Re: [Live-demo] Motion: Move from 2 releases to 1 per year

[Regina Obe]

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On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 6:16 PM, Cameron Shorter mailto:cameron.shor...@gmail.com> > wrote:

As per weekly meeting discussion, we propose to switch from putting out two 
releases per year to putting out one main release per year.

We will likely also be putting out rolling releases which have been untested.

Reasons:

* As per prior discussions, we want to use our volunteer time more efficiently.

* We have improved build processes to be agile and efficient. However, our 
final test process still has significant manual testing. In particular around 
reviewing and updating documentation, and testing quickstarts.

Please comment and or vote on this proposal.

+1 Cameron


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Re: [Live-demo] Motion: Move from 2 releases to 1 per year

[Sebastiaan Couwenberg]

On 04/25/2017 01:16 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> As per weekly meeting discussion, we propose to switch from putting out
> two releases per year to putting out one main release per year.

-0

Release early, release often. Keep momentum by starting to work on the
next release after the most recent final release.

But that assumes there are people willing to do the work, which doesn't
seem to be the case in sufficient quantities. So don't release until
there is sufficient manpower to make a good one.

Kind Regards,

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Re: [Live-demo] Retirement and rejuvenation of past programs

[Cameron Shorter]

Thanks Hamish,

You have done some wonderful work getting projects onto OSGeo-Live, but 
I'm aware that you have less time than you've had before, and as such 
the currency of the projects on OSGeo-Live have suffered.


If you know of anyone else in each of the project communities worth 
reaching out to and asking if they can help, can you please share their 
details so one of us can contact them. (Alternatively you might have a 
personal connection with them and might want to reach out yourself).


Feel free to share publicly or privately.

Cheers, Cameron


On 25/4/17 9:38 am, Hamish B wrote:

Hi all,

to document some offline discussions here are some notes on some 
packages which I've maintained in the past. (ah those halcyon days 
when I had free moments to work on things properly...)



GMT: In theory this should just be an apt-get install and minor tweak 
to the $PATH in /etc/bash.bashrc or /etc/profile.d/.  The harder part 
is providing a decent quickstart for a complicated-to-use package. 
Package remains popular in the world of geophysics, open any AGU/EGU* 
publication, Science magazine etc and you'll see lots of GMT-produced 
maps.


[*] Hi to anyone there

MB Systems:  n.b. depends/built on GMT
 - commit metrics may show few contributers but they are full time 
funded programmers who act as the gatekeepers for community patches. 
The mailing lists and userbase is quite active.
As a meta thing I'd suggest to add some sort of mailing list/forum 
activity to the metrics as an additional indicator of project health, 
if possible. Quickstart doc could be parsed for the link?
 - Sending some needed patches to the current DebianGIS package 
maintainers is on my todo list. Alas build systems do not stand still.


OpenCPN: fun, easy to use, vibrant community, arguably better than any 
commercial offerings in the space, lots of plugins, ... but no 
marketing budget beyond word of mouth between boaties. As long as the 
packages are in good shape I'd vote to keep it going.


ZyGrib: not nearly as refined as OpenCPN but fills its niche quite 
well and puts weather forecasting in the hands of the people in a way 
that (as far as I'm aware) no other software does. Used together with 
a OpenCPN's GRIB overlay plugin there's a gorgeous gee-whiz demo 
available. I'll have to prepare a screenshot to show that off.


Sahana/Ushahidi: I really like having some blatant FOSS-for-good 
software on the disc, but the communities really need to step up here 
to maintain them. The "geo" tie may not be as "hard-geo" as geo-format 
processing tools, but at least the main work-canvas is a map and it 
passes any geo-as-global (e.g. national geographic/bbc world) test.


OSM: if metrics show Merkaartor/osmosis are withering on the vine, so 
be it.  Note some of the tools are part of the OSM data city-extract 
production tool-chain so not much extra work to keep them around. I 
assume some small background tools can be left on the disc even if a 
quickstart/summary doesn't make the cut?


R: is it "geo" enough to justify inclusion/megabytes used? (same 
question for Octave [does the m_map toolbox for Matlab work with 
Octave? FOSS-enough license?])


Viking: I haven't been paying attention to how active it is. If new 
versions are coming in from ubuntu and the install is little more than 
apt-get install I'd say keep it, otherwise if it is stalled for years 
and little interest I'd say dump it.



As a general thing, if projects want to stay they can send someone to 
help.



I'd suggest to leave GMT/MB Sys/OpenCPN/ZyGrib in my hands, and if 
updates are not in place by 15 May put non-working things onto the 
hibernation track as needed.



best regards from deep in the south pacific,
Hamish


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Re: [Live-demo] Motion: Move from 2 releases to 1 per year

[Vicky Vergara]

from pgRouting +1

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 6:16 PM, Cameron Shorter 
wrote:

> As per weekly meeting discussion, we propose to switch from putting out
> two releases per year to putting out one main release per year.
>
> We will likely also be putting out rolling releases which have been
> untested.
>
> Reasons:
>
> * As per prior discussions, we want to use our volunteer time more
> efficiently.
>
> * We have improved build processes to be agile and efficient. However, our
> final test process still has significant manual testing. In particular
> around reviewing and updating documentation, and testing quickstarts.
>
> Please comment and or vote on this proposal.
>
> +1 Cameron
>
>
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[Live-demo] What should we do about OGC Standard writups on OSGeo-Live

[Cameron Shorter]

To date, OSGeo-Live documentation has included write ups of a number of 
OGC Standards (including both English master text and translations). [1]


However, this documentation hasn't been maintained for a number of years.

As we go through rationalising what we continue to include on 
OSGeo-Live, we are wondering what should be done about OGC standards 
text on OSGeo-Live.


I'm aware of the OGC has created some material [2], which on first 
glance looks to be more complete and more current than the OSGeo-Live 
material.


I'm interested to hear thoughts (especially from the OGC) on what we 
should do in moving forward.


* Should we drop OSGeo-Live write up of OGC Standards all together, as 
it is not core business of OSGeo? (This would free up some space on 
OSGeo-Live)


* Should we provide a reference to a OGC Standards URL? If so, where 
would that be?


* Should we make a copy OGC standards into OSGeo-Live docs? If so, who 
will take responsibility for writing and maintaining the build scripts.


* Would the OGC want to investigate using OSGeo-Live's existing 
translation community to translate OGC docs? If so, how should this be 
approached and who would like to coordinate it?


Thoughts will be welcomed.

[1] https://live.osgeo.org/en/standards/standards.html

[2] https://github.com/opengeospatial/ogc_school


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Re: [Live-demo] Motion: Move from 2 releases to 1 per year

[Ben Caradoc-Davies]

+1. The rolling release should address the needs of those who need 
something more recent.


Kind regards,
Ben.


On 25/04/17 11:16, Cameron Shorter wrote:

As per weekly meeting discussion, we propose to switch from putting out
two releases per year to putting out one main release per year.

We will likely also be putting out rolling releases which have been
untested.

Reasons:

* As per prior discussions, we want to use our volunteer time more
efficiently.

* We have improved build processes to be agile and efficient. However,
our final test process still has significant manual testing. In
particular around reviewing and updating documentation, and testing
quickstarts.

Please comment and or vote on this proposal.

+1 Cameron




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[Live-demo] Retirement and rejuvenation of past programs

[Hamish B]

Hi all,

to document some offline discussions here are some notes on some packages
which I've maintained in the past. (ah those halcyon days when I had free
moments to work on things properly...)


GMT: In theory this should just be an apt-get install and minor tweak to
the $PATH in /etc/bash.bashrc or /etc/profile.d/.  The harder part is
providing a decent quickstart for a complicated-to-use package. Package
remains popular in the world of geophysics, open any AGU/EGU* publication,
Science magazine etc and you'll see lots of GMT-produced maps.

[*] Hi to anyone there

MB Systems:  n.b. depends/built on GMT
 - commit metrics may show few contributers but they are full time funded
programmers who act as the gatekeepers for community patches. The mailing
lists and userbase is quite active.
As a meta thing I'd suggest to add some sort of mailing list/forum activity
to the metrics as an additional indicator of project health, if possible.
Quickstart doc could be parsed for the link?
 - Sending some needed patches to the current DebianGIS package maintainers
is on my todo list. Alas build systems do not stand still.

OpenCPN: fun, easy to use, vibrant community, arguably better than any
commercial offerings in the space, lots of plugins, ... but no marketing
budget beyond word of mouth between boaties. As long as the packages are in
good shape I'd vote to keep it going.

ZyGrib: not nearly as refined as OpenCPN but fills its niche quite well and
puts weather forecasting in the hands of the people in a way that (as far
as I'm aware) no other software does. Used together with a OpenCPN's GRIB
overlay plugin there's a gorgeous gee-whiz demo available. I'll have to
prepare a screenshot to show that off.

Sahana/Ushahidi: I really like having some blatant FOSS-for-good software
on the disc, but the communities really need to step up here to maintain
them. The "geo" tie may not be as "hard-geo" as geo-format processing
tools, but at least the main work-canvas is a map and it passes any
geo-as-global (e.g. national geographic/bbc world) test.

OSM: if metrics show Merkaartor/osmosis are withering on the vine, so be
it.  Note some of the tools are part of the OSM data city-extract
production tool-chain so not much extra work to keep them around. I assume
some small background tools can be left on the disc even if a
quickstart/summary doesn't make the cut?

R: is it "geo" enough to justify inclusion/megabytes used? (same question
for Octave [does the m_map toolbox for Matlab work with Octave? FOSS-enough
license?])

Viking: I haven't been paying attention to how active it is. If new
versions are coming in from ubuntu and the install is little more than
apt-get install I'd say keep it, otherwise if it is stalled for years and
little interest I'd say dump it.


As a general thing, if projects want to stay they can send someone to help.


I'd suggest to leave GMT/MB Sys/OpenCPN/ZyGrib in my hands, and if updates
are not in place by 15 May put non-working things onto the hibernation
track as needed.


best regards from deep in the south pacific,
Hamish
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[Live-demo] OpenHub metrics

[Vicky Vergara]

​Hi all,

I’m about to reach out to all the OSGeo-Live projects asking them to check
their OpenHub metrics.

If you don’t get an email, and think you should, then please contact me

Regards

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[Live-demo] Motion: Move from 2 releases to 1 per year

[Cameron Shorter]

As per weekly meeting discussion, we propose to switch from putting out 
two releases per year to putting out one main release per year.


We will likely also be putting out rolling releases which have been 
untested.


Reasons:

* As per prior discussions, we want to use our volunteer time more 
efficiently.


* We have improved build processes to be agile and efficient. However, 
our final test process still has significant manual testing. In 
particular around reviewing and updating documentation, and testing 
quickstarts.


Please comment and or vote on this proposal.

+1 Cameron


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Re: [Live-demo] Fwd: Re: Geoserver, THREDDs and ncWMS on OSGeo-Live

[Brian M Hamlin]

Hi Ben -
 
  I was reviewing some old emails regarding Unidata THREDDs server and 
OSGeo-Live for netCDF and others, and I noticed that in a reply, you 
say :

 
 (as I know GeoServer much better than THREDDS)
 
   This is great to read today.. perhaps I can let go of the idea 
that Unidata THREDDs is important for the OSGeo-Live project. We never 
got real attention, although there was some interest from Unidata 
people.. 
 

  best regards from Berkeley, California
   --Brian M Hamlin
 

On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 17:08:58 1300, Ben Caradoc-Davies 
 wrote:


Brian,

what is the process for building the full OSGeo Live image itself? The
top-level README refers to bin/main.sh which does not exist. 


I got pretty far even on a LUbuntu Live VM, with git manually installed,
as an experiment. I will make a proper VM. I stuck with 16.04 as you
advised, not 16.04.1. I was able to use the script to install GeoServer
2.8.3 and the INSPIRE and CSS extensions. I think an upgrade to 2.10.x
is in order. I will need to check that we can use OpenJDK 8. 


I plan to join next week's IRC meeting. I have been following the
mailing list but not yet made myself known. I know Cameron from when I
worked in Australia, and I am probably closer to him in distance and
time zones in New Zealand than when I worked in Perth!

Kind regards,
Ben. 


On 03/11/16 05:47, Brian M Hamlin wrote:
Hi Ben - a friendly reminder about this topic -- please let me know 
if you have questions about setting up a Geoserver on OSGeo-Live 
dev.cheers --BrianOSGeo California ChapterOSGeo-Live PSC  
Original Message 

Subject: Re: Geoserver, THREDDs and ncWMS on OSGeo-Live
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2016 18:37:28 -0400
From: "Brian M Hamlin" 
To: b...@transient.nz


Hi Ben -

thanks for the reply, great to hear you are interested in GEOSERVER

Source code for the Live build system is dual-hosted on Github.com
and git.osgeo.org/gogs

https://git.osgeo.org/gogs/osgeo/OSGeoLive

The approach I use is :

clone the git repo

make a VM with -unpatched- LUbuntu 1604

clone -your- git repo of the live, make a working branch, in the VM 
once it is booted


run a few of the startup scripts (save time, ask a lot of questions here !)

In particular, I focus on python and netCDF, PostGIS / Postges, and 
some others. So I just run the install scripts that are needed for 
that.. a few blemishes are left because the SETDOWN finish does some 
housekeepping, but basically that is good and works.. they are 
well-behaved installers... 

There are a few conventions about setting up the USER assets, just 
data in a certain directory .. its not at all obscure. Again, please 
save time ans ask lots of questions


We can set up a modern GEOSERVER and get to adding some stores and 
layers and styles. I personally have done a few CSS styles, but fall 
back to SLD when in a hurry. My current GEOSERVER is 2.7x, so there 
are certainly things I dont know


We are focused on "Reference install; carefully chosen examples; 
Showcase apps"


Definitely speak up on the list .. and also I can help you get 
started at your convenience.. 


best regards from Berkeley, California
--Brian


On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 10:44:56 1300, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:

Brian,

I am happy to put my hand up for getting GeoServer into the next OSGeo
Live (as I know GeoServer much better than THREDDS). How is OSGeo Live
organised (mailing lists and resources)? What would you like from me?

I am also in touch with Ian Turton whom I think gave Cameron Shorter
some advice for a previous version of GeoServer in OSGeo Live. I have
let the GeoServer committee know about this activity. 


Kind regards,
Ben. 


On 03/10/16 07:07, Brian M Hamlin wrote:
> Hi Ben -
>
> I was reading the geoserver users mail list just now, saw your 
name, and then looked a bit at your site. 
> I am an editor on the OSGeo-Live.. over the years, I have 
focused on PostGIS, related projects,
> netCDF python stack and a few others.. This past OSGeo-Live 10 
is notable for the GDAL 2x stack. 
>

> http://live.osgeo.org (I also do the cover artwork)
> http://ct.light42.com/www_shared/osgeolive_related/
>
> In the coming dev cycle, with Live 10.5 due in January, I will 
be focusing on Openstreetmap. 
> Personally I am an intermediate level user of Geoserver.. 
>
> It has always been in the back of my mind that our OSGeo Live 
Geoserver could use
> a bit of attention, and that hiliting the THREDDS server is 
something we should collaborate
> with domain experts on.. In fact, we have a long-standing open 
invitation with the THREDDs
> people, but nothing has shipped yet.. 
>

>
> Would you be interested in either Geoserver or THREDDs on the 
OSGeo Live ?

> Do you know anyone else that would be ?
>
> thanks in advance
> ---
> Brian M Hamlin
> OSGeo California Chapter
> blog.light42.com
>



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Re: [Live-demo] Introduction

[Angelos Tzotsos]

Welcome Antonio.

We are currently using this script to install geonetwork:
https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive/blob/master/bin/install_geonetwork.sh

Regards,
Angelos


On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 5:40 PM, Antonio Cerciello <
antonio.cercie...@geocat.net> wrote:

> Hi OSGeo-Live team,
>
> I've just subscribed to the mailing list and here my short introduction:
>
> I'm Antonio Cerciello, I work in Bennekom (Netherlands) for GeoCat (
> https://www.geocat.net/).
>
> I'm a developer and in GeoCat I'm dealing with open source geospatial
> solutions.
>
> I would be really happy if I could help you with the next release. I'm
> currently looking for upgrade the version of GeoNetwork in OSGeoLive (now
> 3.0.3) to the latest version (3.2.1).
>
> I hope to be of help!
>
> Regards,
> Antonio
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[Live-demo] Introduction

[Antonio Cerciello]

Hi OSGeo-Live team,

I've just subscribed to the mailing list and here my short introduction:

I'm Antonio Cerciello, I work in Bennekom (Netherlands) for GeoCat (
https://www.geocat.net/).

I'm a developer and in GeoCat I'm dealing with open source geospatial
solutions.

I would be really happy if I could help you with the next release. I'm
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3.0.3) to the latest version (3.2.1).

I hope to be of help!

Regards,
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