Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Summarize of proposed changes on applications by default

2011-06-19 Thread Tim Bernhard 
No comment on the first point but agee with the other two.




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On Jun 19, 2011 7:37 AM, 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna)  
wrote: 




  
  


+1 here



Fully agree.



1. LXDM is working really well. LightDM is not polished.



2. XChat is used by those who are members of "something" (coders, 
collaborators, corporate...) not by normal people.



3. Leafpad is enough. Remember that many of us use even "nano" on a console, 
that is more basic (except for the keystrokes).










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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Summarize of proposed changes on applications by default

2011-06-19 Thread PCMan 
2011/6/19 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) 

> **
> +1 here
>
> Fully agree.
>
> 1. LXDM is working really well. LightDM is not polished.
>
I have a cool greeter for lightdm in the git repo, but due to recent API
changes its broken now.
Author of lightdm provided some patches but I did not have time to touch
them at the moment.
Once it's fixed, it provides the same UI as LXDM and it's much more themable
than lxdm.
In my implementation, the theme can be edited with Glade in a WYSIWYG way.
But I have to find some time to fix it.

>
> 2. XChat is used by those who are members of "something" (coders,
> collaborators, corporate...) not by normal people.
>
> 3. Leafpad is enough. Remember that many of us use even "nano" on a
> console, that is more basic (except for the keystrokes).
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Summarize of proposed changes on applications by default

2011-06-19 Thread (Rafael Laguna) 
+1 here

Fully agree.

1. LXDM is working really well. LightDM is not polished.

2. XChat is used by those who are members of "something" (coders,
collaborators, corporate...) not by normal people.

3. Leafpad is enough. Remember that many of us use even "nano" on a
console, that is more basic (except for the keystrokes).



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Summarize of proposed changes on applications by default

2011-06-18 Thread winninglero 

+1
Coundn´t be more agree.

El , Jonathan Marsden  escribió:

On 06/16/2011 03:31 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote:





> 1) Display manager : Lightdm vs LXDM



> 2) Dropping Xchat



> 3) Text editor : Gedit vs Leafpad





> Are people who want to discuss this are available for a meeting this



> week-end ? If not, we can proceed by mail on the mailing list.







I'm available online for a meeting in the next ten hours or so; I'm



mostly unavailable on Sundays. Please would someone let me known in



#lubuntu-offtopic if a meeting starts happens in the next few hours :)





I'd suggest just leaving all three of these alone this cycle, but I am



not going to spend a lot of energy fighting changes if the majority feel



otherwise.





A quick summary of my reasoning:





(1) LXDM works, and we have close control over its upstream; I think



lightdm is new and we can let others work out its early bugs (if any :)



before adopting it for Lubuntu. Leave it alone, reconsider in the next



cycle, would be my suggestion.





(2) Xchat seems to have some folks who really like it being there by



default, and who use it, and others who don't care about it and so want



it dropped. Let's leave it alone, unless we *really* need that space on



the CD.





(3) Gedit: Serious programmers are going to install and use their



favourite text editor anyway (which is probably not gedit *or*



leafpad!), and I suspect most other "normal" users don't care that much



what text editor is included, as long as it works. So leave it alone



would be my suggestion.





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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Summarize of proposed changes on applications by default

2011-06-18 Thread Phill Whiteside 
This is about my reasoning also for proposed changes.

I also think that LXDM this cycle makes sense, my concern would be that the
other proposal involves LightDM with LXDM as a fall back. I'm concerned this
may be an undue strain on our limited devs. That 12.04 is an LTS, we can be
pretty confident that extra resources are going to be available from the
whole Ubuntu dev people. I've said it before and will repeat, the release
prior to an LTS is a 'stable beta', regardless of how it is called. If the
Devs are confident that they CAN get LightDM up and running 100% for 11-10,
then by all means go for it. That call is really up to the devs.

X-chat I've nothing against it (regardless what people may think!). If
we need disk space on the CD for language packs etc. then dropping X-Chat
and relying on pidgin will, at least, give people the ability to access IRC.
X-Chat is far superior on IRC, but when we are squeezed for space and low
bandwidths etc? Crikey, i recall us discussing the alternate installation
and GUI installation both being able to fit on one iso.

For the leafpad Vs Gedit Vs Libre.. Again, I would ask for the smallest one
in terms of disk space and CPU / RAM requirement. Those with quad core
machines and 4GB+ of RAM can add on what they wish. This has always been a
point I make to people considering Lubuntu. It is a 'lean, mean, keen and
green' version - But it is no way a 'cut-down and crippled' version of the
ubuntu family. Put onto it your favourite programmes (Full LAMP server and
Bluefish etc. are some the additions I made).

Regards,


Phill.

On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Jonathan Marsden wrote:

> On 06/16/2011 03:31 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote:
>
> > 1) Display manager : Lightdm vs LXDM
> > 2) Dropping Xchat
> > 3) Text editor : Gedit vs Leafpad
>
> > Are people who want to discuss this are available for a meeting this
> > week-end ? If not, we can proceed by mail on the mailing list.
>
>
> I'm available online for a meeting in the next ten hours or so; I'm
> mostly unavailable on Sundays.  Please would someone let me known in
> #lubuntu-offtopic if a meeting starts happens in the next few hours :)
>
> I'd suggest just leaving all three of these alone this cycle, but I am
> not going to spend a lot of energy fighting changes if the majority feel
> otherwise.
>
> A quick summary of my reasoning:
>
> (1) LXDM works, and we have close control over its upstream; I think
> lightdm is new and we can let others work out its early bugs (if any :)
> before adopting it for Lubuntu.  Leave it alone, reconsider in the next
> cycle, would be my suggestion.
>
> (2) Xchat seems to have some folks who really like it being there by
> default, and who use it, and others who don't care about it and so want
> it dropped.  Let's leave it alone, unless we *really* need that space on
> the CD.
>
> (3) Gedit: Serious programmers are going to install and use their
> favourite text editor anyway (which is probably not gedit *or*
> leafpad!), and I suspect most other "normal" users don't care that much
> what text editor is included, as long as it works.  So leave it alone
> would be my suggestion.
>
> Jonathan
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Summarize of proposed changes on applications by default

2011-06-18 Thread Yorvyk 
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:35:23 +0200
Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Le Friday 17 June 2011 à 00:31 +0200, Julien Lavergne a écrit :
> > Are people who want to discuss this are available for a meeting this
> > week-end ? If not, we can proceed by mail on the mailing list.
> 
> Ok, many people seem to prefer mails, so I'll follow each thread to
> finalize the decisions for each component.
> 
I've started 3 threads for those that wish to comment.  Remember Lubuntu is 
supposed to be small and simple and run on impoverished machinery.



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Summarize of proposed changes on applications by default

2011-06-18 Thread Jonathan Marsden 
On 06/16/2011 03:31 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote:

> 1) Display manager : Lightdm vs LXDM
> 2) Dropping Xchat
> 3) Text editor : Gedit vs Leafpad

> Are people who want to discuss this are available for a meeting this
> week-end ? If not, we can proceed by mail on the mailing list.


I'm available online for a meeting in the next ten hours or so; I'm
mostly unavailable on Sundays.  Please would someone let me known in
#lubuntu-offtopic if a meeting starts happens in the next few hours :)

I'd suggest just leaving all three of these alone this cycle, but I am
not going to spend a lot of energy fighting changes if the majority feel
otherwise.

A quick summary of my reasoning:

(1) LXDM works, and we have close control over its upstream; I think
lightdm is new and we can let others work out its early bugs (if any :)
before adopting it for Lubuntu.  Leave it alone, reconsider in the next
cycle, would be my suggestion.

(2) Xchat seems to have some folks who really like it being there by
default, and who use it, and others who don't care about it and so want
it dropped.  Let's leave it alone, unless we *really* need that space on
the CD.

(3) Gedit: Serious programmers are going to install and use their
favourite text editor anyway (which is probably not gedit *or*
leafpad!), and I suspect most other "normal" users don't care that much
what text editor is included, as long as it works.  So leave it alone
would be my suggestion.

Jonathan


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Summarize of proposed changes on applications by default

2011-06-18 Thread Julien Lavergne 
Le Friday 17 June 2011 à 00:31 +0200, Julien Lavergne a écrit :
> Are people who want to discuss this are available for a meeting this
> week-end ? If not, we can proceed by mail on the mailing list.

Ok, many people seem to prefer mails, so I'll follow each thread to
finalize the decisions for each component.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Summarize of proposed changes on applications by default

2011-06-17 Thread (Rafael Laguna) 
Will be published the meeting data (hour, channel, etc)?
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Summarize of proposed changes on applications by default

2011-06-17 Thread Yorvyk 
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 00:31:06 +0200
Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Just to summarize the list of proposed changes we have :
> 
> 1) Display manager : Lightdm vs LXDM
> 2) Dropping Xchat
> 3) Text editor : Gedit vs Leafpad
> 
> Let me know if I missed something.
> 
> Are people who want to discuss this are available for a meeting this
> week-end ? If not, we can proceed by mail on the mailing list.
> 
As I have no life, I'm available over the weekend for a meeting.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Summarize of proposed changes on applications by default

2011-06-16 Thread Chris 
Aloha Julien,

You forgotten my suggestion to switch to Empathy, or I forgot what the
conclusion of the discussion was about that. There was also the discussion
about a unity interface, and my remark about that was that I would like
support for quicklists if that is even possible at all. And you know my
feelings regarding xchat (more stable protocol implemented vs that of
pidgin)

I'm not available for a meeting this weekend, so keep it on the list I would
say.

With metta,

Chris Druif
On Jun 17, 2011 12:32 AM, "Julien Lavergne"  wrote:
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Summarize of proposed changes on applications by default

2011-06-16 Thread Julien Lavergne 
Hi,

Just to summarize the list of proposed changes we have :

1) Display manager : Lightdm vs LXDM
2) Dropping Xchat
3) Text editor : Gedit vs Leafpad

Let me know if I missed something.

Are people who want to discuss this are available for a meeting this
week-end ? If not, we can proceed by mail on the mailing list.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne




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