Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 11.04 issues
Thanks -- Sent from my Palm Pre On May 28, 2011 12:56 AM, Jonathan Marsden lt;jmars...@fastmail.fmgt; wrote: On 05/27/2011 07:16 PM, Tim Bernhard wrote: gt; I just noticed that the crashing Keyboard and Mouse/Input Device gt; Prefs app crashes on both of my laptops. ... gt; Anyone else willing to test this? This is a known bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxinput/+bug/772749 What we need is someone with time and developer skills to fix it; more testing is probably not useful at this point. Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] IRC Client
Hiyas, todays lesson is to how to start a flame war Whilst tidying up the 'new area' for docs I noticed a missing link. That was the easy bit... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications If we are going to keep pidgin for IM, what do we need xchat for? I ceased using xchat and reverted back to pidgin in 9.10 when x-chat had that memory leak. It has been fixed, but pidgin does give a decent level of IRC (I use it) along with the ability to do all the other IM protocols. It also has 'plugin' package. Whilst not the 'best' IRC client, it does a decent job of it and also provides access to all the IM stuff that people seem to love these days Do we really want to waste RAM with two programmes? /me retires to a safe distance. @ Julien, I've pointed the list of applications from the community doc area back to the dev area, as that page seems best placed there. Regards, Phill. -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC Client
Aloha ka po'e apau, I've switched from using Pidgin to xchat, as the extra features are quite nice and it seems more stable then Pidgin's implementation. With metta, Chris Druif On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 01:24, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hiyas, todays lesson is to how to start a flame war Whilst tidying up the 'new area' for docs I noticed a missing link. That was the easy bit... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications If we are going to keep pidgin for IM, what do we need xchat for? I ceased using xchat and reverted back to pidgin in 9.10 when x-chat had that memory leak. It has been fixed, but pidgin does give a decent level of IRC (I use it) along with the ability to do all the other IM protocols. It also has 'plugin' package. Whilst not the 'best' IRC client, it does a decent job of it and also provides access to all the IM stuff that people seem to love these days Do we really want to waste RAM with two programmes? /me retires to a safe distance. @ Julien, I've pointed the list of applications from the community doc area back to the dev area, as that page seems best placed there. Regards, Phill. -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC Client
Phill, On 05/28/2011 04:24 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote: If we are going to keep pidgin for IM, what do we need xchat for? Mainly for those of us who use IRC, and only IRC, and have used xchat for years :) It's a matter of personal preference, of course. If there is good reason to remove xchat, I'll live (after all, I can make custom ISOs based on Lubuntu fairly easily if I feel like it :) Do we really want to waste RAM with two programmes? RAM? Wait! xchat does not load by default at boot. How does it waste RAM? It is only using RAM when you choose to run it. If wasting RAM is the issue, then removing xchat from the default install will not solve it. What led you to conclude that including xchat is wasting RAM? If we need more space on the CD for new whizzy stuff, OK, then we probably need to go through the package list looking for things we can remove. What new whizzy stuff is being added in Lubuntu 11.10 that requires extra disk/CD space? I thought we had more or less reached consensus among the devs that Lubuntu 11.10 was primarily a bug fix and migrate to official build infrastructure and GTK3 release -- has that changed? Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC Client
hiyas JM, wasting RAm actually referred to having x-chat and pidgin both running together... x-chat does IRC fanatastically, but is not too good at MSN messenger, AOL / AIM, Yahoo! etc :) regards, Phill. On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 1:01 AM, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fmwrote: Phill, On 05/28/2011 04:24 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote: If we are going to keep pidgin for IM, what do we need xchat for? Mainly for those of us who use IRC, and only IRC, and have used xchat for years :) It's a matter of personal preference, of course. If there is good reason to remove xchat, I'll live (after all, I can make custom ISOs based on Lubuntu fairly easily if I feel like it :) Do we really want to waste RAM with two programmes? RAM? Wait! xchat does not load by default at boot. How does it waste RAM? It is only using RAM when you choose to run it. If wasting RAM is the issue, then removing xchat from the default install will not solve it. What led you to conclude that including xchat is wasting RAM? If we need more space on the CD for new whizzy stuff, OK, then we probably need to go through the package list looking for things we can remove. What new whizzy stuff is being added in Lubuntu 11.10 that requires extra disk/CD space? I thought we had more or less reached consensus among the devs that Lubuntu 11.10 was primarily a bug fix and migrate to official build infrastructure and GTK3 release -- has that changed? Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 11.10 (Alpha1 just to change sources.list?)
On 05/27/2011 09:21 AM, Yorvyk wrote: I think an Alpha 1 is needed to provided something for people to install in order to get started testing rather than changing Natty to Oneiric in sources.list. So you are saying that is is easier and quicker to download an entire 600+MB ISO, and then install from it (possibly first burning it to a CD-R), rather than typing sudo sed -i -e 's/natty/oneiric/g' /etc/apt/sources.list The only awkward part this time around is trying to spell oneiric correctly, since that adjective is much less commonly used than karmic, lucid, maverick or natty by most English speakers. I know which I think is easier and quicker -- type the command! Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC Client
On 05/28/2011 05:34 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote: wasting RAm actually referred to having x-chat and pidgin both running together... x-chat does IRC fanatastically, but is not too good at MSN messenger, AOL / AIM, Yahoo! etc :) OK. So the fix for that is simple: don't do that, unless you have enough RAM to spare :) No change to Lubuntu needed :) Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC Client
IMHO having two programs that one fit in the other is a waste of space in the CD and effort for the Lubuntu devs. Pidgin can handle what xchat does... and for the specifics, xchat will always be installable. Honestly, i personally (in person) don't know anybody that uses x-chat. Just some thoughts. 2011/5/28 Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm On 05/28/2011 05:34 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote: wasting RAm actually referred to having x-chat and pidgin both running together... x-chat does IRC fanatastically, but is not too good at MSN messenger, AOL / AIM, Yahoo! etc :) OK. So the fix for that is simple: don't do that, unless you have enough RAM to spare :) No change to Lubuntu needed :) Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- jpxsat ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC Client
On 05/28/2011 06:47 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset wrote: IMHO having two programs that one fit in the other is a waste of space in the CD and effort for the Lubuntu devs. It's definitely extra effort for one of the Lubuntu devs if I have to learn to use Pidgin, after years of using xchat :) Since xchat is not maintained by the Lubuntu devs, but by its own developers, I am not sure why leaving it in the Lubuntu seed list is *more* effort for the Lubuntu devs than taking it out -- can you please explain? Pidgin can handle what xchat does... Really? Plugins for scripting in Tcl, Perl, Python all exist for Pidgin now, do they? Is the plugin API compatible with the xchat plugin API? Or do we need to rewrite or find replacements for any and all plugins we have written or gathered over the years? I'll deal with it if someone feels there is a good reason for removing xchat. But IMO the expected developer cost to leave it alone is low :) That leaves disk space. In this thread, I already asked what we are expecting to add to Lubuntu 11.10 Oneiric that *needs* the disk space xchat currently occupies... has anyone answered that? Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp