Re: OT: Cheapo vps hosting
On 21 Jun 2013, at 14:08, Mark Fowler wrote: On Friday, 21 June 2013 at 08:54, Ben Tisdall wrote: I'm moving to Germany and would like to maintain a UK IP address while there, primarily to run a web proxy. Maybe you should consider a VPN solution instead. I've used StrongVPN to do this. Maybe you should both consider as traitors of the empire you no longer deserve the BBC! G.
Re: Scope of variables in a function
On 1 Jun 2013, at 18:23, Dirk Koopman wrote: It is very annoying. The more so because this is an artefact that is (apparently) relied on by a lot of legacy code. Quite a lot of other perl artefacts have been deprecated and then removed. Why does this one persist? In what way is it useful or intuitive? Yes but mixing declarations and conditionals is a bit like demanding the waiter bring you your main course and pudding in the same plate and then complaining when it tastes funny. There is a certain cost to providing a rich language like Perl in terms of complexity and sometimes you have to accept that you have to read the documentation. I'm sure someone like Nick can give a better response, G.
Re: Alternative sources of Perl programmers
On 14 May 2013, at 14:34, Aaron Trevena wrote: On 14 May 2013 14:10, Dave Cross d...@dave.org.uk wrote: Quoting Aaron Trevena aaron.trev...@gmail.com: or you could get a trainer onsite. That sounds like a *fabulous* idea :-) bbcOther perl trainers are available/bbc ;) I don't think training is the answer always here, i think what you need is decent mentoring. And the funny thing is i think that could almost come better from outside the company. I sort of suspect it might even be better served from outside the company so people get a different perspective than 'the one true way'. G.
Re: Alternative sources of Perl programmers
On 14 May 2013, at 14:43, Ben Vinnerd wrote: I live in the North West and recently I saw a contract at Jobsite in Hampshire (i.e. a long way away). I spoke to the agent and they don't allow WFH (is this the agent not allowing me? Or Jobsite?). I don't want to unleash the dogs of war and also the hyena of paranoia but this could be related to IR35 and the differences between the control/tax/etc in a services contract and a contractor employment for the agency. G.
Re: URL shorteners (was: Re: ISNIC DNS)
On 8 May 2013, at 17:09, Peter Corlett wrote: The real problem is browser support of Gopher. None of the common popular browsers support it any more. Clearly they are not fit for purpose then! ;-) G.
Re: API wrapper best practices?
On 25 Mar 2013, at 15:23, David Cantrell wrote: I don't like the way that some API modules have eleventy bajillion objects which get in the damned way of the data. OTOH when I do want objects, I *really* want them. I once worked with a company who worked with another company who had brought in IBM. And nobody had told the nice people at IBM that they wanted a CORBA interface to upload live content, you know trivial little bits of content, like oh say for example horse racing results . not important at all when it comes to time and bookies shops. I want to play Henry Gondorff when we make a move about this. Anyway big blue through no fault of their own were hustled into making it all Java and CORBA so they could get this little bit of extra functionality without paying for it. The result was a clusterfuck. It was 10+ calls to get something achieved. So what's the lesson? User stories are the key to good API wrappers. By all means use the autogenerated stuff and put in place over the top of them helper classes to achieve things. You will never automate in place of just thinking about the problem, never. And once you have the problem understood, if its inefficient, you can adapt the base clases you have built above. The VCS toolset on CPAN (that im also blaming Leon for) is a great example of failure, the DBI and subsequent DBIx::Class toolsets are examples where people got it right. I actually despite its tumultuous start believe that DBIx::Class is one of the best examples of taking a good foundation (DBI/DBD) and standing on the shoulders of giants in the CPAN world and delivering a world class API - that in my opinion shames JDBC. G.
Re: Raising Perl awareness on Tiobe + Wikipedia, etc.
On 21 Mar 2013, at 12:00, David Cantrell wrote: On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 11:18:50AM +, Dave Mitchell wrote: I was using Server-Side JavaScript (the moral equivalent of mod_perl) to write web applications using Netscape's Enterprise Web Server back around 1998. So JS has been more than just a web browser thing for a lot longer than most people realise. Please don't ever mention that abomination again. I just lost a SAN point. You know i could be persuaded to GM a F***ngo / Z**ki based CotC based game as a one off. I suspect NDA's and good scotch may be required, but I can already see the possibilities. G. p.s. i reserve the right to roll into CotC the RPG some of the rules from Ghostbusters the RPG. p.p.s. and traveller, and yes you might die during character creation. p.p.p.s. If people re interested in this, i believe the gunmakers arms would be open to a one off RPG being run in their establishment.
Re: Raising Perl awareness on Tiobe + Wikipedia, etc.
On 21 Mar 2013, at 14:46, David Dorward wrote: For a moment I thought that was a Palladium game and nearly took more SAN damage, but it appears to be a WEG d6er so phew. GM: You take unknown points of SAN damage. DD: You can't do that. GM: Maybe i didn't? DD: I go speak to a psychologist to check if I'm still sane? GM: You think you do, maybe you did maybe you didn't. Your psychologist says you are. Ho hum. I've just realised Games Master and my initials are the same ;-) Spengler: Let's cross the streams DD: I thought you said that as a bad idea Spengler. GM: Who are you talking too? There is just an IBM consultant looking at the SAN FS configuration in the room. G.
Re: Raising Perl awareness on Tiobe + Wikipedia, etc.
On 20 Mar 2013, at 08:20, AJ Dhaliwal wrote: It is possible that Perl became less of the duct tape of the internet because of JavaScript. Didn't know Perl ever competed with Javascript? I think at a certain point UI/UX became more important than just serving up information, Flickr might be the most significant milestone of this change. This arguably made JS a more significant language for web development. Now throw in node.js and recently you could build another argument for the importance of JS. G.
Re: New perl features?
Good topic! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGW2w6PdnE8 G. On 19 Mar 2013, at 14:39, David Cantrell wrote: I'd like to talk about cheese. Then start a new thread under a relevant subject. Netiquette 101. -- David Cantrell | A machine for turning tea into grumpiness Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Morbi nec turpis lorem. Donec eu erat vitae quam convallis feugiat in scelerisque nunc. Donec ut quam enim, in suscipit nisi. Nullam accumsan luctus mattis. Maecenas non lectus nec felis commodo faucibus. Donec hendrerit, mauris quis dictum molestie, mauris dui mattis dui, sed venenatis sapien est ut lectus. Quisque ante massa, ultricies quis imperdiet ut, scelerisque id metus. Vivamus ornare lorem orci, ac facilisis tortor. Vestibulum tempus mi in lacus mollis eu pharetra orci lobortis. Curabitur hendrerit quam a enim placerat porttitor. Sed eu nisl at augue dapibus aliquam. Cum sociis natoque penatibus et magnis dis parturient montes, nascetur ridiculus mus. Nulla facilisi. Integer molestie urna vitae nisi tincidunt egestas. Fusce at sapien quis arcu mollis feugiat. Vestibulum sed ligula dolor. Integer pellentesque, velit non egestas varius, felis nibh faucibus arcu, quis mattis libero libero at odio. Quisque malesuada adipiscing ullamcorper. Nullam risus velit, aliquam a aliquam in, viverra id enim. Nulla facilisi. Vestibulum turpis purus, vestibulum ut mattis et, consectetur at dui. Morbi molestie, nisi sit amet mollis tristique, lorem nunc dapibus ipsum, eu viverra justo diam et nunc. Aliquam aliquam consequat augue, vitae ultricies lorem ornare vulputate. Fusce cursus massa ut arcu rutrum aliquet. Vestibulum volutpat bibendum nisl id ullamcorper. Vestibulum varius elit in tortor faucibus egestas. Ut laoreet feugiat lorem at consequat. Praesent accumsan, nulla ac pellentesque ornare, nisi neque imperdiet dolor, sed facilisis augue tortor at enim. Donec ut velit eu neque vestibulum fringilla eget nec leo. Phasellus nunc ante, ultrices non aliquet eget, gravida et elit. Sed non felis mi. Ut pharetra condimentum fermentum. Suspendisse a tortor lorem. Duis ornare blandit est vel pharetra. Etiam eget mi mattis nunc lobortis semper. Aliquam erat volutpat. Praesent sem mauris, venenatis eu euismod non, facilisis sed quam. Suspendisse facilisis ante eu odio dictum vitae viverra lectus venenatis. Proin commodo iaculis arcu ut tincidunt. Aenean dictum sollicitudin sapien, ac pellentesque neque vestibulum blandit. Etiam non dui et felis dictum porta ut ut sapien. Proin imperdiet felis vitae leo convallis vehicula. Mauris vitae dui nibh. Fusce nisi ante, condimentum nec tempus et, gravida et augue. Praesent consequat diam quis libero luctus vitae porttitor diam tincidunt. Sed ac venenatis massa. Etiam molestie risus vitae purus dignissim ut interdum tortor sodales. In porttitor nisi in nisi vestibulum id pretium augue tincidunt. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit.
Re: New perl features?
On 18 Mar 2013, at 16:00, Philippe Bruhat (BooK) wrote: You'll need to write in French, though. And get paid in Euro. Couldn't we just write loudly in CAPS? G.
Re: New perl features?
On 15 Mar 2013, at 13:29, James Laver wrote: On 15 Mar 2013, at 13:04, DAVID HODGKINSON daveh...@gmail.com wrote: So, no then. In the sense of having a single page of good examples of using the new features. With so many orgs stuck on ancient perls, it may not be a full solution. Sure it may attract newbies but if they get a job with an ancient perl they're going to be disappointed they can't use all that shiny. IMHO, the best marketing materials you could create would be a list of what the lead developers of a module are using. Having a note that 5.14 supports feature Foo will never persuade as many organisations as having Tim Bunce saying he works daily with the 5.14 stack in his day job and DBI development (or a similar statement). Just my 2c, G.
Re: More advice about becoming a freelance Perl programer
On 7 Mar 2013, at 12:22, Chris Jack wrote: Peter Corlett ab...@cabal.org.uk wrote How long is a piece of string? A piece of string is 3 inches long. Now you might be thinking you've seen a piece of string that was 4 inches long. But that was another piece of string. *Sorry: and it's not even Friday. Typical high level programmer, its 3 inches long plus the null pointer, sheesh ;-) G.
Re: More advice about becoming a freelance Perl programmer
On 7 Mar 2013, at 13:33, Richard Huxton wrote: On 07/03/13 13:05, David Cantrell wrote: With proper employees it's a bit different - you expect them to stay for longer, so can allow time for getting up to speed with the tools. Of course, this doesn't apply if you're the sort of idiot who hires a contractor for months or years on end, making them effectively a proper employee but more expensive. The Perl Ministry of Administration would like to clarify that where David said idiot he meant of course valued enterprise client ;-) Also there might be some balance sheet shenanigans going on around themes such as capex and potential future liabilities. Fortunately current and previous governments are committed to investing heavily into bodies to track this down, and the tax payer will be spared the burden due to the altruistic nature of companies that form PPIs. G.
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Reminder: Croyden.pm, this Thursday, 14 Feb
On 15 Feb 2013, at 13:31, Peter Corlett wrote: That was an excellent choice of pub. We should do that more often. But can you pre-warn them next time so they have more pies on the bar? :) Just wait until summer, then they do BBQ's ;-) G.
Re: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers!
Before this blows up, can i just say that Leo is a good guy and your work speaks for itself Duncan, and sometimes we can all fire off a quick email a little too rashly as we get used to trolls and other internet mailing list beasties. G. p.s. now who wants to buy me first class eurostar tickets to brussels ;-). On 26 Jan 2013, at 14:17, Duncan Garland wrote: And I put a lot of effort at very short notice into an article for this year's Catalyst Advent Calendar. -Original Message- From: london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org] On Behalf Of Leo Lapworth Sent: 26 January 2013 12:06 To: London.pm Perl M[ou]ngers Subject: Re: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers! Hi Duncan, Please contact the TPF and let them know how many hours a week you are able to commit to helping co-ordinate this sort of thing. Leo On 26 Jan 2013, at 11:25, Duncan Garland duncan.garl...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi, Isn't this something TPF should get behind? The Perl Community organises good conferences but they tend to be for quite small audiences. I've been told that YAPC Tokyo is the biggest with roughly 800 attendees and the next biggest ones are grouped around the 300 mark. Fosdem claims to attract 5000. We always talk about breaking out of the echo chamber, but never seem sure about how to do it. Isn't this an important opportunity? Shouldn't TPF commit to sponsoring this today and then launch a drive to find a commercial sponsor to reimburse TPF? (Perl still isn't listed on https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/ as having a developer room.) Regards Duncan -Original Message- From: london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org] On Behalf Of Wendy G.A. van Dijk Sent: 25 January 2013 20:41 To: london.pm@london.pm.org Subject: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers! Hello all, We know it is late, but we still have to try to make this work. Maybe to save the honour and pride of Perl! :-) Would you like to give a presentation in Brussels, please send me and/or Claudio a proposal. Today or tomorrow please. Thanks! Kind regards, Wendy van Dijk Dear Perl Mongers, I have to make this short and simple. Therefore most of this email is copied from last year's Call for Speakers. What? Fosdem, Brussels, 2 3 february 2013 https://fosdem.org/2013/ Where? Free University Brussels, Campus Solbosh: https://fosdem.org/2013/practical/transportation/ Why so late? Because our dev-room request was denied at first. They gave it to another programming language community. Now another community could not fill their dev-room. We are Perl, so we jumped in and we asked for this. We got it. Now we have to fill it. So be quick and send in your presentation proposal. To: Claudio Ramirez (nxadm, email: padre.claudio at apt-get.be) and Wendy van Dijk (email: nl.pm at wendy.org). Thank you. Hope to meet you all in Brussels. __ Copied and adapted from last year's Call for Speakers: Please forward to your Perl contacts. __ Taking place in the beautiful city of Brussels (Belgium), FOSDEM is the biggest free and non-commercial European event organized by and for the community. Its goal is to provide Free and Open Source developers a place to meet (see http://fosdem.org/2013/). Over the last years the Perl community had an increasing presence at FOSDEM. Over the last two years we managed to have both a booth and a dev-room. We collected an impressive positive return and wish to renew the experience. Our dev-room request for this upcoming edition (2013) was at first rejected, in favor of another programming language community. So we would only have a booth. But another open source community could not fill their dev-room and we hastily requested it for the Perl-community. Yesterday we got approval. The stand request is approved some time ago. The stand will be open throughout the weekend. The dev-room event will take place Saturday, February 2nd 2013 , between 11:00 and 19:00, in room AW.126. The room itself has 75 seats, WIFI and a VGA projector. This environment, being a university classroom with raised seats, lends itself perfectly for talks. This is a wonderful opportunity to present your Perl project -big and small- or talk about subjects you care about. We are looking for a variety of subjects on all levels: starter and advanced, generic and specialized, core internals and CPAN. We have 8 hours time, so we have the flexibility of using different time formats: e.g. talks of 20 minutes, more classic talks of 40 minutes or longer (although we learned from experience that longer talks should be split into slices of 20 or 40 minutes). Please
Re: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers!
Maybe what we need is a match.com of sorts for the Perl community. Who has time/skills/resources and who in the Perl community/TPF knows that something needs done. I'll pick on Jess (castaway) as an example . 1 hour a week proof reading. That would get snapped up every week. And the reason i picked on Jess is i know she can do that way better than most people in the community, just as i know it isn't my strong point (and I didn't capitalise the 'I' earlier in this paragraph). G. On 26 Jan 2013, at 15:08, Leo Lapworth wrote: Hi Duncan, Sorry that was not meant to be patronising - so many people say TPF should do X,Y,Z - but miss that the TPF/Perl community needs people to get on and do it. As Wendy has mentioned this has come up many times. I did not mean to criticise you personally, just pointing out that if you or anyone wants something to happy you/they need to do it or get a group of people together who can do it (I think this is how Wendy, Gabor and several others first got going with Perl attending Fosdem again a few years ago, and they didn't need any help from TPF). Personally I have just got on and done things for the Perl community that I wanted to see happen, there are many generous people and companies (like you and your company) who can be approached without the need for a structure like the TPF. The TPF and other organisations come into their own when legal and financial assistance is required, but more often than not donations can be sort directly (e.g. metacpan hosting) without financial transactions having to take place. I applaud anyone who does anything for the community, and encourage anyone who wants more things to happen to ask the question of this list or the TPF or the EPO, etc (or all of them) Who do I need to speak to or what do I need to do to help get X done?. Best wishes Leo On 26 January 2013 14:05, Duncan Garland duncan.garl...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi Leo, I ran a workshop at this year's LPW. I got the company I work for to sponsor LPW. All the sponsorship money went to LPW, I paid my own expenses. I'll know next week whether I've succeeded in getting some sponsorship for the QA Hackathon. I've been to 6 of the 9 LPWs. The last 5 plus one a couple of years before that. I'm active in both London PM and Southampton PM. Don't patronise me. Duncan -Original Message- From: london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org] On Behalf Of Leo Lapworth Sent: 26 January 2013 12:06 To: London.pm Perl M[ou]ngers Subject: Re: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers! Hi Duncan, Please contact the TPF and let them know how many hours a week you are able to commit to helping co-ordinate this sort of thing. Leo On 26 Jan 2013, at 11:25, Duncan Garland duncan.garl...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi, Isn't this something TPF should get behind? The Perl Community organises good conferences but they tend to be for quite small audiences. I've been told that YAPC Tokyo is the biggest with roughly 800 attendees and the next biggest ones are grouped around the 300 mark. Fosdem claims to attract 5000. We always talk about breaking out of the echo chamber, but never seem sure about how to do it. Isn't this an important opportunity? Shouldn't TPF commit to sponsoring this today and then launch a drive to find a commercial sponsor to reimburse TPF? (Perl still isn't listed on https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/ as having a developer room.) Regards Duncan -Original Message- From: london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org] On Behalf Of Wendy G.A. van Dijk Sent: 25 January 2013 20:41 To: london.pm@london.pm.org Subject: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers! Hello all, We know it is late, but we still have to try to make this work. Maybe to save the honour and pride of Perl! :-) Would you like to give a presentation in Brussels, please send me and/or Claudio a proposal. Today or tomorrow please. Thanks! Kind regards, Wendy van Dijk Dear Perl Mongers, I have to make this short and simple. Therefore most of this email is copied from last year's Call for Speakers. What? Fosdem, Brussels, 2 3 february 2013 https://fosdem.org/2013/ Where? Free University Brussels, Campus Solbosh: https://fosdem.org/2013/practical/transportation/ Why so late? Because our dev-room request was denied at first. They gave it to another programming language community. Now another community could not fill their dev-room. We are Perl, so we jumped in and we asked for this. We got it. Now we have to fill it. So be quick and send in your presentation proposal. To: Claudio Ramirez (nxadm, email: padre.claudio at apt-get.be) and Wendy van Dijk (email: nl.pm at wendy.org). Thank you. Hope to meet you all in Brussels.
Re: Updating lots of database fields in a single row
Tied variables ;-)
G.
On 24 Jan 2013, at 13:57, Denny wrote:
You do know what $status contains in the example (so you could hardcore it in
the SQL anyway). $id is up for grabs though.
Simon Wilcox es...@ourshack.com wrote:
On 24/01/2013 03:01, Sam Kington wrote:
I mean, sure, this is safe:
if ($status eq 'foo') {
$dbh-do(UPDATE table SET status='$status' WHERE id=$id);
}
Only if you're certain you know what $status and $id contain.
http://xkcd.com/327/
--
Sent from my mobile phone. Please excuse terseness, typos and top-posting.
Re: Updating lots of database fields in a single row
No no no, lets just use any language that our process analyst consultant decides - they can come up with a long winded approach to software development that will ensure the lack of any possible security holes by providing long winded documentation to auditors and by selecting whatever language/toolset was cool about 10 years ago. G. On 24 Jan 2013, at 16:00, David Cantrell wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 04:49:17PM +0100, Abigail wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 03:38:08PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: Tied variables ;-) Overloaded constants, and not even your place holders are safe. Stupid language. Let's all use C instead. -- David Cantrell | Cake Smuggler Extraordinaire Did you know that shotguns taste like candy canes? Put the barrel in your mouth and pull the trigger for an extra blast of minty goodness!
Re: Updating lots of database fields in a single row
On 24 Jan 2013, at 17:15, Paul Makepeace wrote: So we're using Perl still then? :D Perl was never cool, it was the kid that liked wearing a sports coat to school with leather patches sewn on the elbows as they took style tips from their 'cool' maths teacher. G.
Re: Project management
I'd also suggest finding yourself a mentor in your organization - it might not even be inside the IT function, my mentor was head of findance, and maybe have a first chat about what the various stakeholders (and i dont mean just the business) want to get out of a successful project. In my experience the best thing that scrum meetings/etc. bring is honesty - somethings are easy, but still take 4 or 8 hours, somethings don't take the 2 weeks, but getting a good relationship between business and engineering is the key. And getting engineers to appreciate the project manager's role is key and often this comes out of being ready to be wrong with estimates, with a no blame culture. It's amazing how cheap some of the best motivators are, when i was at a well known ISP the project manager used to make a point of getting me to talk to the head of customer care, because once i put a human face on the problem i wanted to solve it more. It was a cheap trick, but it worked and it's ok later her, I and another london.pm'er had a little date with a roll of duct tape ;-). G. On 23 Jan 2013, at 11:17, Dermot wrote: Thanks Adrian. There's some really useful stuff there. Am immersing myself now. Dermot. On 23 January 2013 10:34, Adrian Howard adri...@quietstars.com wrote: Hey Dermot, On 23/01/13 09:27, Dermot wrote: Hi, I'm pretty sure I've seen this discussed on the list before but I can't (easily) find it in the archive. I was looking for a Project management course or company. There are a lot of companies in London doing training but I am a little sceptical about their quality. I'm not interested in a certificate. I'd like to grasp a decent methodology. From what I've seen that would be Agile. Agile != methodology. Agile = broad set of principles/philosophy on software development. Particular methods like Scrum, XP, Crystal are Agile. Sorry - pet niggle. Caused by folk causing me problems by using Agile Scrum as synonyms ;-) Does anyone want to tout a course or company. I promise not to sue if I think they're crap :-) 1) Consider Certified Scrum Master course. The certification itself is pretty useless as a signifier of skill - it basically just means you attended a two day course - but the courses themselves tend to be quite useful. The trainers are certified and generally pretty good. It does cost more than pocket change. However employers do take notice of CSM certifications - however foolish that may be. The two day course will get you up to speed on the basics of Scrum, and usually some pointers to some technical practices that go some way to helping a Scrum implementation work. More here http://is.gd/xJea3J What this won't give you are insights into non-Scrum methods, and they tend to fuzz the Agile/Scrum/everything-else divide a bit from what I've heard from some folk. (I am not a CSM. I am not a Certified Scrum Trainer. I think Scrum is a good method - but I have a long rant about the way Scrum gets abused/misused. I also think that certification in general has probably done more harm than good... but I digress...) 2) General Assembly and Skills Matters http://skillsmatter.com/ http://generalassemb.ly/ They both do free/cheapish courses with good presenters. Might be worth dipping a toe in here. 3) Try a local agile event I assume that you're London based. There are some great local Agile events that it might be worth toddling along too and quizzing folk. The Extreme Tuesday Club is one http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?** ExtremeTuesdayClub http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ExtremeTuesdayClub 4) Try some background reading I still stand by this list 'o' books as good introductions http://qr.ae/8DyB3 Also bias=hubrisAgile training/workshops is something I do a bit myself/bias - drop me a line if y'like ;-) Cheers, Adrian
Re: Project management
Oh i'd also recommend DeMarco's book 'The Deadline', it's a sort of novel about project management, a bit like Knuth's 'Surreal Numbers', but not as bad[1]. G. [1] Yeah i'm not qualified to criticise Knuth but a romance novel about the formation of set theory is pretty damn bad. On 23 Jan 2013, at 11:51, Greg McCarroll wrote: I'd also suggest finding yourself a mentor in your organization - it might not even be inside the IT function, my mentor was head of findance, and maybe have a first chat about what the various stakeholders (and i dont mean just the business) want to get out of a successful project. In my experience the best thing that scrum meetings/etc. bring is honesty - somethings are easy, but still take 4 or 8 hours, somethings don't take the 2 weeks, but getting a good relationship between business and engineering is the key. And getting engineers to appreciate the project manager's role is key and often this comes out of being ready to be wrong with estimates, with a no blame culture. It's amazing how cheap some of the best motivators are, when i was at a well known ISP the project manager used to make a point of getting me to talk to the head of customer care, because once i put a human face on the problem i wanted to solve it more. It was a cheap trick, but it worked and it's ok later her, I and another london.pm'er had a little date with a roll of duct tape ;-). G. On 23 Jan 2013, at 11:17, Dermot wrote: Thanks Adrian. There's some really useful stuff there. Am immersing myself now. Dermot. On 23 January 2013 10:34, Adrian Howard adri...@quietstars.com wrote: Hey Dermot, On 23/01/13 09:27, Dermot wrote: Hi, I'm pretty sure I've seen this discussed on the list before but I can't (easily) find it in the archive. I was looking for a Project management course or company. There are a lot of companies in London doing training but I am a little sceptical about their quality. I'm not interested in a certificate. I'd like to grasp a decent methodology. From what I've seen that would be Agile. Agile != methodology. Agile = broad set of principles/philosophy on software development. Particular methods like Scrum, XP, Crystal are Agile. Sorry - pet niggle. Caused by folk causing me problems by using Agile Scrum as synonyms ;-) Does anyone want to tout a course or company. I promise not to sue if I think they're crap :-) 1) Consider Certified Scrum Master course. The certification itself is pretty useless as a signifier of skill - it basically just means you attended a two day course - but the courses themselves tend to be quite useful. The trainers are certified and generally pretty good. It does cost more than pocket change. However employers do take notice of CSM certifications - however foolish that may be. The two day course will get you up to speed on the basics of Scrum, and usually some pointers to some technical practices that go some way to helping a Scrum implementation work. More here http://is.gd/xJea3J What this won't give you are insights into non-Scrum methods, and they tend to fuzz the Agile/Scrum/everything-else divide a bit from what I've heard from some folk. (I am not a CSM. I am not a Certified Scrum Trainer. I think Scrum is a good method - but I have a long rant about the way Scrum gets abused/misused. I also think that certification in general has probably done more harm than good... but I digress...) 2) General Assembly and Skills Matters http://skillsmatter.com/ http://generalassemb.ly/ They both do free/cheapish courses with good presenters. Might be worth dipping a toe in here. 3) Try a local agile event I assume that you're London based. There are some great local Agile events that it might be worth toddling along too and quizzing folk. The Extreme Tuesday Club is one http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?** ExtremeTuesdayClub http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ExtremeTuesdayClub 4) Try some background reading I still stand by this list 'o' books as good introductions http://qr.ae/8DyB3 Also bias=hubrisAgile training/workshops is something I do a bit myself/bias - drop me a line if y'like ;-) Cheers, Adrian
Re: Updating lots of database fields in a single row
In this day and age I'd be looking at an ORM[1] layer for such simple changes,
they are almost foolproof until someone is a fool ;-). And they will probably
avoid stupid SQL mistakes that you and I might both make.
And DBIx::Class[2] is the current best of breed, it can also 'reverse
engineer'[3] your existing schema to Perl modules.
G.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-relational_mapping
[2] http://search.cpan.org/~getty/DBIx-Class-0.08204/lib/DBIx/Class.pm
[3]
http://search.cpan.org/~getty/DBIx-Class-0.08204/lib/DBIx/Class/Manual/Intro.pod#Using_DBIx::Class::Schema::Loader
On 22 Jan 2013, at 22:57, Andrew Beverley wrote:
I've not been developing with Perl for long, so I'd like to know if
there is a better way of writing the following database query (or is
there a better place to ask?):
my @fields = qw(field1 field2 field3 field4 field5 field6 field7 ... );
my @updates;
foreach my $field (@fields)
{
push @updates, $field = '$hash-{$field}' if $hash-{$field};
}
my $values = join ',', @updates;
my $sth = $self-dbh-prepare(UPDATE table SET $values WHERE id = ?);
$sth-execute($opdefs_id);
Basically, I'd like to update lots of fields in a single database row.
Obviously I could write out each updated field individually, but I
wondered whether the above is considered tidier, or whether there is a
better way altogether? The problem with the above code is that I'm not
using placeholders and bind values (which I assume is to be preferred)
so I'll also need to escape values as required.
Thanks,
Andy
Re: PHP community
On 17 Jan 2013, at 09:57, Kieren Diment wrote: On 17/01/2013, at 2:08 AM, gvim gvi...@gmail.com wrote: PHP UK (22nd Feb.): £380 London Perl Workshop: £0 'nuff said. Apparently not. Having been part of the teams that organized the first YAPC::Europe and first LPW there is a good reason for it being free or in the case of YAPC as cheap as possible. Kevin Lenzo had done the first YAPC as an alternative to expensive conferences, especially thinking of students and/or poorer open source hackers. The phrase Inclusive not exclusive I remember being used a lot. And that tradition has stuck and influenced LPW, and it isn't just for moral reasons alone - if you run an event where nobody is profiting you tend to get the goodwill of groups and people like Westminster University (who have supported other open source events) and companies like O'Reilly - apologies for skipping the full list of sponsors. And of course it means you have the freedom to just say no to commercial talks from sponsors - which is the reason YAPC::Europe has auctions ;-). I think its great that there is a paid for PHP event, i'm sure a lot of people will go along and learn a lot (i'm so avoiding making a joke here) and thats great, but i'm quite proud that London.pm 13 years on has kept the seem moral objective of being accessible. G.
Re: Proprietary Sybase DBI/DBD module
On 31 Oct 2012, at 20:40, DAVID HODGKINSON wrote: On 31 Oct 2012, at 20:00, Joel Bernstein j...@fysh.org wrote: Not to be snarky but the answer here seems to be yes, and what's your point? Companies that make you buy their software (limited, free, development version notwithstanding, limiting the *client* systems you use out of what, fear that you might use their software more widely? But do consider, loss of brand value/reputation as they can't properly test the client on every platform and one of their brand components is stability/reliability? And I suspect most people deploying Sybase are going to tailor the OS/distro around it. G.
Re: Brainbench perl test?
On 4 Sep 2012, at 13:26, Mr I wrote: On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Roger Burton West ro...@firedrake.orgwrote: It's equivalent to asking you to write a function ved(n, m) that implements the 16 sutras* and uses them to return the result. A task that maybe easily done by many an Indian programmer yet many in this group would struggle with. Similarly, I'd expect the candidate to ask for more information. However under your above reasoning such questions may result in the candidate only being considered for 'maintenance programming' simply because the candidate does not know vedic mathematics. That's foolishness. Well in interviews you have the luxury of asking a range of questions, so even when the candidate is not strong on maths for example, it's interesting to see how they tackle the question and it's challenge. I've always appreciated it when the candidate will have a go on the whiteboard with something that maybe isn't their strong point. And when i've conducted interviews and also done training it can be rewarding to work together on a solution helping the candidate or trainee with the gaps in their knowledge and seeing how they use the clues. It's about seeing how people think, so if for example it wasn't fib but factorial (fac). Asking someone how their program would work for fac(-4). And then how would both_fact(n) = (fac(n) + fac(n*-1)) would behave for 1..m, etc. etc. While it's a bit computer science-ey, something like big O for bogosort is also interesting. The most important things are, 1) know what sort of skills you want to hire for the role, especially for the role as it stands in the next 6 or 12 months. 2) have a range of questions in different degree's of difficult for the skills required (Perl, UNIX, version control, SQL, etc). 3) treat it as a conversation where you are trying to help and work with them. G.
Re: Who made the law?
I'd suggest two things ... 1) be excellent to one another - all the best philosophies come from bad 80's, 90's movies, if you need a good movie from that time period, might i suggest the mantra 'save ferris'. 2) what Tom says goes, not an IRC op, not an ex-leader, not anyone else, 'In Tom we trust'. Of course we can also say 'Blame Tom'. 3) Top posting emails, like bow ties are cool! (7.20 tonight). G. p.s. I only suggest 2 of the 3 options. On 1 Sep 2012, at 11:04, Tom Hukins wrote: On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 06:47:47PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Where is the usage policy of #london.pm IRC channel. Hi, sorry I'm a little late to this therad. Thank you all for the constructive discussion. I'm going to think for a while before making a decision on this: I want to avoid rushing anything important. I'm happy to listen to everyone's thoughts, either on the list, privately, or in the pub on Thursday. All of us have limited time and energy to put into this group. Let's focus on doing good things. If there's something we should be doing, but we're not, let me know. Tom
Re: Started getting London.pm list digests but I don't know why
Thanks for being gracious, and look on the bright side, you didn't top post. G. On 3 Aug 2012, at 12:38, Alex Balhatchet wrote: On 3 August 2012 09:37, Alex Balhatchet ka...@slackwise.net wrote: I've requested a password reminder *and* an unsubscribe at http://london.pm.org/mailman/options/london.pm for that address. I didn't receive the password reminder email (yet?) The digests usually come through at 12:00 BST so will see whether I get one today. FYI I did get another digest at 12:00 BST today. I've just noticed that in the headers it actually says: Received: from franklin.liquidweb.com (franklin.liquidweb.com. [69.167.147.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fu8si3222599igc.0.2012.08.03.04.02.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 03 Aug 2012 04:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Which means that despite it saying alex.balhatc...@gmail.com it's actually another forwarder that forwards to that address. Blargh my email set up is stupid. The good news is that I finally figured out what's up - and surprise surprise it was my fault after all :-( :-P I had set up an ex-employee's address as a forwarder to myself and he had previously signed up for the digest list. Many apologies for wasting everybody's time! Thanks for the debugging help guys, - Alex
Fwd: [Conferences] Call for Venue for YAPC::Europe::2013
All I'm going to say is if some masochists, sorry i mean volunteers, want to think about doing a YAPC London, they'd get a lot of support. Just saying, G. YAPC::Europe London 2013, we waited 13 years to do it again because we wanted to turn the volume to 13. Begin forwarded message: From: Anton Berezin to...@tobez.org Subject: [Conferences] Call for Venue for YAPC::Europe::2013 Date: 9 March 2012 09:45:52 GMT To: conferen...@yapceurope.org Reply-To: conferen...@yapceurope.org Although YAPC::Europe::2012 preparations are well underway in Frankfurt, it is time for the venue committee of the YAPC::Europe Foundation (YEF) to think about the location of the 2013 conference. YAPC::Europe wouldn't exist without dedicated teams of volunteers, and we are always excited to see the enthusiasm and learn about the new ideas the community has to offer. Further information about preparing a complete application can be found at http://www.yapceurope.org/organizers/index.html . Proposals submitted to the venue committee will be added to this public repository (you may provide private information separately) to benefit future organizers. The deadlines which apply to this portion of the procedure are: * Saturday, 7 April: Deadline for sending a letter of intent. This letter simply expresses interest in hosting the conference and provides contact information (both email and telephone) for at least two organizers. This is an optional step but it can be to your advantage to alert the venue committee of your proposal. * Thursday, 5 July: Deadline for sending proposals to host YAPC::Europe 2013. If you do not receive a confirmation for your letter of intent or proposal within a couple of days, please personally contact a member of the venue committee. Please send your questions, letters of intent, and proposals to ve...@yapceurope.org. ___ Conferences mailing list conferen...@yapceurope.org http://lists.yapceurope.org/mailman/listinfo/conferences
Re: [ANNOUNCE] London Perl Mongers Technical Meeting 2012-04-11
On 28 Feb 2012, at 21:55, Paul wrote: On Thursday, 23 February, 2012 at 14:27:17 GMT, L?on Brocard wrote: Damian will be presenting: [...snipped a load of garbage...] What is this meeting actually about? It's some washed up ex-neighbours actor, who is doing a one man alternative performance show, L.pm gets an arts grant if we arrange a stage. I still think we should have gone with Bouncer. G.
Re: The proper way to open()
On 31 Jan 2012, at 05:18, Avleen Vig wrote: This is the problem with TMTOWTDI. There should just be one way to do it. Then we wouldn't have this problem. :-) We'd also not have a language that attracts people who like to fly giant kites (Andy W. and a few others) and buy priests cassocks (Evil Dave and no other few others ;-) ), oh and i suspect Evil Dave will be pleased that the word cassock comes from the Turkish word quzzak meaning nomad/adventurer. G.
Re: 5 minimums for any perl script?
I'm afraid i'm going to be boring and suggest some business requirements. In comments or pod, note the following: When you are doing this (even if version control can tell people), and who you are. Why? if there is a long worded document/spec, at least give its name. Check it in under version control even if your BOFH growls at you. Who for? Sales, accounting, etc. Name them. Concerns/risks. Basically build up a context of why you are about to unleash this script on the world that today might be a one off, but next year might be a nightly cron job. G. On 29 Jan 2012, at 21:02, Leo Lapworth wrote: Hi, I've been asked what would be a good minimum to have as a coding police for a company that isn't focused on Perl, but uses it occasionally. So if Perl Best Practices is too much, and you could only have 5 rules for any perl script, what would they be? (let's assume recent 5.10+?) Mine: 1) use strict; use warnings; - obvious why 2) all files to be perl tidied (ideally automatically) - it makes reading code easier, as long as there is a standard 3) All variable names to be clear about what they contain, no short variable names unless in a small loop (e.g. $i) - But I know $e means doesn't help me in reading code 4) use Path::Class and always keep files/dirs as Path::Class objects as long as possible - this is a strange one, but it's more about being consistent and having $file-slurp; $file-openw() $dir-mkpath(). It seems to make code cleaner, others have suggested IO::Any, but that still has missing / odd behaviour for my liking at the moment 5) Always ask one other person to review your code What would yours be? Leo
Re: Heretics Meeting with a Shadowcat guest(s) appearance
I shall be there, i've always like the 1st thursday of the month when it's also the first, honest, G. On 7 Aug 2011, at 02:14, Mark Keating wrote: If I understand the metrics correctly the 1st September is a heretics meeting for London.pm, which is auspicious if true for Matt S. Trout (mst) and Mark Keating (mdk) will be staying at the Strand in London on that night and will wander to this meeting. There is also the slim chance we may persuade Greg to wander with us which Dave Cross may begin laughing about now (it was Greg's idea we come on a london.pm social night and then suggested start of September, history students will enjoy the joke). Can someone confirm location, and do we count as a special london.pm social case as well/instead of? -mdk -- Mark Keating BA (Hons), Writer, Photographer, Cat-Herder. Managing Director: http://www.shadow.cat For more that I do visit: http://www.mdk.me
Re: Perl T-shirts
On 26 Feb 2010, at 20:00, Jonathan Stowe wrote: snip random whining about buying reasonable priced t-shirts at auctions ;-) [1] I blame Greg for this. Why do you think most YAPC's have a t-shirt in the welcome pack, the first one is always free . Greg
Re: It Shines! It Shines!
On 19 Dec 2008, at 18:22, Avleen Vig wrote: On Dec 19, 2008, at 17:36, Tony Kennick 0995a06aaeaf6b70e79c3aafd6719...@half.pint.org.uk wrote: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:39:30PM +, the following was promulgated by Andy Wardley: Behold! http://london.pm.org/ Now it has rounded corners, is it time for other web_2.0_ness? Slideshows of appropriately tagged pictures on flicker? The aggregated twitterings of the faithful? Bookmarks pulled in from delicious and reddit? Only half joking... Tony I'm not joking at all when I say I think that's a good idea. I'll try to think up the best way to integrate such thing into content that people will wantto look at. Just hving a London.pmers page would be silly, no-one would look at it. a flickr feed with an agreed tag would be good, as there tends to be a fairly selection of flickr using camera geeks at meetings, Greg
Re: Perl Christmas Quiz
On 16 Dec 2008, at 19:17, Nicholas Clark wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 07:08:18PM +, James Laver wrote: With all of these code-based things going on, I'm inclined to suggest a more disturbing challenge - overcomplicating hello world Cheap joke I know, but isn't the canonical example of this simply to write it in Java? What does the most golfed down Java implementation look like? I think the OTT Perl example would have tied 'hello' and 'world' supply variables, would use autoloader to create the method, use a couple of Acme modules, a regex to correct the capitalisation and just to be really silly, it would use Catalyst and Moose ;-) G.
Re: Perl is Alive!
On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 07:25:25PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nige wrote:- p.s. maybe we could have an auction item - let's buy back perl.com? This sounds like a good idea. It sounds like a terrible idea. It's not a good auction item - trust me. It also doesn't achieve much and it takes cash away from other worthwhile projects. If Tom has a deal with ORA (sorry O'R) then it's his business, if I was him, and I'm not, I'd want to see the value of moving the domain name before even entering into the discussion, and currently perl.com offers good content. And the association with a large company like O'R is only good for Perl's reputation. Also perl.com is hosted at O'R's expense, with their design and development and it looks pretty good. And I personally trust them fully with the job. It's important to remember that there, imho, and Lenzo can disagree, would probably have been no YAPC if it wasn't for O'R and then probably no TPF at least with the sequence of events that led to it 'in this timeline' ;-). There is a lot of work to be done to help Perl, not least the core development that I believe is seeing less resource, and arguing about the ownership of a domain name and 2nd guessing what Tom is doing is a waste of our time. If you really want to help perl.com, perl.org or perlbuzz; write some articles that appeal to the wider world outside the goldfish bowl of the Perl community. Greg
Re: *.perl.org facelift
On 8 Dec 2008, at 07:17, Nigel Hamilton wrote: This looks brilliant. A lot of Perl sites certainly could do with a face lift. I think it'd go a long way towards making Perl look more alive :) I especially like the Onion logo - Perl's official trademark never looked better. ;-) seconded, the spherical logo is great, Greg
Friday Fun Problem: Floor Plans With Perl
I thought this might interest some of you. I was lying in bed this morning wondering about how to take a pile of measurements and have Perl (for why use something silly like a CAD package) generate floor plans. So say my room is like this B /| A | | | D-C I might end up with a set of measurements A-B 5 B-C 4 C-D 3 D-A 4 Now to get the floor plans knowing which walls touch which is useful but more useful is knowing the relative coordinates. Now I figure I can probably construct a set of equations and set Ax,Ay to 0,0. Stick it in Mathematica and have it pat me on the head condescendingly and give me the answers. Or hunt around on CPAN. However my problem comes when you think of fire places A-B | | | | | F-E | | | | | H-G D-C If I could indicate that CDE was a right turn, could this then be solved easily? G.
Re: BCS: Geeks, Gizmos Gadgets Christmas Show n'Tell
On 5 Dec 2008, at 09:29, Léon Brocard wrote: There has been some talk recently about getting more involved with other user groups, specifically the British Computer Society. Seeing as we are a society of computer users in Britain, you'd think we'd get on together - but the BCS has traditionally had large organisations as members and ignored open source and independent developers. They are holding a fun event next week. Anyone want to show off Perl? http://www.nlondon.bcs.org/ I've submitted the old live departure boards alarm clock hack, and if it gets accepted it would be really nice to see some friendly faces in the audience. Greg
Re: Perl is dead
On 4 Dec 2008, at 16:28, Jonathan Stowe wrote: 2008/12/4 Simon Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED]: David Cantrell wrote: And no, setting up yet another blog aggregator or yet another obscure site that occasionally publishes an article, those don't count. perlbuzz's existence hasn't fixed any problems. Yeah but from what I'm reading between the lines part of the problem at least is that we are blogging and promoting inwardly on these kind of sites in the first place, we put in a lot of effort to talk to ourselves when we should be talking to the people who don't already read those sites: people shouldn't be blogging about Perl on use.perl they should be blogging about it elsewhere. And this is a sentiment made by Andy (one of the people behind PerlBuzz) in one of the articles on PerlBuzz, http://perlbuzz.com/2008/05/perl-decentralize-diversify-colonize.html Personally, I don't think good Perl programmers have ever been just 'Perl programmers', they've been sysadmins, DBA's or functional and yet pragmatic programmers who have stumbled into Perl and often stuck around for one reason or another. Maybe they just were lazy and liked CPAN, or else they liked the people in the community. And I don't think the language matters as much as the spirit. But if the language is a vehicle for the spirit, then the way to promote it is by doing things that are outwardly facing. And by doing things I don't mean blogging about another internal (to Perl) module that is useful within Perl programming, I mean something that makes other technical and non-technical business/academic groups take notice. And this activity should be focused on the task at hand, not the publicity. There are ideas that can be help with the publicity; perhaps a tag on use perl blogs to indicate it's externally interesting or a clearing house for articles; leaving PerlBuzz and the use.perl frontpage to do the rest. But the key is to look outward and do interesting stuff. G.
Fwd: [Conferences] YAPC::EU::2009 Newsletter #1 - Theme, Dates, Venue and other useful information
it's a start, but roll on issue #2 with the exact dates :-) also, as a reminder LPW is just over a week away (Sat 29th). G. Begin forwarded message: From: José Castro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 21 November 2008 14:15:08 GMT To: Discussion about YAPC conferences [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Conferences] YAPC::EU::2009 Newsletter #1 - Theme, Dates, Venue and other useful information Reply-To: Discussion about YAPC conferences [EMAIL PROTECTED] YAPC::EU::2009 Newsletter #1 - Theme, Dates, Venue and other useful information Greetings, and welcome to the very first YAPC::EU::2009 newsletter. In this issue: - Conference theme - (Tentative) Dates and Venue - The lookout for sponsors - Communication means So let's get started: - Conference theme: Corporate Perl Next year's YAPC::EU theme is Corporate Perl. Corporate Perl is not about guys in suits showing off their products (although suits are very welcomed, as they've always been). Corporate Perl is about how and why Perl is being used in the big companies. How many of us have heard of Wall Street companies using Perl? How many of us have heard of Perl-ran companies with teams of hundreds of developers? How many of us have heard of Perl systems making billions of dollars every year? How many of us have *heard* about this? How many of us have *seen* it? The time has come. The time to show the world how well Perl is doing, how alive it is, and how bright and shinny the community is thriving, has come. Granted, we won't be able to bring in every single company using Perl to the event, but if you consider that some of the people working at these places already attend YAPCs, all we really need to do is convince them to walk on stage and tell the world what they're doing with Perl. We can barely wait. - (Tentative) Dates and Venue We finally found the right venue. There's been meetings, phone calls, SMSs, emails, and faxes involved, but it seems we made it. We're currently waiting for the official confirmation (we already have the unofficial confirmation). We were waiting to get the paperwork on our side to let the world know the details, but we decided not to make you wait any longer. The conference should be held from the 3rd to the 5th of August 2009, at FCUL (Faculty of Sciences of the University of Lisbon), and as soon as we get the official papers, we'll share that information with you. Yes, we realize the conference will run from a Monday to a Wednesday. Trust us on this one. Yes, we realize the conference will be held on the first week of August. There were a lot of issues that prevented us from selecting different dates. As much work as we've put into this, it's always hard to ensure we get everything we want. Here's a short teaser of the venue: http://yapceurope2009.org/ye2009/ads.html#4 . More on this subject in the near future. - New website We have a new and clean website, which we hope appeals more to the theme of Corporate Perl. You can browse what we have so far and pre-register at http://www.yapceurope2009.org/ . We'd like to call your attention to the logo of the conference, which is a Perlish version of the Portuguese coat of arms (as suggested by brian d foy at the last YAPC::EU and selected by the attendees of that conference); - On the lookout for sponsors We need money. Well, not us, the conference. There's no way we can put up a conference like this without money, and you can help us. How? Talk to your company. Put them in contact with us. We'll be speaking to a lot of companies in the months to come about sponsoring the event, but if you feel your company can help, please let us know. Sponsoring the event has several benefits, such as a number of free entries to the conference, advertisement, and others. Help us put together the best YAPC::EU possible. - Communication means We plan on being in touch with you (ir)regularly until the conference takes place. We'll be posting on the website, sending emails to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list, and posting small updates on our Twitter, Jaiku, and Pownce accounts (we also have a FriendFeed account that receives whatever we post on Twitter). There's also a feed of videocasts available at http://vimeo.com/user947461/videos/rss , where we'll post all the videos made by the organization. Feel free to spread the word. We appreciate that. Feel free to contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for anything conference related. See you at the next newsletter, cog and ambs In our next newsletter: - the confirmation of the dates (we hope; we're really working hard on this one) - our first sponsors - some travel tips and information - and more ___ Conferences
Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:47:27AM -0300, Ot?vio Fernandes wrote: Sorry, I was importing my gmail contact and I made this mistake. But such reasonable excuses spoil all the substance flinging, ;-) G.
Re: London.pm Dim sum Thursday 1pm: Oriental Brasserie
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:10:32AM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:26:26AM +0100, Dominic Thoreau wrote: I promise to turn up to something, honest. But Chiswick is too far to go for lunch. Next time it's in Soho, that would be easier. You could come to the next social, and claim your first timer's free pint*, as it tradition. Thursday 2nd October, http://london.pm.org/meetings/locations/bridge_house.html It's also a good meeting if you are planning to come to the, London Perl Workshop 2008 - Nov 29th http://conferences.yapceurope.org/lpw2008/ and want to just meet some people before it. As well as the great talks that MDK is arranging it's always good to talk to people in the corridors of an LPW about your current interests in Perl, programming, open source, computing or indeed any of the other varied interests of L.pm (photography, magic the gathering, astronomy, physics, ancient greek, maths, magic, cookery, real ale, add, landrovers, buffy, pie, mercedes, lexus, Heroes, cigars, welding, electronic music, etc etc) Oh and there is a tech meet coming up soon as well, thanks to Leon. G.
(forw) [pm_groups] New Perl Projects
See below, I think the new one (compared to his previous email) is Perl Certification. I've got no idea what the ** stuff is about. Oh and if you have colleagues wanting some free Perl training, you might also like to look at the course our very own Dave Cross will be running at this years LPW. I've sat in on one at the BBC and thought it was well paced and rich in information for anyone who has just been playing around with CGI's on shared hosting sites. (I'm allowed to be naughty once in a while). (in other news, pub for next meet should be sorted out RSN) G. - Forwarded message from Lyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Delivery-date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:17:12 +0100 From: Lyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [pm_groups] New Perl Projects List-Id: Perl Mongers Group Leaders List pm_groups.pm.org Hi All, We started a number of new Perl projects. I'd appreciate it if you could forward at least some of the details of these onto your groups. The projects are:- Perl Certified Hosting Free Perl Course Project Perl Donation (from everybody) Perl Certification (Please note you need to remove the ** from the domain names, this is because they were being picked up an inaccurate filter) Details below:- Perl Certified Hosting The idea for this project was put forth by Amias of Bristol Bath Perl Mongers. We are creating a Perl Certified Hosting scheme that will be open for all hosting companies to join. Requirements will include a set list of web related Perl Modules and proper webserver configuration. Please visit the site:- http://www.perl**certifiedhosting.com For more details and to get involved with helping this scheme become a reality. Free Perl Course Project The idea in this project is that every Perl programmer teach at least one other person to code. Be that a family member, friend, work colleague, employee, friend of a friend, or even friend of an employee. Following the success of the Free Perl Course offered by Bristol Bath Perl Mongers this project has been started to encourage other Perl groups and programmers to do the same. Please check out the site:- http://www.perl**project.org Perl Donation (from everybody) This scheme has been started with the aim to give the Perl 6 development budget a big boost. http://www.perl**donate.com Please take the time to make your small donation. The aim is that we all make a small donation so that it amounts to a lot. Perl Certification I've been starting a Perl Certification list, this time not for debate, but for actually starting a certification scheme. I know this can be a very touchy subject, but we'd like to put together a working solution that people can evaluate. http://www.perl**cert.com Lyle ** Must be removed from all domain names - End forwarded message -
Re: [ANNOUNCE] September social - Thurs 4 Sep - Crown, Clerkenwell Green
Just a reminder, this is tomorrow ... On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 04:27:29PM +0100, Kake L Pugh wrote: Hello! For the September social, we're going somewhere we've not been before - the Crown on Clerkenwell Green. We have the upstairs function room booked from 6:30pm. There's no bar up there, but they do offer table service. It's a short walk from Chancery Lane station (Central line) and an even shorter one from Farringdon station (Circle, Hammersmith City, Metropolitan lines). Buses 55, 63, 153, and 243 all stop nearby. Maps, more info, etc: http://london.randomness.org.uk/wiki.cgi?Crown_Tavern,_EC1R_0EG When I checked it out last week, they had Westons cider, Adnams Bitter, London Pride, and Landlord on handpump, as well as Aspall's cider on tap, Fruli and Peche beers in bottles, and various lagers. They also, of course, do food - I only tried the whitebait, but on the evidence of that, it's perfectly fine. Standard blurb: Social meets are a chance for the various members of the group to meet up face to face and chat with each other about things - both Perl and non-Perl - and newcomers are more than welcome. The monthly meets tend to be bigger than the other ad hoc meetings that take place at other times, and we make sure that they're in easy to get to locations and the pub serves food (meaning that people can eat in the bar if they want to). They normally start around 6.30pm (or whenever people get there after work) and a group tends to be left come closing time. If you're a newcomer or other first timer (even if you've been lurking on the mailing list or on IRC) then please seek Greg out - we have a tradition that the leader of this motley crew buys the new people a drink (alcoholic or not, either's fine) and introduces them to people.
Re: [ANNOUNCE] September social - Thurs 4 Sep - Crown, Clerkenwell Green
s/tomorrow/thursday/ On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 02:42:37PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote Just a reminder, this is tomorrow ... On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 04:27:29PM +0100, Kake L Pugh wrote: Hello! For the September social, we're going somewhere we've not been before - the Crown on Clerkenwell Green. We have the upstairs function room booked from 6:30pm. There's no bar up there, but they do offer table service. It's a short walk from Chancery Lane station (Central line) and an even shorter one from Farringdon station (Circle, Hammersmith City, Metropolitan lines). Buses 55, 63, 153, and 243 all stop nearby. Maps, more info, etc: http://london.randomness.org.uk/wiki.cgi?Crown_Tavern,_EC1R_0EG When I checked it out last week, they had Westons cider, Adnams Bitter, London Pride, and Landlord on handpump, as well as Aspall's cider on tap, Fruli and Peche beers in bottles, and various lagers. They also, of course, do food - I only tried the whitebait, but on the evidence of that, it's perfectly fine. Standard blurb: Social meets are a chance for the various members of the group to meet up face to face and chat with each other about things - both Perl and non-Perl - and newcomers are more than welcome. The monthly meets tend to be bigger than the other ad hoc meetings that take place at other times, and we make sure that they're in easy to get to locations and the pub serves food (meaning that people can eat in the bar if they want to). They normally start around 6.30pm (or whenever people get there after work) and a group tends to be left come closing time. If you're a newcomer or other first timer (even if you've been lurking on the mailing list or on IRC) then please seek Greg out - we have a tradition that the leader of this motley crew buys the new people a drink (alcoholic or not, either's fine) and introduces them to people.
Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 08:07:10PM +0100, Peter Corlett wrote: However, you're after a fixed-price job, which costs more because the contractor is taking on the extra risk of the job going pear-shaped for reasons outside their control. And IMO, £500 isn't enough to cover that risk. I think Peter is spot on with this logic, and I'd never want to bid on a fixed price piece of work at such a small amount, the handshaking time[1] alone would be just to large a % to make it worthwhile. However it's an open market, someone out there hasn't as much risk aversion as I have or as large a mortgage payment (its not that large actually, i'm scared of risk). I personally reckon he'll get a taker, and I'm not sure either of them will be fully satisfied, but thats ok. And of course you can always suggest to Martin you'll do it for more as a counter offer. What's maybe more interesting is the value/cost people put on fixed term work vs. contracting and of course the value people put on a really good job (and what that means) and a shoddy job. And these are both topics I believe will become more significant in the next five years or so. To be honest, I'm changing my views on software development quality daily now I'm back at the cutting edge, and it really doesn't have much to do with code/frameworks/documentation. On a recent project I was shepherding, the project plan had maybe 10 tasks, yet when I was told to move onto another project, my handover task list had 22 soft tasks[2] that were all about making sure the business got what they wanted, that ratio is fairly significant given there was a full test/qa/systems allocation to the project. Greg [1] Just made up the term, the time it takes to set up any contract/deal, agree exactly what the deliverables are and set up the agreement in a strong enough (legal) way. [2] None of them on the original plan.
Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 08:30:07PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 08:07:10PM +0100, Peter Corlett wrote: However, you're after a fixed-price job, which costs more because the contractor is taking on the extra risk of the job going pear-shaped for reasons outside their control. And IMO, £500 isn't enough to cover that risk. What's maybe more interesting is the value/cost people put on fixed term work vs. contracting and of course the value people put on a And, in no way related to Martin, but related to software value, http://notalwaysright.com/thickheaded-as-thieves/739 G.
Re: Ob-buffy
* Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Twin Peaks winds me up. I remember being in school when it was on, and the kind of people who were into it suffered from two other co-morbidities: 1. They liked Marillion They liked Twin Peaks and Marillion? They clearly are people of exceptionally good taste, imagination and intellect. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dave and Religion
* James Campbell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: snip well written and interesting email about religion When it comes to religion I think Hitler had some interesting ideas. Note to self - write Acme::Siesta::Plugin::GodwinsLaw Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Perl on end-of-lifed Irix 5.3
* Elaine -HFB- Ashton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: You can try option A, just be prepared for much pain. :) Scott Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a guy inside SGI who, if he still works there, should be knowledgeable and Jarkko said he'd be willing to help if you hit a snag. There is always the option, if you aren't in love with IRIX, to install NetBSD on it :) http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/sgimips/ or debian, although it should be noted that support varies from system to system, and X is limited to IIRC the 8-bit ``newport'' (this is the bit i'm not sure of) graphics cards in the indy http://staf.patat.org/indy/ i also heard some mutterings about gentoo for MIPS, although i guess most people installing it on indy's are in a race against the heat death of the universe to see if they'll ever actually get to use it[1]. Greg [1] To get an idea of compile speed, http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/computing/performance.html -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: High speed beer
* Chris Heathcote ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Can anyone remember the trial of lager served below freezing? The glass was sprayed with water and rotated, and the beer was served below freezing under pressure. Ultrasound was used to stop it from freezing completely, but the beer did have ice crystals in. Can't find a link. Bah. I remember it being about 4 quid a pint in Richmond... Yip, I believe the last time we had a meeting in penderels oak they had this on trial, unfortunatly they choose a fairly shit lager to do it with so while having it that cold was good it still didn't inspire you to have more. And before one of you beardy weirdy, raving CAMRA 'old guzzlers drollop beer is especially fine due to the authentic gerbil droppings' lunatics chirp in, you can get good lager, you just have to go to Germany to get it. ;-) Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: perl and marketing
* Tony Bowden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 09:05:43AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: Does Perl need better PR? To what goal? Not having to justify the design decision of using Perl from first principles everytime in environments that do not currently use Perl. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bottom End Contractor Rates
Someone has just posted a 3k/mth job for 3mths to this list, and while getting paid anything is better than being on the dole, i wanted to take the chance to talk about contractor rates. I've started this off as a new thread, and yet i realise that this may not be enough seperation from the original post and for that I apologise - I do not want to discourage anyone from taking your job, I just want to look at the current state of the market. So with apologies, ... Duration: 3 months maximum Rate: 3,000 GBP per month It's at times like this I'm glad I've stepped away temporarily from the contracting game, 3K/mth seems great to start with after all thats 36,000 a year. until you take into account a few problems with contracting, lets start with no paid holidays, now in the UK thats approximatly 20~24 working days a year, so thats -3,000 (approx) a year you lose by being a contractor of course being a contractor you may have some off time between jobs, optomistically this will be about 5~6 days, so again you will lose (very approximately, but do me a favour and keep the maths easy), 20~24 working days, -3,000 (approx) from not being empoyed just for fun lets add in 6 days sick a year, which doesn't seem unreasonable -750 (approx) for sick so we are currently running at, 29,250 of course as a contractor you are expected to run a limited company, but the advantage of that is you can take expenses off before tax, so lets start with the cost of running such a beast, i conservedly estimate this at 500 quid a year. so we now have as a total ... 28,750 of course the advantage of being a contractor is being your own boss, which means that you get to contribute your own national insurance, its 11% now (thanks tony), but lets say 10% to keep the maths simple -2,875 so thats, 25,825 equivalent in terms of a permanent salary, but without the training, pension, stability or expenses of a permie - not to mention little things like your evaluation for mortgage approval. It seems to me that while companies aim to pay the bare minimum for contractors they will diminish this pool of resource in the economy, in IT especially companies that have very changeable requirements in terms of levels of IT resource that they need, killing the contractor market (or at least deskilling it) seems like a bad idea. ah well, maybe its time to be a plumber, after all if your loo breaks you cant just expect employees to get by, you wouldn't expect them to come to work every day and deal with a pile of shit after all - sadly the same isn't true for IT working conditions ;-) Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Siesta party
* Nigel Rantor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Eep. None of my business of course, but that place chongs for the lord. I am an NW3 resident and it sucketh arse like nobody's business. If you want mexican in town go to Cafe Pacifico in Covent Garden, best marguaritas (speelong?) ever. If thats the place thats on roughly located as follows | |* -- here | --- street that runs along the top of convent garden i have to agree, this is a great mexican place, fairly reasonably priced, good food, good drink with lime juice, tequilla and usually one other spirit's. i don't care what the occasion is but if anyone fancys going there and its convenient, i'm up for it, i can never remember its name, because when i finally get up, find that someone has replaced my legs with jelly, stagger to the door and grab business card to remember the place. i find that i end up with a business card for la perla - an italian. maybe la perla is owned by the same people, or else the waiting staff really hate la perla and me, and think that we deserve each other and hence play the cunning rouse of switching business cards, h. but never fear, as you can tell my highly detailed map, i know exactly where it is! ;-) G. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cafe Pacifico Cat Herding
So lots of people seem to want to go to Cafe Pacifico, and as i haven't been stupid enough to volunteer for cat herding in sometime i'll take care of it. I will be going to Cafe Pacifico on Friday 22nd of August (next friday), I shall be aiming to sit down at the table for 7pm. If you would like to come along, please email me offlist by say monday evening and i shall book an appropriately sized table. I'll probably bring my wife along, so it might be a good chance to bring your own ``signficant other'' to meet some perl mongers. That is all, Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bra
* Elaine -HFB- Ashton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Gads, given the choice, I'd almost rather have photos of you all wearing it on your head Animal House style just to get it over with :) It'd be a fitting addition to the toilet seat around the neck series Last time you made a wise crack like that you ended up auction your bra, be careful what you suggest this time ;-) Greg p.s. also weird science style -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RFC] arbitary maths evaluation
* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: For various reasons I needed to write something that would evaluate an arbitary math's expression safely (i.e not just run it through eval ). you could always just use google, maybe write a screen scraper for, have you seen the google calculator, its very good ;-) Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Oops - I meant OT Virtual Reality?
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: Damon Davison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 8/6/03 2:50:21 PM On Wednesday 06 August 2003 16:38, Dave Cross wrote: I think that you're confusing us with ny.pm. We do actually like to think that Perl discussion is encouraged here. Didn't Gabor Szabo mention at YAPC::Europe that even with London.pm's average of 800 list messages a month, Israel.pm's list average of 200 still had more posts about Perl? (I hope I'm not making up these numbers...) Oh that sounds quite likely. I'm just contrasting us with ny.pm where Perl discussion is explicitly barred from the mailing list. Hopefully DHA can pop up and clarify this. I believe that discussion about Perl is ok as long as it also involveds beer/whisky/whiskey/bourbon. The only thing I can recall seeing actively discouraged was whining about people discussing beer/whisky/whiskey/bourbon. I really should resubscribe soon. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Oops - I meant OT Virtual Reality?
* Nicholas Clark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I wonder how many previously unknown identical twins (or quadruplets) will be attending tomorrow. Yes, these sudden arrivals should be ignored, of course those of us who have previously hand our twins turn up to non-heretical/heretical meetings have demonstrated our twin status conclusively in the past. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Oops - I meant OT Virtual Reality?
* the hatter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, James Campbell wrote: Humble appologies Why's it OT, is he doing it in perl ? i'm not sure that Perl was ever considered OT, its just that it made up a smaller percentage than one might expect for a Perl related list. G. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Meetings
* Mark Fowler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Nigel Rantor wrote: would be interested in any signs that you lot think are indicative. As Dave said, we'll be in the cellar bar so it shouldn't be too hard to find us. I'm bringing party hats. And to help people find me, I'll be wearing (for one night only) one of the many totally unique tie-dyed Learning Perl t-shirts that Dan made. will other people be wearing clothes they won at the auction - leon? G. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Orange
* Leo Lapworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 11:50:41AM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote: On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Dave Cross wrote: On a similar note, I assume that Leon only won control of our web site for one year. As I stated when I took over leadership, I'm not going to fiddle with minor things, so it's up to the webmaster (Leo.) Well, what with it being YAPC::EU in a couple of weeks, and Mr Greggy will be running the auction I personally feel that it should be reauctioned - I'm quite happy to impliment more than just a colour change - Hmm.. little sheep (http://www.cuckoo.org/features/sheep/) all over the site - I'd put some cash forward for that... you could have a nice sheep background image, tastefully faded of course, or a nice buffy background image. or perhaps stars and stripes, draig goch or tricolore as the background. of course someone could organise a bid to give it a nice easy on the eyes makeover and return it to a nice sensible design. the key to winning is probably to get like minded people to join you in a bid. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Any Mini owners on this list?
* Jasper McCrea ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Joel Bernstein wrote: On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 06:23:05PM +, Andy Ford wrote: 6'4 and 16 1/2 stone - I'd need a convertible, the wheel in the middle and sit on the rear seat!! No, you don't sound very Mini. I'm 6'3, and there's plenty of room in both types of mini for me. I'm not so generously proportioned, though :) an old school friend of mine was 6'6 not particularly broad, but he still drove a old style mini comfortably, the seats went really far back, so i guess it would have been a problem if more than myself (a mere 6', but fairly 'broad') and him were in the car. i also seem to remember that mini's were great fun for hand brake turns - but i was young and silly then, (as opposed to old and silly), Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
auction time
Well its nearly YAPC::Europe again and that means we have to find some extra items to sell all in order to make sure that the conference pays its bills and future conferences can continue to keep the price down. So does anyone have anything that they think would sell? You can give something physical e.g. Dave Cross just bought and gave us some signed Willow/Buffy photos a few years ago (Buffy sold for more), or maybe you can offer your services to write a testsuite for something or you could sell something very conceptual like a date - however the last one works best if its original and you have two parties who disagree on it and are willing to put some cash of their own and to persuade others to help out to get the result they want. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: auction time
* Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether: So does anyone have anything that they think would sell? I would just like to point out that I have already been auctioned off this month and that auctioning me off again would create a conflict between my buyers. Absolutely Leon YOU cannot auction yourself off, however Jos and Elaine can ;-) Come to think of it I need someone to do all my shit work, scan, crack copyrights, whatever I want. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: auction time
* Rafael Garcia-Suarez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greg McCarroll wrote: So does anyone have anything that they think would sell? I could sell a running joke, or another recurrent mention of something, for the P5P summaries. - That's not like I was copying on Piers. Is it ? straw poll - would anyone be interested in bidding on this? just think you could give Rafael a word to use every time and see how long it took people to spot it. or maybe you could buy it and propose to your loved one via a P5P summary, how romantic! ;-) Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: leytonstone.pm
* Andy Mendelsohn ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 08:17 pm, Andrew Beattie wrote: Andy Wardley wrote: I don't remember doing anything so embarrassing that I can't face the public humiliation. Such as this... http://www.reckites.com/naked/abw.jpg Andrew Actually, Andy, I apologise for drawing you into this mess. I was sure i had one of you too - but the only ones I can find are of Messrs. D.cross, L.Brocard and P.Makepeace. And the reserve price is... i believe embarassing pictures are best displayed 12'x8' via a projector ;-) -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Going to Pub Tommorow (Thursday) Night
* Tim Sweetman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: someone says serendipity and a bunch of neurons labelled Dogma light up, Metatron (Rickman)'s rant is very relevant. indeed it was, but i shouldn't be talking about this just now, i'm not even supposed to be here today, Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Going to Pub Tommorow (Thursday) Night
Some of us (Kake and I, and maybe others) are going to the pub tommorow (thursday) night, we will be there from earlyish to lateish. The pub that has been choosen after much careful thought is, http://grault.net/cgi-bin/grubstreet.pl?Anchor_Bankside,_SE1_9EF This will be the final test of the Anchor for me to decide if it is still a fun pub or not after its refurbishment. If anyone is coming for the first time to a social meet feel free to mail me off list for a mobile number. Err not that this is an official social meet, its just drinking by the river. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Advert] indy hardware for sale
* Piers Cawley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Some of the less interesting stuff that I will be getting rid of includes, HP SureStore 2000 Tape Drive That's SCSI DAT right? yip. with two centronics male ports on the back (its external), and a neato little switch to set its scsi id. i've never used it so i can't tell you much more than that. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Advert] indy hardware for sale
* Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: HP SureStore 2000 Tape Drive AIWA External SCSI CD-Rom (a buyer of one of the indys might like this, although both machines can install via the net thanks to their funky netboot proms) Sun Sparc Classic seeing i've been mailed quite a lot about these extras that i didnt think would be as interesting as the SGI kit, the other stuff i have for sale (just offer something _below_ but not a million miles away from the ebay norm) are, Microsoft Steering Wheel and Accelerator/Brake Combo (happy to accept low price if someone hooks the pedals up to emacs for laughs) VT220 orange screen, 0 key is off the keyboard but i think i've got it somewhere - handy as a linux fileserver console Icy Docks - removal hard disk units that have lcd displays of temperature etc and extra fans. Xircom double height PCMCIA card (no more dongles) i'm also going to be flogging duplicate books, DVD's, computer games etc on ebay, but if anyone is interested in any of this mail me for a sneak preview at the list before it goes to ebay. sorry to do this on the channel but i felt the SGI kit would be popular, if anyone would like to share interesting SGI anecdotes that might bring some content back to this thread. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Perl Color?
* Elaine -HFB- Ashton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: furnishings and clothing don't come with the 'garanimal' tags for matching like they did when I was a kid. :) what are garanimal tags, i'm sure google would tell me where is the social interaction in that. as for the colour of perl shurely its octarine wheter you are a pratchett fan or not. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Last-ish call for YAPC::EU travel/accomodation
could you just comfirm that im on the list? * Simon Wilcox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Many thanks to everyone who has replied requesting various combinations of travel and accomodation. I will be submitting the list to the travel agent on Monday morning. After this time I can't guarantee that we'll be able to get extra people into the hotel so make sure I get your details before Monday. More details here : http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm-announce/2003-May/56.html Simon. -- Bambleweeny 57 Submeson Brain -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pattern matching against phonenumbers
WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING! Those of you who have no interest in the discussion of football and have no patience for the discussion of things that you are not interested in should skip this mail. --- * Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On 12 Apr 2003 at 12:26, David Cantrell wrote: And then there's Gibraltar. Which has its own country code, but is also an area code in the Spanish system. I think Liechtenstein is similar; it has its own country code but also (IIRC) a Swiss area code that can be used when calling from Switzerland. My interesting fact about Liechtenstein (thank heavens pne spelt it for me, otherwise i would of missed the first 'e' and probably some of the L's, i's,other e's,c's,h's,t's ... anyway you get the idea. Anyway the interesting fact is that its population is less than the average gate at a premiership match, and the England team still didnt beat them in the recent match convincingly. Anyway I'll return you to your normal service of meta discussion about e-mail. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rugby
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tuesday, March 25, 2003 22:17 + Joel Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I'm silly, or maybe it's hidden upstairs, but I've never noticed a TV in the PoH... That's because, like all sensible landlords, Dan keeps the fucking thing turned off most of the time. But it *will* be showing the match. Ok, the pillars of hercules it is, i'll probably be there an hour before kickoff (i.e. 13:00 for 14:00 kickoff) - this is partly to get a good seat and have a beer or two but also to insulate me from the effects of forgetting that the clocks have gone forward. Greg -- *** *** *** Email address has changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please *** *** update your email address book. *** *** *** Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
rugby
Ok, its been talked about in the past, but does anyone have any plans for a london.pm meet up to watch Ireland kick Englands arse on sunday. How about somewhere nice and central as well, what about the pillars of hercules? or does someone have a better suggestion? Greg -- *** *** *** Email address has changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please *** *** update your email address book. *** *** *** Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rugby
* Peter Sergeant ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Ok, its been talked about in the past, but does anyone have any plans for a london.pm meet up to watch Ireland kick Englands arse on sunday. How about somewhere nice and central as well, what about the pillars of hercules? or does someone have a better suggestion? I'm planning to be in a pub but obviously watching a different game to you as in my game, Ireland get their arse kicked by England :) I was going to say, will it really be possible to find a pub that shows Ireland beating England? Seems unlikely... bring it on. G. -- *** *** *** Email address has changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please *** *** update your email address book. *** *** *** Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOB] perl database programming
If anyone is looking for a contract position, average market rate, doing DBI + SQL stuff give me a mail offlist. You should probably have 3 commericial years of DBI/SQL and be happy with basic RDBMS optomisation on a commercial database (Sybase, Oracle, DB2, ...). Greg -- *** *** *** Email address has changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please *** *** update your email address book. *** *** *** Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dim sum
* S Watkins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Sounds intersting, and I'm bored. Which website? hmm, i can't find it on grubstreet or london.pm , anyway its on gerrard place in china town, you can't miss it Greg -- *** *** *** Email address has changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please *** *** update your email address book. *** *** *** Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why Assembler is better than Perl
At last years YAPC::Europe (you know the really cool European conference you should go to), Nick started off the why $foo is better than Perl competition so he could generously give away some of his hard earned money to YAS. Its currently in a very special phase of rediscovery, however I recently came across the first entry, which was scribbled down on the back of a napkin (ok, menu) by Damian, so I scanned it as I thought you guys might enjoy it, so without further ado ... Why Assembler is better than Perl. http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/dc_why_assembler_is_better_than_perl.png (If you find it particularly amusing please feel free to give something to YAS) Greg p.s. it might be slow going over ADSL but just you lot wait a week, oh yes, and then you will all see who has a slow webserver and who has not, oh yes indeedy. -- *** *** *** Email address has changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please *** *** update your email address book. *** *** *** Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
dim sum
Joel and I are going for dim sum on friday at the new world (see website for details) at around 1pm, feel free to join us if you want. (probably good to get there for 12.50ish, so that if you are 5 minutes late its cool and that we know how many to get a table for) Thats it really, Greg -- *** *** *** Email address has changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please *** *** update your email address book. *** *** *** Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Learning regular expressions
* Mark Fowler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Phil Dobbin wrote: You can't go wrong with Jeffrey Friedl's `Mastering Regular Expressions' (O'Reilly: 1-56592-257-3). You'd be better off with the 2nd Edition. O'Reilly: 0-596-00289-0 http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/regex2/ Shouldn't someone be reviewing this for the site? *looks down at the ground and shuffles feet nervously* Greg -- *** *** *** Email address has changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please *** *** update your email address book. *** *** *** Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Learning regular expressions
* Chris Benson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 12:41:18PM +, Phil Dobbin wrote: Hey, I've bought thirty-two O'Reilly books as it is ;-) I'll raise you: (gulp) forty-eight at home[*] including the 1988 (first?) edition of the X11 manuals. I blame Josette. You can't turn round without getting a discount: London PerlMounger - get a discount, Tyneside PerlMounger - get a discount, UKUUG member - get a discount, ... :-) /me sits in the corner looking smug -- *** *** *** Email address has changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please *** *** update your email address book. *** *** *** Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Perl6 vs Ocaml (was Re: Perl 6 Apocalypse 6)
* Nick Woolley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tuesday 11 Mar 2003 5:37 pm, Greg McCarroll wrote: however I can say that ML[1] is very rewarding until you try and do anything involving interactive user input in it, then there is a hurdle which you must cross and after that follows blind devotion and madness. Apparently OCaml has GTK and MySQL bindings, would that ameliorate this barrier? Could it be used as a CGI language perhaps? i used ML and motif once to create a multiuser diary and thats what i was thinking of at the time i wrote the above, just having the bindings would not make the mind trip you need to do easier. functional languages are really cool for maths etc, but it takes another leap of faith to move to interactive stuff, i'm not saying interactive programming is bad in them i'm just saying it takes a little bit of a head shift to feel happy doing it, at least for me. Greg -- *** *** *** Email address has changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please *** *** update your email address book. *** *** *** Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Magazines
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [ apologies if this appears twice. i'm sure i remember typing it this morning, but there seems to be no evidence to support this ] I've got almost complete collections of the UK magazines Linux Format and Linux Magazine and most of the last 3 or 4 years of Linux Journal and Web Techniques (aka New Architect). I've decided that they take up too much space and I never use them as the useful articles are all on the web anyway. So, they'll all be off to the tip a week on Sunday. Alternatively they are free to anyone who wants to pick them up from my house before then. if nobody else wants them i might have be interested, however not before sunday - this would be so much simpler if you still drank as i could just bring a bottle of calvados round as payment and we could drink that sheesh, i have no idea how to arrange collection, so please give them away if its hassle. Greg -- *** *** *** Email address has changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please *** *** update your email address book. *** *** *** Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Magazines
* Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [ apologies if this appears twice. i'm sure i remember typing it this morning, but there seems to be no evidence to support this ] I've got almost complete collections of the UK magazines Linux Format and Linux Magazine and most of the last 3 or 4 years of Linux Journal and Web Techniques (aka New Architect). I've decided that they take up too much space and I never use them as the useful articles are all on the web anyway. So, they'll all be off to the tip a week on Sunday. Alternatively they are free to anyone who wants to pick them up from my house before then. if nobody else wants them i might have be interested, however not before sunday - this would be so much simpler if you still drank as i could just bring a bottle of calvados round as payment and we could drink that sheesh, i have no idea how to arrange collection, so please give them away if its hassle. (sorry folks that should have been a private email) -- *** *** *** Email address has changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please *** *** update your email address book. *** *** *** Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Perl 6 Apocalypse 6
* Simon Wilcox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In answer to Greg's hope of supplanting Java, ain't never gonna happen whilst Sun has more marketing dollars than Perl has ! It has to be said, that I wasn't fully expectant of that, but I was trying to end on a high note and to quote only Python is embarassing. And yet I keep seeing people coming out with cool new projects written in Python not Perl. Greg -- *** *** *** Email address has changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please *** *** update your email address book. *** *** *** Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Perl 6 Apocalypse 6
* Luis Campos de Carvalho ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: - Original Message - From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 10:13 AM It has to be said, that I wasn't fully expectant of that, but I was trying to end on a high note and to quote only Python is embarassing. And yet I keep seeing people coming out with cool new projects written in Python not Perl. Greg And here comes a good question: What are the goodies inside Python that keeps folks coming out with cool new projects written in Python not Perl? Are any of this goodies being introduced into Apocalipse (6|7)? well, my evidence is anecdotal admitedly and i don't know why people chose python (i will of course speculate) , however in the space of two weeks i saw, a) a new napster-a-like app, but aimed at downloading big files using `swarm' technology, called BitTorrent, it is the sort of thing that would be great for downloading debian ISO's, lord of the rings trailors and for other more questionable downloads. (google for bittorent for more info) - this is written in Python and its the sort of thing i would have traditionally expected to see in C or C++, i don't think i would have expected to see it in Perl as 5.8 experimentation led me to believe that complex server type stuff wasnt always ideal in Perl due to problems with signals (feel free to tell me i'm wrong) b) a project in $large_media_organisation , written in Python and XUL that could have easily been written in Perl, but because it was Python the guy was left to get on with it and delivered a great piece of software - now python is being well regarded in that department as it has a 100% success rate - in this case i think its a lack of history of seeing junior python programmmers bite off more than they can chew, so to speak that means python is being regarded well in both of these case the python projects benefited due to a lack of `sins of the fathers' as opposed to specific bits of technology as compared with current Perl implementations/modules. Greg -- *** *** *** Email address has changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please *** *** update your email address book. *** *** *** Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Test More Branding
So I was on IRC today, and someone (feel free to name yourself) was talking about how cool it would be to have perlforge / perl breadbasked / oyster bed (as you can see we got into naming). Anyway whatever it would be called it would be a repository of Perl apps, such as Siesta, NMS, etc. As is often the way with such subjects discussion ensued, and someone else mentioned that scripts/ exists on CPAN. Anyway, i'm not sure I think its a good idea putting all that energy into a web page that would go out of date so fast, so naturally I had a better idea, and after explaining it someone (the first one) asked me to email him. Now I'm cautious of writing an email that will do no good if he runs out of tuits, so I'm sending this to the list. What I'd like to see is a Tested with Test::More button sized image. And i'd like to see apps/modules that use Test::More or Test::Simple to display it via a link. The link would go to a cgi/m_p script that also generated a referer list (later on we can come up with a cunning scheme of categorisation) for projects that use Test::More. I think this would give a good start page for applications that use Perl and at the very least are aware of Test::More. I know this is only a mere fraction of what CPANTS could do, but it would be a start. Thoughts? Greg -- *** *** *** Email address has changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please *** *** update your email address book. *** *** *** Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: London.pm Aptitude Test
* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 10:09:29AM +, Lusercop wrote: On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 12:08:09AM -0500, David H. Adler wrote: On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 01:51:43PM +1030, sue gray wrote: Do you like camels as much as greg does? *no one* likes camels as much as greg. [also ducks] Greg likes ducks? I'd hardly be surprised. m, hoi sin, spread tenderely over the breast err, i better stop there, otherwise i dread to think what sort of fake photographs will be made after the next time i go out for a chinese meal with you lot. Greg -- *** *** *** Email address has changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please *** *** update your email address book. *** *** *** Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A sad announcement
* Roger Burton West ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 04:26:11PM +, David Cantrell wrote: It is with regret that I have to announce the passing of my Copious Free Time, as I have imminent unrecovery. I shall shortly be back doing programming with a side-order of adminning. Sysadminning you say? Ah well won't be much difference from CFT then in terms of actual work done. /stereotypical programmer attitude ;-) -- *** *** *** Email address has changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please *** *** update your email address book. *** *** *** Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: London.pm Aptitude Test
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: CyberTiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2/27/03 2:25:14 PM Do you like pie ? Do you like kittens ? Do you like Buffy ? Do you like beer ? Hmmm. 2 out of 4. That's not very good. I'm sure I'm more than 50% suited to be in london.pm. Your test must be broken. which two of the 4 do you not like? i note that choosing not to indulge in something doesnt mean you don't like it. -- *** *** *** Email address has changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please *** *** update your email address book. *** *** *** Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IDE for windows?
* Alex McLintock ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Depends what you want. I hear good things about Eclipse... and jedit seems to be popular - but whether or not these are IDE's which do what you want the nicest thing about Eclipse in my somewhat skewed view of the world is the fact it had a todo list built in at the bottom of the ide (i think or at least i am reliably informed that you can do something similar in MS VS). however last time i looked there was no Perl plugins that would do syntax highlighting or indenting (this may have changed). it is also written in Java which means that it should run anywhere[1]. Greg [1] sometimes i just crack myself up ;-) -- *** *** *** Email address has changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please *** *** update your email address book. *** *** *** Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [buffy] is leaving?
* Jason Clifford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, James Powell wrote: to be replaced by the much fitter Eliza Dushku http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/2756657.stm I am not convinced. I don't think 3 episodes would be enough to set this up and Faith taking over the main slayer role would be too great a change to the central cast dynamics. Change the central cast dynamics yes, but there is a lot of mileage there ... Xander + Faith = lets just remember the hotel incidents Willow + Faith = Willows maternal concern about Xander Anya + Faith = jealousy etc. Giles + Faith = giles hanging around to sort out this wet behind the ears slayers Spike + Faith = love/hate relationship Dawn + Faith = bah who knows, maybe they will drop Dawn it will also darken BtVS a lot more, and Angel which darker is doing a lot better this season imho, ymmv -- *** *** *** Email address has changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please *** *** update your email address book. *** *** *** Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PUB] Rising Sun, Ebury Bridge Road, Victoria
On the subject of beer and not venues, * Joel Bernstein ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: The advantages I'd see are that it's a nice pub, not encumbered by suits, cnuts or Sam Smith's beer. And I don't see it being much harder to get to than the 3 Cups, Calthorpe Arms or even the Sun Tavern. Sam Smith's beer is generally crap, the best you can probably have is the taddy porter, but after about 4 or so they start becoming way too overpowering in taste and not in a good way (like the plum beer at the PoH) but they do make a very good Weissbier. It's a good deal better than Hoegaarden, but of course nowhere near as good as even Erdinger. i'd guess this beer also has the same scalability issues as the taddy porter ;-) the other problem with a SS pub is that once you decide you have had enough of their beer you cant move to more pleasant wine/spirits, as their `own brand' wines and spirits are pretty ghastly as well since i've been working at broadcasting house i've been astonished by how many SS pubs are around that place, there are pubs within 100 yards of each other both owned by SS, go another 100 yards and its another SS pub, however while out walking the other day i discovered a green king (is that greene king?) who do great IPA, so i need to scout that place out for friday lunchtime beer fun Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dim Sum Today (Thursday)
Some of us are having dim sum today (Thursday) at 1pm, in a break from the norm we are going to try somewhere new, called Chuen Cheng Ku or Chen Cheng Ku to find it, Go down Wardour Street from Shaftesbury Avenue, the Chen Chueng Ku is pretty much opposite the end of Lisle Street. streetmap at, http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=529728y=180775z=1sv=529750,180750st=4ar=Y Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Oldest machine still running perl
* the hatter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I will open the bidding with a 486DX2-66 Running Debian 2.2 (still working as a firewall/NAT) I see your dx2-66, and raise(/lower) you my dx2-50. Curses, if onlyI hadn't found that machine in a skip a year or two back, Hmm, the 486 was around 93/94 wasnt it? if so i raise you an original indy which i am currently using as an X server and writing this email on. the indy was released about 92/93 IIRC. and yes it has perl on it. (its running debian if anyone is interested). Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] William Gibson blogs
* Toby|Wintrmute ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: If you're interested in this sort of stuff, William Gibson has started a blog on his site, at: http://www.williamgibsonbooks.com/ Wow, its really cool to see gibson active on the net ... just as he releases a new book. Why if i was a cynic i'd almost suggest his blog was a marketting tactic that is trying to tap into the blog scene. Ack, i don't believe I just used the phrase 'the blog scene', i need to leave now to either wash my fingers for a couple of hours or see if the daily mail need a new internet correspondent. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
