Re: [Live-demo] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM

[Suchith Anand]

Thanks Cameron, Angelos, Giuseppe , Peter and everyone who contributed to these 
discussions. I am ccing this to discuss list so that the wider community and 
users who want a cloud service can let their  views known and  how they would 
use and benefit from an OSGeo-Live cloud service.

That way, we will get better idea if  there is need/demand and a sustaining 
community who will step up to keep the project maintained with each OSGeo-Live 
release.

All - please look though the ideas/inputs below that Cameron summarised for 
OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud service based discussions we had so far in 
education and live lists. If you are able to contribute to this , please let us 
all know. Thanks.

Suchith


From: ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of 
Angelos Tzotsos [gcpp.kal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 12:01 PM
To: live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

I realize that my previous e-mail was not received by the list so I summarize:

1. OSGeo-Live is already cloud-ready on Synnefo stack
http://www.synnefo.org/
So basically we could deploy synnefo + geneti on OSGeo infrastructure and have 
a Free Software solution.
Alternatively we could deploy an OpenStack instance.
https://www.openstack.org/software/
We should ask SAC if the above options are feasible.

2. In case we want to deploy OSGeo-Live on AWS, it seems straightforward:
http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/VMImportPrerequisites.html
https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/vm-import/

Any other options in mind?

Best,
Angelos


On 10/18/2015 01:32 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
Bringing a few different email threads back to one, and answering Suchith's 
"next steps" question:

On 16/10/2015 12:43 am, Suchith Anand wrote:
Cameron - from your experiences with OSGeo live community, what do you think is 
the best way now forward ? Can you please summarise all discussions so far and 
reply to the public lists.Thanks.

Suchith
If we are to be successful at setting up an OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud 
service, I suggest we consider:

1. Would a cloud service be used? By who?
I'd suggest that people who want a cloud service speak up, say how you would 
use an OSGeo-Live cloud service. We are looking here to determine if there is a 
sustaining community who will step up to keep the project maintained with each 
OSGeo-Live release.

2. What are the steps technically required to set up the cloud service? 
Hopefully someone will step up to do the research on what is required, and will 
set up a Proof-of-Concept.

3. What will hosting a cloud service cost? Would it be a pay-as-you-use model? 
Would we be asking the OSGeo Foundation to sponsor? Would we be asking workshop 
providers to pay for the service?
I suspect that we could ask the OSGeo Foundation for base funding to prove a 
Proof of Concept (by paying for a cloud service for 1 year or so), but ask 
workshop providers and other users to pay for the service in moving forward.
This is something that can be decided once costs are understood.

4. But the bottom line is that the best chance of success will occur if someone 
stands up and champions its development.  Do we have someone interested to do 
the hard work of making it happen? (Speak up if interested). It certainly would 
be a valuable contribution to the OSGeo community.


Warm regards, Cameron


On 14/10/2015 7:59 pm, Peter Baumann wrote:
>  1.Do you think it is important to have a cloud service that runs the 
> OSGeo-Live VM
not necessarily a cloud, as the whole OSGeo Live is not prepared.
But definitely hosting it on a VM (for easy cloning + move) is an asset - any
demo just needs to show a URL then.


>
>  2.What are the steps that we need to take to make this possible
find a caretaker with a machine.
Jacobs University can do that, for example, in tight collaboration with Angelos
on technical level.

-Peter



On 15/10/2015 2:53 am, Giuseppe Amatulli wrote:
Hi,
under the http://www.spatial-ecology.net/ initiative we  use the the 
OSGeo-Llive for courses and intensive training in Geo Computation.

In this line we have been used also Amazon Web Service to teach remote 
connection and scripting routines in the cloud. For this I was customize a 
Ubuntu Instance very similar to the  OSGeo-Llive.

Nonetheless, would be grate  to have the OSGeo-Llive directly hosted in AWS to 
allow teach but also to provide to the course participants  something that they 
can use after the course.

The AWS Educate 

 provide grants for education so maybe an official cooperation OSGeo&AWS can be 
a solution to host for free a OSGeo-Llive Instance

Best Regards
Giuseppe

On 10/13/2015 05:57 PM, Suchith Anand wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>
>Myself, Maria and Peter are now at ESA event and had a chance to catch up on 
>

Re: [Live-demo] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM

[Angelos Tzotsos]

I realize that my previous e-mail was not received by the list so I 
summarize:


1. OSGeo-Live is already cloud-ready on Synnefo stack
http://www.synnefo.org/
So basically we could deploy synnefo + geneti on OSGeo infrastructure 
and have a Free Software solution.

Alternatively we could deploy an OpenStack instance.
https://www.openstack.org/software/
We should ask SAC if the above options are feasible.

2. In case we want to deploy OSGeo-Live on AWS, it seems straightforward:
http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/VMImportPrerequisites.html
https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/vm-import/

Any other options in mind?

Best,
Angelos


On 10/18/2015 01:32 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
Bringing a few different email threads back to one, and answering 
Suchith's "next steps" question:


On 16/10/2015 12:43 am, Suchith Anand wrote:
Cameron - from your experiences with OSGeo live community, what do 
you think is the best way now forward ? Can you please summarise all 
discussions so far and reply to the public lists.Thanks.


Suchith
If we are to be successful at setting up an OSGeo-Live sustainable 
cloud service, I suggest we consider:


1. Would a cloud service be used? By who?
I'd suggest that people who want a cloud service speak up, say how you 
would use an OSGeo-Live cloud service. We are looking here to 
determine if there is a sustaining community who will step up to keep 
the project maintained with each OSGeo-Live release.


2. What are the steps technically required to set up the cloud 
service? Hopefully someone will step up to do the research on what is 
required, and will set up a Proof-of-Concept.


3. What will hosting a cloud service cost? Would it be a 
pay-as-you-use model? Would we be asking the OSGeo Foundation to 
sponsor? Would we be asking workshop providers to pay for the service?
I suspect that we could ask the OSGeo Foundation for base funding to 
prove a Proof of Concept (by paying for a cloud service for 1 year or 
so), but ask workshop providers and other users to pay for the service 
in moving forward.

This is something that can be decided once costs are understood.

4. But the bottom line is that the best chance of success will occur 
if someone stands up and champions its development.  Do we have 
someone interested to do the hard work of making it happen? (Speak up 
if interested). It certainly would be a valuable contribution to the 
OSGeo community.



Warm regards, Cameron


On 14/10/2015 7:59 pm, Peter Baumann wrote:
>  1.Do you think it is important to have a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

not necessarily a cloud, as the whole OSGeo Live is not prepared.
But definitely hosting it on a VM (for easy cloning + move) is an 
asset - any

demo just needs to show a URL then.



>
>  2.What are the steps that we need to take to make this possible

find a caretaker with a machine.
Jacobs University can do that, for example, in tight collaboration 
with Angelos

on technical level.

-Peter




On 15/10/2015 2:53 am, Giuseppe Amatulli wrote:

Hi,
under the http://www.spatial-ecology.net/ initiative we  use the the 
OSGeo-Llive for courses and intensive training in Geo Computation.


In this line we have been used also Amazon Web Service to teach 
remote connection and scripting routines in the cloud. For this I was 
customize a Ubuntu Instance very similar to the OSGeo-Llive.


Nonetheless, would be grate  to have the OSGeo-Llive directly hosted 
in AWS to allow teach but also to provide to the course participants  
something that they can use after the course.


The AWS Educate  
provide grants for education so maybe an official cooperation 
OSGeo&AWS can be a solution to host for free a OSGeo-Llive Instance


Best Regards
Giuseppe



On 10/13/2015 05:57 PM, Suchith Anand wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>
>Myself, Maria and Peter are now at ESA event and had a chance to 
catch up on ideas for future to expand education globally.

>
>
>I also remembered that few months back, we had an initial 
discussion on  the importance of having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM to help running workshops at conferences, training 
events etc. Venka made this idea in one of the Geo4All AB 
discussions on workshops at FOSS4G Bonn that i copy below

>
>
>"Instead of buying 80-100 computers, it could be a worth 
considering to pay for a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM. 
Maybe one of our sponsoring companies could be approached to deploy 
such OSGeo Software as a Service solution.Such service could be made 
available to any event/institution wishing to run their own 
workshops anywhere place on earth with a good internet connection 
and thin client. For subsequent events or users could be charged to 
cover cost of cloud hosting and paying for some developers to 
maintain the system.If the experiment is successful, we can think of 
replicating it in our globally through our local chapters."

>
>
>Me, Maria and Peter in our discussions 

Re: [Live-demo] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM

[Cameron Shorter]

Bringing a few different email threads back to one, and answering 
Suchith's "next steps" question:


On 16/10/2015 12:43 am, Suchith Anand wrote:

Cameron - from your experiences with OSGeo live community, what do you think is 
the best way now forward ? Can you please summarise all discussions so far and 
reply to the public lists.Thanks.

Suchith
If we are to be successful at setting up an OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud 
service, I suggest we consider:


1. Would a cloud service be used? By who?
I'd suggest that people who want a cloud service speak up, say how you 
would use an OSGeo-Live cloud service. We are looking here to determine 
if there is a sustaining community who will step up to keep the project 
maintained with each OSGeo-Live release.


2. What are the steps technically required to set up the cloud service? 
Hopefully someone will step up to do the research on what is required, 
and will set up a Proof-of-Concept.


3. What will hosting a cloud service cost? Would it be a pay-as-you-use 
model? Would we be asking the OSGeo Foundation to sponsor? Would we be 
asking workshop providers to pay for the service?
I suspect that we could ask the OSGeo Foundation for base funding to 
prove a Proof of Concept (by paying for a cloud service for 1 year or 
so), but ask workshop providers and other users to pay for the service 
in moving forward.

This is something that can be decided once costs are understood.

4. But the bottom line is that the best chance of success will occur if 
someone stands up and champions its development.  Do we have someone 
interested to do the hard work of making it happen? (Speak up if 
interested). It certainly would be a valuable contribution to the OSGeo 
community.



Warm regards, Cameron


On 14/10/2015 7:59 pm, Peter Baumann wrote:

>  1.Do you think it is important to have a cloud service that runs the 
OSGeo-Live VM

not necessarily a cloud, as the whole OSGeo Live is not prepared.
But definitely hosting it on a VM (for easy cloning + move) is an asset - any
demo just needs to show a URL then.



>
>  2.What are the steps that we need to take to make this possible

find a caretaker with a machine.
Jacobs University can do that, for example, in tight collaboration with Angelos
on technical level.

-Peter




On 15/10/2015 2:53 am, Giuseppe Amatulli wrote:

Hi,
under the http://www.spatial-ecology.net/ initiative we  use the the 
OSGeo-Llive for courses and intensive training in Geo Computation.


In this line we have been used also Amazon Web Service to teach remote 
connection and scripting routines in the cloud. For this I was 
customize a Ubuntu Instance very similar to the  OSGeo-Llive.


Nonetheless, would be grate  to have the OSGeo-Llive directly hosted 
in AWS to allow teach but also to provide to the course participants  
something that they can use after the course.


The AWS Educate  provide 
grants for education so maybe an official cooperation OSGeo&AWS can be 
a solution to host for free a OSGeo-Llive Instance


Best Regards
Giuseppe



On 10/13/2015 05:57 PM, Suchith Anand wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>
>Myself, Maria and Peter are now at ESA event and had a chance to catch up on 
ideas for future to expand education globally.
>
>
>I also remembered that few months back, we had an initial discussion on  the 
importance of having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM to help running 
workshops at conferences, training events etc. Venka made this idea in one of the 
Geo4All AB discussions on workshops at FOSS4G Bonn that i copy below
>
>
>"Instead of buying 80-100 computers, it could be a worth considering to pay for a 
cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM. Maybe one of our sponsoring companies could be 
approached to deploy such OSGeo Software as a Service solution.Such service could be made 
available to any event/institution wishing to run their own workshops anywhere place on 
earth with a good internet connection and thin client. For subsequent events or users could 
be charged to  cover cost of cloud hosting and paying for some developers to maintain the 
system.If the experiment is successful, we can think of replicating it in our globally 
through our local chapters."
>
>
>Me, Maria and Peter in our discussions today, thought it is good time to start 
doing something about this and have this for scaling up our education and training 
needs globally. So it will be good to get ideas from key people, so i request you 
all to give your thoughts/ideas.
>
>
>1.Do you think it is important to have a cloud service that runs the 
OSGeo-Live VM.
>
>2.What are the steps that we need to take to make this possible
>
>Looking forward to your inputs.
>
>Suchith
>
>



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