I'm looking for a job!

2001-01-02 Thread Leo Lapworth

Hi Folks...

As you may have heard there have been some alterations
here at Emap so I thought I'd test the market and
see what else is out there.

If you know of any decent jobs please could you
give me a yell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), and if anyone is
interested my CV, with phone number, can be found at:

http://www.cuckoo.org/people/leo/

Thanks.

Leo




Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-02 Thread Mark Fowler

  Best use of a controversial prodigy track (smash my perl up)
 
 Ooo, ooo, *have* to get that made into a t-shirt

but only if I name is right and spell it right (doh!)

On the front:

Smack My Perl Up 

On the back:

use Inline;

Is this a joke about a joke about a joke?

Later.

Mark.

-- 
print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} (
   Name  = 'Mark Fowler',Title = 'Technology Developer'  ,
   Firm  = 'Profero Ltd',Web   = 'http://www.profero.com/'   ,
   Email = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]',   Phone = '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960'  )








Getting keys of mapped hash?

2001-01-02 Thread Tony Bowden


OK, my brain has fried. 

How can I do this:

  my @list = qw/foo bar foo baz/;
  my %hash = map { $_ = 1 } @men;
  my @sort = sort keys %hash;
  print "We have @sort\n"; # foo bar baz

without the %hash?

i.e. something akin to: my @sort = sort keys map { $_ = 1 } @list;

I've tried so many variations that my brain is refusing to tell me the 
correct answer.

Tony
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Re: Getting keys of mapped hash?

2001-01-02 Thread Peter Corlett

On Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 06:35:18PM +, Tony Bowden wrote:
 i.e. something akin to: my @sort = sort keys map { $_ = 1 } @list;

I'm thinking that this might work:

my @sort=sort keys %{ +{ map { $_ = undef } @list } };



Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-02 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 Greg McCarroll wrote:
 
  [1] chad is tom greene if i recall correctly, and i just discovered he
  has a series, does anyone know anything about this series?
 
 yes. And he was in Road Trip. Which was my favourite film of 2000.
 
 Simon
 [who's looking forward to "Dude, where's my car" alot

any dates?

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Re: I'm looking for a job!

2001-01-02 Thread David Hodgkinson

"Leo Lapworth" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Hi Folks...

Leave him alone, he's mine.

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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-02 Thread Simon Wistow

Greg McCarroll wrote:

  [who's looking forward to "Dude, where's my car" alot
 
 any dates?

Never according to IMDB

http://us.imdb.com/ReleaseDates?0242423

Germany is around March. Probably out on DVD before then.



one of my chrimbo projects

2001-01-02 Thread Greg McCarroll


I was bored over Christmas and after talking to Alex I implemented a nice
little system (i'm still debugging and making it simpler), basically
i took a streaming audio server, my mp3 collection and festival and have
set up an internal ``radio station'', that plays music at random and then
in between the songs it will play any messages - such as detected
portscans / important incoming email / etc. then get back to the music.

I'm still cleaning it up, but i thought you guys would be interested.

I'll through up a webpage about it once It's finished with the code etc.

Greg

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RE: Getting keys of mapped hash?

2001-01-02 Thread Jonathan Peterson


 my @sort=sort keys %{ +{ map { $_ = undef } @list } };
^^

??

What does +{} do??? 




Re: Getting keys of mapped hash?

2001-01-02 Thread Richard Clamp

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 03:21:15PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
 
  my @sort=sort keys %{ +{ map { $_ = undef } @list } };
 ^^
 
 ??
 
 What does +{} do??? 

It says 'Yes damnit, I want an anonymous hash here, not one of those pesky
block thingies'

-- 
Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]



RE: Getting keys of mapped hash?

2001-01-02 Thread Jonathan Peterson

  What does +{} do???

 It says 'Yes damnit, I want an anonymous hash here, not one
 of those pesky
 block thingies'

Ah. Not closely related to the concept of addition then. Couldn't they have
used !%{} or +%{} or something? Also, what _IS_ +{ in this case? It's not an
operator, so is +{ simply a modified kind of open bracket with special
meaning?

Is this explained in the latested Camel, because it doesn't show up in my
pocket refernce at all




Re: Getting keys of mapped hash?

2001-01-02 Thread Peter Corlett

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 03:36:17PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
[ on +{ ... } ]
 Is this explained in the latested Camel, because it doesn't show up in my
 pocket refernce at all

It's almost a compile-time pragma, and I'm fairly sure it's in the camel.
Anyway, "perlop" has this to say:

   Unary "+" has no effect whatsoever, even on strings.  It
   is useful syntactically for separating a function name
   from a parenthesized expression that would otherwise be
   interpreted as the complete list of function arguments.
   (See examples above under the section on Terms and List
   Operators (Leftward).)

and in "perlref":

   3.  A reference to an anonymous hash can be created using
   curly brackets:

   $hashref = {
   'Adam'  = 'Eve',
   'Clyde' = 'Bonnie',
   };

   Anonymous hash and array composers like these can be
   intermixed freely to produce as complicated a
   structure as you want.  The multidimensional syntax
   described below works for these too.  The values above
   are literals, but variables and expressions would work
   just as well, because assignment operators in Perl
   (even within local() or my()) are executable
   statements, not compile-time declarations.

   Because curly brackets (braces) are used for several
   other things including BLOCKs, you may occasionally
   have to disambiguate braces at the beginning of a
   statement by putting a + or a return in front so that
   Perl realizes the opening brace isn't starting a
   BLOCK.  The economy and mnemonic value of using
   curlies is deemed worth this occasional extra hassle.

   For example, if you wanted a function to make a new
   hash and return a reference to it, you have these
   options:

   sub hashem {{ @_ } }   # silently wrong
   sub hashem {   +{ @_ } }   # ok
   sub hashem { return { @_ } }   # ok

   On the other hand, if you want the other meaning, you
   can do this:

   sub showem {{ @_ } }   # ambiguous (currently ok, but may 
change)
   sub showem {   {; @_ } }   # ok
   sub showem { { return @_ } }   # ok

   Note how the leading +{ and {; always serve to
   disambiguate the expression to mean either the HASH
   reference, or the BLOCK.



Re: I'm looking for a job!

2001-01-02 Thread Tony Bowden

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:28:37AM -, Leo Lapworth wrote:
 If you know of any decent jobs please could you
 give me a yell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), and if anyone is
 interested my CV, with phone number, can be found at:

Guessing you're among the people who aren't interested in relocating?

We've a fairly senior Perl position opening at the minute if anyone
*is* interested in relocating. I'm sure Greg can enthuse better than us
about how great N. Ireland actually is to live :)

Tony
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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-02 Thread Roger Burton West

On or about Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 04:44:20PM +, Mark Fowler typed:

4. Mission Impossible.

Only if you don't know or didn't like the original - or if you can have
your brain rewired so that you don't remember it.

R



Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-02 Thread Roger Burton West

On or about Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:06:15PM +, Mark Fowler typed:
 4. Mission Impossible.
 Only if you don't know or didn't like the original - or if you can have
 your brain rewired so that you don't remember it.
I think you're missing the point.  M.I. is crap.  Don't even get me
started on M.I.2..  But you probably want to have seen it so that
you can get references.

Well, yes; but the thing is, while I might have enjoyed it as a crap
action film, that was spoiled for me because I liked the original MI.
I have no problem with crap action films. (Commando remains one of
my favourites.)

R



Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-02 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Mark Fowler wrote:

  Where might be a good place to look for a copy of the film.
 
 U.H.F.?  Simon has a copy off of TV which we could dub to a spare VHS
 tape.
 

Wheel of Fish 

/J\
-- 
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http://www.gellyfish.com |   I'm with Grep on this one 
http://www.tackleway.co.uk   |




Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-02 Thread Simon Wistow

Simon Wistow wrote:
 
 Mark Fowler wrote:
 
  Right, that's it.  I'm going to have to compile a list of films
 
  6. Hudson Hawk. # ditto
 
 7. UHF

And, how can I forget

8. Buffy the Vampire Slayer



Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-02 Thread David H. Adler

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:05:09PM +, Richard Clamp wrote:
 
 The original Mission Impossible series, though good when I saw it at the
 tender age of 14 is the dullest most pointless thing possible to watch.

This is clearly a man who needs to see Mars Needs Women...

dha

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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-02 Thread Peter Corlett

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:13:25PM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
 Where might be a good place to look for a copy of the film.
 U.H.F.? Simon has a copy off of TV which we could dub to a spare VHS tape.

A TV broadcast seems good enough, and well within the spirit of the film.
I'd probably just digitise it (making Video CDs is a new hobby of mine), so
it'd be better to borrow the master for a few days if I could...

 There's alway's blackstar's video hunt
 http://www.blackstar.co.uk/video/item/700015733

I decline to pay more than a tenner for a VHS tape these days, and
Blackstar's service costs more than this before I've even paid for the
tape...

[And look, it says that people who bought it also bought Buffy. Is it
hardwired or something?]



Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-02 Thread David H. Adler

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:27:10PM +, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
 On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Mark Fowler wrote:
 
   Where might be a good place to look for a copy of the film.
  
  U.H.F.?  Simon has a copy off of TV which we could dub to a spare VHS
  tape.
  
 
 Wheel of Fish 

SUPPLIES!

dave, needs no stinking badgers either...

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unless you make a point of asking the informant to not eat a Snickers
while he's talking, it's all for naught.- TorgoX, #perl



RE: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-02 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Simon Wistow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 02 January 2001 17:26

 Simon Wistow wrote:
  
  Mark Fowler wrote:
  
   Right, that's it.  I'm going to have to compile a list of films
  
   6. Hudson Hawk. # ditto
  
  7. UHF
 
 And, how can I forget
 
 8. Buffy the Vampire Slayer

Ok. Let's be clear here.

There is. No reason. On Earth. To watch. This film.

It is very, very bad.

Dave...


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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-02 Thread Tony Bowden

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:13:25PM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
 U.H.F.?  Simon has a copy off of TV which we could dub to a spare VHS
 tape.
 There's alway's blackstar's video hunt
 http://www.blackstar.co.uk/video/item/700015733

Of course, were you to order now there'd be 16 people in front of you
in the queue, and as we've only found 2 copies of it in 18 months you
may be waiting a while :)

Although, that's not to say we'll suddenly find about 200 in a warehouse
somewhere like we did with Song of the South ...

Tony
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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-02 Thread Peter Corlett

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:31:53PM +, Tony Bowden wrote:
[...]
 You don't pay anything unless/until we find the tape

I badly phrased it. What I meant is that if I were to use the service and
you found a tape, the cost of the search service alone would exceed my upper
price limit. After all, it's just a promising-sounding film, and not a film
with a special meaning to me (which as it happens, /those/ special films are
readily available on DVD).



Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-02 Thread Simon Wistow

Peter Corlett wrote:
 
 (which as it happens, /those/ special films are readily available on DVD).


And take full advantage of things like the multiple camera angles. I
suspect the superior quality of a DVDs paused image and the fact that
you can forward faster are also a help :)



Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-02 Thread Redvers Davies

 A TV broadcast seems good enough, and well within the spirit of the film.
 I'd probably just digitise it (making Video CDs is a new hobby of mine), so
 it'd be better to borrow the master for a few days if I could...

Does anyone know if you can make VCD's under linux that I can play on my
DVD player?



Re: Buffy - Kevin Smith tie in

2001-01-02 Thread Nathan Torkington

Simon Wistow writes:
 Bizarre how threads come togther innit ...
 http://www.psycomic.com/columns/2000/ksmith/

I want to kill Kevin Smith and live his life.  He's the luckiest
fat fuck in the world.

Nat
(bottom lip is quivering at the injustice of it all)



Re: Buffy - Kevin Smith tie in

2001-01-02 Thread David H. Adler

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 11:11:01AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
 
 I want to kill Kevin Smith and live his life.  He's the luckiest
 fat fuck in the world.

Another thought occurs to me.  Do you actually want him dead, or just
his life? :_)

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Re: Buffy - Kevin Smith tie in

2001-01-02 Thread David H. Adler

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 11:11:01AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
 Simon Wistow writes:
  Bizarre how threads come togther innit ...
  http://www.psycomic.com/columns/2000/ksmith/
 
 I want to kill Kevin Smith and live his life.  He's the luckiest
 fat fuck in the world.

Basically, yeah.  Of course, you being an f-ing skinny bastard, you
don't really deserve it.

 Nat
 (bottom lip is quivering at the injustice of it all)

Dave, much more injustified.  Dammit.

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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-02 Thread Dave Cross

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:40:36PM +, Mark Fowler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

[from my so-called signature]
 
  The information contained in this communication is
  snip
 
 Is there anything you can do about that?  Eeeeugh!

Working on it.

I wasn't going to post at all, having realised earlier that Acxiom were
doing bad stuff to the emails, but richardc started being rude about
2001 and I couldn't hold back...

Dave...

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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-02 Thread Peter Corlett

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 06:03:25PM +, Simon Wistow wrote:
 Peter Corlett wrote:
 (which as it happens, /those/ special films are readily available on DVD).

 And take full advantage of things like the multiple camera angles. I
 suspect the superior quality of a DVDs paused image and the fact that you
 can forward faster are also a help :)

G

I didn't mean /that/ kind of "special" film... Just certain feel-good and
insightful films.



Re: Perl Geek Code

2001-01-02 Thread Michael Stevens

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 04:00:35PM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
   PLPM++I answer questions (correctly) on #london.pm

But aren't most of the questions on #london.pm of the form "shall we
go down the pub then?", to which there is a simple answer that's
almost always correct...

   PLPM+ I occasionally visit #london.pm

I like the idea that we're an actual place. Maybe a good bar or curryhouse.



Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-02 Thread Peter Corlett

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 06:15:24PM +, Redvers Davies wrote:
  A TV broadcast seems good enough, and well within the spirit of the film.
  I'd probably just digitise it (making Video CDs is a new hobby of mine), so
  it'd be better to borrow the master for a few days if I could...

 Does anyone know if you can make VCD's under linux that I can play on my
 DVD player?

In theory, yes. However my cheap HP writer is acting up, and doesn't make as
many coasters under Windoze, so I'm using that at the moment.

I've got a tarball of Linux software you're welcome to play with if you
want.



Re: Perl Geek Code

2001-01-02 Thread David Hodgkinson

Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I like the idea that we're an actual place. Maybe a good bar or curryhouse.

That wouldn't be Penderel's Oak then...

We're meeting on Thursday, right? 

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Re: new years eve

2001-01-02 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, David Cantrell wrote:

 DAV-U-CRO wrote:
 
  Twas me. But a) I'm already doing stuff tonight and b) as you point out, I 
  couldn't organise it at such sort notice.
 
 Yeah, and now that Greg's had to pull out as well it looks like it won't
 happen.  But let's sort out a date for some time in January.  Around the
 middle of the month.  How are Friday the 12th and/or 19th for people?

scuse the slow response but have been offline since dec 21st:

mid jan sound good for paranois sesh - haven't played it in a while. I
would offer to GM it but I'm not very good. Raining concrete slabs didn't
go down well nor did the slippery slimey slope of salamanders.

A.

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Re: Perl Geek Code

2001-01-02 Thread Michael Stevens

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 06:28:29PM +, David Hodgkinson wrote:
 Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  I like the idea that we're an actual place. Maybe a good bar or curryhouse.
 That wouldn't be Penderel's Oak then...
 We're meeting on Thursday, right? 

If we aren't I'm going to be getting pretty lonely drinking on my own...



Re: Perl Geek Code

2001-01-02 Thread Roger Burton West

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 07:45:56PM +, David Hodgkinson wrote:
Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 06:28:29PM +, David Hodgkinson wrote:
  We're meeting on Thursday, right? 
 If we aren't I'm going to be getting pretty lonely drinking on my own...
I'll join you. Leo said he was coming too.

I may even make it this time.

R



Re: Perl Geek Code

2001-01-02 Thread Michael Stevens

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 08:52:56PM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
 I'll join you. Leo said he was coming too.
 I may even make it this time.

I think we *are* having a proper meeting, anyway.

Looking forward to recover from spending christmas at home...

Michael



TPJ to Close?

2001-01-02 Thread Dave Cross

From Jon Orwant, via a circuitous route...

http://www.netaxs.com/~waltman/orwant_tpj.txt

Dave...

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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-02 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Mark Fowler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 2. Hackers.

great great film , if anyone disagrees we'll send all our best viruses
and worms at them! [err Mr NSA if your listening i'm using something us
brits call sarcasm]

 4. Mission Impossible.

next youll be saying top gun is considered bad


 5. Empire Records   # not crap, but badly reviewed

greet scene as the guy trys and explains why he took the kitty and
gambled it in a casino

-- 
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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-02 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 Peter Corlett wrote:
  
  (which as it happens, /those/ special films are readily available on DVD).
 
 
 And take full advantage of things like the multiple camera angles. I
 suspect the superior quality of a DVDs paused image and the fact that

and why exactly do you need a high quality paused image? tony - check his
records, has he bought basic instinct recently? ;-)

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-02 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Tony Bowden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:13:25PM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
  U.H.F.?  Simon has a copy off of TV which we could dub to a spare VHS
  tape.
  There's alway's blackstar's video hunt
  http://www.blackstar.co.uk/video/item/700015733
 
 Of course, were you to order now there'd be 16 people in front of you
 in the queue, and as we've only found 2 copies of it in 18 months you
 may be waiting a while :)
 

check beano's in croydon, they can be quite good - also skoob do some
rare tapes (in sicillian ave, next to pc bookshop)

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-02 Thread Greg McCarroll

* dcross - David Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 From: Simon Wistow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 02 January 2001 17:26
 
  Simon Wistow wrote:
   
   Mark Fowler wrote:
   
Right, that's it.  I'm going to have to compile a list of films
   
6. Hudson Hawk. # ditto
   
   7. UHF
  
  And, how can I forget
  
  8. Buffy the Vampire Slayer
 
 Ok. Let's be clear here.
 
 There is. No reason. On Earth. To watch. This film.
 

donald sutherland's facial hair 

-- 
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Re: Perl Geek Code

2001-01-02 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 07:45:56PM +, David Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
  Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
   On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 06:28:29PM +, David Hodgkinson wrote:
Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I like the idea that we're an actual place. Maybe a good bar or curryhouse.
That wouldn't be Penderel's Oak then...
We're meeting on Thursday, right? 
   
   If we aren't I'm going to be getting pretty lonely drinking on my own...
  
  I'll join you. Leo said he was coming too.
 
 I'll be there too. There will be moaning about firewalls :(
 

i'm already planning my drinks, virgin marys, pints of coke and more
virgin marys

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: I'm looking for a job!

2001-01-02 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Tony Bowden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:28:37AM -, Leo Lapworth wrote:
  If you know of any decent jobs please could you
  give me a yell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), and if anyone is
  interested my CV, with phone number, can be found at:
 
 Guessing you're among the people who aren't interested in relocating?
 
 We've a fairly senior Perl position opening at the minute if anyone
 *is* interested in relocating. I'm sure Greg can enthuse better than us
 about how great N. Ireland actually is to live :)
 

the only problem with northern ireland is my family are there, apart
from that its a great place, cheap housing, good pubs, nice people, 
5~10 minute commutes, lost of spare cash as everything is so cheap

-- 
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Re: Buffy - Kevin Smith tie in

2001-01-02 Thread David H. Adler

On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 12:32:46AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 * David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 11:11:01AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
   
   I want to kill Kevin Smith and live his life.  He's the luckiest
   fat fuck in the world.
  
  Another thought occurs to me.  Do you actually want him dead, or just
  his life? :_)
  
 
 now he didnt say he wanted him dead, he said he wanted to kill him
 - thats different

Same end result, though, no?

dha

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Fwd: [orwant@oreilly.com: The state of TPJ]

2001-01-02 Thread Dave Cross

More on the TPJ saga.

Dave...

- Forwarded message from Jon Orwant [EMAIL PROTECTED] -

Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 19:18:48 -0500
To: Jon Orwant [EMAIL PROTECTED]

January 2, 2001

Some folks have been asking me about the status of The Perl
Journal #20, and prospective authors have been asking me
about deadlines for future issues.  The answers: TPJ #20 is
in press and ready to print, but EarthWeb (the owner of TPJ)
has told the printer to stop the presses until further
notice.  I am currently responding to proposals sent to me
with approximately "I don't know if there's going to be
another issue, but when I do I'll respond to your proposal."

Since the future of the magazine is in doubt, I can't in
good conscience greenlight proposals; I will not encourage
an author to spend weeks writing an article when I know that
it might never be printed.  So I've told people who've asked
what I know about the current situation: while EarthWeb has
sold many of its properties to internet.com so that it can
focus on "career services", it has not sold TPJ.  However,
EarthWeb has also made it clear that they don't want to
publish TPJ any more.

This story has started to leak out to the Perl community and
has already mutated a bit in not-quite-correct directions,
so I wanted to write this note to set the record straight.
Or as straight as I can, given what little I know about
EarthWeb's decisions.  

While TPJ's future is very much up in the air, people
shouldn't take this as any indicator about Perl itself.  
TPJ was doing just fine back when I ran it, there's no
shortage of content out there, and the magazine could easily
go bimonthly and then monthly -- indeed, when EarthWeb
acquired TPJ I had thought that was the plan.  I still enjoy
the editing, the authors enjoy the writing, and the 
designers enjoy the designing.  What happens now is up to
EarthWeb.  And no, I'm not suggesting that people bombard
them with email.  Heck, they just laid off 100 people, so
I'm not even sure who to bombard.  Eventually there will be
some resolution, and when there is I'll write again to let
everyone know.

As of December 27th, this matter is now in the courts, and
so I have to adopt the "just the facts" tone of this letter
without portraying my opinions.  Someday I'll be able to
talk more about what is happening in these strange days;
until then, you'll have to conjure up your own adjectives on
my behalf.

Cheers,

Jon Orwant

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