Re: [WSG] Legitimate uses of b and i

2007-01-18 Thread Michael Adesanwo

Hello Andrew, Michael his my name am newlly Web-designer here in Nigeria.
and am looking for friend around the world to help me and build me to the
world taste of the corparate designing.

So kindly help me with things you know it will be in a help on creating
web-site. And if i want to have my own site will you help me out?

Thanks



On 1/18/07, Andrew Maben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thanks Kat!

I've been following this discussion and feeling like a cat at Wimbledon,
following the points back and forth...


For me this is the definitive match point!


Now do you have an equally incisive answer for sup and sub?

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 On Jan 17, 2007, at 7:54 PM, Katrina wrote:






2) Language usage such as Latin as this is a long standing convention in
print and must be retained (thus not styled via CSS).
Example: i lang=laLorem ispum/i



I actually come across this situation from time to time and I have ummed
and ahhed over what the best thing to do is.


My final answer is to place it in spans, such as span class=species
lang=latinEchium plantagineum/span because:


1. The span offers flexibility: I have air-head moments where I decide
these things should be italic, and bold, and in a different font, and then I
decide the background should be a different colour. I can never predict what
sort of air-head moments I have from year to year, and CSS allows me to
cover for these moments quite easily. So I can change them to these stupid
settings and then quickly change them back again :)


2. The web is essentially about semantic text. The audience reading your  pages
may not necessarily be human, and you need to open up your data to be
available to your audience. Placing these sorts of semantic data in your
code opens it up. The web is not about visual presentation, but about data.
This is a really scary but powerful concept, that I believe will become even
more important in the years to come.


3. All in code is evaluated by Google (a non-human audience member), and
that includes the class name of the span. Your quality rating goes up, and
SEOs could say more, but I believe also your listing for 'species Echium
plantagineum' goes up because of the inclusion of the word 'species':)


So my argument is if you find you need to present it visually different
from surrounding text, ask yourself why. Why is this special, and then mark
it up with spans using that speciality.


Kat




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Re: [WSG] Legitimate uses of b and i

2007-01-18 Thread Michael Adesanwo

Hello Michael, am also Michael and i am newlly Web-designer graduate here in
Nigeria. and am looking for friend around the world to help me and build me
to the world taste of the corparate designing.

So kindly help me with things you know it will be in a help on creating
web-site. And if i want to have my own site will you help me out?

Thanks



On 1/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 -Original Message-
 From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of russ - maxdesign
 Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:10 PM
 To: Web Standards Group
 Subject: Re: [WSG] Legitimate uses of b and i

 Might be worth looking at the work on the Microformats site for more
 detailed citation markup

 http://microformats.org/wiki/cite
 http://microformats.org/wiki/citation-examples
 http://microformats.org/wiki/citation-examples#List_of_all_pr
 operties
 http://microformats.org/wiki/citation-examples-markup#Breakdo
 wn_of_Citation
 _Elements

 HTH
 Russ



No, that doesn't really help - their candidate list of attributes is
ginormous! Doesn't look like they are very close to completion, so right
now it is a choice between inventing a micro-format and hoping that it
is compatible, or just doing it the easy (visual only) way. Since the
_only_ advantage of a micro-format comes from standardisation, going it
alone does not seem very useful.

Mike


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