Re: [pfSense] Traffic Limiter name change

2016-06-24 Thread Chris Buechler
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Karl Fife  wrote:
> We've entered the wonderful world of the traffic limiters. Specifically, we
> put FACEBOOK subnets through a comparatively skinny pipe.  This is done to
> make it JUST a bit too painful to look at kitten photos, but perfectly
> suitable to look at CompetitorCo's facebook page for legitimate business
> purposes. We're still collecting empirical data on how much it disuades
> personal use, but it doesn't seem to create tension the way that explicit
> blocking would.
>
> The issue:
>
> in <=2.2 if an in-use limiter is renamed, the system will yell at you.  IMO,
> that's good.
>

That's not true actually. No input_errors there when renaming a
limiter. You can't delete one that's in use. 2.3 is the same in that
regard.

There is a bug ticket open on updating firewall rules when a limiter
is renamed (or preventing renaming) to avoid removal of limiters from
rules when renamed. That's no diff than it's ever been though.
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Re: [pfSense] Traffic Limiter name change

2016-06-24 Thread Benjamin E. Nichols

What a brilliantly dick move, LOL.


On 6/24/2016 1:01 PM, Karl Fife wrote:
We've entered the wonderful world of the traffic limiters. 
Specifically, we put FACEBOOK subnets through a comparatively skinny 
pipe.  This is done to make it JUST a bit too painful to look at 
kitten photos, but perfectly suitable to look at CompetitorCo's 
facebook page for legitimate business purposes. We're still collecting 
empirical data on how much it disuades personal use, but it doesn't 
seem to create tension the way that explicit blocking would.


The issue:

in <=2.2 if an in-use limiter is renamed, the system will yell at 
you.  IMO, that's good.


in 2.3, if an in-use limiter is renamed, the system will not yell at 
you. IMO that's bad.


Should this fact be considered a regression, or is there a reason for 
removing this notice/check?


IMO, it would be preferable to abstract the limiter names the way 
aliases have been abstracted (so they can be changed without the risk 
of breaking things) but I understand that limiters may not be used as 
frequently as aliases.




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[pfSense] Traffic Limiter name change

2016-06-24 Thread Karl Fife
We've entered the wonderful world of the traffic limiters. Specifically, 
we put FACEBOOK subnets through a comparatively skinny pipe.  This is 
done to make it JUST a bit too painful to look at kitten photos, but 
perfectly suitable to look at CompetitorCo's facebook page for 
legitimate business purposes. We're still collecting empirical data on 
how much it disuades personal use, but it doesn't seem to create tension 
the way that explicit blocking would.


The issue:

in <=2.2 if an in-use limiter is renamed, the system will yell at you.  
IMO, that's good.


in 2.3, if an in-use limiter is renamed, the system will not yell at 
you. IMO that's bad.


Should this fact be considered a regression, or is there a reason for 
removing this notice/check?


IMO, it would be preferable to abstract the limiter names the way 
aliases have been abstracted (so they can be changed without the risk of 
breaking things) but I understand that limiters may not be used as 
frequently as aliases.




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