Re: [WSG] IE6 - IE7
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 01:49 am, Ted Drake wrote: I don't get the paranoia. IE7 is much more secure than IE6. If you don't like IE7, you can simply uninstall it and ie6 is restored after a reboot. As a web dev, you need to install IE7 and test your sites. Ignoring it isn't going to help your web development. Ted John Faulds wrote: On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:52:17 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rahul Gonsalves wrote: I will not be allowing IE7 to be installed on my main computer, until most of the bugs have been worked out, and a couple of security updates have been applied :-). how do you go about doing this? Do you mean how to prevent IE7 being installed via automatic updates? http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=4516A6F7-5D44-482B - 9DBD-869B4A90159Cdisplaylang=en thanks for the link. i missed it the first time. too big of a hurry i guess. dwain [Humour Warning!] There is already an update available - http://ie7.com -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0) ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! Registered Linux User #355382 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] IE6 - IE7
I don't get the paranoia. IE7 is much more secure than IE6. If you don't like IE7, you can simply uninstall it and ie6 is restored after a reboot. As a web dev, you need to install IE7 and test your sites. Ignoring it isn't going to help your web development. Ted -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:38 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE6 - IE7 John Faulds wrote: On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:52:17 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rahul Gonsalves wrote: I will not be allowing IE7 to be installed on my main computer, until most of the bugs have been worked out, and a couple of security updates have been applied :-). how do you go about doing this? Do you mean how to prevent IE7 being installed via automatic updates? http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=4516A6F7-5D44-482B- 9DBD-869B4A90159Cdisplaylang=en thanks for the link. i missed it the first time. too big of a hurry i guess. dwain *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 - IE7
Ted Drake wrote: I don't get the paranoia. IE7 is much more secure than IE6. If you don't like IE7, you can simply uninstall it and ie6 is restored after a reboot. As a web dev, you need to install IE7 and test your sites. Ignoring it isn't going to help your web development. Ted Paranoia? I see a zero-day exploit, and a partly new codebase. With Microsofts' reputation for security, I'd prefer to be safe rather than sorry. Known devil, etc, etc. Either way, I only use IE (all variants) for testing. I run IE7 in an isolated virtual machine (Microsoft Virtual PC) for testing, as mentioned earlier. I just don't see the point of installing it on my main machine. Cordially, - Rahul. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 - IE7
On 20 Oct 2006, at 17:26:35, Rahul Gonsalves wrote: Ted Drake wrote: I don't get the paranoia. IE7 is much more secure than IE6. If you don't like IE7, you can simply uninstall it and ie6 is restored after a reboot. As a web dev, you need to install IE7 and test your sites. Ignoring it isn't going to help your web development. Ted Paranoia? I see a zero-day exploit, and a partly new codebase. With Microsofts' reputation for security, I'd prefer to be safe rather than sorry. Known devil, etc, etc. Either way, I only use IE (all variants) for testing. I run IE7 in an isolated virtual machine (Microsoft Virtual PC) for testing, as mentioned earlier. I just don't see the point of installing it on my main machine. It's not a zero-day exploit; it already exists in IE6 and that advisory is just a repeat of an advisory from about a year ago, with a 7 stuck on it to generate a bit of buzz. As to why MS haven't fixed it yet... I agree, though, that a virtual machine is the way to go for those who need multiple installs, especially given that Virtual PC for Windows is now a free download. I run Parallels Desktop on my MacBook with separate installs of WinXP with IE6 and IE7, and also an install of Vista (just in case IE7 somehow behaves differently there). Once I find my Win2k CD, I can have IE5 and 5.5 too, and I don't have to muck about with standalones and the potential anomalies that can arise. Regards, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 - IE7
I agree, though, that a virtual machine is the way to go for those who need multiple installs, especially given that Virtual PC for Windows is now a free download. Does using Microsoft's Virtual PC make any difference as to the legality of running the same copy of Windows on different virtual drives as was mentioned earlier in this discussion? -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 - IE7
On 10/18/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rahul Gonsalves wrote: I will not be allowing IE7 to be installed on my main computer, until most of the bugs have been worked out, and a couple of security updates have been applied :-). You are doing this even though IE 7 is supposed to be much safer than IE 6? I mean, I know it probably won't be more stable, but safe? IE 6? Hmmm? -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... portfolio.christianmontoya.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 - IE7
At 06:20 PM 19/10/2006 -0400, Christian Montoya wrote: Rahul Gonsalves wrote: I will not be allowing IE7 to be installed on my main computer, until most of the bugs have been worked out, and a couple of security updates have been applied :-).You are doing this even though IE 7 is supposed to be much safer thanIE 6? I mean, I know it probably won't be more stable, but safe? IE 6? Hmmm?there is a vulnerability already:http://secunia.com/advisories/22477/lib. ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
RE: [WSG] IE6 - IE7
The first security exploit has already come out for IE7. It would be a wise idea to hold off for a few weeks at least before installing. -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Montoya Sent: Friday, 20 October 2006 8:20 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE6 - IE7 On 10/18/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rahul Gonsalves wrote: I will not be allowing IE7 to be installed on my main computer, until most of the bugs have been worked out, and a couple of security updates have been applied :-). You are doing this even though IE 7 is supposed to be much safer than IE 6? I mean, I know it probably won't be more stable, but safe? IE 6? Hmmm? -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... portfolio.christianmontoya.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 - IE7
I ran their test and it said that my system didn't appear to be vulnerable (IE7 XP SP 2), I might add that I'm completely patched including one fix from this morning.On 20/10/06, Samuel Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first security exploit has already come out for IE7. It would be a wiseidea to hold off for a few weeks at least before installing.-- Cheers,Serdar Kilic http://weblog.kilic.net/ ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
RE: [WSG] IE6 - IE7
John Faulds ink wired: With the public release of IE7 nearly on us I'm just wondering whether it's better to download the fix to stop IE7 installing via automatic update and continue to use IE7 as a standalone, or let IE7 replace IE6 and then install a standalone for IE6. Personally, I would wait until IE7 is stable. Just change your group policy so that it does not update until you are ready, and then change the policy. -- I made magic once. Now, the sofa is gone. http://dwacon.blogspot.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] IE6 - IE7
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Re: [WSG] IE6 - IE7
Looks like that thing has been released http://neowin.net/index.php?act=viewid=35665 Time to lock one of my VirtualMachines out of software update to keep IE 6, and have the other one allowed to proceed, me thinks. Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://emps.l-c-n.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 - IE7
Rahul Gonsalves wrote: I will not be allowing IE7 to be installed on my main computer, until most of the bugs have been worked out, and a couple of security updates have been applied :-). how do you go about doing this? dwain *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 - IE7
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:52:17 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rahul Gonsalves wrote: I will not be allowing IE7 to be installed on my main computer, until most of the bugs have been worked out, and a couple of security updates have been applied :-). how do you go about doing this? Do you mean how to prevent IE7 being installed via automatic updates? http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=4516A6F7-5D44-482B-9DBD-869B4A90159Cdisplaylang=en -- Tyssen Design Web print design services www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 - IE7
John Faulds wrote: On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:52:17 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rahul Gonsalves wrote: I will not be allowing IE7 to be installed on my main computer, until most of the bugs have been worked out, and a couple of security updates have been applied :-). how do you go about doing this? Do you mean how to prevent IE7 being installed via automatic updates? http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=4516A6F7-5D44-482B-9DBD-869B4A90159Cdisplaylang=en thanks for the link. i missed it the first time. too big of a hurry i guess. dwain *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] IE6 - IE7
With the public release of IE7 nearly on us I'm just wondering whether it's better to download the fix to stop IE7 installing via automatic update and continue to use IE7 as a standalone, or let IE7 replace IE6 and then install a standalone for IE6. What would be the pros and cons of each method? -- Tyssen Design Web print design services www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 - IE7
On 10/17/06, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the public release of IE7 nearly on us I'm just wondering whether it's better to download the fix to stop IE7 installing via automatic update and continue to use IE7 as a standalone, or let IE7 replace IE6 and then install a standalone for IE6. What would be the pros and cons of each method? I have a hunch (just a hunch) that the standalone of IE 6 will be more stable than that of IE 7. Don't know if it's true, but if it is, then you would probably be better off having IE 6 as a standalone. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... portfolio.christianmontoya.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 - IE7
Christian Montoya wrote: On 10/17/06, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the public release of IE7 nearly on us I'm just wondering whether it's better to download the fix to stop IE7 installing via automatic update and continue to use IE7 as a standalone, or let IE7 replace IE6 and then install a standalone for IE6. What would be the pros and cons of each method? I have a hunch (just a hunch) that the standalone of IE 6 will be more stable than that of IE 7. Don't know if it's true, but if it is, then you would probably be better off having IE 6 as a standalone. i've never had much luck getting a standalone to work. it seems that it either replaces the current version or it does nothing at all. i'm running w2k. is there something i'm missing? i guess i really don't have an issue with ie7, except i can't run it. dwain *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] IE6 - IE7
I'm using the IE6 standalone with IE7 installed, the only problem is that the standalones don't support cookies and don't support the hack for alpha PNGs (they don't display at all) S -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Montoya Sent: Wednesday, 18 October 2006 1:19 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE6 - IE7 On 10/17/06, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the public release of IE7 nearly on us I'm just wondering whether it's better to download the fix to stop IE7 installing via automatic update and continue to use IE7 as a standalone, or let IE7 replace IE6 and then install a standalone for IE6. What would be the pros and cons of each method? I have a hunch (just a hunch) that the standalone of IE 6 will be more stable than that of IE 7. Don't know if it's true, but if it is, then you would probably be better off having IE 6 as a standalone. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... portfolio.christianmontoya.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 - IE7
I believe, that when testing, it is best to simulate the native conditions under which a browser would be used. Yeah, good point. PS: Thanks for your submit button skinning tutorial! Using it right now. No worries! :) -- Tyssen Design Web print design services www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
