Re: [WSG] input type='image'
On 1/8/07, Kay Smoljak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out what you can do with button - it's the forgotten form element :) Also more on button / here: http://www.digital-web.com/articles/push_my_button/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] input type='image'
Thanks, I will have a look at the button and see what I come up with. Cheers. From: Matthew Pennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] input type='image' Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 08:48:36 + On 1/8/07, Kay Smoljak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out what you can do with button - it's the forgotten form element :) Also more on button / here: http://www.digital-web.com/articles/push_my_button/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** _ Advertisement: Fresh jobs daily. Stop waiting for the newspaper. Search now! www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau_t=757263760_r=Hotmail_EndText_Dec06_m=EXT *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] input type='image'
Also more on button / here: http://www.digital-web.com/articles/push_my_button/ And a bit more on styling buttons (although some of it deals with inputs too): http://www.tyssendesign.com.au/articles/css/styling-form-buttons/ -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Using em's as unit measure
Hi I have a div element with just a few words of text directly in the div, I have applied padding using em's but when I view this in IE and Firefox IE seems to make the element larger than it appears in Firefox. If I put an equal amount of padding all round the div element in Firefox this places the text to be aligned in the centre of the div, while in IE the text seems lower down and the div appears a lot larger. Can anybody shed some light on this? Kind regards Martyn *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. It is intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message or its attachments to anyone. Rather, you should permanently delete this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Any content of this message and its attachments which does not relate to the official business of the sending company must be taken not to have been sent or endorsed by that company or any of its related entities. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. It is intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message or its attachments to anyone. Rather, you should permanently delete this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Any content of this message and its attachments which does not relate to the official business of the sending company must be taken not to have been sent or endorsed by that company or any of its related entities. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** application/ms-tnef
Re: [WSG] Re: SUP
'Morgen, My hardline semantics reply would be... Math (a2), square units (km2), Should be MathML? chemistry formulas (Na2CO3) ... ChemML? I exactly know your reason for putting it this way, but (and the same goes for modularity) it does not serve the common needs (read: a straightforward use without a heavy overhead stuff) of marking up the simple construction used just for a common unit. (I know you use the form of sqm and mph but we have solely m^2 and kmh^-1). I'm not talking scientific stuff, weird formulas or equations. Speaking of which .. the numbers 0-9 should be available in Unicode in both subscript and superscript if I'm not mistaken, so it should cover this basic usage. we're thinking XHTML 2.0 for a second That's what I tried not to do. The reason? When I hear XHTML2 two things pop up in my mind ... W3C and IE, I don't quite know which one is more distant from the ideas of HTML and web at all. Honestly, it gets weary to think in the theoretical field over and over after some time. And you know what I mean, I'd like to see it in real ... once. Or see my kids working with it / using it at some point ;) Theoretically, would you like it more if it were called indexsomething /? Possibly, yes. That was what I thought - the element serves its purpose ... at least to some extent; it's only stupidly called and treated ;) (Take it with a grain of salt, as always.) -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. It is intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message or its attachments to anyone. Rather, you should permanently delete this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Any content of this message and its attachments which does not relate to the official business of the sending company must be taken not to have been sent or endorsed by that company or any of its related entities. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. It is intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message or its attachments to anyone. Rather, you should permanently delete this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Any content of this message and its attachments which does not relate to the official business of the sending company must be taken not to have been sent or endorsed by that company or any of its related entities. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** application/ms-tnef
Re: [WSG] Time-lapse animation of a CSS site being built?
On 1/8/07, Ben Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone remember this have the URL? Yup: http://mboffin.com/post.aspx?id=1619 (text link in the post) Awesome, thanks Ben! -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. It is intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message or its attachments to anyone. Rather, you should permanently delete this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Any content of this message and its attachments which does not relate to the official business of the sending company must be taken not to have been sent or endorsed by that company or any of its related entities. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. It is intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message or its attachments to anyone. Rather, you should permanently delete this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Any content of this message and its attachments which does not relate to the official business of the sending company must be taken not to have been sent or endorsed by that company or any of its related entities. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** application/ms-tnef
Re: [WSG] website checker
John 'Max' Maxwell wrote: Hi All, Can someone tell me the best way to check my website for 'accessability'?? I have done a standard HTML and CSS validation so I can be 100% before advertising the fact in my footer etc. But is there a 1 click Y/N tester for accessibility that works in the same way as the W3 site checker for validity?? It's a little more complex than the CSS/XHTML validation services, but they exist-- 508: http://www.contentquality.com/mynewtester/cynthia.exe?rptmode=-1url1=URLENCODEDURLHERE WAI: http://www.contentquality.com/mynewtester/cynthia.exe?rptmode=2url1=URLENCODEDURLHERE *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] website checker
On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 04:50:06PM -, John 'Max' Maxwell wrote: Can someone tell me the best way to check my website for 'accessability'?? Pay an expert (or become one yourself). Email me off list if you want a recommendation, I won't spam the group with it. The RNIB is also likely to be able to make some suggestions. I have done a standard HTML and CSS validation so I can be 100% before advertising the fact in my footer etc. But is there a 1 click Y/N tester for accessibility that works in the same way as the W3 site checker for validity?? No, many aspects of accessibility cannot be programatically tested for. You need some degree of human intervention. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] website checker
On 1/8/07, John 'Max' Maxwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone tell me the best way to check my website for 'accessability'?? I have done a standard HTML and CSS validation so I can be 100% before advertising the fact in my footer etc. But is there a 1 click Y/N tester for accessibility that works in the same way as the W3 site checker for validity?? There is no 'tool' for checking accessibility, it's something that has to be done manually, as there are too many requirements that need a common sense interpretation. Bobby/Watchfire does some of the bits that can be automated, though. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] website checker
On 08/01/07, Brian Cummiskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John 'Max' Maxwell wrote: Hi All, Can someone tell me the best way to check my website for 'accessability'?? I have done a standard HTML and CSS validation so I can be 100% before advertising the fact in my footer etc. But is there a 1 click Y/N tester for accessibility that works in the same way as the W3 site checker for validity?? It's a little more complex than the CSS/XHTML validation services, but they exist-- 508: http://www.contentquality.com/mynewtester/cynthia.exe?rptmode=-1url1=URLENCODEDURLHERE WAI: http://www.contentquality.com/mynewtester/cynthia.exe?rptmode=2url1=URLENCODEDURLHERE You may find the Total Validator useful aswell: http://www.totalvalidator.com/index.html But as others have said - a majority of checks need to be done by a real, live, person (or preferably persons), rather than a machine, but running validators is a good start! -- Frances Berriman http://fberriman.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] website checker
Can someone tell me the best way to check my website for 'accessability'?? I like this one: http://www.sidar.org/hera/ because it has icons next to the error descriptions that highlight exactly where in your page the problem is or where you need to check. Regards, Kepler Gelotte, President Neighbor Webmaster, Inc. address: 156 Normandy Dr., Piscataway, NJ 08854 web: www.neighborwebmaster.com phone/fax: (732) 302-0904 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] website checker
Thanks guys, Pretty much as I thought then. Thanks again for your time and Happy New Year all. Kind regards, Max. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Image markup clarification
Happy New Year Group, Could someone please clarify for me the best way to markup an image in a template, take a header image for example. In the interest of keeping structure from content I have recently been using background images wherever possible to keep my markup as clean as possible but I have been reading an article on the importance of the alt text for SEO. Is there a definitive answer? I want the best search engine rankings but I also want clean markup. Robin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Image markup clarification
Happy New Year to you too Robin! You may want to look at CSS image replacement: http://www.google.com/search?q=css+image+replacement Personally, I've had good experience with the very simple: h1img src=my-header.gif alt=Page Title //h1 Paul From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin @ Xplore.net Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 8:23 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Image markup clarification Happy New Year Group, Could someone please clarify for me the best way to markup an image in a template, take a header image for example. In the interest of keeping structure from content I have recently been using background images wherever possible to keep my markup as clean as possible but I have been reading an article on the importance of the alt text for SEO. Is there a definitive answer? I want the best search engine rankings but I also want clean markup. Robin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Image markup clarification
Robin @ Xplore.net wrote: Happy New Year Group, Could someone please clarify for me the best way to markup an image in a template, take a header image for example. In the interest of keeping structure from content I have recently been using background images wherever possible to keep my markup as clean as possible but I have been reading an article on the importance of the alt text for SEO. Is there a definitive answer? I want the best search engine rankings but I also want clean markup. Robin, there is no definitive answer, but there are many image-replacement techniques. http://www.mezzoblue.com/tests/revised-image-replacement/ http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/08/sifr *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Image markup clarification
On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 08:23:18AM +1300, Robin @ Xplore.net wrote: Could someone please clarify for me the best way to markup an image in a template, take a header image for example. In the interest of keeping structure from content I have recently been using background images wherever possible to keep my markup as clean as possible but I have been reading an article on the importance of the alt text for SEO. Does the image convey information? Then it should be an img with alt text. Is the image purely presentational? Then its a toss-up between background image and img with an empty alt attribute. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Image markup clarification
At 1/8/2007 11:23 AM, Robin @ Xplore.net wrote: Could someone please clarify for me the best way to markup an image in a template, take a header image for example. In the interest of keeping structure from content I have recently been using background images wherever possible to keep my markup as clean as possible but I have been reading an article on the importance of the alt text for SEO. Is there a definitive answer? I want the best search engine rankings but I also want clean markup. Background images, not being IMG elements, can't have ALT attributes, so that part's easy. If you've decided that an image is truly decor and doesn't need to be a foreground image, it also doesn't need (and can't have) alt text. Determining which images are decor and which are truly content can be difficult at times as there can be lots of grey area. One could argue that if the image is not necessary to understanding the page content, it's decor. It helps if you turn images off in your browser and see if the integrity of the page suffers as a result. The correct markup will depend on whether you're using HTML or XHTML. For XHTML it's: img src=x alt=xx / Other attributes are available; see: HTML 4.01 Specification 13 Objects, Images, and Applets 13.2 Including an image: the IMG element http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/objects.html#edef-IMG Regards, Paul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Image markup clarification
Robin, since you are using background images, I assume that the images are meaningless, and only for decoration reasons. Therefore you do not need alt attributes there. It is true that alt attributes are a little piece of the search engines algorithms, which can boost a bit your rankings, but they are not there for stuffing with keywords. And for the minimal boosting, it is not worth to spoil your clean code. That is a fact! Work on more important on-site and off-site factors for achieving higher rankings. The golden rule in SEO is: Optimize for engines, with humans in mind! Best, John -- John S. Britsios Web Architect Business Consultant Webnauts Net SEO Workers (Main Office) Koblenzer Str. 37A D-33613 Bielefeld Webnauts Net SEO Workers (U.S. Office) 5 Ivanhoe Drive Urbana IL 61802 http://www.webnauts.net http://www.seoworkers.com Robin @ Xplore.net wrote: Happy New Year Group, Could someone please clarify for me the best way to markup an image in a template, take a header image for example. In the interest of keeping structure from content I have recently been using background images wherever possible to keep my markup as clean as possible but I have been reading an article on the importance of the alt text for SEO. Is there a definitive answer? I want the best search engine rankings but I also want clean markup. **Robin ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Image markup clarification
Thank you for your reply's to this post, and your interesting comments. That has now given me some clarity on the subject. I hadn't thought about the actual content of he image as having information before and therefore being part of the structure. Again Excellent Thank you. Robin Gorry Senior Web Developer Xplore Net Solutions d: 00 64 (0)6 834 24 84 f: 00 64 (0)6 834 24 86 e : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.xplore.net http://www.xplore.net/ Take control of your website - ask me today about Xsite-tomorrows Content Management System CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. _ From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin @ Xplore.net Sent: Tuesday, 9 January 2007 8:23 a.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Image markup clarification Happy New Year Group, Could someone please clarify for me the best way to markup an image in a template, take a header image for example. In the interest of keeping structure from content I have recently been using background images wherever possible to keep my markup as clean as possible but I have been reading an article on the importance of the alt text for SEO. Is there a definitive answer? I want the best search engine rankings but I also want clean markup. Robin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] website checker
Hi All, Can someone tell me the best way to check my website for 'accessability'?? I have done a standard HTML and CSS validation so I can be 100% before advertising the fact in my footer etc. But is there a 1 click Y/N tester for accessibility that works in the same way as the W3 site checker for validity?? Thanks, Max aka The Pig Farmer www.thepigfarmer.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. It is intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message or its attachments to anyone. Rather, you should permanently delete this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Any content of this message and its attachments which does not relate to the official business of the sending company must be taken not to have been sent or endorsed by that company or any of its related entities. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. It is intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message or its attachments to anyone. Rather, you should permanently delete this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Any content of this message and its attachments which does not relate to the official business of the sending company must be taken not to have been sent or endorsed by that company or any of its related entities. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** application/ms-tnef
RE: [WSG] website checker
Can someone tell me the best way to check my website for 'accessability'?? I like this one: http://www.sidar.org/hera/ because it has icons next to the error descriptions that highlight exactly where in your page the problem is or where you need to check. Regards, Kepler Gelotte, President Neighbor Webmaster, Inc. address: 156 Normandy Dr., Piscataway, NJ 08854 web: www.neighborwebmaster.com phone/fax: (732) 302-0904 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. It is intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message or its attachments to anyone. Rather, you should permanently delete this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Any content of this message and its attachments which does not relate to the official business of the sending company must be taken not to have been sent or endorsed by that company or any of its related entities. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. It is intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message or its attachments to anyone. Rather, you should permanently delete this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Any content of this message and its attachments which does not relate to the official business of the sending company must be taken not to have been sent or endorsed by that company or any of its related entities. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** application/ms-tnef
Re: [WSG] website checker
John 'Max' Maxwell wrote: Hi All, Can someone tell me the best way to check my website for 'accessability'?? I have done a standard HTML and CSS validation so I can be 100% before advertising the fact in my footer etc. But is there a 1 click Y/N tester for accessibility that works in the same way as the W3 site checker for validity?? It's a little more complex than the CSS/XHTML validation services, but they exist-- 508: http://www.contentquality.com/mynewtester/cynthia.exe?rptmode=-1url1=URLENC ODEDURLHERE WAI: http://www.contentquality.com/mynewtester/cynthia.exe?rptmode=2url1=URLENCO DEDURLHERE *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. It is intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message or its attachments to anyone. Rather, you should permanently delete this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Any content of this message and its attachments which does not relate to the official business of the sending company must be taken not to have been sent or endorsed by that company or any of its related entities. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. It is intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message or its attachments to anyone. Rather, you should permanently delete this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Any content of this message and its attachments which does not relate to the official business of the sending company must be taken not to have been sent or endorsed by that company or any of its related entities. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** application/ms-tnef
Re: [WSG] website checker
On 08/01/07, Brian Cummiskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John 'Max' Maxwell wrote: Hi All, Can someone tell me the best way to check my website for 'accessability'?? I have done a standard HTML and CSS validation so I can be 100% before advertising the fact in my footer etc. But is there a 1 click Y/N tester for accessibility that works in the same way as the W3 site checker for validity?? It's a little more complex than the CSS/XHTML validation services, but they exist-- 508: http://www.contentquality.com/mynewtester/cynthia.exe?rptmode=-1url1=URLENC ODEDURLHERE WAI: http://www.contentquality.com/mynewtester/cynthia.exe?rptmode=2url1=URLENCO DEDURLHERE You may find the Total Validator useful aswell: http://www.totalvalidator.com/index.html But as others have said - a majority of checks need to be done by a real, live, person (or preferably persons), rather than a machine, but running validators is a good start! -- Frances Berriman http://fberriman.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. It is intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message or its attachments to anyone. Rather, you should permanently delete this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Any content of this message and its attachments which does not relate to the official business of the sending company must be taken not to have been sent or endorsed by that company or any of its related entities. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. It is intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message or its attachments to anyone. Rather, you should permanently delete this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Any content of this message and its attachments which does not relate to the official business of the sending company must be taken not to have been sent or endorsed by that company or any of its related entities. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** application/ms-tnef
RE: [WSG] website checker
Thanks guys, Pretty much as I thought then. Thanks again for your time and Happy New Year all. Kind regards, Max. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. It is intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message or its attachments to anyone. Rather, you should permanently delete this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Any content of this message and its attachments which does not relate to the official business of the sending company must be taken not to have been sent or endorsed by that company or any of its related entities. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. It is intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message or its attachments to anyone. Rather, you should permanently delete this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Any content of this message and its attachments which does not relate to the official business of the sending company must be taken not to have been sent or endorsed by that company or any of its related entities. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** application/ms-tnef
Re: [WSG] website checker
On 1/8/07, John 'Max' Maxwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone tell me the best way to check my website for 'accessability'?? I have done a standard HTML and CSS validation so I can be 100% before advertising the fact in my footer etc. But is there a 1 click Y/N tester for accessibility that works in the same way as the W3 site checker for validity?? There is no 'tool' for checking accessibility, it's something that has to be done manually, as there are too many requirements that need a common sense interpretation. Bobby/Watchfire does some of the bits that can be automated, though. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. It is intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message or its attachments to anyone. Rather, you should permanently delete this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Any content of this message and its attachments which does not relate to the official business of the sending company must be taken not to have been sent or endorsed by that company or any of its related entities. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. It is intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message or its attachments to anyone. Rather, you should permanently delete this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Any content of this message and its attachments which does not relate to the official business of the sending company must be taken not to have been sent or endorsed by that company or any of its related entities. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** application/ms-tnef
Re: [WSG] website checker
On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 04:50:06PM -, John 'Max' Maxwell wrote: Can someone tell me the best way to check my website for 'accessability'?? Pay an expert (or become one yourself). Email me off list if you want a recommendation, I won't spam the group with it. The RNIB is also likely to be able to make some suggestions. I have done a standard HTML and CSS validation so I can be 100% before advertising the fact in my footer etc. But is there a 1 click Y/N tester for accessibility that works in the same way as the W3 site checker for validity?? No, many aspects of accessibility cannot be programatically tested for. You need some degree of human intervention. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. It is intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message or its attachments to anyone. Rather, you should permanently delete this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Any content of this message and its attachments which does not relate to the official business of the sending company must be taken not to have been sent or endorsed by that company or any of its related entities. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. It is intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message or its attachments to anyone. Rather, you should permanently delete this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Any content of this message and its attachments which does not relate to the official business of the sending company must be taken not to have been sent or endorsed by that company or any of its related entities. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** application/ms-tnef
[WSG] display:none; property and screenreaders
Hello list! Is it true that if we use like div style=display:none;, that div could be invisible for screenreader software? thank you! Mihael (Slovenija) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] display:none; property and screenreaders
On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 11:47:52PM +0100, Mihael Zadravec wrote: Is it true that if we use like div style=display:none;, that div could be invisible for screenreader software? Yes -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] display:none; property and screenreaders
Hi Mihael, Is it true that if we use like div style=display:none;, that div could be invisible for screenreader software? Yes, here's an article with a table of affected screen readers (scroll down to the table) http://alistapart.com/articles/fir/ Joe Clark seems to claim that Jaws does read it. .Matthew Cruickshank http:/docvert.org Convert Word Documents to HTML *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
