Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Members list (and editing information in multiple places)
On Tuesday 01,February,2011 01:00 PM, Benny Hult wrote: And UTC is changed twice a year, there's winter time and summer time (daylight saving) and it requires editing to keep it up-to-date. UTC isn't changed twice a year, by the way. UTC != GMT. -- Kind regards, Loong Jin signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Members list (and editing information in multiple places)
On 01/31/2011 09:21 AM, Phill Whiteside wrote: I've added a Time Zone column, now I just need everyone to go back and edit their entries! I respectfully suggest that you don't really need everyone to do that :) If we need TZ info on this list (as opposed to one click away from the list as it is already), then why not use the TZ info that people have already put in their Launchpad accounts, instead of asking everyone to re-edit the Lubuntu-specific list to add that same info? Am I missing something? Ideally, write some little script to dynamically query LP for the TZ info, so that we each only have to edit our TZ in one place (on LP) when we move around :) Failing that, if we really have to statically duplicate this information, could I suggest we at least initialize the new column using the TZ data that is currently in LP for every LP user? Thinking about this a bit more broadly, there might even be a way to dynamically generate the entire WhoAreWe page by querying LP about members of ~lubuntu-desktop ?? Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Members list (and editing information in multiple places)
On 02/01/2011 06:31 AM, Jonathan Marsden wrote: On 01/31/2011 09:21 AM, Phill Whiteside wrote: I've added a Time Zone column, now I just need everyone to go back and edit their entries! I respectfully suggest that you don't really need everyone to do that :) If we need TZ info on this list (as opposed to one click away from the list as it is already), then why not use the TZ info that people have already put in their Launchpad accounts, instead of asking everyone to re-edit the Lubuntu-specific list to add that same info? Am I missing something? Ideally, write some little script to dynamically query LP for the TZ info, so that we each only have to edit our TZ in one place (on LP) when we move around :) Failing that, if we really have to statically duplicate this information, could I suggest we at least initialize the new column using the TZ data that is currently in LP for every LP user? Thinking about this a bit more broadly, there might even be a way to dynamically generate the entire WhoAreWe page by querying LP about members of ~lubuntu-desktop ?? Jonathan As I've wondered this thing, I think there's really no need for time zones. Like most of you guys seems to live at night from my point of view (which is a normal point of view ;). And UTC is changed twice a year, there's winter time and summer time (daylight saving) and it requires editing to keep it up-to-date. I suggest to roll back to Revision 43 and keep the arrangement as latest addition in bottom. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Members list (and editing information in multiple places)
On 01/31/2011 08:31 PM, Jonathan Marsden wrote: I respectfully suggest that you don't really need everyone to do that :) Failing that, if we really have to statically duplicate this information, could I suggest we at least initialize the new column using the TZ data that is currently in LP for every LP user? In case anyone might think I am doing more complaining than positive actions here, I just added a pile of UTC times to the wiki page based on people's TZ settings on LP. Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Members list (and editing information in multiple places)
On 01/31/2011 09:00 PM, Benny Hult wrote: ..., I think there's really no need for time zones. This comes back to use cases... Phill, why are people wanting TZ info on WhoWeAre? What are the likely uses that will be made of it? In practice, if this is intended for real time online communication, wouldn't something more useful be a column headed say Usually on #lubuntu between which might have entries like M-F: 0300-0700 UTC, Sa-Sun: 0200-0800 UTC or whatever? Like most of you guys seems to live at night from my point of view (which is a normal point of view ;). Most of us live continuously (few of us die and resurrect every day!). I think we often work or are at school during the day time, and so we have fun playing with computers (with Ubuntu and Lubuntu) during non-daytime. Isn't that normal? :) And UTC is changed twice a year, there's winter time and summer time (daylight saving) and it requires editing to keep it up-to-date. Right. Linux, Lubuntu and Launchpad all store TZ info as the usual (standard?) strings representing a relative path to a tzfile under /usr/share/zoneinfo/, like America/Los_Angeles or Europe/Berlin, and not as a UTC offset. Given one of those strings, a trivial TZ=:America/Los_Angeles date +%z will display the offset from UTC in your local bash shell, and it will be correct in both summer and winter :) Now, for maximum information correctness with minimum end-user effort, we just need the GPS in a cellphone to communicate with its owners laptop, so as they travel, the laptop knows and sets its current local timezone automatically ... and maybe, even, the laptop then auto-updates the owner's LP timezone entry whenever its TZ changes and the laptop has an Internet connection :) :) :) But even then, we would still have to return to the question of who will *use* the TZ info on LP (or on WhoWeAre), for what purposes :) Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
