RE: [WSG] html validation: exactly what is it good for?
Sunday, July 9, 2006 11:15 a.m. EDT Shlomi, SCSI'S PERSPECTIVE ON QUESTIONING AUTHORITY: I appreciate your courage at sticking your neck out to ask what may appear to many to be very basic questions. Why? Because such questions often prove to be the ones that should be thought about most deeply before any authority should reply to them. After all, this is intended to be a discussion -- not a do as I do or say -- group forum, isn't it? With that said, I'm sure the intent is always to inform, but we must all be careful not to discourage another person's inquisitiveness, desire to learn more, and willingness to be pointed in new and interesting directions as a result of asking a question in the first place. A THOUGHT-PROVOKING QUOTATION: One of my favorite quotations might serve us all well here --- referring to your ... that's why I question authority... statement. Here it is ... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual. -- Galileo For me, in this particular instance, Web standards and recommendations represent the science that is being called into question, Scsi's Productivity and Knowledge Transfer Web site's design and implementation represent the humble reasoning of a single individual. PUTTING THINGS TO THE TEST: Galileo Galilei put things to the test, questioned the writings and teachings of Aristotle, and persisted in his search for the truth in spite of all the naysayers back then in the 17th century. Coming now to the 21st century, I offer to all the experimental results of Scsi's humble reasoning in applying Web standards and recommendations for one and all to evaluate and draw conclusions as to the its value to others. Visit URL address http://sonoffconsulting.com/ to see a first-pass solution for Ubiquitous Web Access and put its Web pages to the test for validation and accessibility, hopefully learning (and questioning, of course). BACK TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION, WHY VALIDATE? Finally, as to assisting you toward answering your original question, you might wish to access Scsi WebKISS(tm) Guide #1: Why Validate Your Web Site's Pages? at URL address http://sonoffconsulting.com/filters/web_kiss_guides/scsi_pkt_why_val_web_sit e.html for my perspective on this matter. CLOSING COMMENTS: Good luck, keep questioning authority, and do continue to have the courage of your convictions as you climb the ladder of learning. It will serve you well. Raymond Raymond Sonoff, President Sonoff Consulting Services, Inc. 72 Fitch Avenue Darien, CT 06820-5340 Tel.: 203.656.1518 Gen'l e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Corp. e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site URL: http://sonoffconsulting.com/ -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Montoya Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 8:57 AM To: Shlomi Asaf Cc: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] html validation: exactly what is it good for? On 7/9/06, Shlomi Asaf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/9/06, Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ugh, let's all start posting links to innaccurate articles that only serve to mislead people and give the finger to web standards and the W3C... on the WSG list, no less. Christian, im investigating html validation. i refuse to take for grentet everything been told to me. i try to look at the positive and negative sided and costs of my webDesign. thats why i question autority, thats why i posted the links. hope no harm been made by this move. Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you there. I guess that article just pushes the wrong button -.- It was definitely a good question on your part and I respect your desire to know more. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... portfolio.christianmontoya.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Through PDA
To any WSG members who could use some Web standards-compliant Web sites can and do work successfully: Don't be discouraged with what you may have so far encountered, namely, rather poor representations of Web site pages, particularly on small screen rendering devices such as Portable Digital Assistants and SmartPhones. No doubt that the design and implementation challenge is ever-present, but do keep in mind that to achieve noteworthy improvements in anything worthwhile it takes time for Web site designers to put forth the effort to learn about and to address both accessibility and usability issues. With that said, I'd like to suggest that you visit Sonoff Consulting Services, Inc.'s (Scsi's) Productivity and Knowledge Transfer (PKT) Web site at http://sonoffconsulting.com/ and (as an earlier e-mail that I submitted to the WSG suggested) put it through the wringer to confirm that it is a first-pass solution to Ubiquitous Web Access that is intended to serve as a working model for a World Class Level Web site. As for making it easy to perform validation testing of the entire site's Web pages, Scsi provides three hyperlinks on every page that readily allow for validation testing for full conformance to the W3C's XHTML 1.0 Strict, screen medium cascading style sheet (CSS), and WCAG Accessibility (Priorities 1, 2, and 3, inclusive) recommendations. How easy is it to do? Well, three of the 36 pre-defined access keys associated with the sonoffconsulting.com domain will launch the respective tests. For the example of a Microsoft Operating System and Internet Explorer Web browser, in combination with the 'Alt' key, you would make use of the 'left bracket' key, the 'equal sign' key, and the 'right bracket' key to launch these tests for any Web page you are currently viewing. Keep up your spirits and put forth the effort, and you will succeed. Good luck and have fun while learning-by-doing. Raymond Sonoff, President Sonoff Consulting Services, Inc. 72 Fitch Avenue Darien, CT 06820-5340 Tel.: 203.656.1518 Gen'l e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Corp. e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site URL: http://sonoffconsulting.com/ -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leskinen N. Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:57 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Through PDA Yesterday I have connected PDA to the Internet and have looked as sites under web-standards are well looked. http://whale-zx.livejournal.com/8498.html Not so well... -- Kit http://www.zamyteam.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Through PDA
To any WSG members who could use some encouragement by way of examples of Web standards-compliant Web sites that can and do work successfully on PDAs, SmartPhones, etc.: Don't be discouraged with what you may have so far encountered, namely, rather poor representations of Web site pages, particularly on small screen rendering devices such as Portable Digital Assistants and SmartPhones. No doubt that the design and implementation challenge is ever-present, but do keep in mind that to achieve noteworthy improvements in anything worthwhile it takes time for Web site designers to put forth the effort to learn about and to address both accessibility and usability issues. With that said, I'd like to suggest that you visit Sonoff Consulting Services, Inc.'s (Scsi's) Productivity and Knowledge Transfer (PKT) Web site at http://sonoffconsulting.com/ and (as an earlier e-mail that I submitted to the WSG suggested) put it through the wringer to confirm that it is a first-pass solution to Ubiquitous Web Access that is intended to serve as a working model for a World Class Level Web site. As for making it easy to perform validation testing of the entire site's Web pages, Scsi provides three hyperlinks on every page that readily allow for validation testing for full conformance to the W3C's XHTML 1.0 Strict, screen medium cascading style sheet (CSS), and WCAG Accessibility (Priorities 1, 2, and 3, inclusive) recommendations. How easy is it to do? Well, three of the 36 pre-defined access keys associated with the sonoffconsulting.com domain will launch the respective tests. For the example of a Microsoft Operating System and Internet Explorer Web browser, in combination with the 'Alt' key, you would make use of the 'left bracket' key, the 'equal sign' key, and the 'right bracket' key to launch these tests for any Web page you are currently viewing. Keep up your spirits and put forth the effort, and you will succeed. Good luck and have fun while learning-by-doing. Raymond Sonoff, President Sonoff Consulting Services, Inc. 72 Fitch Avenue Darien, CT 06820-5340 Tel.: 203.656.1518 Gen'l e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Corp. e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site URL: http://sonoffconsulting.com/ -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leskinen N. Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:57 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Through PDA Yesterday I have connected PDA to the Internet and have looked as sites under web-standards are well looked. http://whale-zx.livejournal.com/8498.html Not so well... -- Kit http://www.zamyteam.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Accessibility standards - for commercial consumption
Since the request for finding working resources for how to achieve accessibility has been made, I am making my first-ever contribution to the WSG with the intent to 'throw my white hat' into the ring for one and all to examine, critique, and to learn by example --- especially without having to make any CSS hacks whatsoever --- and see what my four-year effort has encompassed toward achieving 100% Web accessibility and Web usability, all while conforming to W3C's xHTML 1.0 Strict, CSS, and WCAG Priority Levels 1, 2, and 3, inclusive recommendations on each and every page within the sonoffconsulting.com domain. What do you need to do? Just visit Sonoff Consulting Services, Inc.'s (Scsi's) Productivity and Knowledge Transfer (PKT) Web site at URL address http://sonoffconsulting.com and put it to the test for its stated claim of being a first-pass solution toward achieving Ubiquitous Web Access. This Web site design is based on Scsi's Perfect 10 Web Site Standard -- see http://sonoffconsulting.com/unique_features.html for details -- with its underlying set of ten Best Practices -- see http://sonoffconsulting.com/unique_features_part2.html for details -- that every World Class Level (read: 100% accessibility, ideally) Web sites should strive to provide its visitors/prospects/customers/users. I am providing below Scsi's Working Definition of the above statements as copied directly from the Home page. --- Scsi's Working Definition of Universal Web Accessibility and Web Usability = World Class Level Web Sites Anyone, anywhere, using any Internet-enabled device, any operating system, and any (Web- or text mode-based) browser should be enabled - by the Web site personnel's adherence to judicious design principles and Best Practices - to accomplish basic tasks, including the following: Readily access any Web page within the Web site's domain Easily navigate (regardless of the navigation tool chosen, e.g., keyboard, mouse, or other pointing device) within and among its Web pages Display any Web page's contents without imposing any restrictions on the user as to screen resolution or viewing window size All of these benefits are manifested throughout the always-and-ever productivity-focused sonoffconsulting.com domain. Scsi's PKT Web site is clearly focused on serving as an exemplary working model that clearly and convincingly demonstrates what The Ubiquitous Web Domain describes as a goal to strive to reach. Hopefully, you will end up agreeing that Scsi has carried this Web site development effort to the point of achieving at least a first-pass Ubiquitous Web Access solution that is available here and now, is based on existing mature technologies, employs a from-the-ground-up Web standards-based design architecture and relevant methodologies, and retains an emphasis on simplicity over complexity at all times. SPECIAL NOTE: For the purists who feel that a Web site must be wholly CSS-based, I currently consider my approach involving 'minimalistic Tables' that do support linearization when disabled as a viable solution for the near-term at the very least. Hopefully, the readers of this e-mail will learn by example first by putting everything stated to the test and by simply doing a View Source operation to see the various sections of source code that together comprise each and every Web page within the sonoffconsulting.com domain. Have fun and good luck to everyone who takes the time to perform this exercise for themselves. Raymond Sonoff, President Sonoff Consulting Services, Inc. 72 Fitch Avenue Darien, CT 06820-5340 Tel.: 203.656.1518 Gen'l e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Corp. e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site URL: http://sonoffconsulting.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Accessibility standards - for commercial consumption
Since the request for finding working resources for how to achieve accessibility has been made, I am making my first-ever contribution to the WSG with the intent to 'throw my white hat' into the ring for one and all to examine, critique, and to learn by example --- especially without having to make any CSS hacks whatsoever --- and see what my four-year effort has encompassed toward achieving 100% Web accessibility and Web usability, all while conforming to W3C's xHTML 1.0 Strict, CSS, and Priority Levels 1, 2, and 3, inclusive recommendations on each and every page within the sonoffconsulting.com domain. What do you need to do? Just visit Sonoff Consulting Services, Inc.'s (Scsi's) Productivity and Knowledge Transfer (PKT) Web site at URL address http://sonoffconsulting.com and put it to the test for its stated claim of being a first-pass solution toward achieving Ubiquitous Web Access. This Web site design is based on Scsi's Perfect 10 Web Site Standard -- see http://sonoffconsulting.com/unique_features.html for details -- with its underlying set of ten Best Practices -- see http://sonoffconsulting.com/unique_features_part2.html for details -- that every World Class Level (read: 100% accessibility, ideally) Web sites should strive to provide its visitors/prospects/customers/users. I am providing below Scsi's Working Definition of the above statements as copied directly from the Home page. --- Scsi's Working Definition of Universal Web Accessibility and Web Usability = World Class Level Web Sites Anyone, anywhere, using any Internet-enabled device, any operating system, and any (Web- or text mode-based) browser should be enabled - by the Web site personnel's adherence to judicious design principles and Best Practices - to accomplish basic tasks, including the following: Readily access any Web page within the Web site's domain Easily navigate (regardless of the navigation tool chosen, e.g., keyboard, mouse, or other pointing device) within and among its Web pages Display any Web page's contents without imposing any restrictions on the user as to screen resolution or viewing window size All of these benefits are manifested throughout the always-and-ever productivity-focused sonoffconsulting.com domain. Scsi's PKT Web site is clearly focused on serving as an exemplary working model that clearly and convincingly demonstrates what The Ubiquitous Web Domain describes as a goal to strive to reach. Hopefully, you will end up agreeing that Scsi has carried this Web site development effort to the point of achieving at least a first-pass Ubiquitous Web Access solution that is available here and now, is based on existing mature technologies, employs a from-the-ground-up Web standards-based design architecture and relevant methodologies, and retains an emphasis on simplicity over complexity at all times. SPECIAL NOTE: For the purists who feel that a Web site must be wholly CSS-based, I currently consider my approach involving 'minimalistic Tables' that do support linearization when disabled as a viable solution for the near-term at the very least. Hopefully, the readers of this e-mail will learn by example first by putting everything stated to the test and by simply doing a View Source operation to see the various sections of source code that together comprise each and every Web page within the sonoffconsulting.com domain. Have fun and good luck to everyone who takes the time to perform this exercise for themselves. Raymond Sonoff, President Sonoff Consulting Services, Inc. 72 Fitch Avenue Darien, CT 06820-5340 Tel.: 203.656.1518 Gen'l e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Corp. e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site URL: http://sonoffconsulting.com/ -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Champion Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 11:54 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility standards - for commercial consumption Lachlan Hunt wrote: There are several sites and resources that do offer accessibility tools and advice, such as Juicy Studio and WATS.ca, but when it comes to something that really walks a developer through accessibility from designing and building with modern, accessible techniques; coping with browser limitations, through to actually testing it with (and understanding how a disabled person uses) assistive technology, there really isn't all that much readily available. Dive Into Accessibility and WebAIM do provide something like this, although the former is dated. An updated DIA or something similar would be a great resource IMHO. Dan This email and any attachments have been scanned for viruses prior to leaving Clackmannanshire Council. Clackmannanshire Council will not be liable for any losses as a result of viruses being passed on. www.clacksweb.org.ukN G2H X5z[|nK VvHj.yh6 Af5)j7: ~fxW wqy;h [ 6)6 zX6 6)i
