Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Changing PDF viewer by default
I think Evince is not the right choice.It uses twice or even three times the amount of dependencies epdfview does. (and many are gnome ones)We should rather help epdfview.I think we should not give up on epdfview that easily. -Glenn Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 07:55:59 +0200 From: e...@pixelate.pl To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Changing PDF viewer by default Dnia 2010-06-20, o godz. 22:05:14 Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com napisał(a): Hi, Maybe you already noticed it, but epdfviewer (the default pdf viewer) have a huge memory leak. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/epdfview/+bug/570410 It makes it quite unusable, and I don't know if it will be fixed in the futur. I propose to change it. I don't know many alternatives, except evince and xpdf. Evince use a bit more memory, but xpdf don't have a good UI, and use a lot of CPU on my testing system. So, for now I'll prefer to use evince. Any other ideas, and any feedbacks/comments are welcome :) It's open to discussion. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp chromium developers are planning to add their own PDf plugin - it means, that we don't need other app. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp _ Alles wat je wilt weten over Windows 7, en meer ! http://www.windows.nl/windows7___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Changing PDF viewer by default
2010/6/22 Glenn de Groot glenn_de_gr...@hotmail.com I think Evince is not the right choice. It uses twice or even three times the amount of dependencies epdfview does. (and many are gnome ones) We should rather help epdfview. I think we should not give up on epdfview that easily. Good points! I'm installing epdfview right now to see if its functionality makes it a useful substitute for evince. Lane *Lane Lester* The Web Doctor http://www.the-web-doctor.com You can have your own website for just $10+10+10! ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Changing PDF viewer by default
Il 21/06/2010 07:31, PCMan ha scritto: Regarding to hardware, my suggestions to make the system usable: CPU: above 600 MHz should be enough most of the time RAM: 512 mb is suggested, and 256 is minimal requirement Disk space: 2 GB at least (including swap) i installed lubuntu maverick on a KVM Virtual Machine two days ago, with 2GB of disk space. due to problems with the cd disk image, i installed e maverick command line system from alternate and then the lubuntu-desktop meta package. i run out of space and i had to grow the disk img size to end the installation. at the moment the used space is ~ 2.2GB i also noted an increment of memory usage. after the boot on my netbook lubuntu lucid uses 80MB of memory. on the vm maverik is using 135MB Max ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Changing PDF viewer by default
For viewing PDFs in Chromium you must tweak it a bit, it's not supported natively. You can read instructions here (in spanish). attachment: a3.pngattachment: a2.pngattachment: a1.png___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Changing PDF viewer by default
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 1:15 AM, Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de wrote: Isn't Chromium getting native PDF support ? Maybe we simply need to wait ;) That assumes people only access PDFs from a browser. That is definitely not the case with me, because I always have local PDFs I need to read. OTOH, I find I prefer slim distros that let me add the tools I actually need, rather than having some anonymous developer decide that for me. My main distro right now is Ubuntu Minimal CD. I made a script to apt-get my favorite apps after the distro is installed. Lane *Lane Lester* The Web Doctor http://www.the-web-doctor.com You can have your own website for just $10+10+10! ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Changing PDF viewer by default
Le lundi 21 juin 2010 à 07:15 +0200, Leszek Lesner a écrit : Isn't Chromium getting native PDF support ? Maybe we simply need to wait ;) We can wait, but if the implementation is not good, we need a backup solution :) For now, I prefer to have a real solution that we can test. If the Chromium plug-in is good enough when it's released, maybe we can considered to switch to it. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Changing PDF viewer by default
Might we want to consider going to Google Docs for some of these things like PDF, Word Processing, Spreadsheet, and so on? I don't see any good candidates for PDF aside from the ones already mentioned. There simply aren't very many out there, it would seem. Evince would get my vote. Have we a good idea of what the minimum computer requirements should be for Lubuntu? That would help in making some of these decisions. Personally, I don't think there are many people out there with 256K machines anymore. I would expect the low-end machines to be the ones that were mainstream 3-5 years ago.. so figure at least 1 GHz and 1G of memory. But maybe I'm all wet. :) Regards, Bob ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Changing PDF viewer by default
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: So, for now I'll prefer to use evince. I've certainly been pleased with evince, and I read a lot of PDFs. Lane *Lane Lester* The Web Doctor http://www.the-web-doctor.com You can have your own website for just $10+10+10! Click here to visit one of my sites.http://pageswirl.com/rotate.php?user=lanelester ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Changing PDF viewer by default
Le dimanche 20 juin 2010 à 16:30 -0400, Bob Trevithick a écrit : Might we want to consider going to Google Docs for some of these things like PDF, Word Processing, Spreadsheet, and so on? I don't see any good candidates for PDF aside from the ones already mentioned. There simply aren't very many out there, it would seem. The problem with online ressources is that you absolutely need a Internet connection all the time. I also think that others OS take the decision to be focused on online ressources, and are better designed that Lubuntu for this. Because if you follow this path, you can remove most of your applications and only keep the browser :-) Have we a good idea of what the minimum computer requirements should be for Lubuntu? That would help in making some of these decisions. Personally, I don't think there are many people out there with 256K machines anymore. I would expect the low-end machines to be the ones that were mainstream 3-5 years ago.. so figure at least 1 GHz and 1G of memory. But maybe I'm all wet. :) See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Intended Audience FYI, my testing Lubuntu system is 3-5 years old, but it's a netbook with only 512mb :-) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Changing PDF viewer by default
Hi Bob, there are certainly people out there with 256K RAM machines, OPanyone here? ;d Me hoyas Me catching up with emails. Can I help ? OP nah, I just want to tell how happy I am that someone is doing a ubuntu for old computers Me thanks for popping on and saying so. The small team has really pulled something out of the hat with Lubuntu OP keep on great work OP I have tested so many linux distros to work on my old notebook with only 160MB of rma I know from people giving me feed-back on the minimal installation instructions that more people than you may think are totally reliant on lubuntu to let them have an up to date system. In fact, they'd *love* to have 256K RAM ;-) I do know what you mean about some people thinking we are 'under selling' lubuntu, a lot of that may be quite deliberate to keep the maddening hoards from over whelming the small team while they get the various niggles sorted ;-) The general word on lubuntu is good, and it will get better. Slimline, mean and keen - long may it remain that way. Let loonies like me put on LAMP server's and GIMP on to it, they certainly are not required for the vast majority of users. Regards, Phill. I don't think there are many people out there with 256K machines anymore. I would expect the low-end machines to be the ones that were mainstream 3-5 years ago.. so figure at least 1 GHz and 1G of memory. But maybe I'm all wet. :) Regards, Bob ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Changing PDF viewer by default
Isn't Chromium getting native PDF support ? Maybe we simply need to wait ;) Am 20.06.2010 um 22:38 schrieb Yorvyk: On Sun, 20 Jun 2010 22:05:14 +0200 Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi, Maybe you already noticed it, but epdfviewer (the default pdf viewer) have a huge memory leak. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/epdfview/+bug/570410 It makes it quite unusable, and I don't know if it will be fixed in the futur. I propose to change it. I don't know many alternatives, except evince and xpdf. Evince use a bit more memory, but xpdf don't have a good UI, and use a lot of CPU on my testing system. So, for now I'll prefer to use evince. Any other ideas, and any feedbacks/comments are welcome :) It's open to discussion. Forgot about that. Evince is far a far better option. I’ve been using it on my 128KiB machine and as long as the PDF isn’t huge it is quite OK -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Changing PDF viewer by default
Regarding to hardware, my suggestions to make the system usable: CPU: above 600 MHz should be enough most of the time RAM: 512 mb is suggested, and 256 is minimal requirement Disk space: 2 GB at least (including swap) These values are based on personal experience, not any accurate measurement or benchmarks. On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Le dimanche 20 juin 2010 à 16:30 -0400, Bob Trevithick a écrit : Might we want to consider going to Google Docs for some of these things like PDF, Word Processing, Spreadsheet, and so on? I don't see any good candidates for PDF aside from the ones already mentioned. There simply aren't very many out there, it would seem. The problem with online ressources is that you absolutely need a Internet connection all the time. I also think that others OS take the decision to be focused on online ressources, and are better designed that Lubuntu for this. Because if you follow this path, you can remove most of your applications and only keep the browser :-) Have we a good idea of what the minimum computer requirements should be for Lubuntu? That would help in making some of these decisions. Personally, I don't think there are many people out there with 256K machines anymore. I would expect the low-end machines to be the ones that were mainstream 3-5 years ago.. so figure at least 1 GHz and 1G of memory. But maybe I'm all wet. :) See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Intended Audience FYI, my testing Lubuntu system is 3-5 years old, but it's a netbook with only 512mb :-) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Changing PDF viewer by default
Dnia 2010-06-20, o godz. 22:05:14 Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com napisał(a): Hi, Maybe you already noticed it, but epdfviewer (the default pdf viewer) have a huge memory leak. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/epdfview/+bug/570410 It makes it quite unusable, and I don't know if it will be fixed in the futur. I propose to change it. I don't know many alternatives, except evince and xpdf. Evince use a bit more memory, but xpdf don't have a good UI, and use a lot of CPU on my testing system. So, for now I'll prefer to use evince. Any other ideas, and any feedbacks/comments are welcome :) It's open to discussion. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp chromium developers are planning to add their own PDf plugin - it means, that we don't need other app. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
