Re: [WSG] Deciding on header image replacement methods
> However, I also get the same IE broken graphic when I disable images > (via the IE developer toolbar and via Internet Options) so I'm not > quite sure what you mean by "real life". Hi Nick, I have the IE toolbar too, I am using "Toggle Image/Alt" in the Images menu, *not* "Toggle Image" in the IE Options menu. The former doesn't display the broken graphic, doesn't truncate the alt text, doesn't keep the "image layout" and does the job faster. Also, if one unchecks "show pictures" in the advanced tab (Menu > Tools > Internet Options > Advanced) IE not only shows the broken graphic but also *truncate* the alt text. That's why I said in "real life", because I believe people who are used to browse with images off in IE know the "issues" I'm talking about regarding these different settings and prefer to use the method that gives them the best experience, the one that exposes the complete alt text. --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Deciding on header image replacement methods
Hi Thierry, I like your method and I'm going to give it a tryout. However, I also get the same IE broken graphic when I disable images (via the IE developer toolbar and via Internet Options) so I'm not quite sure what you mean by "real life". It's not really an issue as the few people who would be using IE with images off can still see the text and would presumably accept the fact that they have messed with the page but are not losing any of it's function. Thanks, Nick Thanks Paul Works without images & with css on Works without images & css off Works when text is scaled Also - unlike background images - real ones can be *printed* ;) If only IE wouldn't show that 'broken image' icon when images are turned off... Actually, it is only because I *break* the images path to give the user an easy way to turn it off. In "real life" (i,e,. text browsers, toggling image/alt, etc) this is not a problem. --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] Deciding on header image replacement methods
Good grief! Works without images & with css on Works without images & css off Works when text is scaled This looks a very good image replacement system, Thierry If only IE wouldn't show that 'broken image' icon when images are turned off... -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thierry Koblentz Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 3:12 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Deciding on header image replacement methods Nick Lo wrote: > I'm looking through image replacement methods and I'm curious as to > the ones others have been using and to what degree of success. > > Dave Shea has this selection... > > http://www.mezzoblue.com/tests/revised-image-replacement/ > > ...linked from... > > http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2005/03/30/image_replac/ > > ...in which he vouches for the Rundle/Phark method. > > Any thoughts/comments would be appreciated. Using an img element has a few advantages: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/tip_5.asp --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Deciding on header image replacement methods
Nick Lo wrote: > I'm looking through image replacement methods and I'm curious as to > the ones others have been using and to what degree of success. > > Dave Shea has this selection... > > http://www.mezzoblue.com/tests/revised-image-replacement/ > > ...linked from... > > http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2005/03/30/image_replac/ > > ...in which he vouches for the Rundle/Phark method. > > Any thoughts/comments would be appreciated. Using an img element has a few advantages: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/tip_5.asp --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Deciding on header image replacement methods
> I'm looking through image replacement methods and I'm curious as to > the ones others have been using and to what degree of success. > Any thoughts/comments would be appreciated. Assuming that HTML text is not an option, some people prefer the flash based alternatives such as sIFR: http://www.mikeindustries.com/sifr/ My personal preference is currently along the lines of the "Gilder/Levin Method" with an absolutely positioned image on top of the text. The reason is that HTML content is shown when images are turned off. http://www.mezzoblue.com/tests/revised-image-replacement/#gilderlevin However, like all these solutions, they have upsides and downsides. One issue is that an image is not scaleable, so could alienate some users anyway. Secondly, this method is not ideal for users with images off and a huge default font size - as the overflow cuts off the HTML content. Thirdly, it doesn't work for transparent images. And finally, it can sometimes show a flash of html content before the image loads. Like everything, it comes down to decisions based on the needs of the particular site, the users and the clients. Nothing is black and white. Russ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
