Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ask yourself...
Regarding to the menu editor, actually there is an easy fix. To fork gnome menu editor and have it loads lxde-applications.menu file instead of gnome's applications.menu. It's written in python and patching this won't be too difficult. However, maintaining a fork for such a project just to do this trivial thing is a waste. A better approach is to patch gnome menu editor, and have them load other menu files when possible. Anyone want to do this? It's in python so I'm sure this should not be too difficult. Doing this will bring gnome-menus dependency, though. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ask yourself...
Le jeudi 10 mars 2011 à 01:00 +0800, PCMan a écrit : Regarding to the menu editor, actually there is an easy fix. To fork gnome menu editor and have it loads lxde-applications.menu file instead of gnome's applications.menu. It's written in python and patching this won't be too difficult. However, maintaining a fork for such a project just to do this trivial thing is a waste. A better approach is to patch gnome menu editor, and have them load other menu files when possible. Anyone want to do this? It's in python so I'm sure this should not be too difficult. Last time I tried it, there was some strange behaviors when editing the menus. The correct menu file was loaded, but some modifications doesn't apply, or was impossible to undo. But yes, we are not so far from a usable menu editor. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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The problem with the 'do everything for everybody' approach is ending up like xubuntu ie take a lightweight de and add all the bloat from ubuntu to end up with something that is just as heavy. Surely if people want the simple do everything out of the box approach they can just use ubuntu. On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:10:12 -, Tim Bernhard ohiom...@gmail.com wrote: What should Lubuntu do? I realize that being lightweight is a major focus for Lubuntu and I agree 100%. But keep in mind that the average user will have expectations for their OS and that not everyone will use it only on older hardware (Lubuntu is too nice not to use it on modern hardware!) My main point is that Lubuntu should be for everyone and not just us tweakers and geekers. I want to be able to install it on anyone's computer and not have to worry about what it won't do for them. So my question is what dose the average user expect their OS to do out of the box? Pretend you are putting it on someone's machine. Maybe your mother, or the neighbor who has never used anything other than Windows. What will they expect? Here's my list: - be efficient (most overlooked by most OS) - handle music, video and Internet - find anything on my local network - download and open files properly - let me use it with external monitors/TV as a basic media player (HDMI out) - have basic office apps (even though I don't use them) - allow basic personalization (LXDE's lack of menu editor is a bummer, but I don't fault anyone for that.) Lubuntu has come pretty close to meeting my expectations. I've had to tweak a little bit and I might still be missing a few things here and there, but overall, I love it. The one area it blows everything else away is with it's efficiency. It seems like that's the most overlooked item in all the other Ubuntu variants I've used. Tim -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Hai Tim, Welcome on the mailing-list first of all. You seem to have a pretty clear image in what might be efficient. You might enlighten us with your definition of an efficient OS. Love to hear your thoughts. Cheers, Chris On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 15:10, Tim Bernhard ohiom...@gmail.com wrote: What should Lubuntu do? I realize that being lightweight is a major focus for Lubuntu and I agree 100%. But keep in mind that the average user will have expectations for their OS and that not everyone will use it only on older hardware (Lubuntu is too nice not to use it on modern hardware!) My main point is that Lubuntu should be for everyone and not just us tweakers and geekers. I want to be able to install it on anyone's computer and not have to worry about what it won't do for them. So my question is what dose the average user expect their OS to do out of the box? Pretend you are putting it on someone's machine. Maybe your mother, or the neighbor who has never used anything other than Windows. What will they expect? Here's my list: - be efficient (most overlooked by most OS) - handle music, video and Internet - find anything on my local network - download and open files properly - let me use it with external monitors/TV as a basic media player (HDMI out) - have basic office apps (even though I don't use them) - allow basic personalization (LXDE's lack of menu editor is a bummer, but I don't fault anyone for that.) Lubuntu has come pretty close to meeting my expectations. I've had to tweak a little bit and I might still be missing a few things here and there, but overall, I love it. The one area it blows everything else away is with it's efficiency. It seems like that's the most overlooked item in all the other Ubuntu variants I've used. Tim ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:10:12 -0500 Tim Bernhard ohiom...@gmail.com wrote: What should Lubuntu do? I realize that being lightweight is a major focus for Lubuntu and I agree 100%. But keep in mind that the average user will have expectations for their OS and that not everyone will use it only on older hardware (Lubuntu is too nice not to use it on modern hardware!) My main point is that Lubuntu should be for everyone and not just us tweakers and geekers. I want to be able to install it on anyone's computer and not have to worry about what it won't do for them. So my question is what dose the average user expect their OS to do out of the box? Pretend you are putting it on someone's machine. Maybe your mother, or the neighbor who has never used anything other than Windows. What will they expect? Don't pick on mothers. They expect it to look and behave like Windows, especially if they have been to classes at the local school or college. Here's my list: - be efficient (most overlooked by most OS) Define efficient. - handle music, video and Internet OK, although DVD's can be a problem any most basic OS's. - find anything on my local network Most people of the type you're talking about wouldn't no what a LAN is. - download and open files properly I'd love that on any OS. - let me use it with external monitors/TV as a basic media player (HDMI out) Had very few problems with desktop machines but, portables on the other hand. They seem to be either plug 'n' play or a royal PITA. - have basic office apps (even though I don't use them) OK. - allow basic personalization (LXDE's lack of menu editor is a bummer, but I don't fault anyone for that.) Again the sort of user you're talking about rarely customises their desktop beyond changing the wallpaper. Lubuntu has come pretty close to meeting my expectations. I've had to tweak a little bit and I might still be missing a few things here and there, but overall, I love it. The one area it blows everything else away is with it's efficiency. It seems like that's the most overlooked item in all the other Ubuntu variants I've used. Tim -- Yorvyk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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For me it's really three main areas. First is battery consumption under normal use. I want my 8 hour battery to last a close to 8 hours, not less than 6 like it did with Ubuntu. Second, I look at the user interface. I hate having two task-bars when everything I need will fit in one. I never use a mouse so I like to keep everything at the top of the screen because that's where my application menus are located. Why track all to all over the screen when you can put all the things you use the most in one area - the upper left corner. I also use multiple desktops to organize my work. LXDE does all of this for me with very little personalization. I had Ubuntu Netbook Remix set up this way before, but I had to do a little more work to get it how I wanted. (And UNR was a power hog compared to Lubuntu.) Lastly, I don't want my OS to be a full time hobby. Mostly I just want it to work without having to spend much time tweaking it. I want a live USB installer, a sub-20 minute install and a then have a system that does all of the basics when it's done. That's it really. I think both Lubuntu and Pepermint One are really close to meeting all of MY expectations and I found that Lubuntu gets better battery life. Right now it is the only OS I use at home - I'm stuck with XP at work. :( Tim On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Chris cyber.dr...@gmail.com wrote: Hai Tim, Welcome on the mailing-list first of all. You seem to have a pretty clear image in what might be efficient. You might enlighten us with your definition of an efficient OS. Love to hear your thoughts. Cheers, Chris On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 15:10, Tim Bernhard ohiom...@gmail.com wrote: What should Lubuntu do? I realize that being lightweight is a major focus for Lubuntu and I agree 100%. But keep in mind that the average user will have expectations for their OS and that not everyone will use it only on older hardware (Lubuntu is too nice not to use it on modern hardware!) My main point is that Lubuntu should be for everyone and not just us tweakers and geekers. I want to be able to install it on anyone's computer and not have to worry about what it won't do for them. So my question is what dose the average user expect their OS to do out of the box? Pretend you are putting it on someone's machine. Maybe your mother, or the neighbor who has never used anything other than Windows. What will they expect? Here's my list: - be efficient (most overlooked by most OS) - handle music, video and Internet - find anything on my local network - download and open files properly - let me use it with external monitors/TV as a basic media player (HDMI out) - have basic office apps (even though I don't use them) - allow basic personalization (LXDE's lack of menu editor is a bummer, but I don't fault anyone for that.) Lubuntu has come pretty close to meeting my expectations. I've had to tweak a little bit and I might still be missing a few things here and there, but overall, I love it. The one area it blows everything else away is with it's efficiency. It seems like that's the most overlooked item in all the other Ubuntu variants I've used. Tim ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comwrote: On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:10:12 -0500 Tim Bernhard ohiom...@gmail.com wrote: So my question is what dose the average user expect their OS to do out of the box? Pretend you are putting it on someone's machine. Maybe your mother, or the neighbor who has never used anything other than Windows. What will they expect? Don't pick on mothers. ha, ha.. They expect it to look and behave like Windows, especially if they have been to classes at the local school or college. Let's not get too carried away! Ha, ha. But yeah they would expect Lubuntu to do everything Windows does and complain if it doesn't. But I switched my mother-in-law over to Ubuntu a few years ago. She got used to it and now she likes it. So let's not give up on these poor souls. Here's my list: - be efficient (most overlooked by most OS) Define efficient. See my last reply. - find anything on my local network Most people of the type you're talking about wouldn't no what a LAN is. Yes, but they get people like you and I to set them up anyway and then we have to show them how to use them. - let me use it with external monitors/TV as a basic media player (HDMI out) Had very few problems with desktop machines but, portables on the other hand. They seem to be either plug 'n' play or a royal PITA. I can't figure out how to output sound to my TV...I might have a royal PITA in store for me. lol - allow basic personalization (LXDE's lack of menu editor is a bummer, but I don't fault anyone for that.) Again the sort of user you're talking about rarely customises their desktop beyond changing the wallpaper. I agree. Still hoping to be able to edit menu items in LXDE as you would in Ubuntu. Not a deal breaker though and I don't expect anything to happen soon. Just dreaming. -- Yorvyk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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For me the MOST important function would be support for older machines. Regards, REXMO .___. / \ | O _ O | /\_/\ .' / \ `. / _| |_ \ (_/ | | \_) \ / __\_-_/__ ~;/ \;~ Don't mess with the penguin! On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 09:52, Tim Bernhard ohiom...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comwrote: On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:10:12 -0500 Tim Bernhard ohiom...@gmail.com wrote: So my question is what dose the average user expect their OS to do out of the box? Pretend you are putting it on someone's machine. Maybe your mother, or the neighbor who has never used anything other than Windows. What will they expect? Don't pick on mothers. ha, ha.. They expect it to look and behave like Windows, especially if they have been to classes at the local school or college. Let's not get too carried away! Ha, ha. But yeah they would expect Lubuntu to do everything Windows does and complain if it doesn't. But I switched my mother-in-law over to Ubuntu a few years ago. She got used to it and now she likes it. So let's not give up on these poor souls. Here's my list: - be efficient (most overlooked by most OS) Define efficient. See my last reply. - find anything on my local network Most people of the type you're talking about wouldn't no what a LAN is. Yes, but they get people like you and I to set them up anyway and then we have to show them how to use them. - let me use it with external monitors/TV as a basic media player (HDMI out) Had very few problems with desktop machines but, portables on the other hand. They seem to be either plug 'n' play or a royal PITA. I can't figure out how to output sound to my TV...I might have a royal PITA in store for me. lol - allow basic personalization (LXDE's lack of menu editor is a bummer, but I don't fault anyone for that.) Again the sort of user you're talking about rarely customises their desktop beyond changing the wallpaper. I agree. Still hoping to be able to edit menu items in LXDE as you would in Ubuntu. Not a deal breaker though and I don't expect anything to happen soon. Just dreaming. -- Yorvyk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ask yourself...
For me the MOST important function would be support for older machines. We have to start from one fact: if Lubuntu can run in an acceptable way in an old machine, it will run incredibly on a newer machine. Let me use it with external monitors/TV as a basic media player (HDMI out) For me, it's a problem of my video driver... so i'm not sure that it's always a problem about Lubuntu Be efficient And i would add that it has to be beautiful, and the artwork team is doing a great job keeping both fronts in mind. Also i would add that Lubuntu is a step forward to save the planet since: - It's energy efficient - You don't have to throw away your old machine, since it will revamp a machine starting from a P2* and above giving you a full and ready to use desktop in your own language. * Other OS like Puppy Linux can do this, but THAT is a really stripped distro... -- jpxsat ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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qoute- You don't have to throw away your old machine, since it will revamp a machine starting from a P2* and above giving you a full and ready to use desktop in your own language. /quote Does the 11.04 edition in fact run on P2s? As I understand it support for old CPUs was dropped from the latest kernels... Regards, REXMO ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Well, at least 10.04 runs well on it... don't know if there's any project to compile kernels for old cpus... 2011/2/25 PYROcomp rexmo...@gmail.com qoute- You don't have to throw away your old machine, since it will revamp a machine starting from a P2* and above giving you a full and ready to use desktop in your own language. /quote Does the 11.04 edition in fact run on P2s? As I understand it support for old CPUs was dropped from the latest kernels... Regards, REXMO -- jpxsat ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:08:17 -0600 PYROcomp rexmo...@gmail.com wrote: qoute- You don't have to throw away your old machine, since it will revamp a machine starting from a P2* and above giving you a full and ready to use desktop in your own language. /quote Does the 11.04 edition in fact run on P2s? As I understand it support for old CPUs was dropped from the latest kernels... From 10.10 the 32 bit version was/is compiled for i686 instruction set which was first introduced with the Pentium. There are also more modern CPU's like the Geode and XCore86 that are not fully i686 compatible and require software compiled for i586 or early, so need to be used with 10.04. -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
