Re: [WSG] In the 'Wow, if only everyone did this category...

2006-10-10 Thread Kat




...morphs to this, seamlessly, on resize...

http://www.omnivision.com.au/safari/resize.png

...and to this, even if you get carried away.

http://www.omnivision.com.au/safari/extreme.png

N


Gday Nick,

I am getting a 404 on the resize.png?

Kat



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Re: [WSG] In the 'Wow, if only everyone did this category...

2006-10-10 Thread Nick Gleitzman

Kat wrote:




http://www.omnivision.com.au/safari/resize.png
http://www.omnivision.com.au/safari/extreme.png
N


Gday Nick,

I am getting a 404 on the resize.png?

Kat



Unh. Try these:

http://www.omnivision.com.au/safari/resized.htm
http://www.omnivision.com.au/safari/extreme.htm

Apologies.

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RE: [WSG] In the 'Wow, if only everyone did this category...

2006-10-10 Thread michael.brockington
Actually, the reason that you can't see the text in any other browser is
due to the use of a drop shadow - something else that only Safari and
its siblings renders.

Mike 

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 The reason you can't 
 see anything  
 is because the text is set to white - with a bg-image, you'd 
 be able to  
 see it.
 
 


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[WSG] swift - only windows browser with a webkit?

2006-10-10 Thread info
Hi,
I got this idea from the 'Wow, if only everyone did this' conversation.
Swift seems to be the only Windows browser with a webkit, making it an
idea to test websites for mac-compatibility if you don't have a mac.
But any link I found so far to download this new, open source web browser
leeds to www.getswift.org which refuses the connection.
Does anyone know where to get swift?

Thanx,
Daniela



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Re: [WSG] swift - only windows browser with a webkit?

2006-10-10 Thread Felix Miata
On 06/10/10 11:30 (GMT+0200) [EMAIL PROTECTED] apparently typed:

 I got this idea from the 'Wow, if only everyone did this' conversation.
 Swift seems to be the only Windows browser with a webkit, making it an
 idea to test websites for mac-compatibility if you don't have a mac.
 But any link I found so far to download this new, open source web browser
 leeds to www.getswift.org which refuses the connection.
 Does anyone know where to get swift?

I was able to download from http://getswiftfox.com/
 , but not get it installed, and found the help forum of no value in trying.
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[WSG] Safari and bg-images for list bullets

2006-10-10 Thread John Faulds

I have a couple of problems with Safari which can be seen on this page:

http://www.tyssendesign.com.au/examples/test.html

The first is the misalignment of the bg-images that I'm using for bullets.  
Every other browser including IE5 displays them how I want them except for  
Safari. I did a quick search but the only thing I came up with was that  
this was a bug that only affected earlier versions but it seems to be the  
same in Safari 2.0 too.

So, is there a solution? Does it require using a Safari-only filter?

Which brings me on to the next problem which is illustrated by the search  
box. Most browsers displayed it how I wanted, but I had to use a filter to  
give Opera 8.5 a different height (Opera 9 is OK). It seems like Safari  
has the same problem, so again, do I need to add a filter for Safari, or  
is there a better way to do this without resorting to any filters/hacks?


Cheers
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Re: [WSG] swift - only windows browser with a webkit?

2006-10-10 Thread Lachlan Hunt

Felix Miata wrote:

On 06/10/10 11:30 (GMT+0200) [EMAIL PROTECTED] apparently typed:


I got this idea from the 'Wow, if only everyone did this' conversation.
Swift seems to be the only Windows browser with a webkit, making it an
idea to test websites for mac-compatibility if you don't have a mac.
But any link I found so far to download this new, open source web browser
leeds to www.getswift.org which refuses the connection.
Does anyone know where to get swift?


The page in Google's cache currently leads to a page with the following 
message:


| I'm taking a break from Swift. Right now I haven't got the
| time nor cash to finish this project. I want to open it up
| again, and release my 0.2 version and keep developing, but
| right now (as i'm in the middle of setting up the new server)
| don't have the time needed. I get paid jack for this.
| I have spent $350 out of my own pocket on this. I have
| recieved $130 in ad revenue. Big difference. Please keep
| checking in, I will have a release within a week or 2.

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.getwebkit.org

So, it seems the project may be returning in the future.  But given that 
the site is now completely dead, who knows?!



I was able to download from http://getswiftfox.com/
 , but not get it installed, and found the help forum of no value in trying.


No, that's a completely different browser.  That one is based upon Gecko 
(Firefox).  Swift is based upon WebKit, which is the same rendering 
engine used by Safari.


I have the Swift_0.1.msi installer if anyone wants it.  It's got a 
terrible user interface, but it will at least render the pages 
reasonably well.  Compare for yourself:


http://lachy.id.au/lib/images/2006/swift-multibg-image-20061010
http://lachy.id.au/lib/images/2006/safari-multibg-image-20061010

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RE: [WSG] swift - only windows browser with a webkit?

2006-10-10 Thread michael.brockington
That would appear to be a completely different beast, despite the
similarity of name.  

When I tried the Safari-based Swift a month or so ago, I was able to
install it okay, but there seemed to be no way to configure a proxy,
which made it completely useless.

Mike


 -Original Message-
 From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Felix Miata

 
 I was able to download from http://getswiftfox.com/
  , but not get it installed, and found the help forum of no 
 value in trying.


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Re: [WSG] Safari and bg-images for list bullets

2006-10-10 Thread Eystein Alnaes
On 10/10/06, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a couple of problems with Safari which can be seen on this page:http://www.tyssendesign.com.au/examples/test.htmlSo, is there a solution? Does it require using a Safari-only filter?
I ran into the same problem not long ago, and solved by simply altering the image itself - to have more whitespace between the two states (hover and not-hover). Using a gif it won't make the image file any (noticeably) larger. It's not an ideal solution, but it's a means to an end.
~eys

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RE: Re: [WSG] swift - only windows browser with a webkit?

2006-10-10 Thread matt
Felix, I would like a copy of the msi.

Matthew Vanderhorst
www.montgomeryohio.org


Felix Miata wrote:
 On 06/10/10 11:30 (GMT+0200) [EMAIL PROTECTED] apparently typed:
 
 I got this idea from the 'Wow, if only everyone did this' conversation.
 Swift seems to be the only Windows browser with a webkit, making it an
 idea to test websites for mac-compatibility if you don't have a mac.
 But any link I found so far to download this new, open source web browser
 leeds to www.getswift.org which refuses the connection.
 Does anyone know where to get swift?

The page in Google's cache currently leads to a page with the following 
message:

| I'm taking a break from Swift. Right now I haven't got the
| time nor cash to finish this project. I want to open it up
| again, and release my 0.2 version and keep developing, but
| right now (as i'm in the middle of setting up the new server)
| don't have the time needed. I get paid jack for this.
| I have spent $350 out of my own pocket on this. I have
| recieved $130 in ad revenue. Big difference. Please keep
| checking in, I will have a release within a week or 2.

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.getwebkit.org

So, it seems the project may be returning in the future.  But given that 
the site is now completely dead, who knows?!

 I was able to download from http://getswiftfox.com/
  , but not get it installed, and found the help forum of no value in 
trying.

No, that's a completely different browser.  That one is based upon Gecko 
(Firefox).  Swift is based upon WebKit, which is the same rendering 
engine used by Safari.

I have the Swift_0.1.msi installer if anyone wants it.  It's got a 
terrible user interface, but it will at least render the pages 
reasonably well.  Compare for yourself:

http://lachy.id.au/lib/images/2006/swift-multibg-image-20061010
http://lachy.id.au/lib/images/2006/safari-multibg-image-20061010

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Re: [WSG] Safari and bg-images for list bullets

2006-10-10 Thread John Faulds
I've already done that though. The space between the two states is about 5  
times the height of the actual bullet. In Safari you can actually seem the  
on state appearing above the off state even though it's about 40px below  
it in the image file and bg-repeat is set to no-repeat.


On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:11:20 +1000, Eystein Alnaes [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



On 10/10/06, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I have a couple of problems with Safari which can be seen on this page:

http://www.tyssendesign.com.au/examples/test.html

So, is there a solution? Does it require using a Safari-only filter?




I ran into the same problem not long ago, and solved by simply altering  
the

image itself - to have more whitespace between the two states (hover and
not-hover). Using a gif it won't make the image file any (noticeably)
larger. It's not an ideal solution, but it's a means to an end.

~eys


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Re: [WSG] Safari and bg-images for list bullets

2006-10-10 Thread Eystein Alnaes
 On 10/10/06, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have a couple of problems with Safari which can be seen on this page: http://www.tyssendesign.com.au/examples/test.html So, is there a solution? Does it require using a Safari-only filter?
 I ran into the same problem not long ago, and solved by simply altering the image itself - to have more whitespace between the two states (hover and not-hover). Using a gif it won't make the image file any (noticeably)
 larger. It's not an ideal solution, but it's a means to an end. 
I've already done that though. The space between the two states is about 5times the height of the actual bullet. In Safari you can actually seem theon state appearing above the off state even though it's about 40px below
it in the image file and bg-repeat is set to no-repeat.I should've remembered, I added whitespace at the top and bottom of the
image, and adjusted the background-postition accordingly. In other
words, it's still showing the bottom/top in the wrong place, but since
you've changed it to the same backgroundcolor (or transparent) it won't
show. 

If anyone knows why the bottom of the bg shows above the top on no-repeat please feel free to enlighten us!

~eys

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Re: [WSG] Safari and bg-images for list bullets

2006-10-10 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh


On Oct 10, 2006, at 6:59 PM, John Faulds wrote:


http://www.tyssendesign.com.au/examples/test.html

The first is the misalignment of the bg-images that I'm using for  
bullets. Every other browser including IE5 displays them how I want  
them except for Safari. I did a quick search but the only thing I  
came up with was that this was a bug that only affected earlier  
versions but it seems to be the same in Safari 2.0 too.

So, is there a solution? Does it require using a Safari-only filter?


It is a known bug with Safari: happens when the background image is  
too large for the container.
part of that bug has been fixed in nightly builds, but the 'hover'  
problems still is buggy in the latest Webkit build I have.
A bug report has been filed ages ago (2years at least in my case),  
but the engineers there are not overtly concerned, it seems.


Workarounds include: let the image move horizontally instead of  
vertically or vice-versa, use an oversized image with loads of white  
space, use different image for the various states...


Here is a page of mines that tested this (created in June 2004,  
according to my notes).

http://dev.l-c-n.com/Safari/background-hover.php

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Re: [WSG] Getting the layout to work and with all browsers

2006-10-10 Thread David Cameron

I suppose after a week I should assume no replies = nothing forthcoming?

Ta folks!

Dave Cameron




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Re: [WSG] swift - only windows browser with a webkit?

2006-10-10 Thread Lachlan Hunt

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Lachlan Hunt wrote:

I have the Swift_0.1.msi installer if anyone wants it.


Felix, I would like a copy of the msi.


It was I, not Felix, who has it.  I received a couple of requests for 
it, so I put it up online.


http://lachy.id.au/dev/swift/binaries/

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Re: [WSG] Getting the layout to work and with all browsers

2006-10-10 Thread David Cameron

Copy and paste ;)

Hi there.

I'm looking to adopt a drop-down menu theme on my site. I've got most of it 
sorted, but there's still a few teething problems.


If you look at www.camieabz.co.uk for an example of the existing navigation 
tabs first (no drop-down).


The testsite link is www.camieabz.co.uk/menutest/index.html

The pertinent CSS file is www.camieabz.co.uk/menutest/menustyle.css and is 
solely for the menu section of the styling. There may be bits and pieces in 
the other style sheet which need to come out.



Problems:

Opera / Firefox menu bar sits higher that drop-down menu, making navigation 
impossible.


Original site tabs have an image which forms the left border of the tabs. On 
the new version, they don't show. Also there should be a small black arrow 
image on menu items 1.5 and 5.5 to indicate another sub level menu. No show 
either.


Those are the important ones. The only other I can think of is that the 
original site tab colours are preferred, but the new ones are different.


Appreciate any help, as the template I'm using has (for me at least) 
slightly more complicated selectors than usual.


Many thanks!

Dave Cameron.



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To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Getting the layout to work and with all browsers
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:24:11 -0400

David Cameron wrote:

I suppose after a week I should assume no replies = nothing forthcoming?
Dave Cameron
I no longer have your post, nor am I able to find it in the archives (not 
that I could answer the question, even if I could find it :-) ). You may 
want to post again with a link to the page in question-- if there is one.

Regards,
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Re: [WSG] can i access any element in a nested form

2006-10-10 Thread David Dorward
On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 07:09:34PM +0530, nishak wrote:
 Can I access any element, 

Define access. Match with a CSS selector?

 which is there inside a nested form tag?

Nested suggests form form /form /form, which is forbidden.

 I tried but I guess there is some syntactical problem,

What did you try? Show us the code.

 it's saying there is no property for form.

What is it?

  Can u pl

Can you avoid butching the language like that, please?

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Re: [WSG] -moz-border-bottom-colors. Help

2006-10-10 Thread Nils Kr. Falch

On 10/10/06, Tee G. Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I wanted to use -moz-border-bottom-colors just for this tab, it
doesn't seem working with this line of code
  -moz-border-bottom-colors: 1px solid #000;


Width and style aren't valid values for border-color or -moz-border-bottom-color


or this  -moz-border-bottom-colors:  #000;


Did you supply a width and style for that?
border-bottom-width:3px;
border-bottom-style:solid;
-moz-border-bottom-colors:#f0f #555 #c00;



According to http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/
Creating_a_Skin_for_Mozilla:In-Depth#-moz-border-bottom-colors

-moz-border-bottom-colors: ThreeDDarkShadow ThreeDShadow transparent;

I must confess I do not quite understand ThreeDDarkShadow
ThreeDShadow .


ThreeDShadow and ThreeDShadow is part of the system-colours in css2.
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/ui.html#system-colors


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Re: [WSG] Getting the layout to work and with all browsers

2006-10-10 Thread dwain . alford

David Cameron wrote:

Problems:

Opera / Firefox menu bar sits higher that drop-down menu, making 
navigation impossible.
do you think that enclosing the drop down in a table has anything to do 
with the positioning?

dwain


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Re: [WSG] can i access any element in a nested form

2006-10-10 Thread David Dorward
On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 02:49:10PM +0100, David Dorward wrote:
 Can you avoid butching the language like that, please?

... OK, the irony of misspelling butchering in that context is not
lost on me.

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Re: [WSG] Getting the layout to work and with all browsers

2006-10-10 Thread dwain . alford

David Cameron wrote:

Problems:

Opera / Firefox menu bar sits higher that drop-down menu, making 
navigation impossible.

here's your problem:
.menu ul li
{
float:left;
position:relative;
list-style-type: none;
padding-left:0px;
font-size: 93%;
display:inline;
margin:0;
padding:0;
font-size: 100%;
/*line-height: 1em*/;

the line-height was killing you. take it out and you can navigate.
dwain


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Re: [WSG] can i access any element in a nested form

2006-10-10 Thread Lachlan Hunt

nishak wrote:

Can I access any element, which is there inside a nested form tag?


Using JavaScript?  If it is present in the DOM, you can access it.

I tried but I guess there is some syntactical problem, it's saying 
there is no property for form.


Hmm... My powers of telepathy seem to be failing this evening.  I can't 
seem to see the code you are thinking about, let alone find the errors 
in it.  If I have to guess, I'd say check line 42. ;-)


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Re: [WSG] Getting the layout to work and with all browsers

2006-10-10 Thread Nick Gleitzman

David Cameron wrote:

The pertinent CSS file is www.camieabz.co.uk/menutest/menustyle.css 
and is solely for the menu section of the styling. There may be bits 
and pieces in the other style sheet which need to come out.


There's bits and pieces in this one which need to come out, too. For 
instance, there are multiple, conflicting instances of padding declared 
in a number of rules. Keeping your css clean makes it much easier to 
debug.


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Re: [WSG] swift - only windows browser with a webkit?

2006-10-10 Thread Nikita The Spider

On 10/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,
I got this idea from the 'Wow, if only everyone did this' conversation.
Swift seems to be the only Windows browser with a webkit, making it an
idea to test websites for mac-compatibility if you don't have a mac.
But any link I found so far to download this new, open source web browser
leeds to www.getswift.org which refuses the connection.
Does anyone know where to get swift?


An alternative for you Windows folks -- Webkit was based on and is
still a close cousin of KHTML, the rendering engine in KDE's
Konqueror. Lots of Linux live CDs will let you run Konqueror from a
CD. Knoppix comes to mind (and it's handy to have a copy of that
anyway for performing surgery on Windows) but any of them that run
Konqueror will allow you to test how your pages render in a
KHTML-based browser.

HTH

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RE: [WSG] *Pure* CSS drop down menu

2006-10-10 Thread Dennis Lapcewich
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Re: [WSG] swift - only windows browser with a webkit?

2006-10-10 Thread libwebdev
Hi folks,Lachlan wrote:It's got a terrible user interface...Would also be nice if the Tools menu actually worked (I click, nothing happens).One site I tested got rendered without styles but the same site looks just fine with 
BrowsrCamp.com.Interesting.lib.

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Re: [WSG] swift - only windows browser with a webkit?

2006-10-10 Thread Christian Montoya

On 10/10/06, libwebdev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi folks,

Lachlan wrote:
It's got a terrible user interface...

Would also be nice if the Tools menu actually worked (I click, nothing
happens).

One site I tested got rendered without styles but the same site looks just
fine with BrowsrCamp.com.

Interesting.


I had some problems with Swift and had to uninstall it. I think it had
to do with the face that it's just too young and buggy right now. The
live CD option sounds a lot better.

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Re: [WSG] Getting the layout to work and with all browsers

2006-10-10 Thread David Cameron

Right. Decided to solve it all a better way (I think).

I've installed IE7, Firefox and Opera and will redesign to meet their 
requirements. IE versions prior to 7 get second place now.


Thanks though. I changed things as you said, but I saw how it reacted with 
Opera and decided it needed severe attention. Back to the drawing board.


Dave Cameron.



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Subject: Re: [WSG] Getting the layout to work and with all browsers
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:16:04 -0500

David Cameron wrote:

Problems:

Opera / Firefox menu bar sits higher that drop-down menu, making 
navigation impossible.

here's your problem:
.menu ul li
{
float:left;
position:relative;
list-style-type: none;
padding-left:0px;
font-size: 93%;
display:inline;
margin:0;
padding:0;
font-size: 100%;
/*line-height: 1em*/;

the line-height was killing you. take it out and you can navigate.
dwain


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Re: [WSG] Safari and bg-images for list bullets

2006-10-10 Thread John Faulds

use an oversized image with loads of white space


I ended up doing this as per the example in your link with the extra white  
space below (as well as in between) and now it's fine. Thanks.


Any ideas on the height of the input problem?

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