Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Sun/Oracle Java

[Lance]

I honestly don't see a huge problem. I find the documentation to be adequate. 
Of course in some instances the official Ubuntu documentation works for both 
Ubuntu and Lubuntu, other times not so much.

I think it's also fair to say that we must still rely on LXDE's own 
documentation for many things, and let's not forget that we're very young as a 
legitimate child of Ubuntu/Canonical ;^)

I suspect we'll garner more support from the Canonical devs as time goes along 
but some patience is needed. I know everyone is doing their best :^)

I'd personally defer to Phill W on this, if he's available. He helped bring us 
to the point of acceptance into the Canonical family and his voice means a lot 
to me.

As always, thanks to everyone for everything they do,

Lance



--- On Sun, 12/4/11, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

From: amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Sun/Oracle Java
To: lubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 5:31 PM

I do agree with all what have been said/written.

With all the honesty in the world, I don't like the Wiki Pages. 
Why?

1- I've been told it MUST be the main source of our information while there are 
LOTS of missing information already, NOT to mention it is not organized nor up 
to date.


2- One can't find what he/she is looking for easily.

3- The whole structure is bad IMHO.

4- When I tried to contribute to the Wiki Area, I have heard NOTHING but bad 
negative and rude attitude so I decided NOT to touch it any more and take care 
of Ubuntu Forum as that is where I belong.


5- There is NO dedicated team to maintain our Wiki

Perhaps these are the main reasons.

Again, to be honest, I have another thoughts and different approaches and I'm 
having hard time to explain myself over and over again. Thus, I have decided 
weeks ago to remain silent and do my job quietly.

I'm doing well on the forum and I'll keep it up, period.
I have so much plans to help Lubuntu Users on the Froum. Writing guides and 
more.

I couldn't remain silent anymore.

I can't deny I do have my own style that is different big time than everyone's 
style in this team but since this is a Team Work more than anything else, I'm 
trying my best to learn more about this team, even more than learning about 
Lubuntu which I breath daily.


I'm here as always and ready to help and take our Wiki to the next step but WE 
do need to talk and discuss, period.

:)

Excuse my approach, I just couldn't resist.






On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 2:56 AM, ∅ maps.backw...@gmail.com wrote:



On 12/04/2011 02:26 PM, Yorvyk wrote:

 On Mon, 5 Dec 2011 07:43:15 +1000

 Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 5 December 2011 06:17, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

 So, again, please double check this:

 http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html

 and if necessary, update this:

 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Some_Java_applications_don.27t_work.2C_I_want_proprietary_Oracle_Java


 This is the very big problem I see with having a separate FAQ to the

 main information on the wiki. Unless it's specific to Lubuntu I really

 don't see why it should exist on our FAQ area at all. All this does is

 duplicate information AND reduce the number of people working on a

 topic. This is a perfect example because the proper Java page [0] was

 updated a while ago to reflect the changes.



 So my opinion is, unless it's specific to Lubuntu we should contribute

 and rely on the community documentation for *Ubuntu instead of trying

 to carve out our own little niche that will easily be out of date and

 hard to maintain with fewer resources. (To answer your question my

 suggestion would be to remove the java section altogether, if you HAVE

 to have something, link to the main page for Java).



 [0] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java

 Couldn't agree more Jared.  Repeating the same information over and over in 
 different places is not helpful.  Users who aren't quite sure what their 
 problem is end up 'not seeing the wood for the trees.'  This is the sort of 
 thing a decent index is helps with.


to me, this begs the question of why we have a FAQ at all. there's no

reason there shouldn't be an LXDE-specific section to the general

Ubuntu wiki as it is relevant to LXDE. how many people have you come

across that run LXDE in Ubuntu rather than doing Lubuntu? it's often a

gateway to officially making the switch.



my problem with the main wiki is that it is often so GNOME-centric,

it's not always apparent whether or not something is truly applicable to

Lubuntu. so if we updated it for Lubuntu, there would be ONE place to go.



always the revolutionary,

wxl/walter



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Sun/Oracle Java

[amjjawad HOOHAA]

Hi there,

I don't use it nor need it :)
Someone already posted on my thread that Lubuntu FAQs (Wiki) need to be
updated according to the link I mentioned (
http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html)
Since I have never used JAVA on Linux, I'm asking those who are using it to
check whether we need to update our Wiki or not?

So, again, please double check this:
http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html

and if necessary, update this:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Some_Java_applications_don.27t_work.2C_I_want_proprietary_Oracle_Java

I didn't update the Wiki because I'm not sure because I don't use Java :)

Thanks :)



On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Andrew Woodhead 
andrew.woodhead...@gmail.com wrote:



 On 4 December 2011 19:11, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,

 As per this:

 http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html

 The below is no longer valid:

 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Some_Java_applications_don.27t_work.2C_I_want_proprietary_Oracle_Java
 .

 Is that true?
 I didn't want to change it myself unless someone confirms that.

 Thank you!

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 If you want sun java use:

 cd
 wget http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7/jdk-7-linux-i586.tar.gz
 sudo apt-get -y install unp
 unp ./jdk-7-linux-i586.tar.gz
 rm ./jdk-7-linux-i586.tar.gz
 sudo mkdir /usr/lib/jvm
 cd /usr/lib/jvm
 sudo mv ./jdk1.7.0 .
 tar zxvf ./jdk-7-linux-i586.tar.gz
 rm ./jre-7u1-linux-i586.tar.gz
 sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java
 /usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0/bin/java 71
 sudo update-alternatives --config java
 cd /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins
 sudo ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so .

 Works here




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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Sun/Oracle Java

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On 12/04/2011 02:26 PM, Yorvyk wrote:
 On Mon, 5 Dec 2011 07:43:15 +1000
 Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 5 December 2011 06:17, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:
 So, again, please double check this:
 http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html
 and if necessary, update this:
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Some_Java_applications_don.27t_work.2C_I_want_proprietary_Oracle_Java
 This is the very big problem I see with having a separate FAQ to the
 main information on the wiki. Unless it's specific to Lubuntu I really
 don't see why it should exist on our FAQ area at all. All this does is
 duplicate information AND reduce the number of people working on a
 topic. This is a perfect example because the proper Java page [0] was
 updated a while ago to reflect the changes.

 So my opinion is, unless it's specific to Lubuntu we should contribute
 and rely on the community documentation for *Ubuntu instead of trying
 to carve out our own little niche that will easily be out of date and
 hard to maintain with fewer resources. (To answer your question my
 suggestion would be to remove the java section altogether, if you HAVE
 to have something, link to the main page for Java).

 [0] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
 Couldn't agree more Jared.  Repeating the same information over and over in 
 different places is not helpful.  Users who aren't quite sure what their 
 problem is end up 'not seeing the wood for the trees.'  This is the sort of 
 thing a decent index is helps with.
to me, this begs the question of why we have a FAQ at all. there's no
reason there shouldn't be an LXDE-specific section to the general
Ubuntu wiki as it is relevant to LXDE. how many people have you come
across that run LXDE in Ubuntu rather than doing Lubuntu? it's often a
gateway to officially making the switch.

my problem with the main wiki is that it is often so GNOME-centric,
it's not always apparent whether or not something is truly applicable to
Lubuntu. so if we updated it for Lubuntu, there would be ONE place to go.

always the revolutionary,
wxl/walter

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Sun/Oracle Java

[amjjawad HOOHAA]

I do agree with all what have been said/written.

With all the honesty in the world, I don't like the Wiki Pages.
Why?

1- I've been told it MUST be the main source of our information while there
are LOTS of missing information already, NOT to mention it is not organized
nor up to date.

2- One can't find what he/she is looking for easily.

3- The whole structure is bad IMHO.

4- When I tried to contribute to the Wiki Area, I have heard NOTHING but
bad negative and rude attitude so I decided NOT to touch it any more and
take care of Ubuntu Forum as that is where I belong.

5- There is NO dedicated team to maintain our Wiki

Perhaps these are the main reasons.

Again, to be honest, I have another thoughts and different approaches and
I'm having hard time to explain myself over and over again. Thus, I have
decided weeks ago to remain silent and do my job quietly.
I'm doing well on the forum and I'll keep it up, period.
I have so much plans to help Lubuntu Users on the Froum. Writing guides and
more.

I couldn't remain silent anymore.

I can't deny I do have my own style that is different big time than
everyone's style in this team but since this is a Team Work more than
anything else, I'm trying my best to learn more about this team, even more
than learning about Lubuntu which I breath daily.

I'm here as always and ready to help and take our Wiki to the next step but
WE do need to talk and discuss, period.

:)

Excuse my approach, I just couldn't resist.





On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 2:56 AM, ∅ maps.backw...@gmail.com wrote:


 On 12/04/2011 02:26 PM, Yorvyk wrote:
  On Mon, 5 Dec 2011 07:43:15 +1000
  Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote:
  On 5 December 2011 06:17, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:
  So, again, please double check this:
 
 http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html
  and if necessary, update this:
 
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Some_Java_applications_don.27t_work.2C_I_want_proprietary_Oracle_Java
  This is the very big problem I see with having a separate FAQ to the
  main information on the wiki. Unless it's specific to Lubuntu I really
  don't see why it should exist on our FAQ area at all. All this does is
  duplicate information AND reduce the number of people working on a
  topic. This is a perfect example because the proper Java page [0] was
  updated a while ago to reflect the changes.
 
  So my opinion is, unless it's specific to Lubuntu we should contribute
  and rely on the community documentation for *Ubuntu instead of trying
  to carve out our own little niche that will easily be out of date and
  hard to maintain with fewer resources. (To answer your question my
  suggestion would be to remove the java section altogether, if you HAVE
  to have something, link to the main page for Java).
 
  [0] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
  Couldn't agree more Jared.  Repeating the same information over and over
 in different places is not helpful.  Users who aren't quite sure what their
 problem is end up 'not seeing the wood for the trees.'  This is the sort of
 thing a decent index is helps with.
 to me, this begs the question of why we have a FAQ at all. there's no
 reason there shouldn't be an LXDE-specific section to the general
 Ubuntu wiki as it is relevant to LXDE. how many people have you come
 across that run LXDE in Ubuntu rather than doing Lubuntu? it's often a
 gateway to officially making the switch.

 my problem with the main wiki is that it is often so GNOME-centric,
 it's not always apparent whether or not something is truly applicable to
 Lubuntu. so if we updated it for Lubuntu, there would be ONE place to go.

 always the revolutionary,
 wxl/walter

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Sun/Oracle Java

[Benny Hult]

On Mon, 5 Dec 2011 00:17:32 +0400
amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi there,
 
 I don't use it nor need it :)
 Someone already posted on my thread that Lubuntu FAQs (Wiki) need to
 be updated according to the link I mentioned (
 http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html)
 Since I have never used JAVA on Linux, I'm asking those who are using
 it to check whether we need to update our Wiki or not?
 
 So, again, please double check this:
 http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html
 
 and if necessary, update this:
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Some_Java_applications_don.27t_work.2C_I_want_proprietary_Oracle_Java
 
 I didn't update the Wiki because I'm not sure because I don't use
 Java :)
 
 Thanks :)
 
 
 
 On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Andrew Woodhead 
 andrew.woodhead...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
  On 4 December 2011 19:11, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Hello,
 
  As per this:
 
  http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html
 
  The below is no longer valid:
 
  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Some_Java_applications_don.27t_work.2C_I_want_proprietary_Oracle_Java
  .
 
  Is that true?
  I didn't want to change it myself unless someone confirms that.
 
  Thank you!
 
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  If you want sun java use:
 
  cd
  wget
  http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7/jdk-7-linux-i586.tar.gz
  sudo apt-get -y install unp unp ./jdk-7-linux-i586.tar.gz
  rm ./jdk-7-linux-i586.tar.gz
  sudo mkdir /usr/lib/jvm
  cd /usr/lib/jvm
  sudo mv ./jdk1.7.0 .
  tar zxvf ./jdk-7-linux-i586.tar.gz
  rm ./jre-7u1-linux-i586.tar.gz
  sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java
  /usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0/bin/java 71
  sudo update-alternatives --config java
  cd /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins
  sudo ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so .
 
  Works here
 
 
 
 

There you go, I fixed that problem on faq.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Sun/Oracle Java

[Benny Hult]

On Sun, 4 Dec 2011 22:26:27 +
Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:

 On Mon, 5 Dec 2011 07:43:15 +1000
 Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On 5 December 2011 06:17, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com
  wrote:
   Hi there,
  
   I don't use it nor need it :)
   Someone already posted on my thread that Lubuntu FAQs (Wiki) need
   to be updated according to the link I mentioned
   (http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html)
   Since I have never used JAVA on Linux, I'm asking those who are
   using it to check whether we need to update our Wiki or not?
  
   So, again, please double check this:
   http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html
  
   and if necessary, update this:
   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Some_Java_applications_don.27t_work.2C_I_want_proprietary_Oracle_Java
  
   I didn't update the Wiki because I'm not sure because I don't use
   Java :)
  
   Thanks :)
  
  
  
  This is the very big problem I see with having a separate FAQ to the
  main information on the wiki. Unless it's specific to Lubuntu I
  really don't see why it should exist on our FAQ area at all. All
  this does is duplicate information AND reduce the number of people
  working on a topic. This is a perfect example because the proper
  Java page [0] was updated a while ago to reflect the changes.
  
  So my opinion is, unless it's specific to Lubuntu we should
  contribute and rely on the community documentation for *Ubuntu
  instead of trying to carve out our own little niche that will
  easily be out of date and hard to maintain with fewer resources.
  (To answer your question my suggestion would be to remove the java
  section altogether, if you HAVE to have something, link to the main
  page for Java).
  
  [0] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
  
 Couldn't agree more Jared.  Repeating the same information over and
 over in different places is not helpful.  Users who aren't quite sure
 what their problem is end up 'not seeing the wood for the trees.'
 This is the sort of thing a decent index is helps with.
 
 

FAQ is still targeted for IRC users.
People come and asks for the same question time after time. That's why
I created it. But if you feel there's no point in it, I wish you will
completely remove it from the wiki area, as you
mailing-list besserwissers seems to have a better solution for this.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Sun/Oracle Java

[Jared Norris]

On 5 December 2011 15:11, Benny Hult hul...@gmail.com wrote:
 FAQ is still targeted for IRC users.
 People come and asks for the same question time after time. That's why
 I created it. But if you feel there's no point in it, I wish you will
 completely remove it from the wiki area, as you
 mailing-list besserwissers seems to have a better solution for this.

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Benny,

I'm sorry for the confusion here, I think the FAQ is great. The only
thing is I think it should be for Lubuntu specific issues. Other
issues already have pages set up for them so maybe include them but
just as a link? People might be getting the wrong idea here though,
the issue wasn't that it existed, but when it was basically a rewrite
of something that already existed maybe a link would be better for
that topic. That being said a lot of things on that page are Lubuntu
specific (getting things to start on login, etc) and therefore that is
the perfect spot for them.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Sun/Oracle Java

[mohi]

 Hi Benny,


 FAQ is still targeted for IRC users.
 People come and asks for the same question time after time. That's why
 I created it. But if you feel there's no point in it, I wish you will
 completely remove it from the wiki area, as you
 mailing-list besserwissers seems to have a better solution for this.


 I believe FAQs reduce our works in explaing the simple issues often and I
support in maintaining a FAQ page in our site. If people has some time to
write tutorials ( Provided in wiki.ubuntu.com or lubuntu.net and not
blogs), then we can have a tutorials column too.

Gilir,

We should nominate a person for maintaining the FAQ pages. If Benny or
Yorvyk has time, we can put them in(I know Jered has no time to look in to
this). I am adding this as an item in the agenda for the next meeting.


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