Re: [WSG] Old School Custom Font Face
On Jun 27, 2006, at 9:06 AM, Felix Miata wrote: On 06/06/09 18:40 (GMT+0100) Designer apparently typed: Felix Miata wrote: All you're really doing is trying to guarantee your visitor doesn't get to see his preferred font-family. in the real world most users don't have a 'preferred font family' It doesn't matter what most do or don't, only that most can, and any do. -- Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ Compete and utter horsecrap - if what the majority did or didn't do didn't matter, there would be no such thing as target audience, marketing, no use for visual designers at all... unless that's what you're suggesting. It seems in your perfect world there would be only pure content, and the impetus would be on the user as to how to interpret it... from every angle. How about just putting text files up and letting the user write the markup, stylesheets and scripting as well as create the logos, graphics and everything else for every site - would that finally make you happy? You can't obviously know what the color preferences are for every single person that would ever, in the history of your site being available, visit it, so you might as well just let them do it all huh? Same with any type of media - got video - well, you can't know what the user will like, so just put up raw footage so they can choose the typeface for the titles, they can choose what transitions they want. That's not how things work in the world... period, no matter what pipe dream you're envisioning. I thank every designer that uses so called mousetype that sites on the internet don't look like yours. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Old School Custom Font Face
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Re: [WSG] Old School Custom Font Face
Felix Miata wrote: All you're really doing is trying to guarantee your visitor doesn't get to see his preferred font-family. If a user cares that much about what font he sees, won't he have over-ridden author stylesheet selections in his browser? isn't CSS about *suggesting* a layout and a suitable font to the UA? or have I missed something? -- Join me: http://wiki.workalone.co.uk/ Thank me: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/registry/1VK42TQL7VD2F Engage me: http://www.boldfish.co.uk/portfolio/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Old School Custom Font Face
Tony Crockford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] isn't CSS about *suggesting* a layout and a suitable font to the UA? [...] I agree. That's how I see it, Tony! CSS is about presentation, not about control. That's why developers who do care allow said text to be freely resized by the browser and other such measures. Offering style doesn't mean one is being a control freak. At heart, there's a designer in all of us. CSS is how our sites become unique, how they speak of us or those they represent. Without styles, the Internet would have never developed beyond a researcher's medium. Great care must be taken when one person suggests another is making presentational decisions that aren't in the interest of the site visitor as there are lots of decisions can be made. But where's the demarcation line drawn? An d who decides? One person? Font size and face is bad according to some, but it's okay to force a color or spec a background on the user? Where does control end and presentation begin? Who's making the rules? Next person who complains about font-size and type face, really shouldn't have styles enabled at all on their site. Fair is fair. If suggesting styles is considered harmful (just had to use that) then that really has to apply to any styles, not just a select handful of styles. Sincerely, Mike Cherim http://green-beast.com/ http://accessites.org/ http://graybit.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Old School Custom Font Face
Felix Miata wrote: All you're really doing is trying to guarantee your visitor doesn't get to see his preferred font-family. Apart from the fact that in the real world most users don't have a 'preferred font family', I (for one) want to be educated, inspired etc when I look at sites, I don't want to impose my own boring things on the site. I want to say 'oh, that's nice', or 'wow, that font/colour goes really well here' - things like that. I do not think that I know it all, neither am I the font of all wisdom : I can learn new things by seeing 'styles' that I haven't previously encountered. I want to be shown things. So I'd be rather foolish if I made my browser overwrite 'styles' which someone has spent hours producing, to replace them with my own. Also, I'd be intensely bored if all the websites I looked at were in Verdana (which just happens to be my preferred font). Diversity is wonderful. I'd like to keep it, please. AND, I want it forced on me if I elect to look at someone else's site. -- Best Regards, Bob McClelland Cornwall (UK) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Old School Custom Font Face
Nathan Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...] Additionally, I wouldn't mix serif / sans-serif the way you did
the in
example. :)
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Hello Nathan,
I'm curious about the comment? Why not? I ask as I've done this before
myself thinking it was fine.
Say if I want Georgia as the primary type face, but don't want to back it up
with another serif-type font, like Times New Roman ('cause it's poor web
font unlike Georgia that was created just for the web), so I back it up
instead with a sans serif type font, then a sans serif generic font family
at the end.
I always thought that was just a peachy idea. But it's not?
Thanks.
Sincerely,
Mike Cherim
http://green-beast.com/
http://accessites.org/
http://graybit.com/
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From: Nathan Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Old School Custom Font Face
Tom:
Yeah, that works just fine. You can also use the font shorthand...
font: 1em Times New Roman, News Gothic, Georgia, sans-serif;
Additionally, I wouldn't mix serif / sans-serif the way you did the in
example. :)
Nathan Smith
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On 6/8/06, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello listers,
Can you string font families like this:
Font-family:News Gothic MT, Arial, Helvetica, sans serif;
In the old school font face= ?
Like this: font face= News Gothic, Arial, sans serif
Don't ask... :-(
TIA
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Re: [WSG] Old School Custom Font Face
Ah, well as long as you're aware of the change. I tend to group serifs
together, etc. If it doesn't bother you, then there's really nothing
wrong with it. More power to ya. :)
-- Nathan
On 6/8/06, Mike at Green-Beast.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nathan Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...] Additionally, I wouldn't mix serif / sans-serif the way you did
the in
example. :)
---
Hello Nathan,
I'm curious about the comment? Why not? I ask as I've done this before
myself thinking it was fine.
Say if I want Georgia as the primary type face, but don't want to back it up
with another serif-type font, like Times New Roman ('cause it's poor web
font unlike Georgia that was created just for the web), so I back it up
instead with a sans serif type font, then a sans serif generic font family
at the end.
I always thought that was just a peachy idea. But it's not?
Thanks.
Sincerely,
Mike Cherim
http://green-beast.com/
http://accessites.org/
http://graybit.com/
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Re: [WSG] Old School Custom Font Face
On 06/06/08 17:25 (GMT-0400) Mike at Green-Beast.com apparently typed:
Nathan Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...] Additionally, I wouldn't mix serif / sans-serif the way you did
the in
example. :)
I'm curious about the comment? Why not? I ask as I've done this before
myself thinking it was fine.
Say if I want Georgia as the primary type face, but don't want to back it up
with another serif-type font, like Times New Roman ('cause it's poor web
font unlike Georgia that was created just for the web), so I back it up
instead with a sans serif type font, then a sans serif generic font family
at the end.
I always thought that was just a peachy idea. But it's not?
All you're really doing is trying to guarantee your visitor doesn't get
to see his preferred font-family. A designer intimately familiar with
the finer points of typography won't find a serif font an acceptable
substitute for an unavailable sans-serif font, or vice versa. If you
can't make up your mind between serif and sans-serif, let the visitor
have a shot at what he'd rather have anyway.
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