt that a Widget will be able to be formatted with an Apple III, In fact. All the Profiles have been formatted with an Apple III and a special Board connected to the Apple III and connected to the apropriate external Drive. Then you can use it with a Lisa. I sold one of my Apple III half a year ago to a person, who only (or perhaps not only) uses the Apple III to format restored Drives for Lisa. I'm not an expert. The Widget was made specifically for the Lisa line, and isn't compatible with the III. If you speak of the connections, you may be right. But there's not a lot of soldering and cabling work to do and your internal Lisa Widget Drive mutates to an external Profile for Lisa or Apple III Does anyone have any idea how many working Lisa hard drives are still in existence? :-) And what will be the weather forecast for the next 4 months :-) No, I think nobody can really count that. Not because of the high number of working drives, but because there is no registration on this planet, who counts every working drive. Or is there? I never heard of... But, that would require knowledge of the Lisa OS. Not so quite rare, as you perhaps might think ! I wonder if any of the members of the Lisa team would lend support to such a project? Well Patrick Schaefer did that really without any help. He first tried to reengineer all the TTL Processes by reading out the hardware protocols, then he builts his own architecture which only converts the incoming requests and forwards those to an conventional SCSI HD and reverse, too greetings TOM from Bavaria, the center of europe, the country with the marvellous castles of Koenig Ludwig and the original Octoberfest in munich... ... and last but not least the country of Pope Benedict -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Clock battery and floppy lubrication
Hi everyone out there ! The clock batteries are 4 convenient Accumulator cells with 1.2 Volts and approx 600mAh - you can replace the 4 serial-connected cells (total=4.8 V) with AAA Size NiCad or NiMH Types. When I purchased my Lisa II from Sun many years ago, it has a dead clock battery, or a broken clock. All I know is that the clock has never worked. But this would probably not the main fault. Normally the leakage from bad batteries causes corrosion of the boards, so you will have to test all connections of the Lisa Board near the batteries. If you're lucky then corrosion will only have destroyed the upper and or lower layer of the board but not the two layers between (known as layer 2 and 3) and you could fix that problem by some soldering. You should first check the two hf transistors nearby the quartz cristal; they are responible for continous sweeping and then the signal goes to an inverter chip which causes a perfect TTL signal. Check this output too with an Oscilloscope. That's all :-) greetings TOM from Bavaria, the center of europe, the country with the marvellous castles of Koenig Ludwig and the original Octoberfest in munich... ... and last but not least the country of Pope Benedict -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Format a Widget with an apple III
Hi, the first question at last: I read that the ProFile could be low leveled with an Apple III and some software. ... and an adapter card ! Could you do the same with the Widget disk or is it's command set different? It is possible. But it will be easier to simply change only the Drivecompartment itself (housing with motor, R/W Head and the magnetic disc) without the Boards. They are identical. There were only be used 2 Types Reason being I've got a Widget that's had it's magentic half life.. and Sun Rem. doesn't serivce them anymore. There are two possible ways to solve the problem. Usually only track 0 will be out of order. With a little work you can try to disadjust the R/W Head so much, that your new track 0 will be beside the old one. You now will have to format the drive new (with an Apple III and...) and that's all. I would wonder, if all of the whole magnetic surface of the disk would be non-usable Oh, and the 3 pots on the Widget motherboard, what do they do? Depends of what three you mean :-) There are several adjustents. I check that, if you tell me the Board-Number, or give us all a link of a picture with the board. If I remember right (assume I don't after all this long time and I don't deal with this board every day) then one is for the spin velocity (please remember I'm from europe and don't know the exact english expressions; my english is good enough - I hope; but my technical english is definite not - I know) an other is for adjusting time delay for a sweep oscillator and the third one I don't remember. i have to take a short look at my boards in near future :-) greetings TOM from Bavaria, the center of europe, the country with the marvellous castles of Koenig Ludwig and the original Octoberfest in munich... ... and last but not least the country of Pope Benedict -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Schematics for Lisa 1.8 Amp DataPower power supply
Hi James ! I hope these prove useful to those working to keep Lisas running! Well I think this sentence has to be a little modified. The correction must be: These re-engineered schematics ARE very useful to those working to keep Lisas running! :-))) Greetings Tom from Bavaria -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Lisa Office System
Hi, a short remark concerning Lisa OS. There have been some developer systems, too. These were not available for custom users, but apple supported selected developers with a (or even several) Lisas and software. Here's the picture of such a software disk: http://www.deschler-web.de/Bilder/Diskette.JPG P.S. Somewhere in the web I read an article a few month ago, where they wrote, that even Micro Billy got a Lisa from Apple. Don't know, whether that is true, but it's in deed remarkable!!! ...and he needed several years to copy GUI - WOW ! Am 08.01.2005 um 12:57 schrieb Marcin Wichary: How many versions of Lisa Office System were released? I've been able to come up with this list: -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Hard drive reformatting and setup
If you use OS 6 it works ! TOM am 21.12.2004 14:18 Uhr schrieb Marcin Wichary unter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This can be done with Macs, with a build-in 800k Floppy-Drive or a so called 1,44 MB Super-Drive if you use DiskCopy and are able to run with OS 6 up to OS 7.5.3 Are you sure that SuperDrives can correctly write to 400K disks? I read reports to the contrary... Marcin Wichary e:\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary Attached w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/gui Graphical User Interface gallery w:\ www.10yearsofbeingboring.com 10 years of Being Boring w:\ www.usability.pl Usability.pl -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Lisa disks
Hi ! I only have a pair of Lisa OS 1.0 disks, which were used in Germany at a nearby Hard- and Software Develloping Factory, which had a short cooperation with Apple in the mid 80ies. They intended to develop an Audio-I/O Card for Lisa and Apple gave a set of 7 Lisas so that the engineers there could start their work... Later there was a break in this short customer-relationship and Apple kicked off the Lisa Development, so the German Part: IO Card died, before it reached the status of realism By the way, this factory then developped their own Computers with a remarkable produktion and did not go on with the Lisa hardware; they sold the whole Lisa equipment with hard- and software, the schematics, the desks the chairs, the whole rooms... I also bought some software for Lisa then, here's what I got: http://www.deschler-web.de/Bilder/Diskette.JPG These are two disks (1/2 and 2/2) with an OS on it - still working :-))) greetings TOM from Bavaria Von: Peterson, Wade D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Antworten an: LisaList lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com Datum: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:01:48 -0600 An: LisaList lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com Betreff: Lisa disks Does anyone have a set of the Lisa operating system software and Office software (it's all downloadable from http://www.macmothership.com/) already on Lisa formatted disks? I'd love to get a set as I don't have access to a Mac. Thanks -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Lisa 2 external video connector and video cameras
Hi David, Q: Can the Lisa 2's external RCA video connector be used to record video output on a NTSC video camera? Not directly, but you can convert the signal two times and then e.g. feed a modern computer with the digital signal. I did this with an Apple IIe and later with an Apple IIc (which also gives a video output by using the PAL Modular Adapter Model No. A2M4023 for Apple IIc) We have here PAL/SECAM instead of NTSC, but I think this should not be the main problem... and did the same for studies in the university mid 80ies until early 90ies. I would suggest following: First you'll need a device which is able to divide up the signal; the positive video signal and the short negative peek which transfers the sync. signal. This is necessary, cause now you have to remodulate only the video-signal and afterwards add the sync. signal again. The easiest way to do so is not build yourself an electronic device although this is possible; it's much easier to get an old video beamer (or LCD device for overhead projectors), which often have composite video input, sometimes SCART or digital video-input too and most time hf-video-in/output to connect the beamer (or LCD) in a row together with a videorecorder. Or you connect it to an converter (hauppage/myTV/etc.) to digitize the signal and get some QuickTime movies via usb or fire-wire to your Mac. Q: Can this connector damage my video camera in any way? The video-out has up to 1,3Vss max. the video in of your camera should be specified in the manual (should be 1Vss at the s-vhs in or low level. If you're unshure get yourself a shunt 1:100 with a R and a pot and parallel a cap in row with a cap. There are no devices which work with input signals lower than 1 mikro volt. This is the antenna-input, which can have the same plug, but uses different signalforms and voltages !! Q: Does a Lisa 1 have this external video connector? Yes the identical greetings TOM from Bavaria -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: My sick 2/10
Hi everybody, concerning the dangerous behaviour with a Lisa (or similar) switching transformer unit I have to add a comment, too. It's true: The +300 volts is generated on the video board BUT the PSU has hazardous components at the primary section of the unit. The (in u.s.) AC 110V are rectified, which leads to a SqaureRoot2 of 110V at least approx 170 V DC. The transformer coil is alternate feeded with +170 V and -170 V and if you are unlucky (or unknowing about the danger) touching the right connections you'll get a little problem of 170 V or 340 V Fortunately you'll know it soon, cause you can see some stars or look into a black hole :-))) So, be careful everybody. P.S. Nearly the whole rest of the world uses AC 230 Volts, that's why the 1.8 A PSU are sometimes called international and I think everybody now can calculate that SqareRoot2 multiplied with 230 V leads to a little higher DC voltage - hint for all users outside the USA: That's a deadly voltage ! You only have ONE life (normally; okay we can discuss that religious, later) and I hope everybody aggres with my opinion, that the LisaList cannot afford to loose members by voltage and current :-))) Greetings to some members of the List in Switzerland, Hungary, Poland, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, South America and USA (I hope, I didn't forget somebody. Give a sign of life, if I did) TOM from Bavaria am 30.11.2004 4:42 Uhr schrieb Scott Lewis unter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just a few comments. 1. The +300 volts is generated on the video board. -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: My sick 2/10
Hi Jason, The 12v line starts at 7.5 then falls to .08v. Ooops ?! That's a different voltage compared with your last mail. My friend tells me that it's defintally that dual diode. Well, that's right, (and exactly what I wrote yesterday) but this diode is placed in the 5 V Section not in the 12 V If your 12 V Section is weak, then it is definitely NOT the dual-diode It's a little confusing for me now, in deed. greetings TOM from Bavaria -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: My sick 2/10
Hi Jason, we have here in europe sunday 8 p.m. now and I have a little more time to type in some hints for your non-working switching power-supply. You wrote: The +5v wire has 0.7v The +12v wire has 7.2v The -12v line has -4.3v If you already opened the PSU and checked the voltage with the trick to get the PSU working without the Lisa AND there are the same results, than it's definitely the PSU itself. If the voltage is between the normal parameters, you have a shortcut in your Lisa (if, then very likely somewhere in a +5V circuit, but there are many of them in a Lisa...) ... my meter takes a few moments to display the voltage on the screen... okay, doesn't matter. Let's go on solving the problem now with engineeric proceeding. Look at the values of the Voltage above. What would you say is the main problem? Yes, of course, it's the +5V. The value is only 15% of the nominal. The rest is half or 1/3 of the nominal and only caused by a let's say the shortcut in the +5V circuit. So let's put our focus on the +5V Output of the PSU. 0.7 V is exact the voltage, which is decreasing when you send voltage through a Silicium-diode, in a rectifier e.g. :-))) Take a look at your schematic. There is such a rectifier in the low-voltage secondary part of the PSU. It's CR 20, mostly a NSD 30400, SD 231 or an equivalent type. You find that double-diode in front left side of your PSU with output-side looking to you. Have you found it? It's mounted on a 2x2x2 cooling Aluminium unit and looks like a power transistor as the both in the middle behind at the primary circuit of the PSU. But CR20 is not a power transistor it's a double-diode in one housing. This diode is very likely defect. It has a shortcut. What will be if ONE diode of those two in one housing has a shortcut? The high frequency low level AC voltage from the secondary side of the main coil transformer T3 has to be rectified by CR 20 before it passes coil L4 and is finally smoothened by C24 4700myFarad 6,3V. BUT one of your diodes has a shortcut. The AC is rectified and immediately shortcut - so you only have 0,7V. This is the (I don't know the technical word in english) we call it retranslated: diode forward lost voltage So take your meter, and make some measures at Ohm-Range. PIN 1 to housing or PIN 2 to housing of CR 20 should be different if there's an shortcut. One measure should lead to 0,00 Ohm, the other measure should lead to a much higher value, in best case infinite, but very likely something about 1 kOhm. If you measure 0,00 Ohm... ... Then solder the CR 20 out and remake your measures. If the same result, then replace it, or with an equivalent double diode or with two single rectifier diodes with following specific data: +50V minimum 8A minimum. It's not bad, if you take a 10A type, but what ever you install take care of good cooling ! I hope your PSU and at last your Lisa now works again :-) Yes, I realize the dangers of high voltages. I do refocus monitors from time to time. But I try to avoid high voltage whenever possible ;) Just give us all in the List a short note - that your Lisa works and you're still alive :-))), okay? greetings TOM from Bavaria -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: My sick 2/10
Hi !!! Removed the entire card cage. Nothing happened ... assume this is normal Yes, this is normal :-) I made a recording of the sound. http://users.tc3net.com/gperkins/Thwump.wav Cool ! This is the described Whump. We're on the right way to find the error. ...after the thwump ... hear kind of quick high pitched sqweak. Yes, this is an overcurrent PSU. But we are already checking the symptoms. So perhaps there is a short somewhere else? Somewhere else? Very unlikely. Patience, please. Try to go on step-by-step, if you look after several symptoms, you will loose the real error out of sight. We have a cool sentence for that here in bavaria: You then can't see the forest, cause of the many different trees in there I had taken Lisa mostly apart ... I also turned her upside down and shook her really hard... Oops. Don't treat the old lady to hard ! Women over 20 years had to be treated smooth, or the may become very angry :-))) I will try checking voltages next. I would like to check at the line supplying the Widget, The connections are, if your data-ribbon cable is on the left side and the power cable on the right and at the right edge you can see a pin standing out of the board, marked with TP1. From left to right 8 connectors with 7 cables are: (+5V) (+12V) () (Ground) (+12V) () (empty) (-12V) and if possible, right at the power supply. Plese do this first, and mail again. The rest of the proceedure is very complex compared to the measuring work you have to do now Is there any way I can 'trick' the power supply into turning on ... Yes there is a trick. But first make some measures. ... it looks like one of the connectors is +300v! Yes, there is high voltage. I mailed you in my last mail, didn't I do so? If you really want to go on (after you made your measures), then you will have to confirm, that you are familiar with electrical safety rules and perhaps there is someone (an radio- or tv-mechanic), who will do that for you. There's risk: danger of life ... but first do some measures :-)) greetings TOM from bavaria -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: My sick 2/10 = Probably Overcurrent Shutdown
Hi Jason, I have a sick 2/10. When I push the power button, there is a 'whump' ... definitely your Switching Power Supply is weak, or your Lisa has somewhere a high consumption unit, which leads to that symptom. The Whump comes from the PSU trying to power-up, but immediately shuts down due to a high current or high voltage errror. The PSU has two main units: one controls, whether the secondary voltage is between the limits (undervolt or overvolt) and a second, which checks the maximum current. First try to disconnect the whole disk compartment from voltage, cause this needs very much energy. Try to boot your lisa again. If it works now, just mail again. If it doesn't, then additional try to pull out the (or both) mem-board and try to fire your Lisa up again. the best would be to change the PSU or the whole mainboard-rack - if you have a second, of course. ... and found that the 2 large 250v capacitors were slightly bulged, That's no reason to be worried. I rather would say, it's quite normal. I've seen that in more than 80% of the Lisa PSU and the all work, without a problem Just give a short note; at this moment there are too many possible errors, so we have to shrink the reasons, why your Lisa only says Whump :-) Tom from Bavaria, the center of Europe, the country with the alps, the marvellous castles of Koenig Ludwig and the original Octoberfest -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: My sick 2/10
Hi Jason, your search to find the error is going on. I have tried powering the Lisa with the drive cage removed, same result. I have not tried powering it on with the ram cards removed. I'll try that now. Check that first, before we take a closer look to the PSU ... third pin from the yellow plactic piece on the first expansion slot was bent, and was contacting the pin acrost from it. I have a piece of paper in there now, insulating it. Could be, but mustn't. But it perhaps would be a good idea to insulate the whole expansion slot by putting in some sort of plastic e.g. a master-card or sth. like that :-))) I had removed the motherboard from the metal base and didn't see any burnt traces or anything. The Lisa PSU shuts down much faster than anything will begin to burn or melt, fortunately :-) There is only one exception of that rule, and this is, if your CRT-Board is bad. Then you can under some circumstances smell a little burned material, cause one of the potentiometers of the Board can burn. But this is very very unlikely - and this error would NOT cause the PSU to shut down. Perhaps you can check the PSU voltages, if removing the RAM cards does not lead to a now working Lisa. You have some voltages easy to measure by using the power-connector cable of the drive cage. There should be +5V, +12V availlable for a very short time, during the whump If those two voltages (or one of that) isn't availlable, then you have to check the PSU - but you have to be very careful. High voltage !!! Wait a few minutes to get all Caps discharged after the last attempt to fire it up. Then check all diodes at the left side of the PSU mounted vertically on the PSU-Board (when the connections look forward and the power plug is behind) and the double-diode (looks like a power-transistor) near the low-voltage Caps in front. Perhaps one of those diodes has a shortcut, which leads to an overcurrent. Then check all low-voltage Caps in front. If they're bad, then they cannot temporary store the power, and your Lisa will be feed with a frequent DC. Not very good in deed, and one more reason for overcurrent to switch the PSU off. If you're familiar with electrical devices, you also can test the opened PSU under voltage and take some measurements to proceed a littler faster :-) But do not do that, if you are not an electician or electric engineer AND don't do that alone in case of something is happening to you. Somebody should be able to call emergency in worst case :-))) greetings TOM from Bavaria -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
