I'm looking for a job!
Hi Folks... As you may have heard there have been some alterations here at Emap so I thought I'd test the market and see what else is out there. If you know of any decent jobs please could you give me a yell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), and if anyone is interested my CV, with phone number, can be found at: http://www.cuckoo.org/people/leo/ Thanks. Leo
Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623
Best use of a controversial prodigy track (smash my perl up) Ooo, ooo, *have* to get that made into a t-shirt but only if I name is right and spell it right (doh!) On the front: Smack My Perl Up On the back: use Inline; Is this a joke about a joke about a joke? Later. Mark. -- print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} ( Name = 'Mark Fowler',Title = 'Technology Developer' , Firm = 'Profero Ltd',Web = 'http://www.profero.com/' , Email = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', Phone = '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960' )
Getting keys of mapped hash?
OK, my brain has fried. How can I do this: my @list = qw/foo bar foo baz/; my %hash = map { $_ = 1 } @men; my @sort = sort keys %hash; print "We have @sort\n"; # foo bar baz without the %hash? i.e. something akin to: my @sort = sort keys map { $_ = 1 } @list; I've tried so many variations that my brain is refusing to tell me the correct answer. Tony -- - Tony Bowden | Belfast, NI | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.tmtm.com | www.blackstar.co.uk he knows the use of ashes, he worships God with ashes -
Re: Getting keys of mapped hash?
On Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 06:35:18PM +, Tony Bowden wrote: i.e. something akin to: my @sort = sort keys map { $_ = 1 } @list; I'm thinking that this might work: my @sort=sort keys %{ +{ map { $_ = undef } @list } };
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* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greg McCarroll wrote: [1] chad is tom greene if i recall correctly, and i just discovered he has a series, does anyone know anything about this series? yes. And he was in Road Trip. Which was my favourite film of 2000. Simon [who's looking forward to "Dude, where's my car" alot any dates? -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: I'm looking for a job!
"Leo Lapworth" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Folks... Leave him alone, he's mine. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire -
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Greg McCarroll wrote: [who's looking forward to "Dude, where's my car" alot any dates? Never according to IMDB http://us.imdb.com/ReleaseDates?0242423 Germany is around March. Probably out on DVD before then.
one of my chrimbo projects
I was bored over Christmas and after talking to Alex I implemented a nice little system (i'm still debugging and making it simpler), basically i took a streaming audio server, my mp3 collection and festival and have set up an internal ``radio station'', that plays music at random and then in between the songs it will play any messages - such as detected portscans / important incoming email / etc. then get back to the music. I'm still cleaning it up, but i thought you guys would be interested. I'll through up a webpage about it once It's finished with the code etc. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
RE: Getting keys of mapped hash?
my @sort=sort keys %{ +{ map { $_ = undef } @list } }; ^^ ?? What does +{} do???
Re: Getting keys of mapped hash?
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 03:21:15PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote: my @sort=sort keys %{ +{ map { $_ = undef } @list } }; ^^ ?? What does +{} do??? It says 'Yes damnit, I want an anonymous hash here, not one of those pesky block thingies' -- Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Getting keys of mapped hash?
What does +{} do??? It says 'Yes damnit, I want an anonymous hash here, not one of those pesky block thingies' Ah. Not closely related to the concept of addition then. Couldn't they have used !%{} or +%{} or something? Also, what _IS_ +{ in this case? It's not an operator, so is +{ simply a modified kind of open bracket with special meaning? Is this explained in the latested Camel, because it doesn't show up in my pocket refernce at all
Re: Getting keys of mapped hash?
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 03:36:17PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote: [ on +{ ... } ] Is this explained in the latested Camel, because it doesn't show up in my pocket refernce at all It's almost a compile-time pragma, and I'm fairly sure it's in the camel. Anyway, "perlop" has this to say: Unary "+" has no effect whatsoever, even on strings. It is useful syntactically for separating a function name from a parenthesized expression that would otherwise be interpreted as the complete list of function arguments. (See examples above under the section on Terms and List Operators (Leftward).) and in "perlref": 3. A reference to an anonymous hash can be created using curly brackets: $hashref = { 'Adam' = 'Eve', 'Clyde' = 'Bonnie', }; Anonymous hash and array composers like these can be intermixed freely to produce as complicated a structure as you want. The multidimensional syntax described below works for these too. The values above are literals, but variables and expressions would work just as well, because assignment operators in Perl (even within local() or my()) are executable statements, not compile-time declarations. Because curly brackets (braces) are used for several other things including BLOCKs, you may occasionally have to disambiguate braces at the beginning of a statement by putting a + or a return in front so that Perl realizes the opening brace isn't starting a BLOCK. The economy and mnemonic value of using curlies is deemed worth this occasional extra hassle. For example, if you wanted a function to make a new hash and return a reference to it, you have these options: sub hashem {{ @_ } } # silently wrong sub hashem { +{ @_ } } # ok sub hashem { return { @_ } } # ok On the other hand, if you want the other meaning, you can do this: sub showem {{ @_ } } # ambiguous (currently ok, but may change) sub showem { {; @_ } } # ok sub showem { { return @_ } } # ok Note how the leading +{ and {; always serve to disambiguate the expression to mean either the HASH reference, or the BLOCK.
Re: I'm looking for a job!
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:28:37AM -, Leo Lapworth wrote: If you know of any decent jobs please could you give me a yell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), and if anyone is interested my CV, with phone number, can be found at: Guessing you're among the people who aren't interested in relocating? We've a fairly senior Perl position opening at the minute if anyone *is* interested in relocating. I'm sure Greg can enthuse better than us about how great N. Ireland actually is to live :) Tony -- - Tony Bowden | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.blackstar.co.uk/ Black Star |The UK's Biggest Video DVD store * Free Postage Worldwide -
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On or about Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 04:44:20PM +, Mark Fowler typed: 4. Mission Impossible. Only if you don't know or didn't like the original - or if you can have your brain rewired so that you don't remember it. R
Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623
On or about Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:06:15PM +, Mark Fowler typed: 4. Mission Impossible. Only if you don't know or didn't like the original - or if you can have your brain rewired so that you don't remember it. I think you're missing the point. M.I. is crap. Don't even get me started on M.I.2.. But you probably want to have seen it so that you can get references. Well, yes; but the thing is, while I might have enjoyed it as a crap action film, that was spoiled for me because I liked the original MI. I have no problem with crap action films. (Commando remains one of my favourites.) R
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Mark Fowler wrote: Where might be a good place to look for a copy of the film. U.H.F.? Simon has a copy off of TV which we could dub to a spare VHS tape. Wheel of Fish /J\ -- Jonathan Stowe | http://www.gellyfish.com | I'm with Grep on this one http://www.tackleway.co.uk |
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Simon Wistow wrote: Mark Fowler wrote: Right, that's it. I'm going to have to compile a list of films 6. Hudson Hawk. # ditto 7. UHF And, how can I forget 8. Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:05:09PM +, Richard Clamp wrote: The original Mission Impossible series, though good when I saw it at the tender age of 14 is the dullest most pointless thing possible to watch. This is clearly a man who needs to see Mars Needs Women... dha -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ Hello breasts! - subbes
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On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:13:25PM +, Mark Fowler wrote: Where might be a good place to look for a copy of the film. U.H.F.? Simon has a copy off of TV which we could dub to a spare VHS tape. A TV broadcast seems good enough, and well within the spirit of the film. I'd probably just digitise it (making Video CDs is a new hobby of mine), so it'd be better to borrow the master for a few days if I could... There's alway's blackstar's video hunt http://www.blackstar.co.uk/video/item/700015733 I decline to pay more than a tenner for a VHS tape these days, and Blackstar's service costs more than this before I've even paid for the tape... [And look, it says that people who bought it also bought Buffy. Is it hardwired or something?]
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On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:27:10PM +, Jonathan Stowe wrote: On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Mark Fowler wrote: Where might be a good place to look for a copy of the film. U.H.F.? Simon has a copy off of TV which we could dub to a spare VHS tape. Wheel of Fish SUPPLIES! dave, needs no stinking badgers either... -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ And you know, you can have all the good audio gear in the world, but unless you make a point of asking the informant to not eat a Snickers while he's talking, it's all for naught.- TorgoX, #perl
RE: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623
From: Simon Wistow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 January 2001 17:26 Simon Wistow wrote: Mark Fowler wrote: Right, that's it. I'm going to have to compile a list of films 6. Hudson Hawk. # ditto 7. UHF And, how can I forget 8. Buffy the Vampire Slayer Ok. Let's be clear here. There is. No reason. On Earth. To watch. This film. It is very, very bad. Dave... The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:13:25PM +, Mark Fowler wrote: U.H.F.? Simon has a copy off of TV which we could dub to a spare VHS tape. There's alway's blackstar's video hunt http://www.blackstar.co.uk/video/item/700015733 Of course, were you to order now there'd be 16 people in front of you in the queue, and as we've only found 2 copies of it in 18 months you may be waiting a while :) Although, that's not to say we'll suddenly find about 200 in a warehouse somewhere like we did with Song of the South ... Tony -- - Tony Bowden | Belfast, NI | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.tmtm.com | www.blackstar.co.uk Sue sews crow's clothes. Slow Joe Crow sews whose clothes? Sue's clothes -
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On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:31:53PM +, Tony Bowden wrote: [...] You don't pay anything unless/until we find the tape I badly phrased it. What I meant is that if I were to use the service and you found a tape, the cost of the search service alone would exceed my upper price limit. After all, it's just a promising-sounding film, and not a film with a special meaning to me (which as it happens, /those/ special films are readily available on DVD).
Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623
Peter Corlett wrote: (which as it happens, /those/ special films are readily available on DVD). And take full advantage of things like the multiple camera angles. I suspect the superior quality of a DVDs paused image and the fact that you can forward faster are also a help :)
Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623
A TV broadcast seems good enough, and well within the spirit of the film. I'd probably just digitise it (making Video CDs is a new hobby of mine), so it'd be better to borrow the master for a few days if I could... Does anyone know if you can make VCD's under linux that I can play on my DVD player?
Re: Buffy - Kevin Smith tie in
Simon Wistow writes: Bizarre how threads come togther innit ... http://www.psycomic.com/columns/2000/ksmith/ I want to kill Kevin Smith and live his life. He's the luckiest fat fuck in the world. Nat (bottom lip is quivering at the injustice of it all)
Re: Buffy - Kevin Smith tie in
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 11:11:01AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: I want to kill Kevin Smith and live his life. He's the luckiest fat fuck in the world. Another thought occurs to me. Do you actually want him dead, or just his life? :_) -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ "i don't play lead. it interferes with my drinking." - Malcolm Young
Re: Buffy - Kevin Smith tie in
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 11:11:01AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: Simon Wistow writes: Bizarre how threads come togther innit ... http://www.psycomic.com/columns/2000/ksmith/ I want to kill Kevin Smith and live his life. He's the luckiest fat fuck in the world. Basically, yeah. Of course, you being an f-ing skinny bastard, you don't really deserve it. Nat (bottom lip is quivering at the injustice of it all) Dave, much more injustified. Dammit. -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ SURF MUSIC makes EVERYTHING better! - Tom Servo
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On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:40:36PM +, Mark Fowler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [from my so-called signature] The information contained in this communication is snip Is there anything you can do about that? Eeeeugh! Working on it. I wasn't going to post at all, having realised earlier that Acxiom were doing bad stuff to the emails, but richardc started being rude about 2001 and I couldn't hold back... Dave... -- http://www.dave.org.uk | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] plugData Munging with Perl http://www.manning.com/cross//plug
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On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 06:03:25PM +, Simon Wistow wrote: Peter Corlett wrote: (which as it happens, /those/ special films are readily available on DVD). And take full advantage of things like the multiple camera angles. I suspect the superior quality of a DVDs paused image and the fact that you can forward faster are also a help :) G I didn't mean /that/ kind of "special" film... Just certain feel-good and insightful films.
Re: Perl Geek Code
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 04:00:35PM +, Mark Fowler wrote: PLPM++I answer questions (correctly) on #london.pm But aren't most of the questions on #london.pm of the form "shall we go down the pub then?", to which there is a simple answer that's almost always correct... PLPM+ I occasionally visit #london.pm I like the idea that we're an actual place. Maybe a good bar or curryhouse.
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On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 06:15:24PM +, Redvers Davies wrote: A TV broadcast seems good enough, and well within the spirit of the film. I'd probably just digitise it (making Video CDs is a new hobby of mine), so it'd be better to borrow the master for a few days if I could... Does anyone know if you can make VCD's under linux that I can play on my DVD player? In theory, yes. However my cheap HP writer is acting up, and doesn't make as many coasters under Windoze, so I'm using that at the moment. I've got a tarball of Linux software you're welcome to play with if you want.
Re: Perl Geek Code
Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like the idea that we're an actual place. Maybe a good bar or curryhouse. That wouldn't be Penderel's Oak then... We're meeting on Thursday, right? -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire -
Re: new years eve
On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, David Cantrell wrote: DAV-U-CRO wrote: Twas me. But a) I'm already doing stuff tonight and b) as you point out, I couldn't organise it at such sort notice. Yeah, and now that Greg's had to pull out as well it looks like it won't happen. But let's sort out a date for some time in January. Around the middle of the month. How are Friday the 12th and/or 19th for people? scuse the slow response but have been offline since dec 21st: mid jan sound good for paranois sesh - haven't played it in a while. I would offer to GM it but I'm not very good. Raining concrete slabs didn't go down well nor did the slippery slimey slope of salamanders. A. -- A HREF = "http://termisoc.org/~betty" Betty @ termisoc.org /A "As a youngster Fred fought sea battles on the village pond using a complex system of signals he devised that was later adopted by the Royal Navy. " (this email has nothing to do with any organisation except me)
Re: Perl Geek Code
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 06:28:29PM +, David Hodgkinson wrote: Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like the idea that we're an actual place. Maybe a good bar or curryhouse. That wouldn't be Penderel's Oak then... We're meeting on Thursday, right? If we aren't I'm going to be getting pretty lonely drinking on my own...
Re: Perl Geek Code
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 07:45:56PM +, David Hodgkinson wrote: Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 06:28:29PM +, David Hodgkinson wrote: We're meeting on Thursday, right? If we aren't I'm going to be getting pretty lonely drinking on my own... I'll join you. Leo said he was coming too. I may even make it this time. R
Re: Perl Geek Code
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 08:52:56PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: I'll join you. Leo said he was coming too. I may even make it this time. I think we *are* having a proper meeting, anyway. Looking forward to recover from spending christmas at home... Michael
TPJ to Close?
From Jon Orwant, via a circuitous route... http://www.netaxs.com/~waltman/orwant_tpj.txt Dave... -- http://www.dave.org.uk | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] plugData Munging with Perl http://www.manning.com/cross//plug
Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623
* Mark Fowler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: 2. Hackers. great great film , if anyone disagrees we'll send all our best viruses and worms at them! [err Mr NSA if your listening i'm using something us brits call sarcasm] 4. Mission Impossible. next youll be saying top gun is considered bad 5. Empire Records # not crap, but badly reviewed greet scene as the guy trys and explains why he took the kitty and gambled it in a casino -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
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* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Peter Corlett wrote: (which as it happens, /those/ special films are readily available on DVD). And take full advantage of things like the multiple camera angles. I suspect the superior quality of a DVDs paused image and the fact that and why exactly do you need a high quality paused image? tony - check his records, has he bought basic instinct recently? ;-) -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
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* Tony Bowden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:13:25PM +, Mark Fowler wrote: U.H.F.? Simon has a copy off of TV which we could dub to a spare VHS tape. There's alway's blackstar's video hunt http://www.blackstar.co.uk/video/item/700015733 Of course, were you to order now there'd be 16 people in front of you in the queue, and as we've only found 2 copies of it in 18 months you may be waiting a while :) check beano's in croydon, they can be quite good - also skoob do some rare tapes (in sicillian ave, next to pc bookshop) -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
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* dcross - David Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: Simon Wistow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 January 2001 17:26 Simon Wistow wrote: Mark Fowler wrote: Right, that's it. I'm going to have to compile a list of films 6. Hudson Hawk. # ditto 7. UHF And, how can I forget 8. Buffy the Vampire Slayer Ok. Let's be clear here. There is. No reason. On Earth. To watch. This film. donald sutherland's facial hair -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Perl Geek Code
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 07:45:56PM +, David Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 06:28:29PM +, David Hodgkinson wrote: Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like the idea that we're an actual place. Maybe a good bar or curryhouse. That wouldn't be Penderel's Oak then... We're meeting on Thursday, right? If we aren't I'm going to be getting pretty lonely drinking on my own... I'll join you. Leo said he was coming too. I'll be there too. There will be moaning about firewalls :( i'm already planning my drinks, virgin marys, pints of coke and more virgin marys -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: I'm looking for a job!
* Tony Bowden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:28:37AM -, Leo Lapworth wrote: If you know of any decent jobs please could you give me a yell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), and if anyone is interested my CV, with phone number, can be found at: Guessing you're among the people who aren't interested in relocating? We've a fairly senior Perl position opening at the minute if anyone *is* interested in relocating. I'm sure Greg can enthuse better than us about how great N. Ireland actually is to live :) the only problem with northern ireland is my family are there, apart from that its a great place, cheap housing, good pubs, nice people, 5~10 minute commutes, lost of spare cash as everything is so cheap -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Buffy - Kevin Smith tie in
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 12:32:46AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 11:11:01AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: I want to kill Kevin Smith and live his life. He's the luckiest fat fuck in the world. Another thought occurs to me. Do you actually want him dead, or just his life? :_) now he didnt say he wanted him dead, he said he wanted to kill him - thats different Same end result, though, no? dha -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ And, considering the prevalence of displaced psychiatric patients among the ranks of the homeless, the viewpoints are usually guaranteed to involve aliens or 7 foot tall magical cats. - Mark Rogaski
Fwd: [orwant@oreilly.com: The state of TPJ]
More on the TPJ saga. Dave... - Forwarded message from Jon Orwant [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 19:18:48 -0500 To: Jon Orwant [EMAIL PROTECTED] January 2, 2001 Some folks have been asking me about the status of The Perl Journal #20, and prospective authors have been asking me about deadlines for future issues. The answers: TPJ #20 is in press and ready to print, but EarthWeb (the owner of TPJ) has told the printer to stop the presses until further notice. I am currently responding to proposals sent to me with approximately "I don't know if there's going to be another issue, but when I do I'll respond to your proposal." Since the future of the magazine is in doubt, I can't in good conscience greenlight proposals; I will not encourage an author to spend weeks writing an article when I know that it might never be printed. So I've told people who've asked what I know about the current situation: while EarthWeb has sold many of its properties to internet.com so that it can focus on "career services", it has not sold TPJ. However, EarthWeb has also made it clear that they don't want to publish TPJ any more. This story has started to leak out to the Perl community and has already mutated a bit in not-quite-correct directions, so I wanted to write this note to set the record straight. Or as straight as I can, given what little I know about EarthWeb's decisions. While TPJ's future is very much up in the air, people shouldn't take this as any indicator about Perl itself. TPJ was doing just fine back when I ran it, there's no shortage of content out there, and the magazine could easily go bimonthly and then monthly -- indeed, when EarthWeb acquired TPJ I had thought that was the plan. I still enjoy the editing, the authors enjoy the writing, and the designers enjoy the designing. What happens now is up to EarthWeb. And no, I'm not suggesting that people bombard them with email. Heck, they just laid off 100 people, so I'm not even sure who to bombard. Eventually there will be some resolution, and when there is I'll write again to let everyone know. As of December 27th, this matter is now in the courts, and so I have to adopt the "just the facts" tone of this letter without portraying my opinions. Someday I'll be able to talk more about what is happening in these strange days; until then, you'll have to conjure up your own adjectives on my behalf. Cheers, Jon Orwant - End forwarded message - -- http://www.dave.org.uk | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] plugData Munging with Perl http://www.manning.com/cross//plug