Re: [lldb-dev] Adding support for FreeBSD kernel coredumps (and live memory lookup)

2021-12-06 Thread Pavel Labath via lldb-dev

On 30/11/2021 14:49, Michał Górny via lldb-dev wrote:

Hi,

I'm working on a FreeBSD-sponsored project aiming at improving LLDB's
support for debugging FreeBSD kernel to achieve feature parity with
KGDB.  As a part of that, I'd like to improve LLDB's ability of working
with kernel coredumps ("vmcores"), plus add the ability to read kernel
memory via special character device /dev/mem.


The FreeBSD kernel supports two coredump formats that are of interest to
us:

1. The (older) "full memory" coredumps that use an ELF container.

2. The (newer) minidumps that dump only the active memory and use
a custom format.

At this point, LLDB recognizes the ELF files but doesn't handle them
correctly, and outright rejects the FreeBSD minidump format.  In both
cases some additional logic is required.  This is because kernel
coredumps contain physical contents of memory, and for user convenience
the debugger needs to be able to read memory maps from the physical
memory and use them to translate virtual addresses to physical
addresses.

Unless I'm mistaken, the rationale for using this format is that
coredumps are -- after all -- usually created when something goes wrong
with the kernel.  In that case, we want the process for dumping core to
be as simple as possible, and coredumps need to be small enough to fit
in swap space (that's where they're being usually written).
The complexity of memory translation should then naturally fall into
userspace processes used to debug them.

FreeBSD (following Solaris and other BSDs) provides a helper libkvm
library that can be used by userspace programs to access both coredumps
and running kernel memory.  Additionally, we have split the routines
related to coredumps and made them portable to other operating systems
via libfbsdvmcore [1].  We have also included a program that can convert
minidump into a debugger-compatible ELF core file.


We'd like to discuss the possible approaches to integrating this
additional functionality to LLDB.  At this point, our goal is to make it
possible for LLDB to correctly read memory from coredumps and live
system.


Plan A: new FreeBSDKernel plugin

I think the preferable approach is to write a new plugin that would
enable out-of-the-box support for the new functions in LLDB.  The plugin
would be based on using both libraries.  When available, libfbsdvmcore
will be used as the primary provider for vmcore support on all operating
systems.  Additionally, libkvm will be usable on FreeBSD as a fallback
provider for coredump support, and as the provider of live memory
support.

support using system-installed libfbsdvmcore to read coredumps and
libkvm to read coredumps (as a fallback) and to read live memory.

The two main challenges with this approach are:

1) "Full memory" vmcores are currently recognized by LLDB's elf-core
plugin.  I haven't investigated LLDB's plugin architecture in detail yet
but I think the cleanest solution here would be to teach elf-core to
distinguish and reject FreeBSD vmcores, in order to have the new plugin
handle them.

2) How to integrate "live kernel" support into the current user
interface?  I don't think we should make major UI modifications to
support this specific case but I'd also like to avoid gross hacks.
My initial thought is to allow specifying "/dev/mem" as core path, that
would match how libkvm handles it.

Nevertheless, I think this is the cleanest approach and I think we
should go with it if possible.


Plan B: GDB Remote Protocol-based wrapper
=
If we cannot integrate FreeBSD vmcore support into LLDB directly,
I think the next best approach is to create a minimal GDB Remote
Protocol server for it.  The rough idea is that the server implements
the minimal subset of the protocol necessary for LLDB to connect,
and implements memory read operations via the aforementioned libraries.

The advantage of this solution is that it is still relatively clean
and can be implemented outside LLDB.  It still provides quite good
performance but probably requires more work than the alternatives
and does not provide out-of-box support in LLDB.


Plan C: converting vmcores
==
Our final option, one that's practically implemented already is to
require the user to explicitly convert vmcore into an ELF core
understood by LLDB.  This is the simplest solution but it has a few
drawbacks:

1. it is limited to minidumps right now

2. it requires storing a converted coredump which means that at least
temporarily it doubles the disk space use

3. there is possibility of cleanly supporting live kernel memory
operations and therefore reaching KGDB feature parity

We could create a wrapper to avoid having users convert coredumps
explicitly but well, we think other options are better.


WDYT?


[1] https://github.com/Moritz-Systems/libfbsdvmcore



Having a new plugin for opening these kinds of core files seems 
reasonable to me. The extra dependency i

Re: [lldb-dev] No script in lldb of build

2021-12-06 Thread David Spickett via lldb-dev
Can you link to/provide the build commands you used? It will help in
the case this is not a simple issue.

> there is no embedded script interpreter in this mode.

Probably because it didn't find Python (and/or LUA but I don't have
experience with that). To find out why, try passing
"-DLLDB_ENABLE_PYTHON=ON" to the initial cmake command
(LLDB_ENABLE_LUA if you want LUA). It defaults to auto which means if
it doesn't find Python it'll silently continue, with "ON" it'll print
an error and stop.

There are others on the list who use MacOS who can hopefully help from there.

On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 at 20:02, Pi Pony via lldb-dev
 wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I build lldb for macOS and tried to get into script but I get this error 
> message: there is no embedded script interpreter in this mode.
>
> I appreciate any help you can provide
>
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