Re: [WSG] Textarea attribues.
Jough wrote: What, exactly, is the idea behind keeping the attributes of ‘rows’ and ‘cols’ a requirement of a textarea in XHTML 1.0? It seems to me that these values reflect formatting rather than valid information. The problem with textarea is, how it should be displayed, when CSS is off? Should it default to 5, 10, 15, 20, ... rows? How wide should it be? Wide enough to write a poem, or as wide as the entire page? So, it's pretty clear, there has to be some way of telling the non-CSS browsers how to large the textarea should be. Maybe the textarea could have some default values, which would make the cols and rows optional, but it's pretty hard to agree what those default values should be. Maybe the guys in W3C just couldn't agree on a default value. -- Rene Saarsoo *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE7 standards support very bad according to some
I was under the impression that IE 7's standards support was much improved, but this article, http://www.idealog.us/2006/08/microsoft_drops.html, and the Paul Thurrot article it links to both think it is bad. On one side, yes, the CSS support in IE 7 has improved quite a bit - fixes for most of the rendering bugs and support for transparent PNG, :hover on all elements, min/max-width/height, CSS2 selectors (child, adjacent, attribute, first-child etc.) and some smaller things. On the other side, IE7 is still a way behind all the other major browsers. Also, Dean Edwards has shown with his IE7 JavaScript library [1], that it's not that hard to make IE to support many more CSS selectors and other stuff, than we see in IE7 - and this is done with JavaScript(!), imagine what could be done by editing the IE rendering engine itself? This makes you think, is Microsoft really trying that hard to improve its CSS support, or has it just making some minor enchancements, that its users have been begging for a long time? [1] http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/overview/ Rene Saarsoo ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] A research on the coding practices in web
Hi, I have conducted a research on roughly a million web pages, looking for answers to questions like: * How many pages make use of CSS / JavaScript / ... ? * How are the main web-technologies used? (which html elements, which CSS properties, ...) * How correct is the code that is used? (Valid HTML? Valid CSS2? application/xhtml+xml for XHTML?) The whole 120-page document about this research is only available in estonian, but I have put together a shorter version in english, which mostly consentrates on the results (but is still quite long read): http://www.triin.net/2006/06/12/Coding_practices_of_web_pages As Google did it's Web Authoring Statistics at the beginning of the year, I don't have much to say about HTML elements and attributes. And as my JavaScript analyzing program just refused to work, I don't have much to say about JavaScript either. But this means the major part of the research deals with CSS - properties, units, selectors, validation, etc. Hope you like it, (any comments are welcome) Rene Saarsoo ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] table or div
Ryan Moore wrote: I'm wondering what is the best (most standard way) to line up two div's together and have a border surrounding both of them. The old way I would have done it is: ... Or would I be better of with a div way of: ... The real question is: what are you trying to accomplish? What is the data those side-by-side containers are going to contain? Then think, which would be the most meaningful way to mark them up. Neither table or div is always the right approach. Rene Saarsoo ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Character Set(s)
Dean Matthews wrote: Would someone be kind enough to inform me on the selection of Character Sets. iso-8859-1, Unicode, etc. Is there a standard …or emerging standard? As the ISO in front of iso-8859-1 suggests, it is a standard. Or more precisely refers to standard ISO/IEC 8859-1. Most webpages in the world specify this as their encoding, although, what most browsers actually use in place of that is Windows-1252, which is a superset of ISO 8859-1. Well, anyway, most editors save text as Windows-1252 when you order them to save as ISO 8859-1. Unicode is covered with ISO/IEC 10646 standard. I would recommend you to read about character sets from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_encoding And if you are new to Unicode, a great introduction would be: The Absolute Minimum Every Software Developer Absolutely, Positively Must Know About Unicode and Character Sets (No Excuses!) http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html -- Rene Saarsoo ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
