Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)
Hi Mario, there have been issues with grub and multiple hard drives, this affects all ubuntu's (and also debian). There is a bug fix out, but that had not been fully signed off (see Colin Watsons own comments). https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/496435 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/496435The solution /work around does seem to be the one currently advised. OK, . it appears that having run dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc and making the proper selections results in defaulting to the proper behaviour I will however try some different scenarios as time allows, and hopefully we can all monitor the behavior as development proceeds. So, if this behavior stands as-is, I'd guess reinstalling grub 2 needs to be done with dpkg-reconfigure rather than grub-install to ensure that the preferred behavior is saved as default. That certainly seems simple enough. I suggest you have a read of that bug report and try what it suggests. If you still have a problem, then have a read on http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=333 You are not alone, feel free to post on there some of the guys are quite skilled in sorting this problem out. Regards, Phill. On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Mario Behling m...@mariobehling.de wrote: Dear all, forwarded a bug report below. Best, Mario -- Forwarded message -- From: Abnormal Terminate(R) abnormal...@gmail.com Date: Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:35 AM Subject: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release) To: Mario Behling m...@mariobehling.de Hi! I cannot create Bug Report, because it I put it here... Environment: 1. Using a PC, who can be uses an USB external HDD or SSD (and can be mounted as sdb device). 2. Install Lubuntu from CD to this USB HDD (as variant, install to SDHD Flash Card, plugged into PCs CardReader), mounted as sdb1. 3. Using Parted Editing manually, and put / for all device space without swap. Result of Install Lubuntu: 1. After normally ended Installation Process, my PC has the MBR on FIRST HDD (!!!), but I _use not_ this device for installation Lubintu, not use it completely! 2. On my PC cannot be starts none PS' File Systems without having as plugged External Devices because MBD find it and stooped without this External HDD or SDD. It has black screen only and display Diagnostic Message on this situation. Resume: It's stupidly situation. And who is this developer, who wrote a code for use as default FIRST HDD (mounted as sda) for put MBR, but loading Grub from SECOND HDD (mounted as sdb), if the User set up as work (loadable) Device SECOND HDD or other device?! And Setup absolutely have not any position for user's choosing about a Device, who can be uses as place for the Master Boot Record... It is absolutely abnormal situation, IMHO. For example, Ubuntu (or Xbuntu) Installer has an option for choosing a place for create MBR with choosing place for Grub too. Thanks for possibility of understanding. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] games
Le samedi 26 juin 2010 à 14:30 +0200, 神癒礁湖 · Rafael Laguna a écrit : Briquolo. In repos. 1,7 mb in five debs. Amazing! Interesting :) Well I forgot to mention that you can request some games, with following needs : - In official Ubuntu repo. - No big depends - no 3D necessary - need to be fun :) I'll be happy to add some of them in Lubuntu :) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] put back task bar(Window List) lxde
Hi, well, it had to happen :-) Remove Task Bar (Windows List) From Panel Once someone has done that, how do they get it back? (I'm too big a coward to try that on my system, so it's possibly one for the devs) Thanks, Phill. it reminds me of the Do NOT remove network manager warning I see on the support forum ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] put back task bar(Window List) lxde
Thanks Andy, I just have to wait for the OP to come back on. Thanks, Phill. On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:55 PM, Andrew Woodhead andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com wrote: Right click the panel - properties (or edit panel). You will then see a dialogue like this: http://lxde.sourceforge.net/screenshots/lxpanel_pref.png You can then readd the task bar (window list) item all done On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:50 PM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.netwrote: Hi, well, it had to happen :-) Remove Task Bar (Windows List) From Panel Once someone has done that, how do they get it back? (I'm too big a coward to try that on my system, so it's possibly one for the devs) Thanks, Phill. it reminds me of the Do NOT remove network manager warning I see on the support forum ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)
On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 09:57:05 +0700 Quynh Vu Do vdqu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, 2010/6/27 Goh Lip g@gmx.com On 06/27/2010 01:57 AM, Mario Behling wrote: Dear all, forwarded a bug report below. Best, Mario 1. After normally ended Installation Process, my PC has the MBR on FIRST HDD (!!!), but I _use not_ this device for installation Lubintu, not use it completely! 2. On my PC cannot be starts none PS' File Systems without having as plugged External Devices because MBD find it and stooped without this External HDD or SDD. It has black screen only and display Diagnostic Message on this situation. Mario, did not see the OP (abnormal) post on this list. But from what I gather, he has installed the grub to the external disk. Naturally, there is no way the system be able to boot this up. It's the contray I think. This is a common mistake when you install Ubuntu to a USB device because by default Grub is installed to the first hard disk (/dev/sda). Ont he last screen of the installation process you need to click on the Advanced button and select the place where Grub should be installed and -in case of installation to an USB drive, you should choose that USB drive (eg /dev/sdb). In this case you can use that USB device to boot any computer. Failing to do that (i.e. using the default of /dev/sda), you'll need the USB device plugged in the computer for Grub to start (otherwise it will display an error). You can of course re-install Grub on the first hard disk if you want to get rid of the necessity to have the USB device plugged in in order to boot the computer from the (internal) first hard disk. I learned this from several mistakes in the past. I also read somewhere that it's safer to disconnect the internal hard drive before installing to a USB device so that you don't get mixed between hard disks. Regards -- Vu Do Quynh (M.) Hanoi, Vietnam Quynh, first, please read my post on the Lubuntu mailing list. http://www.mail-archive.com/lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net/msg01347.html I understand what you say and I know it is a very common issue with people installing OS on the thumb. I add this is more a problem with grub legacy as the (hd0,x) and /dev/sdax will change with every boot - the change effected by the bios, not the OS.It is less a problem with grub2 as the boot searches for uuid. However, if the grub is installed at the external drive, and in my opinion, is a fatal thing to do, there is every possibility of the system not booting up. Also, the existence of a bug report does not imply there is anything intrinsically wrong with it, but could be the result of the implementation of the installation, in this case, the setting up of the grub of the external disk to the mbr (sda, in our lingo) of the hard disk. Again, this must not be done and the fault, if we can call it that, of the developers, is to enable it by default. But then, how can the system recognize that the grub is from the external and not the hard disk and that should be the default if setting grub of a hard disk partition? So to call the developers stupid is in my mind, unjustified, crass and stupid in itself. Not understanding the way it works is no justification for rudeness, and even then, if the developers have indeed make a mistake, and they will, it is bad behaviour of any culture to be rude. Quynh, if there is any specific thing you want to bring up after reading my post, please feel free to address it. As of this message, I do not see any thing specific to address. Regards - Goh Lip ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)
Goh, I'm not quite sure how to explain this to you? Rule #1 You install *buntu it works, if it does not work it does not break anything. At present it can totally break things. There is no point arguing over it, just go see the forum area for people for whom it has broken there is no point saying that it is does not, as there are a lot of people saying that it does. The problems with grub2 and Win7 were bad enough under the 'older' grub2. You do not seem to have read through that thread fully some links to read, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/576724 http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~cjwatson/blosxom/2010/06/21#2010-06-21-grub2-boot-problems and, of course http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9502020postcount=16 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9502020postcount=16At which point did you detached from end user reality Goh, I really suggest you keep on track with the thread on the maverick discussion thread, because unless lubuntu ditches grub for burg, (which we cannot do) we are stuck with what the devs for grub enforce upon us. Regards, Phill. On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 5:28 AM, Goh Lip g@gmx.com wrote: On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 09:57:05 +0700 Quynh Vu Do vdqu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, 2010/6/27 Goh Lip g@gmx.com On 06/27/2010 01:57 AM, Mario Behling wrote: Dear all, forwarded a bug report below. Best, Mario 1. After normally ended Installation Process, my PC has the MBR on FIRST HDD (!!!), but I _use not_ this device for installation Lubintu, not use it completely! 2. On my PC cannot be starts none PS' File Systems without having as plugged External Devices because MBD find it and stooped without this External HDD or SDD. It has black screen only and display Diagnostic Message on this situation. Mario, did not see the OP (abnormal) post on this list. But from what I gather, he has installed the grub to the external disk. Naturally, there is no way the system be able to boot this up. It's the contray I think. This is a common mistake when you install Ubuntu to a USB device because by default Grub is installed to the first hard disk (/dev/sda). Ont he last screen of the installation process you need to click on the Advanced button and select the place where Grub should be installed and -in case of installation to an USB drive, you should choose that USB drive (eg /dev/sdb). In this case you can use that USB device to boot any computer. Failing to do that (i.e. using the default of /dev/sda), you'll need the USB device plugged in the computer for Grub to start (otherwise it will display an error). You can of course re-install Grub on the first hard disk if you want to get rid of the necessity to have the USB device plugged in in order to boot the computer from the (internal) first hard disk. I learned this from several mistakes in the past. I also read somewhere that it's safer to disconnect the internal hard drive before installing to a USB device so that you don't get mixed between hard disks. Regards -- Vu Do Quynh (M.) Hanoi, Vietnam Quynh, first, please read my post on the Lubuntu mailing list. http://www.mail-archive.com/lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net/msg01347.html I understand what you say and I know it is a very common issue with people installing OS on the thumb. I add this is more a problem with grub legacy as the (hd0,x) and /dev/sdax will change with every boot - the change effected by the bios, not the OS.It is less a problem with grub2 as the boot searches for uuid. However, if the grub is installed at the external drive, and in my opinion, is a fatal thing to do, there is every possibility of the system not booting up. Also, the existence of a bug report does not imply there is anything intrinsically wrong with it, but could be the result of the implementation of the installation, in this case, the setting up of the grub of the external disk to the mbr (sda, in our lingo) of the hard disk. Again, this must not be done and the fault, if we can call it that, of the developers, is to enable it by default. But then, how can the system recognize that the grub is from the external and not the hard disk and that should be the default if setting grub of a hard disk partition? So to call the developers stupid is in my mind, unjustified, crass and stupid in itself. Not understanding the way it works is no justification for rudeness, and even then, if the developers have indeed make a mistake, and they will, it is bad behaviour of any culture to be rude. Quynh, if there is any specific thing you want to bring up after reading my post, please feel free to address it. As of this message, I do not see any thing specific to address. Regards - Goh Lip ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to :
