[Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section
Hai Charlie (and the rest), I think something went wrong with your reply so I forwarded to everyone again. @Scott K: I think it's a problem with using a lot of terms side-by-side and mixing things up even. As you can see, the page [1] Ubuntu uses is called Derivatives. However on that same page the officially recognized once are suddenly called flavor. In my humble opinion it's a more friendly term to use, but we should get some (dare I say it?) Unity in our naming scheme. It might have been my mistake, because the information [2] given by Kate apparently also talked about Flavors. But it's important everyone knows what the correct term is/should be. I hope this clears up some of the mess (originally created to ask for help on getting links to the meeting minutes). With metta, Chris [1] http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/derivatives [2] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/12/05/%23ubuntu-news.html starting from 18:15 -- Forwarded message -- From: Charlie Kravetz c...@teamcharliesangels.com Date: Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 15:00 Subject: Re: New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section To: ubuntu-news ubuntu-news-t...@lists.ubuntu.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 00:15:42 -0500 Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: None of these are derivatives (Mint is a derivative). These are other distribution products developed in the Ubuntu project. I think it's much more correct to refer to them as siblings to Ubuntu (Desktop) and Ubuntu Server. I know you didn't make up this terminology, but in no sense of the word is derivative correct. Scott K I have heard several times that the word derivative is incorrect when referring to these distributions based on Ubuntu. Why is it incorrect? According to the definition: derivative (comparative more derivative, superlative most derivative) 1. Imitative of the work of someone else. 2. (law, copyright law) Referring to a work, such as a translation or adaptation, based on another work that may be subject to copyright restrictions. Perhaps Kubuntu, having been developed alongside of Ubuntu is not a derivative, but the others are very much adapted or based on another work (Ubuntu). I can not any definition that excludes this adaption from being a derivative. Maybe an explanation of why this word is wrong is in order here? - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJO3h/sAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbAoQcH/1iu2OOYGolO4yniPNjKm/M0 TC0dBv+/RbKVO1XUxYRP1a88Rd/rpYwfbvDkejwi5XsP4ruLueeAzTvX18WFOKZS mFhNTjqrGC4I060NkwlDtv3C04Nt7SmQlhWsh6rPr+qdft5DbjPcj72s6i8QEv/0 AzXNvxGGExuQrr/4o1+D05u7c3joMZI6CyTsHz+JnuUpJ9yfZM3AeXjT17whv9QX EOz/mrR9SXrywJVEZZvzwNSToJtgudvAMC4HB+I2nL2BHmJk9e7VNoArRJt7E+k7 JeC4tlc0SWUeRh6pQJom2q9htsDiHynZHkmn8m5J/1RBztomYMLtmOVCzCMIkhw= =f0gD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-news-team mailing list ubuntu-news-t...@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-news-team ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section
On 12/06/2011 12:52 AM, Amber Graner wrote: On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: On 12/06/2011 12:28 AM, Amber Graner wrote: On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: None of these are derivatives (Mint is a derivative). These are other distribution products developed in the Ubuntu project. I think it's much more correct to refer to them as siblings to Ubuntu (Desktop) and Ubuntu Server. I know you didn't make up this terminology, but in no sense of the word is derivative correct. Scott why bring this up to the UWN folks who are trying their hardest to bring the news to folks, why not bring it up to the release manager or others to change this. Chris, who is new to the news team, wanted to add a section to cover these distributions, and establish a relationship as well as let you all know what we (the news were doing). Responses like this, to someone who doesn't make those decisions don't help with encouragement, inclusion and good will. It's like you are beating up the messenger. We on the news team are trying our best to bring coverage about as many of the flavors, derivatives, siblings or whatever you want to call them. We were asking for your help and instead you complain about the word. Seriously? Because I find the term offensive. I bring it up whenever I see it used. I even said that I recognized he was only using a term others use. Why should I not bring it up? You're right you have the right to your opinion; however, its the tone of your email (just like this one) that comes across has hostile and confrontational. I apologize if misunderstood. It's not meant as an attack on anyone, but to express an opinion. If you're going to add a section as a part of showing appreciation, but name it something that bothers someone, isn't that useful to know? Yes, but we don't make the names up, as you know. So there is no sense hashing that out here. :-) However, because you brought it up I will forward your issues onto Kate Stewart. Thanks for bringing to our attention. I am hostile to the term as applied to Ubuntu flavors developed within the Ubuntu project. I'm not hostile to any of the people involved in the discussion. I'm sorry I communicated it in a way that felt hostile to people. Scott K ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
