[Lsr] 答复: Working Group Adoption of "IGP Unreachable Prefix Announcement" - draft-ppsenak-lsr-igp-ureach-prefix-announce-04 (Fixed draft name)

2023-08-29 Thread Xuguoqi
Object its adoption.

This document does not solves area/domain partition, but this is a very common 
scenario. 
From the perspective of comprehensiveness and maturity, I think 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/ Draft-wang-lsr-prefix-unreachable-annoucement 
is a better choice.

Thanks,
Guoqi Xu

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发件人: Lsr [mailto:lsr-boun...@ietf.org] 代表 Acee Lindem
发送时间: 2023年8月24日 04:07
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draft-ppsenak-lsr-igp-ureach-prefix-announce-04 (Fixed draft name)

LSR Working Group,

This begins the working group adoption call for “IGP Unreachable Prefix 
Announcement” - draft-ppsenak-lsr-igp-unreach-prefix-announce-04.
Please indicate your support or objection on this list prior to September 7th, 
2023. 

Thanks,
Acee
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[Lsr] 答复: Working Group Adoption of "IGP Unreachable Prefix Announcement" - draft-ppsenak-lsr-igp-ureach-prefix-announce-04 (Fixed draft name)

2023-08-24 Thread Aijun Wang
Hi, Acee:

Please read carefully the description in 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wang-lsr-prefix-unreachable-annoucement-00#section-3:

"In another situation, assume the BGP session is built between Node S2
   and T2, via Ps2 and Pt2 respectively.  If Node S2 within area 1
   become unreachable, the unreachable information can't be advertised
   to Node T2 because the summary behaviour on border router R1/R3.  The
   BGP session between S1 and T2 will be kept until the BGP keepalive
   timeout or other detection mechanism takes effect.  During this
   period, the BGP traffic to Node S2 will be in black hole."

Considering the usage of "infinite metric", version 00 of the 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ppsenak-lsr-igp-ureach-prefix-announce-00
 took the implicit signaling approach, it wants to redefine the meaning of 
"infinite metric".  Only after the intense discussions, it switched to the 
explicit signaling approach(version 02, March 2023), which is the direction 
that 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-lsr-prefix-unreachable-annoucement/ 
took from the beginning(version 00, October, 2019).

>From the above foundation information, I would like to hear why you can't 
>admit that draft 
>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-lsr-prefix-unreachable-annoucement/
> is the first document that provide the problem and the explicit signaling 
>mechanism. 

Best Regards

Aijun Wang
China Telecom


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发件人: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee.i...@gmail.com] 
发送时间: 2023年8月24日 23:46
收件人: Aijun Wang 
抄送: lsr ; draft-ppsenak-lsr-igp-ureach-prefix-annou...@ietf.org
主题: Re: [Lsr] Working Group Adoption of "IGP Unreachable Prefix Announcement" - 
draft-ppsenak-lsr-igp-ureach-prefix-announce-04 (Fixed draft name)

Speaking as WG member: 

> On Aug 24, 2023, at 04:59, Aijun Wang  wrote:
> 
> Object its adoption.
> 
> The reasons are the followings:
> 1) It is not the initial draft to describe the problem and provide the 
> solution. 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-lsr-prefix-unreachable-annoucement/
> 2) The problem and the explicit signaling mechanism is firstly provided by in 
> its 00 version(October,2019), far earlier than the current proposal and its 
> 00 version(March, 2022).

Let me help you refresh your memory - the -00 version of this draft solved a 
completely different problem. The unreachability signaling to other 
applications (e.g., BGP PIC) was only added after publication of the draft 
under adoption. Over revisions, other aspects of the draft under adoption were 
also appropriated (e.g., using infinite metrics). So, your claims of being 
“first" are unfounded. Let’s stick to the technical differences between the 
drafts. 

Thanks,
Acee



> 3) Even after the proposed draft adopt the explicit signaling mechanism, it 
> still lacks other mechanisms that can cover more prefixes unreachable 
> scenarios, as stated in the 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-lsr-prefix-unreachable-annoucement/
> 
> The LSR WG should consider to adopt the more comprehensive and simple 
> solution, not the partial and complex design. 
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> Aijun Wang
> China Telecom
> 
> 
> -邮件原件-
> 发件人: lsr-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:lsr-boun...@ietf.org] 代表 Acee Lindem
> 发送时间: 2023年8月24日 4:07
> 收件人: lsr 
> 抄送: draft-ppsenak-lsr-igp-ureach-prefix-annou...@ietf.org
> 主题: [Lsr] Working Group Adoption of "IGP Unreachable Prefix Announcement" - 
> draft-ppsenak-lsr-igp-ureach-prefix-announce-04 (Fixed draft name)
> 
> LSR Working Group,
> 
> This begins the working group adoption call for “IGP Unreachable Prefix 
> Announcement” - draft-ppsenak-lsr-igp-unreach-prefix-announce-04.
> Please indicate your support or objection on this list prior to September 
> 7th, 2023. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Acee
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[Lsr] 答复: Working Group Adoption of "IGP Unreachable Prefix Announcement" - draft-ppsenak-lsr-igp-ureach-prefix-announce-04 (Fixed draft name)

2023-08-24 Thread Aijun Wang
Object its adoption.

The reasons are the followings:
1) It is not the initial draft to describe the problem and provide the solution.
2) The problem and the explicit signaling mechanism is firstly provided by 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-lsr-prefix-unreachable-annoucement/ 
in its 00 version(October,2019), far earlier than the current proposal and its 
00 version(March, 2022).
3) Even after the proposed draft adopt the explicit signaling mechanism, it 
still lacks other mechanisms that can cover more prefixes unreachable 
scenarios, as stated in the 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-lsr-prefix-unreachable-annoucement/

The LSR WG should consider to adopt the more comprehensive and simple solution, 
not the partial and complex design. 

Best Regards

Aijun Wang
China Telecom


-邮件原件-
发件人: lsr-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:lsr-boun...@ietf.org] 代表 Acee Lindem
发送时间: 2023年8月24日 4:07
收件人: lsr 
抄送: draft-ppsenak-lsr-igp-ureach-prefix-annou...@ietf.org
主题: [Lsr] Working Group Adoption of "IGP Unreachable Prefix Announcement" - 
draft-ppsenak-lsr-igp-ureach-prefix-announce-04 (Fixed draft name)

LSR Working Group,

This begins the working group adoption call for “IGP Unreachable Prefix 
Announcement” - draft-ppsenak-lsr-igp-unreach-prefix-announce-04.
Please indicate your support or objection on this list prior to September 7th, 
2023. 

Thanks,
Acee
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