RE: Converting Log4j code to java.util.logging

2003-10-21 Thread Ken . Liu
It's best not to get offended by Hani - if you go back and read the
archives, you'll find that every entry has the same kind of attitude, so
it's really a bit of a joke.  It is called The Bileblog, after all.

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From: Tom Eugelink [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 2:37 AM
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Subject: Re: Converting Log4j code to java.util.logging


It might be interesting, but even though I consider my english almost 
readable, I'm getting offended by this guy attitude. Not the points he 
is trying to make (in fact I agree with him on most), but the way he is 
making it.

Sullivan, Sean C - MWT wrote:

 This blog is interesting:
 
 http://www.jroller.com/page/fate/20031018#java_util_logging_shoddiness
 
 
 
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RE: Converting Log4j code to java.util.logging

2003-10-21 Thread Jacob Kjome
At 10:23 AM 10/21/2003 -0400, you wrote:
It's best not to get offended by Hani - if you go back and read the
archives, you'll find that every entry has the same kind of attitude, so
it's really a bit of a joke.  It is called The Bileblog, after all.
I think it isn't so much that he is being offensive, but annoying.  Seems 
like he likes to hear himself talk.  Makes the reading far less 
interesting.  Whether it is a joke or not, it is tiresome.

As for his point of Log4j being large, I tend to agree.  However, Log4j-1.3 
should remedy this since, I believe, it will be distributed without the log 
viewer apps in the core jar which should reduce the size significantly.  I 
still don't think it is of that much consequence.  Lots of libraries out 
there are moderately large.  However, hard disk and memory aren't exactly 
sparse these days.  There are many more important issues out there to deal 
with than the size of library dependencies.

Jake

-Original Message-
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It might be interesting, but even though I consider my english almost
readable, I'm getting offended by this guy attitude. Not the points he
is trying to make (in fact I agree with him on most), but the way he is
making it.
Sullivan, Sean C - MWT wrote:

 This blog is interesting:

 http://www.jroller.com/page/fate/20031018#java_util_logging_shoddiness



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RE: Converting Log4j code to java.util.logging

2003-10-21 Thread Mark Womack
As Jake mentioned, log4j v1.3 is going to be distributed as multiple jars.
The core jar sise will be reduced in size as Chainsaw and LF5 will be
moved to a client jar.  So, it will help.

But the point made in one of the follow up comments (ie the dependency on
jdk 1.4 for util.logging) is still very valid.  In my own work, I am finding
that official support for the 1.4 jdk is still spotty, especially from the
tool makers.  This surprises me, and I'm sure they will catch up eventually.
But using log4j allows for more flexibility from that perspective.

-Mark

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 Despite the offensiveness of the language, there is a good 
 point hidden in there.
 
 Is there a log4j shadow jar which contains only barebones 
 code that only ensures that the code compiles? This would be 
 useful when using log4j in applets during development. One 
 doesn't want to have to deploy log4j across potentially slow 
 connections once development has ended. 345k is not nothing 
 for an applet. So is there some sort of minimal 5k-or-so jar 
 that has the same interface but does nothing?
 
 Daniel
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Tom Eugelink [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 21 October 2003 07:37
 To: Log4J Users List
 Subject: Re: Converting Log4j code to java.util.logging
 
 
 It might be interesting, but even though I consider my english almost 
 readable, I'm getting offended by this guy attitude. Not the 
 points he 
 is trying to make (in fact I agree with him on most), but the 
 way he is 
 making it.
 
 Sullivan, Sean C - MWT wrote:
 
  This blog is interesting:
  
  
http://www.jroller.com/page/fate/20031018#java_util_logging_shoddiness
 
 
 
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