Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)
I know it seems incredible, but there are many large businesses that I know of that will only allow IE to be used. I was as shocked as you but on further investigation into one such organisation it seemed to be a matter of cost as the users didn't have permission to download any programmes/software/etc so IT would have to come round to everyone's machine individually to install it. and that would cost money pants excuse I think...but these kind of organisations won't listen to any sort of reason! L-J --- Nick Gleitzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SunUp wrote: I've had an enormous struggle getting our department permission to use Firefox, and the rest of the staff here (3000-odd people) don't have a choice because the Firefox site is banned. Banned?! What for? What kind of nazis *are* these people? Is this some kind of perceived security issue? And when you say the FF site, do you mean using FF as a browser? L-J Lacey subtle as a fish developing websites today for tomorrow http://www.subtleasafish.com/ ___ Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)
L-J Lacey wrote: I know it seems incredible, but there are many large businesses that I know of that will only allow IE to be used. I was as shocked as you but on further investigation into one such organisation it seemed to be a matter of cost as the users didn't have permission to download any programmes/software/etc so IT would have to come round to everyone's machine individually to install it. and that would cost money pants excuse I think...but these kind of organisations won't listen to any sort of reason! We-ell, having been an IT manager in my time, 90% of your user base in a big company is less than technically ept, to say the least, and half the rest just want to load up Kazaa so they can download music. Most large organizations I know of lock down the desktop to minimize damage. It's frustrating when you're one of the few who is capable of downloading useful stuff and maintaining your own machine, but IT managers are responsible for any illegal software found on the network, and they'll get a right bollocking if an audit finds porn on some tosser's system as well. It's the exceptions that are the expensive items in terms of support. If everyone runs the same desktop, it can be a lot simpler to maintain. The IT managers who have my respect are the ones who recognize that not all users are created equally and can make exceptions that help the business. But then, I don't respect that many IT managers :-p cheers Mark Harris ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)
Mark, I agree with you 100%. I understand why the IT teams have to do it, but wish they'd have a little leeway at times (ie when a non pleb wants to use something a lot better than IE). The IT managers who have my respect are the ones who recognize that not all users are created equally and can make exceptions that help the business. But then, I don't respect that many IT managers :-p cheers Mark Harris ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** L-J Lacey subtle as a fish developing websites today for tomorrow http://www.subtleasafish.com/ ___ All new Yahoo! Mail The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use. - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Semantic usage of th
So are you suggesting that scope should only be used in that case? Or should we be putting scope on all of our ths to spell it out as best we can? On 04/08/06, Ben Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand the th tag should be used on the items in the top row, butI'd describe it a bit differently - the th tag should be used for any cell which is a heading for other cells. After that it's justfollowing the logic through :) The scope attribute removes ambiguityof the top left cell.cheers,Ben- http://www.200ok.com.au/--- The future has arrived; it's just not--- evenly distributed. - William Gibson**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help** **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] Semantic usage of th
So are you suggesting that scope should only be used in that case? Or should we be putting scope on all of our ths to spell it out as best we can? No, I'd recommend using them all the time. It's a simple habit change, really. Ben -- --- http://weblog.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Float Clearing Problem - First item clears sidebar???
Help needed See http://www.pricklypair.co.nz/rocket1/products.php?dept=cakes All works well as long as the first product's height pushes it past the sidebar. Where this doesn't occur the second product doesn't start until after the sidebar. I've experienced this problem id IE6, FF1.5 and O8.5 The structure is roughly Div product Floated Image Div product_text Table end Div product_text br clear both end Div product Css validates, HTML validates apart from some errors caused by PHP inserting hidden input fields outside the div. I've tried display: table-cell and that solves the clearing problem but the product div is only as wide as it needs to be. Can anyone suggest a solution? Thanks Richard ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Float Clearing Problem - First item clears sidebar???
Richard Lake wrote: Help needed
See http://www.pricklypair.co.nz/rocket1/products.php?dept=cakes
All works well as long as the first product's height pushes it past the
sidebar. Where this doesn't occur the second product doesn't start until
after the sidebar. I've experienced this problem id IE6, FF1.5 and O8.5
The structure is roughly
Div product
Floated Image
Div product_text
Table
end Div product_text
br clear both
end Div product
Css validates, HTML validates apart from some errors caused by PHP inserting
hidden input fields outside the div.
I've tried display: table-cell and that solves the clearing problem but the
product div is only as wide as it needs to be.
Can anyone suggest a solution?
Thanks
RichardSimple fix, but I've only tested in Firefox. Float the content right..content { color: #636363; margin: .75em 0 .75em .75em; float: right;}Ian.
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Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)
very true indeed - thankfully our IT manager let me have admin rights on my first day : lets be honest the first thing I did was download iTunes and y! messenger but AFTER that I got the important stuff. definately can't let anyone download anything they want though - that would be chaos! - Original Message From: Mark Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, 4 August, 2006 9:34:31 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats) L-J Lacey wrote: I know it seems incredible, but there are many large businesses that I know of that will only allow IE to be used. I was as shocked as you but on further investigation into one such organisation it seemed to be a matter of cost as the users didn't have permission to download any programmes/software/etc so IT would have to come round to everyone's machine individually to install it. and that would cost money pants excuse I think...but these kind of organisations won't listen to any sort of reason! We-ell, having been an IT manager in my time, 90% of your user base in a big company is less than technically ept, to say the least, and half the rest just want to load up Kazaa so they can download music. Most large organizations I know of lock down the desktop to minimize damage. It's frustrating when you're one of the few who is capable of downloading useful stuff and maintaining your own machine, but IT managers are responsible for any illegal software found on the network, and they'll get a right bollocking if an audit finds porn on some tosser's system as well. It's the exceptions that are the expensive items in terms of support. If everyone runs the same desktop, it can be a lot simpler to maintain. The IT managers who have my respect are the ones who recognize that not all users are created equally and can make exceptions that help the business. But then, I don't respect that many IT managers :-p cheers Mark Harris ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Css menu (not navigation)
Just what I was looking for. Thanks a lot :) Have a great weekend Kim Janette Girod wrote: Hi Kim, Here's a nice use of definition lists to style a menu: How to style a restaurant menu with CSS http://web-graphics.com/mtarchive/001622.php It looks like there's also some microformat menu activity going on at http://microformats.org/ . Cheers, Janette --- Kim Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I remember seeing a sample of a elastic tableless menu for a restaurant looking something like this Item description.price 123 Item description.price 456 Item description.price 789 If anyone knows where this sample is located or have an idea how to accomplish this I would love to hear about it. Thanks -- Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Kim Kruse - http://www.mouseriders.dk http://www.geekministry.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Kim Kruse - http://www.mouseriders.dk http://www.geekministry.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] proper image-content-image markup
use h2 id=heading1a href=#heading1spanTitle/span/a/h2 and you also gain by adding permalinks to section headers :) if you can use pauls solution (with only 2 images) you can use h2 and a and you don't even have any meaningless markup... otherwise just use spans inside h2 elements surrounding the text. Marko Mrdjenovic friedcellcollective.net Brian Cummiskey wrote: Hi All, I have a template from a designer for a background image to go behind the H2 category tags on a new layout. It has distinct fixed left, center repeating (depending on text length), and fixed right portions to it. (something like this: ==text===Y) Which is the more proper way to mark this up? h2span/spanFoo1span/span/h2 vs. divdiv/divh2Foo2/h2div/div/div vs divspan/spanh2Foo3/h2span/span/div Or, are the better options that don't use useless empty tags that hold nothing more than a style attribute for the background image? The page markup looks like this: div id=mainbody h2Title/h2 div id=content /div So, there's no other div's hanging around the h2 that I can shove this into. Appreciate the suggestions, thanks! -Brian ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
